Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
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Speaker 1: guys to TV Reload. My name is Benjamin Norris and
Speaker 1: on this podcast I go behind the scenes with the
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Speaker 1: on our screens. TV Reload reloads the shows that you
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Speaker 1: our television industry and our streaming services today. On the podcast,
Speaker 1: I have Australian Entertainment Royalty Kate Lambrook, who after decades
Speaker 1: of radio, has made a big move to television. Yes,
Speaker 1: we've seen her on The Project, the Panel and of
Speaker 1: course shows like have You Been Paying Attention, But we've
Speaker 1: never seen Kate like this. The show is brand new
Speaker 1: for Channel nine. It's called My Mum Your Dad and
Speaker 1: it is the latest reality TV show that is a
Speaker 1: surefire hit. The premise is interesting single parents being inspired
Speaker 1: on by their children as they go no one dates
Speaker 1: with other single parents. Yes, it is very juicy. The
Speaker 1: show is addictive and I think we will be talking
Speaker 1: about it for years. ITV Studios is seriously kicking some goals,
Speaker 1: and Kate is an interesting choice for the show, but
Speaker 1: it totally works. I'm sorry, full disclosure, I'm a big
Speaker 1: Kate Lambrook fan, and I really throw away the script
Speaker 1: and I get to have a good yarn with someone
Speaker 1: who I've really looked up to for a very long time,
Speaker 1: which for me is a career highlight. We will talk
Speaker 1: about Hughesy and if she misses him, we unpack her
Speaker 1: hesitancy to take on this role in reality TV. And
Speaker 1: I also really wanted to know what Kate watches at home.
Speaker 1: Then there is plenty more from a wise woman with
Speaker 1: a great sense of humor. However, let's get started with
Speaker 1: today's guest. I'd like to welcome Kate Lambrook to TV Reload.
Speaker 2: Straightaway. When I watched it, I went, this is amazing,
Speaker 2: open your ears to a whole world. Was more surprised
Speaker 2: than me when I ended up posting this show.
Speaker 1: I would love for Dad to find that special someone
Speaker 1: love you.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's reality, so it's got to have a
Speaker 2: little bit of you know, it's got to have a
Speaker 2: little bit of a saucy seasoning. They have no idea.
Speaker 2: Who's really bringing their hearts together. I was just like,
Speaker 2: I am here for it. I was crying with them,
Speaker 2: I was laughing with them. Kate Lanbrook presents my mom,
Speaker 2: your dad. The kids know their parents in some cases
Speaker 2: better than the parents know themselves.
Speaker 1: Hi Kate, thank you for lending your beautiful and infectious
Speaker 1: personality to my podcast.
Speaker 2: Oh been imagine if I'm just a massive downer through
Speaker 2: the whole, I'd be like, Hi, Ben, this is not
Speaker 2: a good time for me.
Speaker 1: Still be good, Like I I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think back to my journey of my love of you,
Speaker 1: listening to you on radio before than the panel, like
Speaker 1: I think, I just think that you have a bit
Speaker 1: of a gift with your humor, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's a surprise to me to see you on this
Speaker 1: sort of a reality show, but I'm here.
Speaker 2: It's a surprise, isn't it. Well, I do, like, I mean,
Speaker 2: I sort of the last the last few years, really,
Speaker 2: I think I've been on for doing things that are
Speaker 2: a bit different, like starting I guess with moving to Italy.
Speaker 2: I think that kind of and when I stopped doing
Speaker 2: the show with Hughsey, which was a very hard decision
Speaker 2: to make. I kind of wanted to do things that
Speaker 2: were probably more difficult for me to do, whereas doing
Speaker 2: the show with him was just so easy, and he
Speaker 2: would always go, not even a job, doesn't feel like
Speaker 2: a job. But then I do like to hold my
Speaker 2: book up to him and go, which I have a
Speaker 2: copy here of. And this is what I say to
Speaker 2: Hughsey when I see him. I go, see this, Hughsey,
Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty pages or whatever. That's what two
Speaker 2: years of not working with you looks like. But this
Speaker 2: is me, Yeah, this is me, right, this is mine.
Speaker 2: So he's like, I know, I know, I've always said
Speaker 2: you're a superstar alway, but yes, it's been really good.
Speaker 2: And no one was more surprised than me when I
Speaker 2: ended up hosting this show.
