WEBVTT - Claudia Karvan: Bump - Actor 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.720 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:04.880 TV Reload, the podcast last week thatdline. Welcome back guys 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:07.560 to TV Reload. My name is Benjamin Norris, and on 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:10.160 this podcast I go behind the scenes with the biggest 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:13.320 players in television. Each episode you will get a front 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:17.800 row seat with content makers like executive producers, writers, editors, 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:20.360 and casting agents lost the talent that we see on 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:23.440 our screens. TV Reload reloads the shows that we're all 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.160 currently watching and gives you a better insight into our 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.960 television industry and our streaming services. Today on the podcast, 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:32.279 I have my final guest of the year. Thank you 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:34.720 so much for listening. It is one of my favorite 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:37.960 actors ever, a household name and an award winning TV 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:41.879 and film actress. It's none other than Claudia Carven. Claudia 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:44.000 started out in films working with the likes of Gary 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:47.120 McDonald and Judy Davis. Growing up in front of the cameras. 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:48.960 We saw her work in The Big Steel and The 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:51.920 Heartbreak Kid, but it was her role as Alex Christiansen 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:54.560 in the television series Secret Life of Us that had 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:58.160 audiences mesmerized. It was a great turn of events working 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.280 with the writers like Judy mccrosson and Christopher Lee, and 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:03.760 the series saw her collaborate for the first time with 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:08.240 John Edwards, a genius storyteller and producer. John Edwards encourage 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:10.800 Claudia to work as a director and a producer, and 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:13.800 they soon collaborated on a TV series called Love My Way, 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.720 which was a series for Foxtel that still has a 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:20.000 massive cult following even though they only did three seasons. 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:23.280 That series is one of the most powerful, impactful and 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:26.319 inspired stories ever brought to the small screen and we 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.440 will get a chance to talk about that today. With 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.360 shows like Time of Our Lives, Puberty, Blues, The Other 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:35.080 Guy and Spirited, we've been gifted a catalog of characters, 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:37.920 each as real as the next. Today we will talk 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:40.840 about all of her roles in these iconic shows. We 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:43.800 will get a backstage pass to reasons and rationales of 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:47.360 most of her legendary performances. The new series Bump is 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:50.360 out on Boxing Day on STAN Australia, which is their 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.720 best series yet and I promise you that. However, let's 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.800 get started on today's episode as I welcome Claudia Carfon 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:58.560 to the podcast TV Reload. 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:04.040 That is what acting is acting, is listening and responding. 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:06.120 Maybe it'll be different to how you thought it would be, 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:07.440 but you'll make her work. 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:11.360 I love Alex and I love working with deb Mailman 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:12.760 and Samuel Johnson. 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.919 I share a flat with Alex, and we're pretty much opposites. 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.440 I'm very confident that Franky from Love My Way is 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:23.800 living a beautiful life and she's feeling strong and loved somewhere. Hey, 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.280 Mammie had me in a hospital. Heay. Name is Francesca 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:30.600 Page and she's an excellent mum and an excellent painters man. Tonally, 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.840 it's the same show, but we moved into different territories. 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.480 Please welcome Claudia Carvin on, but. 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:38.840 We empower our actors. 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:42.440 Hi, Claudia Carvin, how are you? 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:44.320 I'm very well. How are you? 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.320 I'm doing so well. I'm so happy to be chatting 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:50.280 with you after doing two hundred and five episodes of 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.160 this podcast. No disrespect to any of my other guests. 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:55.520 This is the kram Della Creme for me. 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.760 Oh that's too nice, that's way too kind. 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:02.720 Well, you consistently and have been one of my favorite actors, 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.560 and no matter what role that you've played, I've always 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:09.440 been genuinely mesmerized by the way in which you make 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:11.320 your characters seem real. 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:16.160 Well, that's a lovely, lovely review. I think the sort 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.280 of responsibility that comes with performing is that you do 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:24.040 want to, you know, pay homage to us as humans 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:28.640 and as fallible people and to humanity in general. I 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.560 guess you sort of don't want to present the sort 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:34.840 of fake version of life. Really is my sort of 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:38.000 motivation anyway, and that's my instinct. That's why I really 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:41.280 love watching documentaries. I love watching people when they're not 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:44.600 when things aren't scripted, and I actually watch a lot 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:46.440 more documentaries than I do drama. 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:48.720 I think the reason for doing that, though, is, I mean, 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:52.840 you're studying real people. What you're trying to tap into 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.120 is the nuances of real people. 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:59.600 That's right, And yeah, that's that's me. I'm just always studying, 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:01.360 always working. 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:04.360 I think of all the characters, I think of all 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:06.680 the characters something that you have in common. And it 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.520 was funny yesterday I watched a whole chunk of Secret 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:11.800 Life of Us. I watched a whole chunk of Love 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.200 my Way, and all of these women that you play 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.039 was so extraordinarily different. But the one thing that you 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:19.680 had in common with all of them was that you 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:23.600 made them curious, you made them intelligent, and I think 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:27.320 that's the currency of your performance. 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:31.440 Ah, that's really lovely. Oh wow, Well, I think I 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:36.320 just set out to make them feel layered and as 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:40.359 you say, nuanced and in the moment and aware of 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:44.400 their environments, and you know, and blinded by certain things 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:49.120 as well. There's always blind spots in us. But intelligence 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:51.080 is great because I don't know, you know, you never 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:54.920 know if that's that's a lovely thing to get feedback on. 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.719 I think curious is really interesting because you make them 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:02.200 always seem in Ga and I you know, I remember 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:03.920 meeting you at the Logis and this was such an 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:05.600 odd moment and you kind of looked at me like, 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.520 oh god, this guy's crazy. But I was telling you 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:13.840 that if ever I felt like nervous or worried, I 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:17.479 would pretend to be Claudia Carbon and I would do 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.280 this in the doctors. So like, you know, you go 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:22.200 to the doctors in my twenties and you'd be like, 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:25.200 I don't want to talk about this awkwardness. So I 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:29.359 would slip into you know you, and you were like, 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:31.479 I don't know if I've got that many nuances like 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:35.880 what are you doing? It sounds so ridiculous. That's why 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:36.360 I'm so glad. 