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Speaker 1: Yesterday the Northern Territory government announced a task force has

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Speaker 1: been established to ensure that TiO Stadium has a valid

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Speaker 1: occupancy certificate. So Marara's premier sporting stadium has yet to

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Speaker 1: be certified under the Building Act of nineteen ninety three,

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Speaker 1: with the ikak As we know launching an investigation into

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Speaker 1: the matter back in March. Now joining me on the

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Speaker 1: line is the Minister for Planning and Infrastructure on various

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Speaker 1: other portfolios, as well as the Treasurer Eva Laula. Good

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Speaker 1: morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Minister you yesterday announced this Building Compliance task Force in

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Speaker 1: an effort to bring the stadium up to code to

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Speaker 1: gain the occupancy certificate. You've also extended that declaration exempting

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Speaker 1: TiO Stadium from the Building Act requirements for at least

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Speaker 1: six months past June thirty. Why do we need this

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, the Building Compliance task Force isn't just about Marara.

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Speaker 2: It is about other government owned buildings that are in

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Speaker 2: our building control zones. Because that's what Marara has thrown

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Speaker 2: up that there are a number of other buildings, government

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Speaker 2: owned buildings that also aren't compliant. So these are historic,

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Speaker 2: these are legacy buildings, buildings that were built you know

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Speaker 2: in the in the late eighties or after Cyclone tracy

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Speaker 2: eighties and nineties. So the work at Marra has you know,

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Speaker 2: revealed basically just how complex it is that you know,

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Speaker 2: there are buildings that need to meet those compliance or

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Speaker 2: they need to be have occupancy certificates and they haven't

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Speaker 2: got them. So there is a lot of work to

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Speaker 2: be done and that's what it's about. So that some

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Speaker 2: of those buildings may it may just be outstanding paperwork.

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Speaker 2: So some of those, through the task force may be

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Speaker 2: able to be managed, you know, through administration going back

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Speaker 2: having a look at what was there in the past,

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Speaker 2: what needs to be done. Others might need more than that.

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Speaker 2: So around Marara, the contractors as well as the certifiers

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Speaker 2: have been working you know, very tirelessly and diligently over

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Speaker 2: the last six months. And the issue that I've now

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Speaker 2: run into is around professional indemnity insurance. We're seeing this

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Speaker 2: globally across Australia as well, that these insurance insurers are

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Speaker 2: putting you know, increasingly more conditions on certifiers if they

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Speaker 2: are going to have to certify a building. And so

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Speaker 2: that's another issue that we face and that's what the

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Speaker 2: issue is around Marara particularly, Yeah, because I think.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people listening going to be thinking, you know,

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Speaker 1: why is it taking so long for for Maurra to

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Speaker 1: get that certificate.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean it was built, as we know,

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Speaker 2: thirty years ago. The Northern Territory government has continued to

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Speaker 2: the roof has been replaced, there's it's been brought up

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Speaker 2: to accessibility standards. That's been done. You know that there's

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Speaker 2: been renovations to the toilet, the canteen, all of those things.

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Speaker 2: The actual seating is just about to be all replaced

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Speaker 2: as well. So you know, we do spend ongoing money

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Speaker 2: on ongoing maintenance on all government buildings. You know, there

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Speaker 2: is that repairs and maintenance. There's about a ninety three

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Speaker 2: those buildings have the occupancy certificate or there's a layer

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Speaker 2: of Existence. So in twenty sixteen the Building Act was

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Speaker 2: amended to have those three different levels. I guess you'd

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Speaker 2: Marara is now around getting that professional indemnity, so having

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Speaker 2: a certifier that will professionally indemnit indemnify the work that

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Speaker 2: they're going to do. So this is the work of

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Speaker 2: the task force. This is why we're set up the

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Speaker 2: task force because it is complex. You know, those things

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Speaker 2: weren't done at the time. What paperwork needs to be done,

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Speaker 2: what other work needs to be done. Then to make

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Speaker 2: sure that they're compliant. How can we get these buildings

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Speaker 2: to get to that occupancy certificate level? And it's it's

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Speaker 2: not unique. Other states and territories are in the similar

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Speaker 1: And I know I've asked you this before. You know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So all the advice that I've got is that

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Speaker 2: and obviously because they are built by your contractors and

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Speaker 2: the time. So you know that there has been work

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Speaker 2: i have been the Minister for a while and you

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Speaker 2: know I'm determined to get these issues sorted out once

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Speaker 2: we said, this work needs to be this needs to

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Speaker 2: whether it is around you know, sorting paperwork, whether it

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Speaker 2: You're managing it case by case, which will be the

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Speaker 2: you know, the things that will be needed to be done,

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Speaker 2: and we may need to amend legislation, there may need

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Speaker 2: to be exemptions, but I need to know, as I

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Speaker 2: said in my term of government, that we've done everything

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Speaker 2: you would you.