Speaker 1: Well, what's interesting to me was that I was talking
Speaker 1: to a PDA at one of the radio stations at
Speaker 1: the a PD that you must have had the radio station,
Speaker 1: and we're talking about relationships with people on radio, and
Speaker 1: he said, I've been working on radio. I think he
Speaker 1: said like thirty or forty years. He looked old, so
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it was thirty forty years in the radio industry.
Speaker 1: In Australia. The only two co hosts that actually like
Speaker 1: each other and get along off the radio and on
Speaker 1: the radio and everything is Husy and Kate. He's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know anyone else.
Speaker 2: Well, we have always had a well not always early
Speaker 2: on we had we had to sort of, you know,
Speaker 2: knock the edges off our stones by letting the river
Speaker 2: of time and understanding flow off it over us, you know,
Speaker 2: But we have a genuine love and regard for each
Speaker 2: other that is undiminish. And well now when we talk
Speaker 2: to each other, which we do all the time, we
Speaker 2: just I just love talking to him and I do
Speaker 2: miss the I miss seeing him every day and talking
Speaker 2: to him, but I don't miss having to be somewhere
Speaker 2: every day, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Absolutely, I mean, but how pomped are you to
Speaker 1: be back on TV in such a big, glossy show.
Speaker 2: It has been such a beautiful experience that I am
Speaker 2: pinching myself over it because I've I normally say no
Speaker 2: to things I've said I've say no to. That was
Speaker 2: always the joke with me and Husy that Husy can't
Speaker 2: say no to to work, and he's a workaholic. And
Speaker 2: I can't say yes to work yet. That when I
Speaker 2: saw the initial premise for this show, I loved it
Speaker 2: so much that within a couple of days it was
Speaker 2: done that I was hosting it. Wow, and girlfriend Georgie Harrop,
Speaker 2: who you know.
Speaker 1: I love her. I'm upseessed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love love, love, love love love. And she's
Speaker 2: so brilliant. She's so brilliant, and she keeps saying to me,
Speaker 2: this is a U show, this is a U show.
Speaker 2: And I was like, and her best at I've got
Speaker 2: a book, I'm going to the Sydney Ritis Festival, you know, blah.
Speaker 2: But I was just busy. I said, I know, it
Speaker 2: sounds ridiculous. I don't have time to watch anything. She's like,
Speaker 2: just please watch it. I think it's you. I think
Speaker 2: you'd love it. And straight away when I watched it,
Speaker 2: I went, this is amazing. It's amazing. I'd love to
Speaker 2: be a part of it. If anyone's going to drive
Speaker 2: it into the ditch, it's going to be.
Speaker 1: Me and do it proudly. But I think, my mum,
Speaker 1: your dad, this show is great to see you because
Speaker 1: it is a vehicle that I think does work for you.
Speaker 1: And I've watched the first few episodes, and you're really
Speaker 1: good in this, and you're good in the way that
Speaker 1: it needs it needs to fly. You're a real person
Speaker 1: who's it an EmPATH. I think that's the right way
Speaker 1: to say it. So you can see you connecting to
Speaker 1: these people who are going on this journey. You're willing
Speaker 1: to go on it with them.
Speaker 2: I leanin so hard I nearly fell over. I was
Speaker 2: just like, I am here for it. I was crying
Speaker 2: with them, I was laughing with them. I just really
Speaker 2: wanted it to work for them. I wanted it to
Speaker 2: work because I just think if you have love and
Speaker 2: then you meet someone who wants love but doesn't have love,
Speaker 2: you know the power of it, and it's easy to
Speaker 2: take it for granted. I think, until you don't have
Speaker 2: it and then when you see Not that I'm ruining
Speaker 2: what happens in the show, but just if we were
Speaker 2: to imagine that it were to work and people on
Speaker 2: the show were to fall in love, you see how
Speaker 2: it brings a personal life. You know, It's like when
Speaker 2: you pick up a stone and run it underwater, how
Speaker 2: suddenly you can see all the glitter in it. That's
Speaker 2: what love does to someone. It moistens the rock.
Speaker 1: I mean, and what a joy to watch it up front.
Speaker 1: But I kept thinking to myself, were you it's Caate Lambrook?
Speaker 1: Is she a big fan of reality shows? Does she
Speaker 1: watch reality shows?