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:40.800 I'm totally I totally remember this conversation. Now, that was 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:43.680 the bizarrest thing anyone has ever said to me on 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.800 a red carpet. Yeah, I can't work at I don't 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:50.120 know what my idiosynthesies are and how anyone would recognize 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:53.200 them will repeat them. But that is hilarious and so beautiful. 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.320 I love that. I think you said it was something 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.599 to do with the hesitations or the pauses or whatever. Anyway, 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:01.440 I shouldn't analyze what I do, because no, it is. 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:05.040 That's exactly what it is. It's but it's also you're listening. 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.120 And obviously I don't know you as a person, so 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:10.160 I'm only going by the performances that you've had and 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.440 with these characters, no matter who they were, and as 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.080 I said, they're all vastly different people. But you could 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:20.120 see your characters listening, and that's a form of intelligence 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:22.559 because you're making sure you listen to what people are saying. 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:26.560 That is what acting is. Acting is listening and responding. 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.040 That is what it is, and that's when you you know, 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.839 in the early days when you start acting, they say 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:35.280 action and all you can hear is the blood pumping 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.599 in your ear drums, that's all you can hear. You 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:40.560 can hardly breathe, and you're swept away in this sort 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.920 of panic and you're just getting through the scene. That's 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:46.320 what happens when you're younger and before you sort of 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.560 just once you realize, actually, all I have to do 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.159 is be here and listen and receive. And I can't 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.240 listen and receive if my blood pressure is going crazy 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.839 and I can hardly breathe. And it calms you down 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:00.599 and it centers you because you're putting all your energy 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.760 into the other person. You're not thinking about yourself and 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:08.360 what you're doing. And it's great to take that into 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.920 life as well. It makes life a lot easier to 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:14.880 get through, and you know, you avoid those sort of 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:18.280 anxious as often as possibly, sort of avoid that sort 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.960 of panic or anxiety in your own life. But did 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:24.400 you watch the actors this year? Yes? How funny was 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:28.600 Chris Hemsworth's speech about how he ripped off Russell Crow 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:32.360 and he built a whole career pretending to be Russell 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.840 Grow and doing the deep voice with gravitas. And then 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:39.440 Barry was on set with Russell Crowe playing Zeus and 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:42.000 he's like, Russell Crows probably thinking why is this guy 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:45.000 playing Russell Chrome? So funny? 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:47.160 That is the strangest thing that you're saying that Because 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.120 that was what I didn't want to do today, and 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:52.320 because I've been ripping you for a good part of 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:55.640 twenty five years, maybe longer, I just was like, what 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:57.720 happens if while I'm talking to you today, I start 0:07:57.800 --> 0:07:59.240 doing you back to you? 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.960 So basically you're having a Chris Hemsworth moment. That's pretty good. 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:05.200 This is my Chris Hemsworth moment. 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:07.640 That's gorgeous. It's so funny. 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:09.960 Of all the characters that you've played, though, I still 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:13.200 think about most of them, and I still feel as 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:17.320 though they would still exist, do you think about them? 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:18.920 Do you think about a lot of these characters you've 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.000 played and wonder what they would be doing now? 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:25.520 Oh wow, what a beautiful question. Frankie. I'm very confident 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.000 that Frankie from Love My Way is living a beautiful 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:32.440 life and she's feeling strong and loved. Somewhere. Alex is 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:37.000 probably running a hospital by now, total perfectionist she's probably 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:41.920 just killing it. Probably internationally, she's probably running some scientific 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:46.360 medical health company somewhere or platform or something saving people's lives. 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:50.440 Caroline from Time in My Lives is probably She's probably 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:52.480 been scheduled by now. 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:54.599 I'm just hoping she's still with Tommy Little what was 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:58.520 that character's name again. He was so hot in that show. 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.880 I remember watching that show thinking because he was relatively 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:05.400 unknown to me when he was in that series, and 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:07.600 you guys just had really good chemistry, and I just 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:10.240 thought he was so sexy. So I'm hoping Caroline's there. 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:14.280 I think he would have. I think he would have 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:16.680 woke up one morning and gone, I think I need 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:18.320 to get out of this relationship. 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.480 She was kind of a gross character at times, so 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:23.360 I mean, she exists in the real world and we 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.040 meet that woman. I mean, we've all met that woman, 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:30.240 but she kind of was a very different person to 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:34.040 who you'd played before because she was so unlikable, That's. 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.200 Right, which is why I took the role. In the end. 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:38.640 I mean, it was Amanda Higgs and Judy m Across 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.840 and the beautiful Crap team from Secret Life of Us, 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:43.800 so I had a great relationship with them. And they 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:46.080 offered me the role of Caroline. They sent the scripts 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:51.560 through and I was like, oh, this is oedious, She's 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:55.560 ogius and I was like, oh, no, I don't think so. 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.000 I don't think I want to play this role. Sorry, 0:09:58.160 --> 0:09:59.640 And then I was sort of then a couple of 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.040 days and I was like, I cannot stop thinking about 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:05.760 that woman and why does she behave like that? And yes, 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:08.160 you're right, they exist in real life and you come 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:11.080 across them and you can't get away from them quick enough. 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:15.120 They just sort of sap your energy somehow. But then 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.400 I was like, I want to. I want to understand 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.560 that woman, and I want to make sense of those 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:23.320 scenes and I want to I want to investigate that 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.480 attitude to life and what is it like to live 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:29.200 in that headspace? So I was like, actually, can I 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:30.760 take the role. I have not put it to someone 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:34.800 else yet, have you? I want to. I want this 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:37.200 character to surprise me, and I want to try and 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:42.200 find the empathy or are crazy like that? 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.080 But you did? I think you did put things into 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:48.079 that woman as time went on of that show into 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:50.320 series two, and I felt like, if we had a 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.839 series three, I think you did humanize this Karen woman. 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:55.520 Do you know she was a Karen before we'd call 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:57.760 them Karen's. Do you know what I mean? Anyway, we 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:00.560 like people are probably not as familiar with that show 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.280 as I am. I've rewatched that show so many times 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:05.160 that my partner of thirteen years he comes home and 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:09.160 he's like again again, and I'm like, I will rewatch 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:09.560 that one. 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.959 But it was an interesting show and that it's sort 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.720 of you weren't really aware of the power of that 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:19.080 show when you read it, because I felt like, well, 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:21.440 this is just life, this is what we're all living. 