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Speaker 1: Need to amend legislation then to be able to make

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Speaker 2: Well not so at the moment we're exempting, so I

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Speaker 2: can I don't Probably there's I may not need to. Well,

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Speaker 2: I don't need to because you know, at the moment

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Speaker 2: I can put in the minister can put in exemptions

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Speaker 2: in around that. But you know, longer term, is there

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Speaker 2: other options around that? So you know, if this issue

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Speaker 2: of professional indemnity insurance continues to come up, is there

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Speaker 2: something that can be done? But minister or government buildings

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Speaker 2: by the way, just to let people know, all government

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Speaker 2: so we don't actually get someone to ensure a government building.

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Speaker 1: Is this work happening, you know, because because you know

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Speaker 1: that there is an ik investigation underway and to mitigate

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Speaker 2: No, so you know, we were already doing the work

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Speaker 2: well before the IKAK came and you wrote to us

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Speaker 2: around TiO Stadium. We're already doing the work around TiO.

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Speaker 2: There was already work being done around these buildings. But

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Speaker 2: it is about making sure that we can get this done.

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Speaker 2: So we've put more staff onto, you know, this team

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Speaker 2: that will look at these these buildings and as I said,

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Speaker 2: I'm determined to make sure that we get these to

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Speaker 2: things sorted out because they are legacy issue. It's gone

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Speaker 2: on for thirty years.

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Speaker 1: So Marister, what other buildings will the task force be

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Speaker 1: know that they're obviously these others. What other buildings are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the task forces advised me that they will

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Speaker 2: provide so this is the work that they're doing now,

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Speaker 2: they'll provide a list, they're saying that they'll put there'll

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Speaker 2: be provided, is it said in coming weeks around that.

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Speaker 2: But one of the things I also mentioned is, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's nearly fifty years in Cyclone Tracy, and I think

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Speaker 2: that's a big issue for all of us in government

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Speaker 2: whether that is around schools, you know, other government buildings,

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Speaker 2: we do need to make sure, as we said, that

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Speaker 2: we'll have to get to a stage where we're starting

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Speaker 2: to replace and do even more substantial upgrades around that

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Speaker 2: fifty years. Since Tracy is important.

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Speaker 1: To well here it is I mean, is there a

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Speaker 1: possibility that some of these government buildings may not actually

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Speaker 2: No, definitely not, because what we do is we have

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Speaker 2: we have cyclical maintenance, so there is ongoing checks on

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Speaker 2: cyclical maintenance, there's regulatory maintenance checks as well, and then

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Speaker 2: you know, we spend nearly one hundred million this year.

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Speaker 2: It's ninety three on repairs and maintenance. And now that

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Speaker 2: well if you're a principal in a school, you have

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Speaker 2: what needs to happen to make sure that your school

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Speaker 2: if there is important regulatory things that need to be updated.

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Speaker 2: These buildings are safe.

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Speaker 1: We are just about out of time. I do want

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Speaker 1: to ask you, though, very quickly. We know the Chief

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Speaker 1: Minister this morning announced measures aimed at preventing crime and

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Speaker 1: anti social behavior. They include cross agency collaboration, a public

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Speaker 1: order response unit, and changes to BIZ secure. Do you

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Speaker 2: I think with antisocial behavior and crime, it's one of

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Speaker 2: those things that you have to constantly continue to work

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Speaker 2: on because it's a bit like you know, banging sharks

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Speaker 2: or whatever it is, isn't it. You know, you have

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Speaker 2: to continue to really focus on those issues because you know,

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Speaker 2: to another. So from my point of view, yes, this

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Speaker 2: is great, but for all governments it is about constantly

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Speaker 2: of these issues. So I think it was a good

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Speaker 2: announcement today, but there's always work in this area that

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Speaker 1: Minister, we are going to have to leave it there.

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate your time this morning. Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for having a chat with us.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, thank you