Speaker 2: I love reality, but I don't get time to watch
Speaker 2: a lot of it. And also Peter, who was hooking
Speaker 2: me up. Peter's one of those let's watch a documentary
Speaker 2: about World War Two. He's one of those people you
Speaker 2: know he reads biography, he reads classic novels like he's
Speaker 2: an elevated good person, whereas I'm a base person who
Speaker 2: would love to just wagdhe knee deep in rotten old
Speaker 2: housewives from every state of America if I could. But
Speaker 2: I don't have the time, although I did. Pet remember
Speaker 2: when we watched a bit of Ninety Day Fiance together
Speaker 2: and you quite like that? Didn't you remember that they
Speaker 2: were in the you know, the Mormons, the Mormon guy
Speaker 2: who fell in love with the South American girl and
Speaker 2: she was just totally taking from Yeah, you quite like that,
Speaker 2: didn't you. Yeah?
Speaker 1: See, it doesn't happen opted in my house as well.
Speaker 1: Like my partner, he wants to watch a lot of
Speaker 1: horror stuff, like he'll be watching the jefferent. Oh no, no.
Speaker 2: No, that Peter would be like, let's watch this documentary
Speaker 2: bookpo Yes, Peter's.
Speaker 1: Like hanging, said Peter, do you know what I really like?
Speaker 1: And I've just gotten into it recently, and this is
Speaker 1: so daggy. I was really hungover and Ben was my
Speaker 1: partner's Ben. He was away and I watched like three
Speaker 1: Titanic documentaries, like not not documentaries about you know, James
Speaker 1: Cameron's Titanic.
Speaker 2: But actually no, no about that.
Speaker 1: Yes, I was, I'd gone down the rabbit hole. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm a doctor.
Speaker 2: Why were you watching three? Were you hoping for a
Speaker 2: different ending to watch three? Well?
Speaker 1: No, they were all good because they are like, you know,
Speaker 1: this is the secrets of what happened.
Speaker 2: And I would like to say that actually you'd like that,
Speaker 2: wouldn't right? You're singing from his songbook.
Speaker 1: You've got to watch it. It's on YouTube. I don't
Speaker 1: even think you need to find it on even on
Speaker 1: a streaming platform.
Speaker 2: And I've watched so much cycling. Peter's a cyclist, so
Speaker 2: we watch the Tour France, we watch the Giroditalia, we
Speaker 2: watch the Welter in Spain. But he won't even give me.
Speaker 2: He won't watch the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills with me.
Speaker 1: How is he supposed to know that Kathy Hilton and
Speaker 1: Lisa Rinna and this fight and who's right and who's wrong?
Speaker 2: He doesn't know, and I have to hear it vicariously
Speaker 2: through other girlfriends of mine.
Speaker 1: In my mind, I believe that you're Lisa in a
Speaker 1: fan Kate. So I'm just going to run with that. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we're getting off Lisa.
Speaker 2: I'm doing Lisa Renna lips for you.
Speaker 1: Very convincing, but also good that they go back to
Speaker 1: normal Kate Lambrouck lips, because those lips are white, scary
Speaker 1: on her.
Speaker 2: My thin, cruel Dutch lips.
Speaker 1: It is all good, but we are going off on
Speaker 1: a tangent because we're now talking about Titanic and that's
Speaker 1: not what people have. That's not what you know what.
Speaker 2: We don't crash into an iceberg on my mum and
Speaker 2: your dad. Well, you could, some people, some people might.
Speaker 1: We'd go to ship. Did you have any hesitations on
Speaker 1: signing up for a show, And you know that's in
Speaker 1: a space which there is so much room for drama.
Speaker 2: I had I had a meeting with the executive from
Speaker 2: nine and ITV who made the show for nine, and
Speaker 2: when I spoke with them, I just trusted them. I
Speaker 2: really trusted them, which is a crazy thing to say,
Speaker 2: because who in showb is, you know, would trust a producer.
Speaker 2: And yet I was right. And Chloe, who produces this show,
Speaker 2: was just incredible in terms of the thought, the sensibility,
Speaker 2: the her genuine desire for it to be right and
Speaker 2: not to be I mean, it obviously has that. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's reality, so it's got to have a little bit
Speaker 2: of you know, it's got to have a little bit
Speaker 2: of a saucy seasoning. But the heart of it was
Speaker 2: what they all spoke about and was what I responded
Speaker 2: to from the start because I loved love and I
Speaker 2: love a fairy tale and they couldn't have it couldn't
Speaker 2: have been better. It could not have been better. And
Speaker 2: they were across everything, and they know how to make reality,
Speaker 2: you know, and Channel nine makes the best reality shows.
Speaker 1: So they really do it. Like Adrian Swift to Channel nine,
Speaker 1: he is so lovely and so amazing. He gets it.
Speaker 1: David Moss from Mardi from ITV Studios.
