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Speaker 1: So the emergency situation in Alice Springs now means that

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Speaker 1: right now is the Opposition leader Leah fanocchi Ara O.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Leaders. On Morning Katy into your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Lea, what was your reaction to the Northern Territory Government's

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the change of tune from Eva Laula

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Speaker 3: disgusting is that for three weeks we have been screaming

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Speaker 2: Don't remove the palis and what have they done?

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Speaker 3: Now? These poor palis have gone from Alice Springs, moved

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Speaker 1: I mean some people listening though, are going to be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was absolutely unbelievable. But again, having band aids

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Speaker 3: Now that's welcome news to Alice Springs, but again, what

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Speaker 2: We came out.

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Speaker 1: And look, I I disagree with those moves being made,

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Speaker 3: And I've got no doubt the community are sort of

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Speaker 3: So what's going to happen in Darwin while the coppers

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Speaker 3: I think the reality is that the federal government are

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Speaker 1: Now the Federal Police, that's not asking for extra money.

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Speaker 2: We've asked for this before and it just doesn't have happen.

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Speaker 1: But would you be asking for additional police? We wouldn't

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Speaker 2: Used do I think it? Would you ask for that?

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Speaker 2: It's pointless, right.

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Speaker 2: Only if they have the power to do that, Katie.

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Speaker 2: It's just more police.

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Speaker 1: But do you need that control right now? That's the

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Speaker 3: And again I really believe this is a problem made

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Speaker 2: It's a disgrace.

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Speaker 2: That is the evidence we care about.

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Speaker 3: It's not about just throwing people in prison and throwing

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Speaker 3: We're not backing down on that. We will change the laws,

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Speaker 3: we will make the territory safe.

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Speaker 1: to leave it there. Thank you for your time, much

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Speaker 1: appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Take care everyone.

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Speaker 1: Thank you