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Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by Workplace Law. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Female Athlete Project. My name is Chloe Dalton.

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Speaker 1: I'm an Olympic gold medalist in rugby sevens and I

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Speaker 1: play AFLW for the GWS Giants. In twenty twenty, I

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Speaker 1: founded the Female Athlete Project with the goal of increasing

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Speaker 1: the visibility of women in sport. Earlier this year I

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Speaker 1: had the chance to sit down and chat to one

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Speaker 1: of Australia's greatest athletes, cricketer Elisa Heay. Some of her

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Speaker 1: career highlights to date include being named the ICC T

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Speaker 1: twenty International Cricketer of the Year twice, knocking a casual

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Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy runs in a World Cup final

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Speaker 1: in New Zealand in twenty twenty two, and who could

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Speaker 1: forget the time she smashed seventy five runs off thirty

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Speaker 1: nine balls in front of eighty six thousand fans at

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Speaker 1: the MCG. Since this inter you, Alisa has won a

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Speaker 1: Commonwealth Games gold medal and has also been named the

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Speaker 1: captain of the Australian women's cricket team. She shares some

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Speaker 1: incredible gold nuggets of wisdom in this interview, in particular

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Speaker 1: around patience, perseverance, playing without fear, and of course, how

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Speaker 1: to dance on stage with Katie Perry after winning the

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Speaker 1: World Cup. I really hope you enjoyed this one, Alisa Healy,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Female Athlete Project.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. I feel very honored to be here.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you. It's been a long time coming, but

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Speaker 1: I'm glad we have shared to sit down and chat today.

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Speaker 2: It has been a little while, but he finally cornered

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Speaker 2: me enough to get me here to do an episode.

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Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to.

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Speaker 1: To kick yourself. Can you tell us what you're like

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Speaker 1: as a little kid.

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Speaker 2: He's straight into it. I don't know how to explain myself.

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Speaker 2: I mean, my nickname is Midge and my mum used

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Speaker 2: to call me Pudd, So if that kind of gives

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Speaker 2: you some sort of insight as to what I used

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Speaker 2: to look like, I haven't changed much. But yeah, it

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Speaker 2: was just this little blonde with a bob cut that

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Speaker 2: quite literally loves everything that wasn't inside. So I was

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Speaker 2: outside all the time, playing lots of different sports and

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Speaker 2: experiencing the world. So yeah, that was sort of who

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Speaker 2: I am, and my parents would probably say I was

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Speaker 2: a little shit and I was a little cheeky, but

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Speaker 2: nothing much has changed there.

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Speaker 1: Did Midge come from family?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was one of those nicknames that your dad

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Speaker 2: gave you when you were a whipper sniffer, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: it just fell into sport. I think when I was

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Speaker 2: in under tens or something soccer, there was two well

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Speaker 2: there was me and Lisa, and then there was an

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Speaker 2: Alyssa and like two aleshas and the coach was like

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Speaker 2: the coach was like pulling his hair out, and it's like,

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Speaker 2: is there something that something else that you call her?

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Speaker 2: And Dad was like, oh, I call her Midge. And

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Speaker 2: then I ended up playing multiple sports with a lot

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Speaker 2: of the different girls in that group, and Midge sort

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Speaker 2: of stuck. And it's pretty rare to be called a Lisa.

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Speaker 2: So what I'm for nailing it?

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Speaker 1: What sports did you first play as a kid.

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Speaker 2: I loved soccer. That was sort of the first, I think,

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Speaker 2: the first sport that I really played, and I really

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Speaker 2: not played properly, but it's probably the first sport I learned.

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Speaker 2: I mean, everyone naturally assumes that cricket would have been it,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, I loved playing soccer and it wasn't until

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Speaker 2: we moved down to Sydney when I was seven that

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Speaker 2: I started playing lots of different other sports for school,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, soccer was my jam. I used to love

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Speaker 2: it playing every weekend and during the week when I

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Speaker 2: was a little one, but ended up giving that away

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Speaker 2: to play hockey. So it was yeah, I sort of

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Speaker 2: just played every sport, and I more often than not

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Speaker 2: a team sport. But yeah, I just loved being outside.

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Speaker 1: I play with a number of people at Giants who've

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Speaker 1: crossed pars with you through hockey. Was that ever going

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Speaker 2: I would have loved to love to be able to

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Speaker 2: do that. I mean people often asked me if you

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Speaker 2: know I wasn't playing cricket for show what I've loved

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Speaker 2: to do, And I always said I would love to

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Speaker 2: and play hockey for Australia, but me being lazy and

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Speaker 2: a cricketing career got in the way. But I loved

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Speaker 2: She came from a hockey family and said, why don't

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Speaker 2: you give this sport to go I think you really

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Speaker 2: like it. I think you'd suit it, absolutely loved it,

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Speaker 1: So for people who don't know a lot about cricket,

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Speaker 1: and you probably get very sick of explaining this one,

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Speaker 1: but the royalty within your own family, can you give

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think having the last name Heally. And

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Speaker 2: for those that don't know cricket, my uncle Iane played

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Speaker 2: other brother Ken have all played for Queensland at some

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Speaker 2: definitely in the Heally blood. I'm the only female to

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Speaker 2: And yeah, it being the only girl sort of made

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Speaker 1: I'm interested in this description of you being lazy and

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Speaker 1: end of the I'm playing cricket. Is that something that

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Speaker 1: we'll get a bit more into your career, But is

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Speaker 1: that something that has changed, Like, I don't think you

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Speaker 2: No, I think lazy is probably the wrong the wrong term.