Speaker 2: He gets well, I used to work with Modi at
Speaker 2: Channel teen. So in one of my first, one of
Speaker 2: my first zooms, it was with him. So that was great.
Speaker 2: And he knows me because he knows me from way
Speaker 2: back when he would know what would suit me and
Speaker 2: what didn't you know? Absolutely, And I was a little
Speaker 2: bit cautious at first, but not after that first conversation,
Speaker 2: and I had no At no point was there was
Speaker 2: I like, oh my goodness, this is you know, I've
Speaker 2: been sold a pig in a pope. It was just
Speaker 2: like they were true to their intention, what their stated intention.
Speaker 1: I just pictured you at some point when the show
Speaker 1: came across your desk being like, I don't know, this
Speaker 1: is my interpretation of who you are as a person.
Speaker 1: But I'd be like, I can't imagine Kate Lambrok wanting
Speaker 1: to do this show if it's going to be gratuitously salacious,
Speaker 1: or you know, if it was going to be grotty
Speaker 1: reality television. Do you know what I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I don't. Yeah, you're right, because you know I am
Speaker 2: a bit prudish, so I don't want things to be Yeah,
Speaker 2: like you said, gratuitously, although I love it Ntandre, so
Speaker 2: make sense of that if you will, but I didn't
Speaker 2: want I didn't want people to be demean or. I
Speaker 2: just couldn't be that for them, or for men, or
Speaker 2: for anyone in the room really, But it doesn't have
Speaker 2: that spirit at all. And I mean in these moments
Speaker 2: of cringe, of course, because the kids are watching their
Speaker 2: parents kiss. Can you imagine?
Speaker 1: But that's what's cius about this, don't you reckon? Like,
Speaker 1: you know, is there anything brutal than your own children
Speaker 1: when it comes to recoupling? I mean, yes, why this
Speaker 1: show is so amazing because you know, I talk about
Speaker 1: this with my This subject matter is something I talk
Speaker 1: about with my girlfriends and my friends all the time
Speaker 1: about what our parents are like in their second or
Speaker 1: third relationship. And it is que, you know, it is,
Speaker 1: And the kids are the ones that have the most
Speaker 1: amount to say about it.
Speaker 2: And so the kids actually controlling the direction and getting
Speaker 2: a lot of influence over the path that their parents'
Speaker 2: love life is going to take is actually really clever
Speaker 2: because what you find out from this show is the
Speaker 2: kids know their parents in some cases better than the
Speaker 2: parents know themselves. And that, for me as a parent,
Speaker 2: was really gave me pause for thought, really, because we're
Speaker 2: so focused on. You know, I have four of them,
Speaker 2: and it's it's a lot of sacrifice to do it well.
Speaker 2: And I'm not a Showbi's mum, as in, I'm a
Speaker 2: proper mother and Petter is a proper father. We are
Speaker 2: hands on and we do what we believe needs to
Speaker 2: be done to the best of our ability and given
Speaker 2: our time for the children. And that does mean sacrifice.
Speaker 2: So getting single parents kind of means double that really.
Speaker 2: But you're so focused on the kids and what they
Speaker 2: need that you don't realize that the kids the whole time,
Speaker 2: their whole life, are looking at you. They see you
Speaker 2: so clearly. Even the bit you've tried to edit from yourself,
Speaker 2: you've tried to sanitize parts of yourself, you know, they
Speaker 2: totally know it. And so these kids they didn't have
Speaker 2: to watch their parents. You know, they could opt out
Speaker 2: from the room or I don't mean they had to
Speaker 2: leave the show, but they just didn't have to see
Speaker 2: anything that they weren't comfortable with. But they were like,
Speaker 2: we're here for this sort of sometimes through you know,
Speaker 2: Pete Fingers.
Speaker 1: But of course, of course I was at the Channel
Speaker 1: nine brunch that they did after the logis earlier. This
Speaker 1: year where we got to see the first glimpse of this,
Speaker 1: and straight away I was like, ah, I was like everyone,
Speaker 1: so many people have been in these scenarios, like so many.
Speaker 1: This is opening up conversation. It's opening up and ability
Speaker 1: for parents to think about what their children really think
Speaker 1: of them. And that's a good conversation to have, you know.
Speaker 2: And also I just love the selflessness of the kids
Speaker 2: being the one saying I want this for you. You
Speaker 2: don't have this aspect of yourself, of your life, and
Speaker 2: there's a big hole here in that would be filled
Speaker 2: by romance and you don't have it. I want it
Speaker 2: for you. But that's just so nice because it's going
Speaker 2: to make the kids' lives complicated too.