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:23.800 So it didn't feel that extraordinary to me, and then 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.160 you watch it on screen, you go, oh wow, why 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:28.800 am I crying all the time? How is this so powerful? 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:32.880 Until you see your life reflected back at you and 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:37.520 what you're living in this period of parenting where the 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.880 rules are so specific and so generational, Until you see 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.760 it reflected back at you, you can't sort of process it. 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:47.120 And I found it incredibly powerful and moving that show. 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.679 I thought it was so sad that the ABC didn't 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.600 order it for a third season. And you know, I 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.080 also loved working with my one of my oldest and 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:56.760 bestest friends, Justine Clark. 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.920 What I was going to ask you, though, is about 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.200 stepping back with Secret Life of Us. You know, that 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:04.360 was a really interesting move for you in two thousand 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.120 because you were really known for your movie roles. I 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:09.200 was wanting to know, you know, why did you say 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:12.800 yes to that show? Because you know, now it's really 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.600 common for movie actors to be on television. It's like 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:19.240 you were ahead of your time, but that wasn't the 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.400 case in two thousand. So what was it about Secret 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.000 Life of Us that made you go, oh, I'm going 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:24.720 to make the move. 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.080 Yeah, that's right. It was a really big decision and 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:30.640 I'd only done TV long running TV once before and 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:33.200 it was a train wreck. It was a Louis Auers 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.880 series for the ABC when I was in year eleven, 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:39.640 with Kate Fitzpatrick and Nel Schofield and Paul Chub and 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:43.680 had all the recipe for being a great show, but 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:47.080 it just tanked. And it was just immoralizing to be 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.920 stuck on a show that just was not getting an 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:53.200 audience and no one was watching it, And so I 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.520 sort of vowed to never do that again. And then yeah, 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.760 the Secret Love of Us script came along, and my 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:04.400 Robin Gardner, who'd been constantly saying, no, you're never doing TV, No, 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:08.000 you're never doing TV. That's you know, she's she recommended 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.040 that I do this, and I was like, oh, this 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:14.839 is a change of tune. And I was a bit skeptical. 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.800 And then I read the script and I asked to 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:20.679 speak to Amanda and Judy because I was like, I 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:23.719 don't understand. I mean, I was like twenty I think 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:25.520 I was twenty eight or something like that. I was like, 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:31.080 I don't understand, Like, how can this really smart, successful 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:35.520 doctor be so crap with men, you know, be so 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.560 useless in relationships because at that stage, you didn't see 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:44.520 characters on screen that were sort of contradictory. They just 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:49.160 didn't exist. Like TV writing has evolved to such an 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:53.400 extraordinary degree, so I think it's such a sort of 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.280 naive question. Now it's like, well, why would you want 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:58.800 to see a doctor on television who's also smashing it 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:03.160 in relationships? And this is perfect communicator with the opposite set. 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:05.880 So they sort of explained that to him and I 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.640 was like, oh, yeah, okay, that's sort of interesting. And 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:10.840 then I just I didn't sign on for a long 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:15.640 period of time. I just said lookol again hilariously naively, 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:17.559 I just said to John Edwards, oh, look, I think 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:19.360 I'll just do four episodes and then I'll see if 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:22.280 I want to keep going, which now I'm a producer, 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:26.160 that's just impossible. And I've often said to John it's like, 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.040 how did you agree to that? And he's like, oh, 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:29.720 we just took a punt. We sort of knew you'd 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:31.880 love it and you'd stay on, and so they did. 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:35.200 They took a punt, and I loved it. I loved it. 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:38.640 I loved Alex and I loved working with dev Mailman. 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.440 I mean, she's just one of She's a national treasure 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:47.360 and just an extraordinary actress. And Samuel Johnson, who's just 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:50.960 he's like a young Ben Mendelson. He's such a live 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.160 while so beautiful to act opposite. So it was just 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.560 a gift, and it was like really interesting because it's 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:01.600 it was a solid long jobs. So as an actor, 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:04.400 it was like six months work. You feel like a 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:07.240 real person having a real job, you know, going to 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:12.680 work every week. And the audience response was like I 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.400 never I'd never had a you know, I had never 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.040 had a response like that. We go, oh wow, the 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.800 work we're doing, people are actually watching it and talking 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:21.720 about it. You go, oh, this is why we at 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.320 because we would like people to entertain people and actually 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.120 resonate with an audience. And it happened. 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:30.120 So people were flying over to live in Sint Kilda 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:34.040 from England, Like that's what, that's the phenomenon. I'm a 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:37.240 Melbourne person and I spend at that particular point of 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:39.880 my life that I was the same age as those characters, 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:42.640 so we were in Sint Kilda living that life. 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.200 Did you resent us? Did you feel annoyed that we 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:47.600 were ruining Saint Kilda a bit? Because it sort of 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:50.560 it did go through a major gentrification, didn't it after 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:52.480 the show? Like they even had it on the real 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.600 estate for sale come and live the Secret Life of 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:57.000 Sint Kilda stuff? 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:00.360 Because I love television so much. For me, it just 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.800 electrified the experience and I enjoyed the whole Oh well, 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:05.360 this is kind of what we'd be doing for on 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.880 Secret Life of Us. But I did have other friends 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.760 who weren't television obsessed like me and did feel like 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:15.440 it was a bit of an intrusion of their secret world. 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.240 And that's what they felt like it was because sink 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:20.160 Kilda is sort of where the super rich met the 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.600 super poor of the time, and I think that's why 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:26.160 the show electrified like it was even when it came 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:27.760 back on I don't know if you read about this, 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.280 but when it came back on Netflix, all these young 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.040 people were watching it, and I was so shocked about 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.320 it because they if you rewatch Secret Life of Us, 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:40.960 there's no phones. Like there's an episode where Samuel comes 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.400 home as Evan to look for you and he has 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:45.520 to go to all of the places where you may 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:47.960 be because he can't just call you on the phone 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:50.120 and he just keeps turning up at the fubah and 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.320 he's like, as Alex come back in here. By Now, 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.400 that would just never happen. Now. Younger people would be thinking, 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:57.960 what is wrong? Why is any on his phone? Why 0:16:58.000 --> 0:16:59.680 is any on his Apple phone? 