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Speaker 1: This is jem Nation with Jonesy, Claire Stevens from Mom

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Speaker 1: and Me as canceled podcast is Joinys.

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Speaker 2: It's great to see you again.

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Speaker 3: Hello. I would like it on the record. I do

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Speaker 3: not like nickel Bag.

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Speaker 1: You love nickel You were rocking out, I was not

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Speaker 1: What's with Girls? And you and a Manda were both

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Speaker 1: making this screwed up face while that.

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Speaker 2: Nickelback song was playing. What's with Girls?

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Speaker 4: And Nickelback I don't particularly mind them, but they are

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Speaker 4: a certain type of band from a certain type of era,

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Speaker 4: and that's your era brand.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think Jonesy is their core demographic and that

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Speaker 3: is amazing for you.

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Speaker 1: But for me, I was ground level at Nickelback.

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Speaker 2: I'm old enough.

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Speaker 1: I was working at a rock station at the time

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Speaker 1: and Nickelback were everywhere, and I met Chad Krogery, I

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Speaker 1: hung with Brandon.

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Speaker 4: This is the worst bot.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to think I was the reason for their success.

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Speaker 4: In Astra, it just doesn't surprise.

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Speaker 2: Ground Level writes that down we will.

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Speaker 4: Move on from Nickelback. What if you don't mind what

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Speaker 4: tickled your fancy this week?

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Speaker 3: Clear, I really want to talk to you both about

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Speaker 3: a TikTok that's gone viral, and I know TikTok can

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Speaker 3: be confusing. Okay, it's not in the same realm as Nickelback.

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Speaker 3: They did not overlap on a Vann diagram. But last

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Speaker 3: month a video filmed in a Melbourne food court was

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Speaker 3: uploaded and in it, a young man walks up to

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Speaker 3: an older woman who's minding her own business and she's

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Speaker 3: having a cup of coffee and he asks her to

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Speaker 3: hold a bunch of flowers for him. Then he goes

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Speaker 3: through his backpack, pulls out his jacket and she goes

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Speaker 3: to give them back, and he's kind of like, no,

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Speaker 3: have a lovely day there for you.

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Speaker 1: We spoke about this last week, he said, he said, oh,

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Speaker 1: can you hold these flowers?

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Speaker 2: And she says, oh, who are they for?

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Speaker 1: And he goes, oh, they're for someone special and she goes, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's nice, and then he puts his jacket and buggers off,

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Speaker 1: and then where everyone goes, oh, what a hero.

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Speaker 3: What a hero, And it's got this Sam Smith song

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Speaker 3: playing over the top. So it's just creating this moment

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Speaker 3: out of what we have now discovered was not a moment.

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Speaker 3: So she spoke to ABC and said, like, no, this

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Speaker 3: was not This was not anything for me. She was

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Speaker 3: having quiet time, she said. He interrupted it, He filmed

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Speaker 3: and uploaded video without my consent, turned it into something

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Speaker 3: it wasn't. It made it look like she was crying.

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Speaker 3: She wasn't crying. She just was shocked because she now

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Speaker 3: had to take Flowers home on the on the train

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Speaker 3: and didn't want to.

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Speaker 4: As she said, it plays into that trope that she's

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Speaker 4: a lonely old lady and he's made her day. She said,

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Speaker 4: that could not be further than the truth that I'm

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Speaker 4: not a lonely old lady. Don't paint me like that.

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Speaker 3: It makes you think that. I feel like women are

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Speaker 3: conspicuous or public. We feel public enough in just being

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Speaker 3: in public that people are gonna come up to us

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Speaker 3: and say something, or you know, the scarier things that

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Speaker 3: they're gonna hurt you or anything like that. How feel that, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: like when you're in public, you feel sometimes you feel

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Speaker 3: looked at, you feel and I just felt for this

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Speaker 3: woman that she is sitting there having a quiet and

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Speaker 3: that what that does I reckon to her sense of

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Speaker 3: autonomy and privacy. It's it's bizarre to thing. So this

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Speaker 3: TikTok got over sixty million views that he didn't have

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Speaker 3: to get her consent, whereas if you guys would know

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Speaker 3: from TV, if you're putting somebody on TV, you've got

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Speaker 3: to get them to sign something.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: It's very filming them from the waist the waist down.

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Speaker 1: So when a current affair has those big Fatso stories

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Speaker 1: and then they just go into the.

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Speaker 2: Street to get file footage of big.

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Speaker 3: Fatso, we'ch just screwed up in a different way.

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Speaker 1: Well, as long as you don't see the head exactly,

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Speaker 1: but then you could be seeing at home and get

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Speaker 1: a honey, isn't that your gut?

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Speaker 2: On the telly?

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Speaker 3: People would recognize.

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Speaker 4: They would recognize themselves. But this is the new thing,

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Speaker 4: isn't It's people thinking they look great by doing a

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Speaker 4: good turn, but it's all about them boasting.

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Speaker 3: It's this really interesting kind of turn of ethics where

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Speaker 3: I think platforms like TikTok have totally ruined any kind

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Speaker 3: of ideas of virtues that we had. So one is

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Speaker 3: you grow up, at least I grew up thinking you

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Speaker 3: do acts of kindness not for clout, not so that

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Speaker 3: people see and then compliment you, but because then you

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Speaker 3: know you've done a good thing. And that's good enough.

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Speaker 3: And this is so disturbing. And it's interesting because when

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Speaker 3: you spend these young people, this guy was twenty two.

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Speaker 3: When you spend enough time on a platform like TikTok,

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Speaker 3: you start to think in TikTok, and so he would

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Speaker 3: be thinking, if I'm going to do something nice, it's

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Speaker 3: got to be it's got to be on TikTok or

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Speaker 3: what's the point.

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Speaker 4: Everything is content, Everything is content, but this is content

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Speaker 4: that they would think is great because it makes them

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Speaker 4: look charitable. That's whether you're paying the bills for someone,

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Speaker 4: whether you're handing a person on the street twenty bucks.

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Speaker 4: You think you look good, but you think you're doing

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Speaker 4: a good term. But it's all about look at me,

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Speaker 4: look at me.

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Speaker 2: It feels creepy. It's narcissistic, that's what it is.

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Speaker 3: It is, and there are so many people who do this,

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Speaker 3: like influences, and as soon as I see it, I cringe.

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Speaker 3: But you go to the comments and it's just thousands

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Speaker 3: of comments being like you're so inspiring, this is amazing,

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Speaker 3: Whereas I don't believe for a second that anyone watched

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Speaker 3: that video and then thought I'll go out and do

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Speaker 3: a good thing today. Nobody thought that they would have

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Speaker 3: liked it and moved on.

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Speaker 1: I said, it's just a puff. I do good all

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Speaker 1: the time in the community. I don't film it, but

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm helping people with spare tires. I'm helping

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Speaker 1: old ladies with their groceries. I hope someone films me sometime.

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Speaker 1: Why isn't someone filming me?

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Speaker 3: Actually, that would be better if somebody was filming you

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Speaker 3: and you didn't know A front page Jones is structed kind.

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Speaker 1: Not only did he start nickelback, did he break the country,

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Speaker 1: but also he's helping out old ladies.

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Speaker 4: And then we cut to the wide shot we see

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Speaker 4: your daughter being forced to film.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, nickel Back to Claire. It's always a treat

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Speaker 1: catch up with Claire on the Mum and mea canceled

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Speaker 1: podcast with her talented sister Jesse.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Jesse made me say that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we'll.

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Speaker 2: Talk to you next week.

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Speaker 3: Yes. By