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Speaker 2: I probably speak harshly upon myself there, but no, I

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Speaker 2: just to be completely honest with you, I've just never

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Speaker 2: and do a running session, but I don't want to

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Speaker 2: do it right. So that was probably holding me back

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Speaker 2: more more than anything else. But I mean, you put

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Speaker 2: no thank you. And being a fairly aerobic sport that

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Speaker 2: doing what I was doing. But yeah, lazy is probably

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Speaker 2: the wrong way to put it. I mean, I think

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Speaker 2: I work really, really hard at what I do to

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Speaker 1: I really ate. We have a lot of people who

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Speaker 1: listen some athletes, but a lot maybe just go for

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Speaker 1: their I don't know, weekly run or whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: How do you get yourself going, especially in this weather

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Speaker 1: it's a bit rough. How do you end up forcing

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Speaker 2: That's why I play a team sport. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: that's why I set up before. I don't think I

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Speaker 2: And I've got full respect for all the international athletes

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Speaker 2: I think it's unbelievably demanding and to be able to

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Speaker 2: When the days are a bit stinky, you don't want

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Speaker 1: Do you remember your first ever game of cricket?

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Speaker 2: Kind of yeah, I do. Do you want me to

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Speaker 2: explain it? I do. I remember learning the game playing.

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Speaker 2: It was called Kanga Cricket back then. Well it's like,

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Speaker 2: So I remember learning the game and I absolutely hated it,

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Speaker 2: But then I remember my first ever game. I was

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Speaker 2: It was pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: And then how long did it take you to kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny, I asked, And I get asked that

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Speaker 2: was saying to you before, like I played lots of

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Speaker 2: And then it probably wasn't until I played for Australia

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Speaker 2: holy shit, like this is a pretty cool thing and yeah,

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Speaker 2: enjoy it, but you know, here I am like, what's

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Speaker 2: next sort of thing?

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Speaker 1: How old were you when you got your first cap?

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Speaker 2: I think I was. I just turned twenty. I was

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Speaker 1: And do you remember that game pretty clearly?

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Speaker 2: I remember the one day, the ODI part of that series.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember quite so much. But I remember the

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Speaker 2: environment where you know, people were really good at what

438
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Speaker 2: they did, but we never really you know, challenged ourselves

439
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Speaker 2: to be better and we were sort of just like

440
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Speaker 2: kept plotting along knowing that we were better than everybody

441
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Speaker 2: else and we're able to win doing that. So for

442
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Speaker 2: me who sort of thought about it like that, and

443
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Speaker 2: it's a high risk way of playing right, So it's

444
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Speaker 2: going to come off every now and then, but the

445
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 2: in betweens are going to look so good you're going

446
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Speaker 2: to get slammed for sort of throwing your wicket away

447
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Speaker 2: or you know, being really foolish out there. I mean,

448
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Speaker 2: I look at the England men's Test team right now.

449
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Speaker 2: Ben Stokes is sort of going through that at the moment.

450
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Speaker 2: He's trying to revolutionize the way they play, but in

451
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Speaker 2: doing that he's going to look a little silly with

452
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Speaker 2: the way that he plays, whereas Johnny Best. So it's

453
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Speaker 2: coming off completely. So that was sort of me in

454
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Speaker 2: that moment, and I think the Moody and Meg to

455
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Speaker 2: sit there and say that's okay, where we're okay with

456
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Speaker 2: you failing and we'll back you to find a balance

457
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Speaker 2: to hone that balance in being ultra destructive but also

458
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Speaker 2: being there for long periods of time which was kind

459
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Speaker 2: of just the clarity that I needed, I think as

460
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Speaker 2: an athlete, and I was probably old enough to understand

461
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Speaker 2: the responsibility as well and probably see it as a

462
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Speaker 2: really exciting challenge to just go out there and do it, which, yeah,

463
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Speaker 2: which was super cool.

464
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Speaker 1: Is it experience that helps you find the right balance.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think so and experience, And I think

466
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Speaker 2: what I've learned in time is preparation more than anything else.

467
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Speaker 2: I think for me to feel like I'm ready to go,

468
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Speaker 2: I feel like I need to be completely prepared up

469
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Speaker 2: top for anything that could potentially be thrown at me.

470
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Speaker 2: And that's so stupid, Like our game is you can

471
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Speaker 2: only can control what you can control, and that's like

472
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Speaker 2: how I hit each delivery pretty much, because you don't

473
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Speaker 2: know what the ball is going to do, you don't

474
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Speaker 2: know what the wick it's going to do, you don't

475
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Speaker 2: know what the fielders are going to do. So but

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Speaker 2: for me, it's like being prepared mentally to so I

477
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Speaker 2: guess be ready for anything that might be thrown at me,

478
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Speaker 2: any sort of challenge that might come in the day,

479
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Speaker 2: and know that I've got an out so yes, experience,

480
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Speaker 2: but also sort of some sort of mental preparation to

481
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Speaker 2: get me there.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense. What does your mental prep look like?

483
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Speaker 2: It's literally just thinking through what possible scenarios could be

484
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Speaker 2: in play. I mean, for us, we get to look

485
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Speaker 2: at the grounds before we play them, whether that's one, two,

486
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Speaker 2: three days before we get to train there. We get

487
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Speaker 2: to look at the wicket, look what it potentially might

488
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Speaker 2: be like. And I obviously know you know a couple

489
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Speaker 2: of days out what sort of attack I'm going to face,

490
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Speaker 2: And for me, it's just preparing for that knowing who

491
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Speaker 2: their biggest threats are to me. Knowing that's knowing your

492
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Speaker 2: weaknesses and knowing exactly what they're going to exploit. And

493
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Speaker 2: for me, it's just counteracting that and saying, Okay, this

494
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Speaker 2: is where I know that they're going to try and

495
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Speaker 2: get me out, So how can I flip that and

496
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Speaker 2: use it to my advantage and score heavily through that

497
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Speaker 2: zone or whatever it might be. So that's how I

498
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Speaker 2: mentally prepare. Now, you might show up on game day

499
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Speaker 2: and they've got a completely different idea about things, But

500
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Speaker 2: for me, I feel like I've thought through all of

501
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Speaker 2: that so I can just adapt and hit the ball.