Speaker 1: Absolutely it does. It does in the real world. You know,
Speaker 1: parent's recovered, it's going to be complicated and it's always
Speaker 1: going to be drama and a lot of emotions involved,
Speaker 1: you know, because there's a lot going on. I mean,
Speaker 1: you would know this yourself with the fact that you're
Speaker 1: in a relationship that's been going for how long now,
Speaker 1: like how long have you two been together for?
Speaker 2: Well, it only feel is that six months? But it's
Speaker 2: twenty something.
Speaker 1: Years, isn't that amazing though. I mean I've been with
Speaker 1: my partner now for thirteen years, and in gay years,
Speaker 1: that's a hundred years.
Speaker 2: So really, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: But I just think it's this is why for me,
Speaker 1: I thought you were really good for this show, Like
Speaker 1: I am not all what it was going to be
Speaker 1: and get to know what the concept is. But I
Speaker 1: think you being in a successful relationship for this long
Speaker 1: and being a mother who understands being a mum and
Speaker 1: being in tune with these children gives you an understanding
Speaker 1: and the ability to stand there and be confident about
Speaker 1: what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: You know, that's so funny you say that because I
Speaker 2: say to my girlfriends all the time, like single girlfriends
Speaker 2: or whatever, and they're always like, I was talking to
Speaker 2: blah blah about it. I'm like, do you know what,
Speaker 2: if you want really to have a relationship that works,
Speaker 2: why don't you talk to someone who's in a relationship
Speaker 2: that works. Why are you talking to your other single girlfriends.
Speaker 1: Over two bottles of white wine?
Speaker 2: You don't know she's single. She doesn't know either. But then,
Speaker 2: but you know that thing that we do as humans,
Speaker 2: we like to look in a mirror of us. No
Speaker 2: one wants to look at some tired fucking mother of
Speaker 2: four who's been with her partner for twenty three years
Speaker 2: or whatever. That's not exciting. What's exciting is to talk
Speaker 2: to your single girlfriend. He goes, don't date him. I
Speaker 2: didn't like his shoes. See how that's working out for you? Well,
Speaker 2: you know, girls, we do this thing to each other
Speaker 2: where we will we'll focus on what we don't like
Speaker 2: about a guy, whereas I'm like, we just look hollowed foundations.
Speaker 2: Why would he have nice shoes. He's a single guy
Speaker 2: and he's not gay. I know you're nice shoes. Do
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? For a renovator's delight? If
Speaker 2: you want to get into you know, some DIY. I'm
Speaker 2: not into DIY myself. I like to find a fully
Speaker 2: formed person and fall in love with them. But I
Speaker 2: understand that that's rare.
Speaker 1: I think it's values like when people ask me how
Speaker 1: I'm in a successful relationship and I'm like, oh am,
Speaker 1: I you know, because there's obviously the hurdles that comes
Speaker 1: with it, but it's compromised.
Speaker 2: But you need to have and also you don't I'm
Speaker 2: always loath to be the person to be Tom Cruise
Speaker 2: jumping on Oprah's couch, because we know how that ends.
Speaker 1: It. Scared if I do mattter like Ben and I
Speaker 1: got engaged and I proposed him my national television when
Speaker 1: I won Big Brother, and then people asked me for
Speaker 1: ages Woman's Day, want to buy a story and sell
Speaker 1: the pictures of this wedding, and I started. As the
Speaker 1: years went on, I thought, I'm scared if I get
Speaker 1: married to him, you know, could it all fall down?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: But we all know people who have got married and
Speaker 2: then the relationships ended.
Speaker 1: Boom. I've got two of my best girlfriends, two of
Speaker 1: them they both married and divorced in the same year.
Speaker 2: And Irish twin Peter and I was five months pregnant
Speaker 2: when we got married. All this sounds like a recipe
Speaker 2: for success, doesn't it. And I lived with my girlfriend
Speaker 2: Mish till I was five months pregnant. I said to Peter,
Speaker 2: I'm not living with you before we get married, because
Speaker 2: I'd lived with someone before. And I was like, you
Speaker 2: get all the downside and no upside, Like it's as
Speaker 2: traumatic as being married. So I said, the next person
Speaker 2: I live with it will be because I love them
Speaker 2: enough to marry them. We didn't live together till after
Speaker 2: our wedding and when I was five months pregnant, and
Speaker 2: then four months later we had our first baby, and
Speaker 2: then within six years we had four babies.