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.480 It's quite romantic. Yeah, I know a lot of people 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:05.760 have watched it. It's really stood the test of time. 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.680 I was like, oh no, I did so much bad 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.440 acting in those first few episodes, like oh no no. 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.080 But I had a little flick through it and it's 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:15.960 beautiful and it's a beautiful show. 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.160 Have you gone back and watched episodes of it, have. 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:22.000 You, Yes, Yeah, I did. I did. It was so bizarre. Yeah, 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:25.720 such a time walk, Yes, and you sort of get 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:31.160 a little bit more objectivity because of the time that's passed. Yeah. 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.960 I really appreciated the writing and some of the most 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:37.400 amazing directors cut their teeth on that show, like Kate Shortland, 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:41.920 who's gone on to didn't she direct a Marvel film recently? Yeah, 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:45.080 and then Tony McNamara was on that and he went 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.840 on to do the great and the favorite you know, 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.639 extraordinarily talented people who were just starting out in not 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:52.280 for years. 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:54.800 The way in which the writing was so snappy for 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:58.840 Secret Life of Us at that particular time was unbelievable. 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:01.800 That show was in aging people in a way that 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:04.840 has never happened since. I mean, why haven't they made 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:08.159 a show about twenty somethings living in an apartment building 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:11.199 like that since then? I mean, there's been nothing with 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:14.520 that writing. And as successful as Secret Life of Us 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:15.760 was of that time. 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:18.840 Was was Wonderland a bit in that sort of territory. 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.920 I didn't know Wonderland was, Like the writing just wasn't 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:26.879 at that same level, Like it just wasn't and everyone 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.880 wanted Wonderland to be, you know, the next Secret Life 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.879 of Us, but nothing has ever been done like Secreal 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.320 Life of Us. Those characters were given a lot to do. 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:40.400 They tackled things that I think producers might worry if 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:43.479 that subject matter is, if you're allowed to tackle that 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.159 sort of stuff on television, you know they'd be worried. 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:50.440 Yeah, well, it's interesting, I think given the time period, 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.919 and also because I know Amanda hit so Well and 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:57.479 Christopher Lee Now and Judy mccrosson and John Edwards now 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:00.760 are the four core team that were the four creators. 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:04.399 And now I know I've created shows and I've produced shows, 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:07.959 so I sort of can detect. I can sort of 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.960 see that you could sort of pull apart the engine, 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:13.240 I guess. And so when I went back and watched 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:15.720 Secret Life of Us, I was like, oh wow, Oh 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:19.480 I can hear Amanda Higgs's voice and that storyline. Oh 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:25.040 I could hear Judy maccosson's voice and her influence over 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:28.600 that show. It was just so clear. You know, I 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:31.000 don't know if you have met Judy macrossen or interviewed her, 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:33.480 but she's one of those people that just has no filter. 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:36.840 There is no small talk. She just goes straight to 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:40.600 the heart of the matter. She says the most outrageous things. 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:43.280 She'll sort of say out loud what you might you know, 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:47.480 keep in your head. And it's that bravery and that 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.160 you know, when you set that tone in a story room, 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:54.040 when you're talking like that, then other people start talking 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:57.880 like that, and that's when the good, intimate and truthful 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:01.720 and authentic personal stories come out and you put them 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:06.600 through the TV filter, and then they make great television, 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.120 great great episodes, great characters. 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:11.680 I thought it was also clever because it provoked conversation 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:14.600 amongst everyone that watched it. You know, I think it 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:17.239 allowed you to see these people talking about things. I mean, 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:20.560 September eleven happened, and they you know, the characters were 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:24.080 talking about September eleventh. And then I think afterwards, you know, 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:27.719 hearing these fictitional characters talk about it with integrity and 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:30.960 intelligence and even politics. You know, that was even tackled 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:33.119 in a way that I thought was well ahead of 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:35.360 its time, and I don't think that's ever been done. 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:38.320 I mean, there's some dialogue I saw yesterday where one 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:40.919 of the characters, Jason says, you know, no one admits 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:44.560 to voting for John Howard, and I thought, well, that's 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:47.800 you know, that's a bold decision to make in television, 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:51.760 because you may alienate your audience by having someone make 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:55.000 such a stance. But then afterwards, I remember sitting around 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:57.320 talking about it at the time and being like, well, 0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:00.080 did you vote for John Howard? No one admitted to it? 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:04.160 Correct, Yeah, I mean my character Alex talked about Palestine. 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:08.480 You know, like no one's brave to talk enough to 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:11.520 talk about Palestine. It just doesn't happen. So that was 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:12.320 pretty incredible. 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:16.440 Yeah, and then Jason's partner Aleis Gana, Yes, she ends 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:19.639 up saying horrific things after Alex talks about Palestine. I 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:20.680 don't know if you remember that. 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:24.560 Why they become a target in the first place. 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:28.760 Don't tell me talking about israelis the Palestinians are terrorists. 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:30.960 You don't really expect the US to support them doing 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:34.439 what your Palestinians have And anyway, that's exactly my point. 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.520 The US totally support is Russia and they always have. 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:42.400 But I remember being like, how is this on television? 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:44.719 But these people really exist, and you know, there are 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:46.920 ignorant people in real life that would say that kind 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:48.679 of stuff. I mean, I don't think we're supposed to 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:51.879 like her character. I think that was on purpose. But anyway, 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:56.600 we're delving way too deep into Love My Way is one. 0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:59.400 It's my favorite TV show of all time. Nothing's ever 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:02.919 touched it. I never forget watching that show for the 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:06.919 first time. There was four fictitious characters in you know, 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:10.080 these characters in the first season who were so flawed 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:13.040 they were kind of almost a bit unlikable. I don't know, 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:15.280 how did you feel working on that show, you know, 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:17.920 because this was your first time co creating, co producing, 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:20.840 you know, were you trying to do something particularly different 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:24.240 with Love my Way that hadn't been done on television before. 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:27.359 Well, the genesis of that is that I directed a 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:30.720 block of Secret Love of Us and Ammanda and John 0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:32.920 let me do that, which was incredible. And then John 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:35.080 took me aside and said, do you want to create 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:37.000 a show with me? And he's sort of pitched, you know, 0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:39.080 how about we do a spinoff show you and Rex 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:41.359 Alex and Rex. I'm like, no, I don't feel like 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:42.880 doing that. Then we were sort of like some sort 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:44.959 of crime show. And then I was like, what I 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:46.960 really want to do is I want to do something 0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:49.120 in Sydney. I don't want it to be in a studio. 