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Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by Workplace Law. We

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Speaker 1: wanted to say a massive thank you to Workplace Law

504
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Speaker 1: not only for their support of the Female Athlete Project

505
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, but also the incredible work that

506
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Speaker 1: they do in the women's sports space overall. Some of

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Speaker 1: the teams and clubs that they've supported this year include

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Speaker 1: the Sydney Roosters all the way from Junior's Pathways into

509
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Speaker 1: the NRLW. In rugby, the Baroney Women's Rugby club. They're

510
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Speaker 1: the inaugural Platinum sponsor of this club. In basketball, the

511
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Speaker 1: Sydney Flames WNBL team, as well as the Sydney Kings

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Speaker 1: female assistant coach Loo McIntyre. In Aussie Rules, the Inner

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Speaker 1: West Magpies team and in football Sydney FC. So a

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Speaker 1: massive shout out and a big thank you the Workplace

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Speaker 1: Law or all of your incredible support of women's sport

516
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Speaker 1: and the Female Athlete Project. I chatted to your mate

517
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Speaker 1: Pez on the podcast last season and I'm so interested

518
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Speaker 1: in cricket the idea that like you've got to be

519
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Speaker 1: really good because if you make a mistake, you're done right.

520
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Speaker 1: Like if so many other sports, you have multiple opportunities.

521
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Speaker 1: If you make a mistake, you have an opportunity to

522
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Speaker 1: rectify it. Yep, what's your headspace like if you're having

523
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Speaker 1: one of those runs where it's not going well for you, did.

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Speaker 2: You ask pezet question? Because she's probably the best at

525
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Speaker 2: it not happening to her, if that makes sense, she

526
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Speaker 2: very really makes a mistake.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the vibe I get. But she loved I

528
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Speaker 1: think her answer is that she loved the opportunity to

529
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Speaker 1: work out what she did wrong and then go to

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Speaker 1: the nets and fix it.

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Speaker 2: Just do for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: For me, it's like trying to find that feeling when

534
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Speaker 2: things aren't going well. It's trying to find the feeling

535
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Speaker 2: away from the game that things are really close to

536
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Speaker 2: coming off. I mean, like I said, you can't control everything.

537
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Speaker 2: I mean, you can get absolute rip, snort a first

538
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Speaker 2: ball and sit on pine the rest of the day

539
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Speaker 2: like it's Cricket is such a cool cruel sport in

540
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Speaker 2: that regard. But for me, if I know that things

541
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Speaker 2: are clicking, I'm not far off. And it's sometimes just

542
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Speaker 2: about decision making or a little bit of luck. I

543
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 2: talk about luck quite a lot. Sometimes you just need

544
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Speaker 2: a little bit of luck to get to get you

545
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Speaker 2: over the line. So, I mean, I reflect on leading

546
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Speaker 2: into the T twenty World Cup in Australia and we

547
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Speaker 2: played a try series against England and India.

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it was them. It's about right, yeah,

550
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Speaker 2: And I think I'd had like ten games of T

551
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Speaker 2: twenty creet with scores under fifteen or something, and I

552
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: was getting absolutely roasted in the media, which I loved

553
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: because how cool that they cared about our team so

554
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: much that I should get dropped because they wanted us

555
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Speaker 2: to win the T twenty World Cup. But for me,

556
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Speaker 2: something clicked. I think it was like three games out,

557
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Speaker 2: something clicked for me in the nets, and I knew

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Speaker 2: that I wasn't far off. Something was coming good. I

559
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Speaker 2: just had to hang in there and get a little

560
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Speaker 2: bit of luck lo and behold the first game of

561
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Speaker 2: the twenty World Cup. I'm almost positive I smashed the

562
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Speaker 2: ball to the wiki keeper in that first game, but

563
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Speaker 2: it was so loud no one heard it, and it

564
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 2: was like just game on, right, and there's your luck,

565
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Speaker 2: but only because you worked really hard off the field

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Speaker 2: to get in the right space to sort of earn

567
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 2: that luck. But that was for me, and then I

568
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Speaker 2: had a really good world Cup and everyone to shut

569
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Speaker 2: the hell up. So it's just about finding that balance

570
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Speaker 2: of Okay, I'm feeling really good, really positive about my game,

571
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Speaker 2: and if if it's me that's making that bad decision,

572
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 2: then I can fix that. But if it's an external thing,

573
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Speaker 2: like I'm getting a really good delivery or whatever it

574
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Speaker 2: might be to get me out, then so be it.

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Speaker 1: Roll onto the next game. I want to get to

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Speaker 1: that World Cup. I feel like you're gonna have to

577
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Speaker 1: talk about that eighty six thousand for the rest of

578
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Speaker 1: your life again. With that, yeah, okay, But being part

579
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Speaker 1: of that new South Wales team and the Australian team

580
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Speaker 1: as well, cricket's kind of been at the forefront of

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Speaker 1: this professionalism of women's sport. What was that transition like

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Speaker 1: for you from a physical sense, so in being able

583
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Speaker 1: to forward your career as an athlete.

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Speaker 2: Firstly, it's been really cool to be a part of.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like we've got this cool little

586
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Speaker 2: war going on within all the women's sport and it's

587
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: like ultimately lifting all of them up and it's like

588
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Speaker 2: we're first to do this, or we're first to do that,

589
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Speaker 2: or you know, we're going to pay them more money

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Speaker 2: and then someone else is like, oh no, we're going

591
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Speaker 2: to match that. So it's really cool to be a

592
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Speaker 2: part of that competition, which at the end of the

593
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Speaker 2: day I think is going to do wonders for all

594
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Speaker 2: women's sport. But yeah, it's been a really cool. Well

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Speaker 2: I look at my Australian career. It's been I think

596
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Speaker 2: twelve years this year, and it's been a really fast

597
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Speaker 2: transition as well. It's developed really really quickly. Like people

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Speaker 2: think that it's sort of taken its time, and it has,

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Speaker 2: but over those twelve years it's happened really really fast.