Speaker 1: So good though, like but obviously you've had to have
Speaker 1: nurtured that, you've had to have respected that hour between
Speaker 1: the two of you.
Speaker 2: It's not There's a lot to be said for making
Speaker 2: a good choice, which you do not know that you've
Speaker 2: made until you encounter. If you live long enough, life's
Speaker 2: going to just smack you across the face with a
Speaker 2: wet fish and you don't know till that happens what
Speaker 2: the person that you've chosen to spend your life with
Speaker 2: is made of. And luckily, Peter Lewis is just like
Speaker 2: a piece of gold. He's just beautiful.
Speaker 1: But if you get a piece of God, you've got
Speaker 1: to look after it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Oh I had it, I hadn't be Where would you
Speaker 2: hide your most valuable possession.
Speaker 1: I just tell him, you can't leave the house in
Speaker 1: case you meet someone else. No, I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think that he's a different person to the person
Speaker 1: I got together with, But we have interesting we have
Speaker 1: similar values. We have very strong relationships with our mothers,
Speaker 1: and our family are our siblings. So family is important, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, funny you say that because Peter has a
Speaker 2: great relationship with his mother, who I also adore my
Speaker 2: mother in law, and I would say, look for someone
Speaker 2: who's got a great relationship with their mother, not a
Speaker 2: mummy's boy or whatever, just a toxic relationship, just a
Speaker 2: genuine love and respect, because that is that's who you'll
Speaker 2: be when when you become the wife and you become
Speaker 2: the mother.
Speaker 1: A lot of other things can be different. Sure, I
Speaker 1: don't watch the same shows as him, and thank god
Speaker 1: I don't watch that fucking Jeffrey darmocrab. But he can
Speaker 1: be his own person as well, Like I don't make
Speaker 1: him want to be me. I want him to be himself,
Speaker 1: and I champion him to be that version of himself.
Speaker 1: So that way we're not the same person either, and
Speaker 1: it makes it interesting.
Speaker 2: I always find it funny when couples get together and
Speaker 2: they're like, I hated his grand couch, so I made
Speaker 2: him throw it out, And I'm always like, why why
Speaker 2: did you do that?
Speaker 1: Why are you trying to change this person?
Speaker 2: He must well, I understand, but then but then conversing,
Speaker 2: I think they're a mean I'm only speaking about it
Speaker 2: from the women's point of view because I'm a woman,
Speaker 2: but I think they are men also who into that?
Speaker 2: Oh well, I better ask the boss, you know, that
Speaker 2: kind of thinking. So maybe they like it, Maybe they
Speaker 2: like to have their favorite couch throw Now, look.
Speaker 1: This is a whole different podcast. But you know, like
Speaker 1: I think in some ways, I've got girlfriends that love
Speaker 1: the fact that the man is in control and they're
Speaker 1: living in a fifties scenario. They love that they're living.
Speaker 2: In I would love that here, I've got your Martiney ready.
Speaker 2: I would love that.
Speaker 1: I got written out of the with a friendship circle.
Speaker 1: I always talk about friendship circles like that's a series
Speaker 1: of television. But I got written out of a series
Speaker 1: with a girlfriend because she met a man and she
Speaker 1: just wanted to become like, we hang up with the
Speaker 1: girls when she gets free time. Oh, we see the girls.
Speaker 1: And I was not a girl, and I got riten
Speaker 1: out what she was living in the fifties. She was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, was.
Speaker 2: She not able to hang out with a guy?
Speaker 1: I think he when he actually yeah, he said to me,
Speaker 1: I've never met a gay person before.
Speaker 2: And he was, actually, you're a good first gay to meet.
Speaker 2: I would imagine.
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be a good thing.
Speaker 1: I was like, mate, you know, wait till you get
Speaker 1: to know us a little bit more. And he just
Speaker 1: looked he was awkward with us.