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:52.080 I wanted to be all on location. So I want 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:55.840 to put all my sort of film values into TV. 0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:58.320 So it's we treat it like it as a film. 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:00.440 We're not going to treat it like it's TV, which 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:03.000 means the production values. You want to have more sort 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:05.520 of mizen scene you want to have, you know, you 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:07.840 want to be able to see people walking out out 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:09.760 the window. You want to see people walking around the park, 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:12.640 or you want some wind or that makes a big 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:17.520 difference to the feeling and also acting in those environments. 0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:19.480 And it has been Sydney, and I wanted to be 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:22.879 around being in your thirties and the legacy of past 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:27.159 relationships because I was a stepmother at the time, you know, 0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:32.080 dealing with flip families. And then John put together an 0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:35.920 amazing writers room that had Brendan Carroll and Jacqueline Persky, 0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:41.520 Piana Siries, Tourny, mac Namara Loofox, incredible voices and you know, 0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:44.680 all the facets of human nature were in that room. 0:23:44.840 --> 0:23:48.560 And I guess we were just all very strong minded 0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:52.119 and we just wanted everything to be authentic. And my 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:55.440 greatest fear when we were making it was is this 0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:58.760 just sort of middle class naval gazing? Is this going 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:02.520 to be the moor And show? And no one will 0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:06.400 watch it? And so the only comfort was like, wow, 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:09.119 well it is sort of our lives and it is 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:12.119 what we think and how we feel, so we'll just 0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:15.520 go with this. But yeah, it might just be naval gazing. 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:21.040 So I was pleasantly surprised that people sort of responded 0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:25.280 to those, you know, authentic voices. We all sort of 0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:28.720 were vulnerable and stripped ourselves bare, I guess, and put 0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:32.080 everything up there and yeah, unlikable, and then it's you know, 0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:35.600 gets studied at the aft RS, the scripts get studied 0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:38.720 and we won some award. I don't know, ten years 0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:40.760 after it was when it was made, and it still 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:43.040 gets sort of talked about. But it was during the 0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:45.840 time where HBO had just launched, and so there were 0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:49.679 shows like The Sopranos, and that was the beginning of 0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:53.960 you know, a lot of the writers in Hollywood had 0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:58.040 realized they'd lost all their power. They would get a 0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:02.440 production up and then there's script would be overwrited by 0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:05.679 a famous director or a famous actor or both and 0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:09.360 the writer would just be sort of a third class citizen. 0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:13.400 So what happened in the genesis of storytelling is all 0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:18.560 the writers gravitated to HBO and similar platforms because the 0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:21.520 shows were being run by writers and the writers were 0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:25.040 being respected. And that's what we did on Love My Way. 0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:30.360 It was very rightle led and writer respected, and that's 0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:32.280 that's when you get good story. 0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:35.679 Well, Frankie was so well crafted. I mean she was. 0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:38.159 She couldn't have been any more of a different character 0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:41.080 to Alex from Secret Life of Us. And you know, 0:25:41.119 --> 0:25:43.919 both Frankie and Alex are different to you, you know, 0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:47.040 Claudia Carvin. But you know what was it that you 0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:51.640 enjoyed the most about playing this woman? About playing Frankie? 0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:53.880 See, yeah, see I find that really weird. I look 0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:56.000 at Alex and go, that is me. And I look 0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:58.920 at Frankie and go that is me. And you're going, oh, 0:25:58.960 --> 0:26:02.199 but they're so different. Oh, I see them as the 0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:06.560 same person. I mean, yeah, I think almost every job 0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:09.360 I do, I like my character and bump, I go, 0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:12.480 well that's me. I pretty feel like sort of every 0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:14.520 job I do, go yep, I'm just playing myself. 0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:16.040 This is my version of it. 0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:16.240 You know. 0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:18.560 I'm just one punter that watches your work, you know, 0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:20.480 so this is my opinion of it. So I can't 0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:23.119 speak for everybody, but I could not think of Alex 0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:26.520 and Frankie being like they were just worlds apart. I mean, 0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:30.240 I kind of imagine Frankie, Alex and Caroline even sitting 0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:32.960 together having a conversation like they would hate each other. 0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:38.040 They totally can. I just think it's that's what human 0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:41.280 beings are. We have all those people inside us, all 0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:44.359 of them, and that's why, you know, you can empathize 0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:47.479 with people and connect with people, and they all exist 0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:48.960 in us. We got them all in there. 0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:50.919 I mean I watched those shows and thought, oh, I 0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:53.320 can relate to Alex, And when I watched Frankie, I 0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:54.920 was like, I can relate to it. So I mean, yes, 0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:56.640 they are relatable, and I think you're right, all those 0:26:56.720 --> 0:26:58.639 characters are in us. I just felt like they were 0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:01.800 vastly different. But was it harder to get networks to 0:27:01.880 --> 0:27:04.920 understand a show like that, you know, because the subject 0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:07.200 matter was quite bleak at times? 0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:09.480 No, not at all. We had a wonderful woman called 0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:13.400 Kim Vettra who was looking after us. She was our commissioner, 0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:16.960 and she totally got us. In fact, I would credit 0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:21.040 her with pushing the time further. Like I remember Jack 0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:23.480 Lon Percy coming into the room and we'd already created 0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:26.720 the show and we were up to episode six and 0:27:26.760 --> 0:27:29.879 she walked in and she said, oh, I think we 0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:36.159 should kill Lou, and we all just bawled our eyes out. 0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:39.639 And it was sort of weird because I was like, oh, wow, 0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:42.479 we're just plotting this episode where Lou was doing a 0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:46.080 family tree school project. Oh, starting to feel emotional. Oh, 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:50.000 this is just so awful, and I sort of I 0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:52.640 was like, yeah, okay, we all went yeah, that sort 0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:56.960 of makes sense, you know, structurally, to pull the lynchpin 0:27:57.080 --> 0:28:01.840 out from this world. She is the one that's uniting 0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:04.200 all these people, so what happens when you pull her out? 0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:09.919 So it made sense on a narrative level, But me 0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:12.680 the actor in the room, in the back of my mind, 0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:14.840 I was like, yes, I'll agree to this, but I 0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:17.879 know Kim will come in and she'll say absolutely not. 0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:21.080 So that's good. It'll never have to happen. I'll never 0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:24.600 have to do this. And then Kim Vetra came into 0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:28.680 the room and she was like Yep. She just totally Baptist. 0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:31.200 And then it was like, Oh, no, we're going to 0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:34.080 have to do this. This is just awful. 