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Speaker 2: So I guess from a physical point of view, it's

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Speaker 2: changed dramatically. I mean you look at I look at

602
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Speaker 2: our team now and the athleticism in our group is

603
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Speaker 2: something that I'd never seen before. I mean, we try

604
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Speaker 2: and make a point of being, you know, not the

605
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Speaker 2: fittest team, but the most athletic team, and that means

606
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Speaker 2: fielding better than everybody else. And I think we've we've

607
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Speaker 2: sort of ticked that goal, you know, quite significantly. But

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Speaker 2: I look at that and I go, that's purely because

609
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Speaker 2: people are given time to work at that, you know.

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Speaker 2: In New South Wales, when I first started. We trained

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Speaker 2: I think six to eight pm on a Tuesday and

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Speaker 2: a Thursday night, and then go and play. We used

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Speaker 2: to play Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and I don't know how

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Speaker 2: we did that. We played a T twenty Friday night

615
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Speaker 2: and then two one day games Saturday and Sunday, and

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Speaker 2: all of us now look at that and go, how

617
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Speaker 2: the hell did we do that? Because we're saw after

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Speaker 2: one game. But I think it's because of you know,

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Speaker 2: the physical energy that we're now able to put into

620
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Speaker 2: the game. It makes us a bit tired, and then

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Speaker 2: the next day we're sort of flatt and off we

622
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Speaker 2: go again. But yeah, from that point of view, it's

623
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Speaker 2: changed dramatically. But I think it's only because you know,

624
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Speaker 2: we've been given time, we've been given facilities, we've been

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Speaker 2: giving resourcing to be able to make ourselves as good

626
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Speaker 2: as we can possibly be, you know, and continually to

627
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Speaker 2: strive to be that. But you know, it's done wonders

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Speaker 2: for our sport, and I see, I can see it,

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Speaker 2: you know, beginning to do wonders for other sports as well.

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Speaker 1: What do you think the biggest part of that moving forward?

631
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Speaker 1: Do you think it's the investment piece in women's sport

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Speaker 1: as a whole.

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Speaker 2: I think so. And it's it's one of those chicken

634
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: egg moments, right, So it's like people crying out for like, well,

635
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Speaker 2: we don't want to watch that product. It sucks or

636
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: you know why, you like, whatever it might be. But

637
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, if you're not investing in that product,

638
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: it's not saying that it sucks, but it's not going

639
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: to be as good as what it possibly could be.

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Speaker 2: But you've got to invest in it first. If you

641
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 2: invest in it and the product's good, then you get

642
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: a return on your investment. But someone has to start

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Speaker 2: the investment. And I think that's where we've traditionally lacked,

644
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Speaker 2: that sort of someone to pull the trigger and go, no, actually,

645
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: I'm going to put time, I'm going to put money,

646
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to put resourcing into this program, whatever it

647
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: might be, whatever sport to make a great product that

648
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: will then, you know, return the investment. And I think

649
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: that's kind of the next step, and it's sort of

650
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Speaker 2: creating valuable relationships, I think. And there's so many sponsors

651
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Speaker 2: out there, so many big companies that want to invest

652
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Speaker 2: in women's sport right now because they see it as

653
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: such a growing market not only for sport but in

654
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: their business as well. You know, we're fifty percent of

655
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: the population. It's an untapped market, so why wouldn't you

656
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: invest in it. So I think we're starting to see

657
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: that shift. It's just now reliant on the organizations to

658
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: do it properly and do it well to make sure

659
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: that you're sort of seeing that return, but still a

660
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: long way to go. I think you can't just throw

661
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: money at the problem. That's one thing that I kind

662
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: of get frustrated with and something that you know, it

663
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 2: might be a little bit controversially, is something that I

664
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: feel really really sorry for some of the AFLW girls

665
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: over the last few years watching You can't just throw

666
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: money at the problem and think it's going to get better.

667
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many young girls out there playing

668
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: that competition live on the telly in front of everybody

669
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: who've hardly played the game of footy. Whereas for us

670
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: at cricket, there was a lot of sort of planning

671
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: into the WBBL which then that was our big showcase

672
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 2: piece that you know, the domestic players at least, you know,

673
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: had some time to adjust and learn the game and

674
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: get some time as a professional athlete to sort of

675
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: then showcase the product, whereas there's a lot of it

676
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 2: just like here have more games, have more money. Here

677
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: you are on the telly go and play, and it's

678
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: like you're kind of just hanging them out to dry.

679
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: So I think that's something that you know, needs to

680
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: be looked at. I think it's great. I think there's

681
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: some amazing things happening, but you know, how do we

682
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: make our products as good as what they possibly can be?

683
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: And I think it's what's going on underneath.

684
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that Pathways piece is a big one.

685
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: I know, like so many of so many players my

686
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: age kind of had that classic like twelve or thirteen

687
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: years old had to stop playing the sport that they

688
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: love because they couldn't play with the boys anymore. And

689
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: I think there's so many different factors that come into it.

690
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: You talk about these girls on TV, they haven't been

691
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: playing for long. A lot of the time they weren't

692
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: given an opportunity in their teenage years to start playing,

693
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: or maybe they could have played, but they had no

694
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: idea it was an opportunity.

695
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, and it's like it's kind of it

696
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: hits it hits a soul a little bit when you're

697
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 2: reading stuff about it, some negativity about it, and I'm

698
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 2: like trying to like shake it and go, well, have

699
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 2: you ever thought about any of that stuff? Like this

700
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 2: young girl might've only been playing for eighteen months, right,

701
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: and she's out there doing her very best, and you're

702
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: sitting there on the couch telling her she's no good. Like.

703
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: I find that one that piece really hard for the

704
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: women's game. I mean, I think the men have had

705
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 2: so much longer than us to be professional and give

706
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 2: it a red hot crack. Yes, sometimes their product is

707
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 2: going to look a lot better, but it's just going

708
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: to take time and it's going to take people that

709
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 2: care to change that narrative. And I think it's started.

710
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 2: I think definitely in cricket that's I can see it happening.

711
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 1: Do you get in a lot of arguments with people

712
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: in social media or do you hold you.