Speaker 2: He didn't like it. How could he not have met
Speaker 2: someone gay. I don't even see how that's possible. Even
Speaker 2: my dad, my darling Dad. He's hematologist who who was
Speaker 2: his doctor for years, like a fantastic doctor, and he
Speaker 2: was always like I can't wait for you to meet him,
Speaker 2: that he loved him, loved him, loved him. And Dad
Speaker 2: when we came back to see Dad when he was
Speaker 2: really sick, when we were living in Italy, Lewis and
Speaker 2: I flew back to see him. He was in hospital
Speaker 2: and Dad was talking about his doctor and he goes, oh,
Speaker 2: he's such a lovely man. He says that he's gay,
Speaker 2: but I don't think he is. And I said this
Speaker 2: was Dad because Dad was a Christian, right and Dad
Speaker 2: just couldn't if he loved him. He was like, I
Speaker 2: don't think this. Guys said that's funny because I was
Speaker 2: just talking to him and he said his husband was
Speaker 2: making a roast dinner and Dad, I love Dad. Dad goes, oh, well,
Speaker 2: maybe he is. Next weekend is my niece's wedding, my
Speaker 2: dad's granddaughter, my mum and granddaughter. And she Chloe, my
Speaker 2: beautiful niece, Chloe, and she's marrying a woman. So I'm like,
Speaker 2: what would Dad be saying in spirit? Well, they're getting married.
Speaker 2: Maybe she is a lesbian. I don't know if we
Speaker 2: don't know for sure, because he's.
Speaker 1: Not about the time, though, don't you think like that's
Speaker 1: about that's about the and the environment they were brought
Speaker 1: up in. And I don't want to say all old
Speaker 1: people like that, because some of them are a little
Speaker 1: bit you know, have been able to get. But I'm
Speaker 1: never offended by people who are I shouldn't say this,
Speaker 1: I'll probably get canceled. But I'm never offended by people
Speaker 1: who are homophobic. I'm never offended about people who are racist.
Speaker 1: If I feel like they were brought up in a
Speaker 1: culture that meant that, that's all I know, and so
Speaker 1: I feel sorry for them a little bit. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I think there's.
Speaker 2: A tendency to diminish people's experiences and how it's how
Speaker 2: it's you know, colored the point of view, like, for instance,
Speaker 2: Peter's Nana lel who our daughter Sunday Lily is named after.
Speaker 2: She lived through World War Two, so she would obviously
Speaker 2: have very different feelings about certain races. Then we would
Speaker 2: have have lived predominantly in peacetime. You know, It's just
Speaker 2: I always think it's very arrogant of people to judge
Speaker 2: the past through today's eyes, Like it's just so stupid,
Speaker 2: like what do we know? We only know what we know.
Speaker 2: We think we're so superior.
Speaker 1: You just reminded me of something one of the things
Speaker 1: that you said to me once at a party where
Speaker 1: people come up and say to you, oh and now
Speaker 1: I never get the quote right. And I was trying
Speaker 1: to tell Evie Jones the other day who you know
Speaker 1: and right, But it was someone came up to you,
Speaker 1: to me and to you independently and said where do
Speaker 1: I know you from? What do I know you from?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes? Yes, people to say that.
Speaker 1: And you go, well, I'm not you. So if I don't,
Speaker 1: if I'm not you, and I don't know what, I
Speaker 1: can't remember.
Speaker 2: I this is what I say to people. Now, it depends.
Speaker 2: Some people are just whatever. But sometimes you don't want
Speaker 2: to have to stand there and give your whole cv.
Speaker 2: They go, what do I know you from? And I go,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what you do. So
Speaker 2: I don't know what you know me from. Am I
Speaker 2: supposed to stand here? Because then inevitably what happens is
Speaker 2: it's not just being a bitch. Inevitably what happens is
Speaker 2: I go, oh, well, I work on television. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: what TV? And I go, oh, for instance, I go,
Speaker 2: I might go I do the Project on Tuesday nights.
Speaker 2: Oh I never watched that. Okay, all right, well maybe
Speaker 2: you know me from radio. I don't never listen to
Speaker 2: Commersure radio. So then you just seemed up trying to
Speaker 2: put pieces together for this asshole that's come up to
Speaker 2: you in the first place. You're trying to explain to
Speaker 2: them who you are, and they won't accept it. So
Speaker 2: it's just you're on a hiding.
Speaker 1: But how to go?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't I don't know what you know.
Speaker 2: Where do you think you know me from?
Speaker 1: I think it's brilliant because I actually only ever been
Speaker 1: on Big Brother. That's the only show that I've ever
Speaker 1: done on that they would know me from. So when
Speaker 1: they go, what I I know you from? And I'll
Speaker 1: be like I was on Big Brother. They go, I
Speaker 1: don't watch that, and I'm like, William, I don't watch
Speaker 1: because it's the only fucking thing I've been on. So
Speaker 1: you either think I work at price Line.