0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:37.760 I've been living in the same apartment for twenty four 0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:43.040 years in Melbourne and so everything I can remember, and 0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:47.600 I lost my father, father to sudden death, and that 0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:51.800 happened at the same time as that show happened, and 0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:56.520 so I tapped into that piece of television much harder 0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:59.600 than I think even most people would have. But I 0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:03.040 would these characters dealing with grief in a way that 0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:06.960 was so relatable to me that I felt seen. And 0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:09.719 I think that's where television is at its best, is 0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:13.520 when we feel seen on screen, when we relate, and 0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:18.280 that particular series of that show resonated with me in 0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:20.280 a way like no other television ever had. 0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:24.440 Yeah, I've made a new friend. She lives in Bali, 0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:28.280 and she just because she's Australian, great Australian, and she 0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:30.520 used to just catch up on Australian shows and she 0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:32.080 didn't know anything about Love my Way, no one had 0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:34.600 told her anything about it. She watched it and then 0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:36.720 she just saw her life unfold in front of her. 0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:39.640 She's single mother with a sixteen year old daughter who 0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:43.200 had died in the same way, blue eyed, and I was, 0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:45.520 oh my god, I'm so sorry, and she said it 0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:48.840 was great and she just used to do what Frankie 0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:50.920 would do, Like she said, I do what she does. 0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:53.040 Like sometimes people come up and ask how my daughter 0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:55.400 isn't I as pretend she saw live, but she's studying 0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:58.720 at UNI and we've formed a really strong bond, and 0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:01.160 she says, to me, know what I went through. 0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:03.560 I know this sounds like I think because of the 0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:06.240 type of actress that you are, for you to be 0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:09.640 able to go to that place so convincingly, there's almost 0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:11.760 a part of you that must have gone through it. 0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:13.520 Do you know what I mean? Like, we all know 0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:17.320 that you didn't have that experience and that's not your 0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:20.640 real daughter, but I think there's no way you could 0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:23.600 have played that part as well as you did without seriously, 0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:26.640 at some way convincing yourself that that had happened. So 0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:28.280 she's not too far off. 0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:31.640 Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a little bit uncomfortable, but yeah, 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:36.640 what I did was I spoke to counselors at hospitals 0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:39.360 and talked about the moment when you are told given 0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:41.840 this news, and I did a bit of research, but 0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:46.040 then I found this incredible slim book that was called 0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:51.920 something like twenty Tips for Grieving Parents something like that. Honestly, 0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:55.600 before I do a scene, I just open it up 0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:58.720 and it was like, day twenty five, this is what 0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:02.400 you're going to do today, Day fifty, this is what 0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:05.880 you're going to do today. Day it's your child's birthday. 0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:08.160 You just had to read one page of that and 0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:11.800 you're there. Okay, I'm in that headspace. It was an 0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:14.800 extraordinary book. I've still got it. It just took you there. 0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:17.520 The reason why we've talked about it and we've gone 0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:19.720 into it as deep as we have is because grief 0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:22.280 is not something people talk about very easily. And I 0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:25.280 think that show allowed people to be seen and allowed 0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:27.440 people to feel normal. You know. I think people going 0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:29.800 through a lot of that time saw that show and 0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:32.960 felt like, oh, I'm not alone. You know, this weird 0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:35.680 behavior that I'm doing at the time must be real 0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:38.920 because it's being put on screen like this. Why do 0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:42.960 you think that show finished after three seasons? I mean 0:31:43.000 --> 0:31:45.480 I felt like I needed another. I felt like I 0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:48.440 really needed a season four of that show more than 0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:50.560 I needed another series of Secret Life of Us or 0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:52.920 more than I needed another series of Time Time of 0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:54.920 Our Lives. Why did you guys not go into a 0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:55.520 season four? 0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:59.600 Ah, yeah, that's an interesting question. Well, jack Lin Perski 0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:04.200 moved overseas because her husband Rowan Woods got a film 0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:06.640 over there. I can't remember what was so, and she was, 0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:10.120 you know, one of the core team, so she wasn't 0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:14.720 involved in series three, but it was tricky her not 0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:21.160 being around. And also I gave birth to Albi at 0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:23.680 the beginning of series three, so we made it a 0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:26.600 shorter run. And then I just I don't know, I 0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:28.480 just think we all felt like we've just run out 0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:31.160 of ideas, you know, Like I think TV is at 0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:34.680 its worst when it becomes business, where it's like, great, 0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:39.360 we've got this brand. Let's just keep generating content, shall we, 0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:44.480 and keep getting those checks. That's when TV's at its 0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:48.680 worst in my opinion. And we just couldn't none of 0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:51.080 us could really find where we wanted to go. 0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:53.600 So you are right though, I mean, the second series 0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:55.840 of Whiteloaders to me was stronger than the first series 0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:57.960 of white Loaders. Not sure if you've watched any of it, 0:32:58.240 --> 0:32:58.880 I'm starting it. 0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:01.520 Yeah, I've done the first episode it's brilliant. 0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:03.280 But then the second series for that's better than the 0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:06.080 first I think, And that's very rare because most of 0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:08.480 the time people go, great, this is a hit, rush 0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:11.000 it in, you know, where the second series of Whitelatus 0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:13.640 doesn't seem like there's anything rushed about it. It actually 0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:16.120 feels like the first season's a prequel to it. 0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:18.840 Yeah. I think you've just got to be really honest 0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:22.680 about with yourself and just make sure you're doing things 0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:26.200 for the right reasons. Our third series of Bump is 0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:30.240 coming out on Boxing Day, and we delivered that in 0:33:30.280 --> 0:33:33.640 about April and Stan weren't sure whether they wanted a 0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:36.680 fourth series, and so all year I've pretty much just 0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:39.720 been cruising around and having a lovely quiet time. I 0:33:39.760 --> 0:33:42.200 haven't done much work, and I've sort of thought, oh, 0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:44.240 it's sort of great. We're not doing a Bump for 0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:47.160 not really sure where we'd take it or what we 0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:50.440 do or say. And now we're developing Bump four. And 0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:55.320 because we have that breathing time, it allowed us to go, actually, 0:33:56.480 --> 0:33:58.680 we really want to do this and say this. It's 0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:03.360 we're galvanized and we have a really strong theme and 0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:08.800 stories that we genuinely want to tell and feel passionately about. 