713
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: I've learned over time who to who to sort of

714
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: reply to, and who to leave alone, because there's some

715
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: people in there that you can definitely tell straight off

716
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 2: the bat that they're just in there for a couple

717
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 2: of extra followers just to be controversial. But more often

718
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: than not. I think if you reply, you know, with

719
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: an educated, quite calm or a witty response, more often

720
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 2: than not they come back and apologize because they just

721
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: didn't know, they weren't sure about the information or you know,

722
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: or what was actually going on. So I don't mind it.

723
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: I do love Twitter. I mean it can be a

724
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 2: little soul destroying at times, but I do love it.

725
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: It's it's that's what it's there for, for people to

726
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: get their opinion out there and doesn't really matter if

727
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: their opinion is wrong. It's what they think, and it's

728
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: probably my job to sort of say, well, how about

729
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: we change your opinion just a little bit, you know,

730
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: come and watch us play cricket or whatever it might be,

731
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: or here's my way of thinking about it. So I

732
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: kind of love it in that regard, but it does

733
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 2: get tiresome being told that you suck every day.

734
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: It's a lot.

735
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

736
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: Oh. One of my favorite moments positive moment, well kind of,

737
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,479
Speaker 1: was when it was for the twenty twenty two World

738
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: Cup and they announced it was going to be behind

739
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: the paywall and you paid for twenty people to get

740
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: a cho subscription, and then because it blew up on Twitter,

741
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: they then reversed it and said it's going to be

742
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: available on KO freebies. What do you think is the

743
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: importance of having it on free to air.

744
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: To see accessibility? I mean that that World Cup. I've

745
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: seen the figures come out in the last few weeks,

746
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: that World Cup was the most heavily watched, the most

747
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: viewed on social media, the most interacted with well Cup

748
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 2: ever that we've ever had, and people in Australia could

749
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 2: only view it on KO, which they were getting for

750
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: free because it was on the freebies bit, which is awesome,

751
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: like KYA did a great job to pick it up.

752
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: But I mean, I mean, imagine if that was on

753
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: Channel nine of a weekend where you know, there's not

754
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 2: a whole heap going on and they're watching us play

755
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: England in a World Cup final. I mean, that would

756
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 2: have been so cool. So yeah, the accessibility piece is

757
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: an interesting one. I mean, I look at the netball

758
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: this year, unbelievable product. I've loved it and I've loved

759
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 2: watching it. I go to the games quite regularly. Giants

760
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: go to the Giants. Giants. You know, I wonder the fox,

761
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 2: the fox picking it up, which is so good for

762
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 2: the sport. I wonder what that will do for the

763
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: sport in the long run. You know, it was so

764
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 2: great to have it on Channel nine of an afternoon

765
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: or a weekend. You can just flick over and watch it.

766
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: So look, subscription Telly is the way forward, and I

767
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: guess a lot of people have it now anyway. But yeah,

768
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: I think just the accessibility piece for people to be

769
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: able to switch on and watch it of a weekend

770
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: on free to air is hugely beneficial. But kudos to

771
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: Fox Sports for picking up all the women's sports they

772
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: can because it's great for us.

773
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: The numbers for that one, the World Cup in New

774
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: Zealand one point six four billion total video views across

775
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: the ICC channels, so it's the third most digitally engaged

776
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: ICC event ever behind the Men's Cricket World Cup in

777
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen and the T twenty World Cup in twenty

778
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: twenty one. That's pretty massive exposure.

779
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: It's huge, and I mean and that's without India dominating

780
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: the event, which is probably where a lot of the

781
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: cricketing views are over in India because it's religion over there,

782
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: and that's without them sort of dominating. So it's a

783
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 2: huge thing for us in our game and our sport. Yeah,

784
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: it's kind of just gets frustrating now when people say

785
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: it's not valuable or you know it's not when we're

786
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: not in aging fans. When we know that that's a

787
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: complete line, we are and you can have those statistics

788
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: to prove it. So onwards and upwards.

789
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 1: That's why I love me some stats. Here's proof. Let's

790
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: go twenty twenty, walking out onto the g and Meg

791
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: Glanning wins the toss and you guys elect to bat.

792
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, first things first, never wins a toss, so well,

793
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 2: I don't make wow this crap. She's not good at

794
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: she loses every toss, so.

795
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: Surely you just have to pick one and be consistent

796
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: with it.

797
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know what's happened over the years,

798
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: but we all just always assume that we're going to

799
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: be doing what we don't want to do because Meg's

800
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 2: going to lose.

801
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: So at least it's consistent.

802
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 2: Rache and I pad up a lot. We're probably going

803
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 2: to be batting.

804
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: What are you thinking as you as you're walking out

805
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: ready to go.

806
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 2: Um, don't get out firstball? Yeah, probably crossed my mind

807
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 2: at some point. No, well, first and foremost, I was

808
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: still standing outside the dugout, so I can't remember what

809
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: time the game started. Let's say seven pm. First ball

810
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: was at seven and I'm still standing outside the dugout

811
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 2: in my training kit at six point fifty pm, watching

812
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: Katy Perry to her opening act, and I'm pretty sure

813
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: Pez turned to me and said, shouldn't you go and

814
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: get ready? Shouldn't he go and be padding up? And

815
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 2: I went, nah, I better go. So I ran down

816
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: the race, and quickly it got changed, and so I

817
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: was pretty relaxed, to be honest with you, because I

818
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: just felt like I really wanted to embrace the whole

819
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: day and what it was going to be. So pretty relaxed.

820
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 2: I think, don't get out first ball definitely crossed my

821
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: mind at some point, But I remember Glove punching moons

822
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: on the way out, and I think I think it

823
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: was her. It came out of her mouth. She said,

824
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: how cool is this? Like how amazing is this? And

825
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: I thought I never thought i'd see the day knowing.

