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Speaker 1: Jumb mission with Jones and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: Talking about parental guidance on the Telly last night.

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Speaker 3: And you were kind of triggered by the show, as

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Speaker 3: my wife was, because I think that our kids are

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Speaker 3: a lot older now, so we missed the boat. You know,

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Speaker 3: you can't retrospectively parent.

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Speaker 1: But it's hard. Parenting is hard enough without being judged

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Speaker 1: for it. You just you you pretty much. You do

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Speaker 1: your best. And I've seen, you know, some of my

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Speaker 1: friends were all of an age now where our kids

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Speaker 1: don't need us anymore, and that's heartbreaking really, So we said,

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Speaker 1: we wish in a way when we look back at

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Speaker 1: those early years it would be more so that it's heartbreaking.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 3: I like the fact. I like when the kids get older.

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Speaker 3: Like my son, for example, went and bought a car

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Speaker 3: and he rang me, I'm going to buy this car.

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Speaker 3: I said, oh, great, and I said, you're going to

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Speaker 3: look at it and no, it's done.

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Speaker 2: I bought it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, And then he went and got it repaired recently.

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Speaker 3: And you know what I'm like with mechanics, and I said,

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Speaker 3: where'd you take it?

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Speaker 2: How I do it? This guy? Do you rip you off?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: So he's doing it himself.

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Speaker 1: How that made you feel?

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Speaker 2: It made me feel great, Well you should. I thought

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Speaker 2: he's doing it himself.

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Speaker 1: You know, you'll a twinge.

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Speaker 3: No, not really, because he's almost twenty nine. So if

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Speaker 3: i'm you know, And that's because all the categories of

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Speaker 3: parents here. You've got strict you've got nature, you've got attachment,

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Speaker 3: you've got a helicopter.

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Speaker 2: I think your routine and what's that. You're a routine parent.

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Speaker 2: The routine is locked in stone. You're very affectionate, loving

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Speaker 2: with your kids. They're a close family.

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Speaker 3: The boys are on the screen quite a bit are

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Speaker 3: They live in a modern house and the boys have

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Speaker 3: their own rooms which are immaculate.

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Speaker 1: Well, you can't all be right. You know what I

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Speaker 1: think you are. You're part tiger, which might surprise you

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Speaker 1: to hear, because I think you think that your kids

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Speaker 1: raise themselves. You've said that a little bit, a.

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Speaker 2: Middle aged Asian woman that makes them play violin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's tough honesty. You use tough honesty to

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Speaker 1: get the kids to strive for their approval and have

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Speaker 1: a family culture of the team rather than the individual.

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Speaker 1: I think you You've always said, this is my house,

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Speaker 1: these are my rules, this is.

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Speaker 2: My room, but don't necessarily say no. But you're a

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Speaker 2: very easy I was from that era.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, and your kids live a very they

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Speaker 1: live a great life. But there is tough honesty, which

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Speaker 1: isn't a bad thing. I think it's a good thing.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like a bad thing.

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Speaker 1: No, well it's not.

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Speaker 2: You made me sound like Logan roy in succession.

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Speaker 1: No, not at all.

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Speaker 2: There's some unpegging to do.

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Speaker 1: With you, which is why we shouldn't judge each other,

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Speaker 1: because really just getting through it. And as I was

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Speaker 1: saying before, we're also my friends, and I were saying,

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Speaker 1: I wish we'd been more present, but when you're in

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Speaker 1: the midst of it, you can't be. You're striving to

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Speaker 1: keep them alive. I saw a thing the other day

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Speaker 1: that said, I wish someone could tell me that these

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Speaker 1: that they were the good old days when I was

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Speaker 1: in them. And this woman said that she relates entirely.

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Speaker 1: She was tired, she three children, She said, get to bed,

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Speaker 1: I'm tired. I'm tired, pushes them all into bed, and

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Speaker 1: then she's on a phone till eleven, looking at photos

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Speaker 1: of them and wishing she'd been kinder. That's what it

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Speaker 1: is to parent And it's only now we're older we

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Speaker 1: can look back and see and see the job we've done,

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Speaker 1: good bad and ugly. Same with the way we were parented,

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Speaker 1: Good bad and ugly. And you just get through, You

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Speaker 1: muddle through.

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Speaker 2: Jonesy and Amanda's donation