0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:11.640 But we had that breathing space, which was great. We 0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:13.960 didn't have to just go straight in and start churning 0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:14.960 it out. 0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:17.359 Season three. I've watched all of it, so I've been 0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:19.440 very lucky to have seen the whole thing. And I 0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:23.319 watched it over two days because you know, I wanted 0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:24.719 to watch it the way Australia is going to get 0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:28.160 to watch it, binge it. I really enjoyed season three 0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:29.080 the most. 0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:32.440 I think that I'm so happy you said that, because 0:34:32.520 --> 0:34:36.560 it is so dangerous to just pump out stuff, and 0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:39.480 that's what everyone felt, were all the cast and. 0:34:39.440 --> 0:34:42.799 All the crew. They read the series three scripts and 0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:45.400 like these are the best scripts. And I was just 0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:49.440 saying to Kelsey, that is so unusual that we were 0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:53.760 still managing to come up with true and relevant story 0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:56.920 by the third series, because usually you started to starting 0:34:56.920 --> 0:34:59.960 to run out of ideas or things becoming a bit contrived, 0:35:00.160 --> 0:35:04.400 like how do we convincingly, you know, intertwine these people's 0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:09.239 lives and generate drama. It's really it gets harder. And 0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:12.120 that's why I just feel so proud of us that 0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:15.960 we got to series three and reinvented the world and 0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:19.680 kept it alive. Tonally, it's the same show, but we 0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:22.000 moved into different territory. It was like time travel. It 0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:25.080 was so exciting and same with series four. We feel 0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:29.080 like we're covering genuinely new territory and yet we don't 0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:31.560 sort of have to shoehorn the stories into the world 0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:33.040 in a sort of a contrived way. 0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:35.400 Well, I think that you made some really bold choices 0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:37.799 with season three, and I think that might have been 0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:40.040 hard in the writer's room to think, oh, can we 0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:42.000 do this? Is this kind of jumping the shark. But 0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:46.960 everything lands, Everything works really well. And what's interesting to 0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:50.120 me about Bump and of how I felt about when 0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:53.240 it was promoted for series one, was that it looks 0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:56.399 really different for you and John Edwards like it looked 0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:58.959 a little different, but yet by the time I watched 0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:01.520 the very first episode of season one of bub, I 0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:04.640 was like, there's the grit, there's the reality. There's the 0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:09.000 real world that you guys have been creating for decades now, 0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:12.640 and it is in this show. However, in a third season, 0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:15.600 it's kind of where most seasons have their worst season, 0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:18.640 you're at your best and I think all of the 0:36:18.680 --> 0:36:20.960 actors could not be any better. 0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:23.600 I mean, I think what makes it so different is 0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:25.759 it's half hours. It's the first time John and I 0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:28.319 have done half hours, and that really does change things. 0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:31.279 It changes the way you tell stories. Oh, I'm so 0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:34.720 glad to get that feedback. That's fabulous, that's so great. 0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:36.960 And I'm doing my best to hold my timee because 0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:39.200 I don't want anyone to hear anything about this series. 0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:40.799 I think that the fans of the show need to 0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:43.800 come back and be surprised, and I think new audiences 0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:45.960 if they're listening to this right now. I might be 0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:47.680 bold by saying this, but I don't even feel like 0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:50.359 you need to see season one or season two. You 0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:52.880 can just pick up this show at season three because 0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:55.520 it's just as vibrant and the characters are just so 0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:59.000 accessible that you can tap in at this point and 0:36:59.080 --> 0:36:59.560 it will. 0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:01.920 Be well, you know, I don't want to take up 0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:05.440 anymore of people's time is necessary, because they should be 0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:09.400 walking in the sunshine and swimming and dancing, not sitting 0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:12.480 in front of a screen. So I'm with you. Stan 0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:15.360 probably would prefer people to go back and watch series 0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:16.040 one and two. 0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:20.640 I just think if you watch season three. You will 0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:23.040 go back and watch series one and two afterwards. I 0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:26.120 just think there's an entry point, there's a really clear 0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:28.800 entry point. But what is it about your work in 0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:33.080 collaboration with John and Dan that makes these shows so electric? 0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:36.040 Like no one else is doing it. It's almost inked 0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:41.160 to you that you understand Australian culture in a way 0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:44.040 that no one else in Australia is telling those stories. 0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:45.640 What is it? I don't know. How are you doing this? 0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:47.640 Oh? Well, I think it's a little bit like what 0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:50.279 Judy Mcrosson did on Secret Life of Us. You sort 0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:54.280 of create an atmosphere in the story room where people 0:37:54.360 --> 0:38:00.680 unlock things and people don't offer up inauthentic ideas or 0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:05.239 you get quite raw. I'd say that's probably it. I 0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:07.800 think John Edwards is quite unusual and that he's really 0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:10.400 he really gives people a lot of permission to play. 0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:13.320 He doesn't try and control things. 0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:15.680 Yeah, well, I think that you understand so the social 0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:18.120 conscience of Australia. I think that's what it is to me, 0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:19.480 like no other storyteller. 0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:22.600 That's great. I mean, that's what we're aspiring to do. 0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:25.240 So that's really lovely to hear that that's really great. 0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:28.040 Do you remember fifteen years ago doing like a presentation's 0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:30.640 on YouTube where you talk about the importance of the 0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:33.560 writers and the importance of the actors and those people 0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:37.200 working together, and you were very passionately talking about it. 0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:43.359 The writers and the actors, two very creative people are 0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:46.920 quarantine from each other. Potentially, what you could do is 0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:51.000 think about sitting, putting aside four to five hours or 0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:55.400 whatever whatever you've got for the actors to meet or 0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:59.160 actor whoever you think is appropriate to be with the 0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:02.840 writer and with the present, and go through that script 0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:08.040 scene by saying, yeah, I did watch a bit of 0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:12.040 that sometime. I sort of I was cringing in horror 0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:14.120 because I you know, it was early days and I 0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:18.560 wasn't really I really wasn't that authorized to speak like that, 0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:21.440 to be honest. And I don't think that template works 0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:23.560 for everyone. It doesn't work for every actor, and it 0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:25.759 doesn't work for every producer, and it certainly doesn't work 0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:28.840 for every writer. But it works the way we do 0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:31.400 it and the way we collaborate and the atmosphere that 0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:34.640 we create. But I mean, you know, on Bump, we 0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:39.160 empower our actors. We use Kirstin McGregor to cast, and 0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:43.960 we cast actors who are smart and good people and 0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:48.319 professionals and passionate. And then you, you know, because I'm 0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:51.600 a producer on set as well, in those downtime moments, 0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:53.799 you talk to those actors about how do you feel 0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:55.680 about that scene? How do you feel about your character 0:39:55.719 --> 0:39:57.240 doing this? Do you want to pictu us an idea 0:39:57.360 --> 0:40:00.959 for your character? Do you want to name your mum? Yes, 0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:03.919 I want to give her my grandmother's name. So that 0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:07.920 is that cross pollination of making sure those actors feel 0:40:08.200 --> 0:40:12.839 empowered and feel seen and heard, because so often as 0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:15.840 an actor you're just just told to do stuff and 0:40:15.960 --> 0:40:19.320 told to wear stuff and you know it's not doesn't 0:40:19.360 --> 0:40:22.160 fit the character, but no one's you know, it's an 0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:25.840 expedient medium, so you don't have a lot of time 0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:29.040 to go around and check in with all the actors 0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:31.640 about does this feel real to you? And a lot 0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:33.160 of actors are not going to rock the boat and 0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:38.319 be unpopular or be difficult and inverted commas, so you 0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:41.120 know they'll be professional and do it. But when you 0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:46.120 get asked, actors very rarely disappoint you. They they're smart 0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:50.200 and they have good instincts and they should be invited 0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:53.600 to contribute creatively, but not all actors want to and 0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:55.239 not all actors are good at it, So it's just 0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:56.360 a manner of managing. 