826
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: I just saw the screen like five minutes earlier that

827
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 2: there were still people trying to get in outside. There

828
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: were queues outside, you know, for miles. So I just thought,

829
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: how cool is this opportunity. Let's go out, they have

830
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 2: some fun and you know, the rest is history. But

831
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: it was just an amazing moment in sport, and for

832
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: us to be there and be a part of it

833
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: was just it took all the nerves away from the situation.

834
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 2: It was just like, go and have fun and enjoy

835
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: it because put on a good show. Because there's eighty

836
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: six thousand people here that want to see you do well.

837
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. What's your like? Do you get into

838
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: like a flow state with that?

839
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 2: Yeah? I yep. I mean if you watch the way

840
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: that I played cricket, I've always got a smile on

841
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: my face and I'm trying to portray that because it's

842
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: something really cool, Like it's something we're always experiencing, something new,

843
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: is probably what I'm trying to say. And I think

844
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: if you're not enjoying it, then you're kind of you're

845
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: missing the point and you're missing the moment. And I

846
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 2: think that one for us was. I mean that the

847
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: day before I bumped into so many people in the

848
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: middle of Melbourne that I either grew up playing with,

849
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 2: I'd played against my whole life. International players that had

850
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 2: flown across for the game, players that had stayed on

851
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 2: that had you know, been bundled out of the World Cup,

852
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 2: Legends of the game, and I thought that was so cool.

853
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: Like the night before I went down, I had a

854
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: whole bunch of ladies from my golf club, Long Reef

855
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: down the road flying down after the event. So I

856
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: was having dinner with them the night before, and I

857
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 2: went down for a quick beer with you know, Ishigua,

858
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: Mel Jones, Charlotte Edwards was there like all of these

859
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 2: amazing cricketers that just wanted to be a part of

860
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 2: the moment as well, which was cool. So for me,

861
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: I was just like, this is amazing, Like how lucky

862
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: am I that I'm going to be a part of it.

863
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: So that for me was was just a reminder to

864
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 2: go out there and enjoy it and play with a

865
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: smile on your face, because even if you do get

866
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: out first ball, you're a part of something pretty cool.

867
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: You what'd you hit seventy five from thirty nine? I

868
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: don't know how, don't know how. A bit of preparation,

869
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: a few years of work in the lead up.

870
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: Well, actually it was the day before cramming for the

871
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: exam the day before I did. We we did a

872
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: lot of work to slow spin. Because people recall the

873
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: first game of the World Cup, spin undid Us against India,

874
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 2: pun Am Yadav, who is literally four foot five, strikes

875
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: fear in most cricketers because she just bowls these slow,

876
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: loopy leg spinners that people run past for days. So

877
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: and we did on that occasion. So for us, the

878
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: preparation the day leading in was slow spin and I

879
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 2: remember standing in that net for about an hour and

880
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 2: a half working out how to do it or just

881
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: be confident with my game plan about how it's going

882
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: to go about it. So that was that was how

883
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: I prepared. It wasn't like three years leading in. It

884
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: was literally cramming the night before. But that was me

885
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 2: and I knew going out there that I was well

886
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: prepared for what they were going to throw at me.

887
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: And yeah, we were in the end.

888
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: Katie Perry post match, that was pretty cool.

889
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 2: That was awesome, And I mean I feel sad telling

890
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: this story because Rachel Haynes, which no one knew at

891
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 2: the time, was being drug tested and missed the whole opportunity.

892
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 2: So if you look on stage, there's the one player

893
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 2: missing because she was getting drug tested. So i' mean,

894
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: how inconvenient.

895
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 1: But why did the trapperone not just come on stage

896
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: with it.

897
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: I think she must have been just ready to go,

898
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: so she went. Because I was in the mosh pit

899
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: and someone came and grabbed me and said, oh, you're

900
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: going on stage. You got to get up there. I

901
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 2: don't know how they found me. I was obviously still

902
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 2: in my kit, but it was like pitch black and

903
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: no one can see anythim but someone like grabbed me

904
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: out of the mushit. Anyway, that was awesome to be

905
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: able to go on stage, and I think people really

906
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: saw everyone's personality. There's me on the end who can't dance,

907
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: but you saw everyone on stage and everyone just let rip.

908
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: But I remember after that we all walked off three

909
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: on the back and we kind of followed Katie, who's

910
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: like ranger, who was sitting there waiting for her ready

911
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 2: to go. She like ducked in obviously get changed, and

912
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 2: we were all like thank you way through, and she

913
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 2: was like saying bye and was very gracious anyway, walking

914
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: back through the car park into the chain rooms, and

915
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 2: I just looked over at Meg Lanning and she had

916
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 2: the biggest smile on her face, and she's like pretty serious.

917
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 2: A lot of the time, she's bigger smile on her face.

918
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: I said, what's going on because she goes, I just

919
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 2: got to hug Katy Perry and I said, mag we

920
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: just want to worke up, and she goes, yeah, But

921
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: I just hugged Katy Perry and I was like, yeah, Okay,

922
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 2: that was a pretty cool experience, Like to top off

923
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: a World Cup win with that. Yeah, that's probably the

924
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: story that everyone will tell.

925
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. Fast forward a couple of years, we

926
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: chatted a little bit about twenty twenty two. Meg loses

927
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: the toss, so she's true to form, which maybe you're

928
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: in a better position mentally. You were prepared for that one.

929
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,439
Speaker 2: I felt like we were going to bowl. I really did.

930
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: And then Rachel Haynes said, Nah, we're batting, go bad

931
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: up and I was like, oh right, I get ready,

932
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: lo and behold, we're batting. So Rache knows she's fully

933
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: across it.

934
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: And there'd been a bit of talk before that one

935
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: about Catherine Brandt, and you talked before about the media

936
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: piece and how for you sometimes you read that stuff

937
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 1: and You're like, this is cool. I like that people

938
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: are talking about us. Yeah, how much do you buy

939
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: into that stuff?

940
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: That one pisces me off? The Katherine Brunt question and

941
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: me really started to get to me more so because

942
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 2: they really want to make a bit of a story

943
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: out of it. And yeah, she's got me out a

944
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: little bit throughout my career, but I've also played over

945
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: one hundred games for my country and you know a

946
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 2: whole lot of them are probably against England. And for me,

947
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 2: I was like, it's not they haven't really done the

948
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: research the other way. They're like how many times has

949
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: that been in one day cricket and blah blahlah. So

950
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: anyway started to get to me, and I think the

951
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 2: day before I had to do an ICC interview again

952
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 2: and they asked me again, and I think I cracked

953
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 2: it a little bit. I was like, it's enough. I'm

954
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 2: like stuff, Yeah, like, how about you do your research

955
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: and go the other way? Let me know how many

956
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 2: times it's been blah blah blah. So yeah, I read it,

957
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 2: and yet it doesn't bother me that much. But and

958
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 2: it wasn't a case of me not wanting to get

959
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: out to Catherine Brunton. It was more a case of

960
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: they've got, you know, one of the best new ball

961
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 2: attacks in the world, and for me, my job is

962
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 2: to blunt that and sort of see it through and

963
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: then cash in on the next lot. So it wasn't

964
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 2: a case of me vers Catherine. It was me vers

965
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: the new ball attack and not letting them get on top.

966
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, that question frustrates me a lot, and I

967
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 2: think I've answered it a little bit over the last

968
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 2: few months post the World Cup and they've sort of

969
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: let it go, which is good. But yeah, sometimes I

970
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 2: buy back.

971
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: I guess it's fair enough. What do you think on this?

972
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: While we're on this topic, I've been watching a few

973
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: Nick Curios Wimbledon interviews. What do you think about the idea?

974
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: Because I love when athletes kind of like speak up,

975
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 1: and we've started to see a shift where you're getting

976
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: some more honesty. Like I think throughout my career I've

977
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: kind of talked about I haven't feel like you kind

978
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: of get your media briefing and it's like this is

979
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: the key messages. Make sure you don't talk about this

980
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. What do you see that space

981
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: looking like moving forward?

982
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's shifting is definitely the right word. And I

983
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: think people are now starting to appreciate athletes for being

984
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 2: normal human beings through change instead of being these perfect

985
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 2: role models that do no wrong. It's not the case.

986
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 2: We've all done some silly stuff throughout our life. We

987
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: learn our career that you know, we're not proud of,

988
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: but they're things that shape you into the person that

989
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 2: you are and to be better blah blah blah. And

990
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 2: I think sometimes if the normal human being knew about

991
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 2: that stuff, they'd kind of maybe respect you even more

992
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 2: for sort of what you've gone through or you know,

993
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: what you've overcome. So yeah, I like it. I mean

994
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: I've always tried to not be that person but show

995
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: my personality when I'm in the media or you know,

996
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: or what I align myself too, and when it comes

997
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: to media, and I think it's really refreshing. I mean,

998
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: Nick Krios takes the complete pisce out of it and

999
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 2: goes the other way, which you either love or you hate.

1000
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: But I mean that's the beauty of the man and

1001
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 2: sort of what he wants to be and what he

1002
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 2: wants to be I guess known for, but I'm all

1003
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 2: for it. I think you need to be honest. And

1004
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 2: you know, if you're towing, it's not towing the line.

1005
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: But if you sort of telling the company line your

1006
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: whole life, that might not be the way that you

1007
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 2: think about things. And you know, if that's what's coming

1008
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: out of your mouth, you know, you might start believing it.

1009
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 2: So for me, I'd like to make a point of

1010
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 2: being myself and being really honest, and I guess speaking

1011
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 2: my mind. And fortunately for Brass, we've got a media

1012
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: manager who knows that and loves to send out a

1013
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 2: briefing and it doesn't ever say what not to say

1014
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 2: or these are things that you should stick to. She

1015
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: always says the old you know, make it your own

1016
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: and you know these are the key points. Make sure

1017
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 2: you get them at some point. But whatever you go with,

1018
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 2: just make sure my job won't be too hard for

1019
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 2: the next week. That's kind of where she leaves it.

1020
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: So that yeah, Nose are players. Yeah, I don't want

1021
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 1: to skip over that that World Cup win because you

1022
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: probably put down what would go down in Australian sporting

1023
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: history is one of the best performances ever. One hundred

1024
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: and seventy runs are off one hundred and thirty eight balls,

1025
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: including twenty six boundaries. Told you I don't like running

1026
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 1: makes sense.

1027
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: I got it down early. I said it. I was

1028
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 2: honest earlier, and now we've come to the point.

1029
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, what goes into a performance like that. We've obviously

1030
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: talked about the preparation and things like that, but that's

1031
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: like it's biggest stage in the world, and it's a

1032
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: pretty impressive performance. It's a bloody impressive performances.

1033
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 2: I get a bit cheapish when people and to talk

1034
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: about it, because I'm still not quite sure about it,

1035
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: like about what happened, and maybe one day I might

1036
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: sit down and sort of watch it back properly and

1037
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: sort of reflect on it. But it's pretty cool. I mean,

1038
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 2: it's awesome. I was absolutely knacking, and for me it

1039
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 2: was kind of I felt like the biggest drama cream

1040
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 2: because when I got out, I was in the Chaine room,

1041
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: like the physio and I like, we get along really well,

1042
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: but I don't actually go see the physio a lot.

1043
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: And I'm like a traditional old school wiki keeper. When

1044
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: there's something wrong, you keep it quiet, and because you

1045
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 2: know you can't give you spot up to anyone. I

1046
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: was sort of brought up that way. Anyway, Here I

1047
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 2: am lying in the evenings break on the bench. The

1048
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 2: physio has one of my forearms which is cramping, like massaging.

1049
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 2: My fourum my legs are in the air like flushing.

1050
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 2: I've got one of the girls running drinks bringing mere smoothie.

1051
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: I've got like people all around me. I felt like

1052
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 2: I hated every minute of it. I was like, I

1053
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: hate this, Get me out of here. She's like stay there,

1054
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 2: and she's I'm like I need to go war much.