0:40:56.640 --> 0:40:59.800 Well, whatever's happening is unbelievable because even with these younger people, 0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:03.760 you know that you've been able to alight in this series. 0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:06.279 They're all phenomenal. Like all of these young people in 0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:09.680 this show, the show wouldn't work if you didn't have 0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:12.880 that level being matched by the adult actors in this 0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:15.600 I mean, your daughter is so brilliant. 0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:19.799 Natalie Morris, She's she's utterly superb. I love that girl 0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:22.680 so much. When I met her over Zoom, I was like, 0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:24.759 oh my god. You know she was reading the same 0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:28.000 books I was reading at that same age. We've got 0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:30.560 so many things in common, and go to the theater 0:41:30.640 --> 0:41:32.960 with her tonight. We spend a lot of time together 0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:35.920 off screen. We go for bushwalks, we do yoga, we 0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:40.040 go for swims. Like that's a genuine connection there, that's 0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:44.000 real chemistry. Like I utterly adore Natalie. 0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:48.480 Her performance has a lot of your mannerisms, Like you know, 0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:51.440 it's did you both work on that together or is 0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:55.000 that the work being done by you creating that relationship. 0:41:55.040 --> 0:41:58.080 I mean, obviously the connections there and you're genuinely friends, 0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:01.120 but what is coming across on screen is a mother 0:42:01.200 --> 0:42:04.239 daughter relationship that is it's so authentical, it's so real. 0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:07.600 Well, that's full credit to Natalie. That is full credit 0:42:07.640 --> 0:42:10.920 to her. And she's a really really intelligent performer and 0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:16.680 highly aware, highly observant, highly tuned in. You know, she's 0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:19.360 a daughter of she grew up in Canberra in the bush. 0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:23.120 She's got one of four siblings and her dad's a GP. 0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:27.919 She just has this solid base and this increditious. She's 0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:31.200 so perceptive and yes, she did something in the scene. 0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:33.399 It was so funny. I was watching her on set 0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:35.800 and I was like, oh, I love that little moment 0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:38.160 where you did that, and she went, I was copying 0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:41.160 what you did in that of the scene because I'm 0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:45.000 your daughter. And I was like, oh, wow, you are 0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:49.280 just like you're so evolved. She's so clever. 0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:52.480 That's so brilliant, Like she's doing that so well. And 0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:55.640 Carlos is amazing, everyone is amazing. I think the comedy 0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:58.759 in this series is also is there, you know, and 0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:01.640 it's effortlessly there and it's not funny. The same way 0:43:01.640 --> 0:43:03.879 that Love My Way was funny. It's not funny like that. 0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:06.640 It's not funny like a sitcom. But you are genuinely 0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:09.560 laughing out loud and enjoying this show. 0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:11.160 Well that's I mean, that's how we are in the 0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:13.760 writer's room. And we've got We've also got Nick Coyle. 0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:15.560 I have to give a lot of credit to Nick Coyle. 0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:19.239 He's he wrote two episodes of series three and he 0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:22.360 came into the Bump story room just for series three 0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:26.160 and he did change the climate of the room. Like 0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:29.759 he's we just like we want to have fun. How 0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:31.759 can we have the most fun with this scene? How 0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:34.880 can we give this actor the most you know, like 0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:37.040 the most absurd thing to play that they're going to 0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:38.560 enjoy going to work that day. 0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:40.440 I have to ask you one last question, because it's 0:43:40.440 --> 0:43:42.520 the same question goes on all of my podcasts. We'll 0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:45.319 do it, smash it out, but what is something from 0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:47.560 behind the scenes, something that the viewers won't know or 0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:50.200 won't see, kind of like a behind the scene secret 0:43:50.320 --> 0:43:51.800 of the makings of Bump. 0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:54.440 Oh, I mean there's so many like for instance, the 0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:57.239 baby we had twenty different babies, so you just like 0:43:57.280 --> 0:43:59.240 have a different baby in every scene. I mean people 0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:01.080 may have noticed that once you tune into it, it's 0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:04.960 really annoying. I mean there was all a behind the 0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:07.840 scenes COVID stuff which you can't see on screen. You know, 0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:10.239 we went out, we wanted one of the first productions 0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:12.600 to go out in COVID, the first wave. Then we 0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:16.279 went out. Second series was just tuned into Delta, and 0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:19.839 our third series was totally tuned into Omicron. So we 0:44:19.840 --> 0:44:23.799 were just smashed series after series. In fact, Series three 0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:27.960 was the worst out of them all. We were literally 0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:32.440 it was like collecting water with a sieve. So you 0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:35.560 are like, oh, okay, so we don't have that actor 0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:38.600 today because they have COVID. Oh right, so we don't 0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:42.920 have this location now because you know it's in a 0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:48.600 lockdown suburb or the amount of last minute scrabbling that 0:44:48.760 --> 0:44:52.800 was happening behind the scenes of series three would blow 0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:58.040 your mind. And yet what's so curious is you lose 0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:00.600 something that we all loved and we all created in 0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:02.120 the room and you have to kill it and then 0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:05.960 you go, oh, okay, so we'll do this. So you've 0:45:06.040 --> 0:45:09.359 just got to sort of just keep reinterpreting it and 0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:13.520 you know, trying to stay creative with the problem solving, 0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:15.640 and I think we did. But yeah, that behind the 0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:17.120 scenes scrabbling was going on. 0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:19.920 The world will be a different world while you're shooting 0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:22.480 season four, so that like it's a lot has changed, 0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:25.520 and so I think that the entire experience will be different. 0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:27.399 Yet again, who knows. Maybe then it'll be a really 0:45:27.440 --> 0:45:31.799 crap season because you know, all of that, all of 0:45:31.840 --> 0:45:34.279 it right, taken out of it, and so the yeah 0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:38.640 gets taken out but obviously obviously not. Claudia. I am 0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:42.120 so thankful for the generosity of your time to be 0:45:42.160 --> 0:45:45.800 talking to me this morning. You are the most amazing 0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:48.920 television and film actor in Australia and I will be 0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:51.239 in your audience for a very long time. So good 0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:53.400 luck with everything and thank you. 0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:56.719 I plan to keep working up until the day before 0:45:56.719 --> 0:45:57.680 I die, so you. 0:45:57.600 --> 0:45:59.320 Know, okay, look after yourself. 0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:03.520 Thank you, said bye.