1055
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 2: She's like, oh there, and then all of a sudden

1056
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: on the physio bed they're working on other things. Anyway,

1057
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 2: it felt horrific, But I mean the inning itself, it

1058
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 2: was kind of just the way that I've been trying

1059
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: to play the game for a long period of time.

1060
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 2: Get through the tough first bit, get yourself in, cash in,

1061
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: and it kind of all just came together in that game.

1062
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I probably did it the game before against

1063
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: the Weir Sydney's and maybe that gave me the confidence

1064
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: to go out and do it again. But the two

1065
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 2: days leading into same as the T twenty World Cup Final,

1066
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 2: I worked really hard to left arm spin because all

1067
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 2: I wanted to do was hit Sophie Ecleston over mid off.

1068
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 2: That's literally the only thing I wanted to get out

1069
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 2: of that final, and I did it in I think

1070
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,720
Speaker 2: shortly when she came onto the attack short after and

1071
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: it kind of like released me a little bit. It

1072
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 2: sort of like broke the shackles and I was sort

1073
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 2: of on for the day. So that was kind of

1074
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 2: how I prepared. Obviously, it did a lot of new

1075
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: ballwork and worked out how I was going to play them,

1076
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 2: but that left arm spin was what I wanted to

1077
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: sort of attack and get on top of, and that

1078
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 2: kind of came to fruition, So for me, I was

1079
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 2: sort of more pleased about that, and the results of

1080
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 2: sort of took care of itself. But yeah, I still

1081
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 2: don't quite know what happened out there. It was just

1082
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 2: one of those bizarre moments in new career that was

1083
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 2: pretty cool.

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00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: I've read about Adam Goods chatting to you guys around

1085
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: this legacy piece, and it's about so much more than

1086
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: the sport that you play. What legacy do you hope

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00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: to leave?

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00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: Well, firstly, I think that that side of the game

1089
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 2: I think has kept me involved for as long as

1090
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 2: what it has I mean I said to you before,

1091
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 2: I could have walked it away from the game at

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00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: twenty seven and been pretty pretty happy knowing that, I

1093
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 2: felt like there's always something else that I could could

1094
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 2: do or go and achieve. So but for me, yes,

1095
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 2: results of you know, have turned around. But I think

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00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 2: for me, being a part of something bigger than just

1097
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: the game and sort of seeing what we're being able

1098
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 2: to do as a group in driving, you know, not

1099
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,919
Speaker 2: just our sport in our country, but around the world

1100
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 2: and also other sports in this country is something really

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00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 2: cool and I'm really proud to be involved in that.

1102
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: And I think that's kind of kept me motivated each

1103
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 2: and every preseason when you show up. Not that our

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00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: preseasons go for very long now, it's like six weeks

1105
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 2: off if you're gone to it, But it's kind of

1106
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 2: kept me involved and kept me motivated and kept me

1107
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: wanting to keep evolving my game just sort of match

1108
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: the ever changing nature of the sport, which I think

1109
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,959
Speaker 2: is really cool. But as for myself, I'm not too sure.

1110
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: I think, first and foremost, I think when I retire,

1111
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 2: I love people to talk about me as a teammate.

1112
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: I mean, that's kind of been my goal throughout my

1113
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 2: whole career is to be a really good teammate and

1114
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 2: be a really supportive one, and that's my role as

1115
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 2: a wicket keeper. It's to keep the vibe of the

1116
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 2: group high and I think hopefully I've done that. Hopefully

1117
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 2: I've helped other people really enjoy what they've done playing

1118
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 2: for Austraia. And if that's all I leave, then that'd

1119
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 2: be great. But from a cricketing sense, I'd love to

1120
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 2: see our group just continue to change the way that

1121
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 2: the game's played and keep revolutionizing it. I mean there's

1122
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 2: some sort of handbrake on us at the minute to

1123
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 2: stop that gap between us and the next best, So

1124
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 2: I think they're worried about that gap. But for us,

1125
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: I think we just need to keep keep driving it

1126
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 2: further and further, wider and wider, because I think at

1127
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: the end of the day, it's going to drag the

1128
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 2: rest along and I think it's going to be great

1129
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 2: for our sports. So to be a part of that group, yeah,

1130
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 2: it's really special.

1131
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: If you had to stop today, would you be happy

1132
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: with what you've achieved as a person, more so as

1133
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: a more so than as a player.

1134
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, I look back on

1135
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 2: the T twenty World Cup at the MCG and the

1136
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 2: world literally shut down the week after that with COVID,

1137
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 2: and I remember sitting there at home during that winter,

1138
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: and I was at home with my husband, which never

1139
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 2: happens for more than sort of two three weeks at

1140
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 2: a time, and we spent six months at home and

1141
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 2: I loved every minute of it, and I thought, and

1142
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 2: then when we went back to training, I thought I

1143
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 2: should retire, like I actually should have done it. I

1144
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 2: don't think anything's going to get as good as what

1145
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 2: it was then. You know, I really love my time

1146
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 2: at home. Maybe this is my life now. And then

1147
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 2: I look back at it, and if I hadn't done that,

1148
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have got to experience what I did in

1149
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 2: New Zealand, which was something pretty special. So yeah, I

1150
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 2: think one hundred percent I would have been And I

1151
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 2: also would have been pretty pumped back at twenty seven,

1152
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: knowing the stats and what they look like back then,

1153
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 2: I still would have been pretty happy with, you know,

1154
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 2: I guess what I had helped achieve in winning World

1155
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 2: Cups and being part of a successful team. But I'd

1156
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 2: been more proud now of you know how I've contributed

1157
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 2: then back then, that's for sure.

1158
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, very cool. Thank you so much for coming and

1159
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: having a chat today. I really enjoyed sitting down with

1160
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: you and hearing a bit more about your story and

1161
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: all the bloody incredible things you've done so far.

1162
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for having me. It was a

1163
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 2: real pleasure.

1164
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,279
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1165
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00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,839
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