Speaker 2: Funny thing. It's such a funny thing, isn't it? And
Speaker 2: people often think that I'm related to someone or the
Speaker 2: other day, I was in a bakery in a suburb
Speaker 2: that I've never been in before. I realized how habitual
Speaker 2: I am because it was like, Oh, I can go
Speaker 2: into any bakery and buy life for bread. I don't
Speaker 2: have to wait till till I get within a five
Speaker 2: k radius of my house anyone. This woman said, oh,
Speaker 2: I've served you before, and I said, oh, I don't
Speaker 2: think you have. She goes, yes, I have. I went okay, Like,
Speaker 2: what was I going to say?
Speaker 1: You just have to be you just have to agree
Speaker 1: with them to get out of the situation. Because what
Speaker 1: I've learned is time, time is money. I've got to go, mate,
Speaker 1: I've got no time to stand in the bloody supermarket
Speaker 1: and tell you.
Speaker 2: People think I'm related to someone you live next door to,
Speaker 2: blah blah. Kevan I'm like, no, I don't they think
Speaker 2: I'm lying that I don't live near water kevn No, no, no,
Speaker 2: I don't know why. But it happens so often that
Speaker 2: you realize how similar humans are. I mean, I once
Speaker 2: said hello to an actor at the seven eleven because
Speaker 2: I thought I knew him, and then sorry, mate, so
Speaker 2: you know, and I'd never meet him. It happens. I
Speaker 2: totally understand how it happens, but I'm not going to
Speaker 2: stand there and argue with someone about how I know them.
Speaker 1: Put it that way, we have a little digressed from
Speaker 1: our talking of sh but because I mean, the message
Speaker 1: that we have to tell people primarily is to watch
Speaker 1: this show. But I think they are like Kate, I
Speaker 1: really feel like this is this is going to hit
Speaker 1: where TV is kind of missing at the moment, and
Speaker 1: that is its relatable content and where people can see
Speaker 1: themselves in these situations. And that's the currency of television
Speaker 1: is feeling like we are connected and that we can
Speaker 1: see ourselves in it. And I think there's not many
Speaker 1: people that are not going to see a bit of
Speaker 1: themselves in this show.
Speaker 2: Well it's interesting as well because you've got the oldies
Speaker 2: and then you've got the yummies, but who are all
Speaker 2: part of the same journey, So that automatically gives it
Speaker 2: a real textural difference to anything else. But also it's
Speaker 2: just kind of fun. It's fun. Reality TV is fun.
Speaker 2: People who don't watch reality TV don't understand that aspect
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Well, you learn from it, I think these days, though,
Speaker 1: it's kind of morphed. Like back in the day people
Speaker 1: I don't watch those people in Big Brother.
Speaker 2: You don't learn from it. You learned from it. What
Speaker 2: have we learned? We've learned nothing collectively as a society,
Speaker 2: and we've never had more reality TV. We learned nothing.
Speaker 2: Can't we just enjoy it, just enjoying the peachful moment?
Speaker 1: Not everything is I learned from it? Though, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: I must admit because my mom, Mom's gonna hate that,
Speaker 1: I'm going to give the number to this. But mum's
Speaker 1: been married three times, and so I've been been in
Speaker 1: my you know, I was probably eight when she married
Speaker 1: the first second time being not my father, and then
Speaker 1: I was in my teenage years when she married again.
Speaker 1: And then you know, she's now in a new relationship
Speaker 1: because unfortunately my stepfather she was with for twenty six
Speaker 1: years died, So she's now in a fourth major relationship.
Speaker 2: So three and she's got game.
Speaker 1: You know, people, some people, how does she do it?
Speaker 1: Mum's beautiful though, like she's a really.
Speaker 2: Yeah she must yeah, she must be.
Speaker 1: She's just met My dad was a bit of a creep.
Speaker 1: Well he was just a bit lost, to be honest,
Speaker 1: and he's no longer with us. But then my stepfather,
Speaker 1: like she married someone really quickly because she wanted us
Speaker 1: boys to have a male role model. So she's like,
Speaker 1: I've got to have a male role model.
Speaker 2: Oh that school.
Speaker 1: Then he was a creep. And then she married this
Speaker 1: man that got sick and died of pan gread of cancer.
Speaker 1: So like, you know, yes, she's in it. She's about
Speaker 1: to turn seven in she's in another relationship.
Speaker 2: Wow, racy, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And go good on her, good on it. I'm about
Speaker 1: to run out of time, so I have to ask
Speaker 1: you before we get cut off by the bloody zoom.
Speaker 1: Everyone who joins the podcast gets asked this question, what's
Speaker 1: something from behind the scenes, something that we won't see,
Speaker 1: kind of a you know, a deleted behind the scenes
Speaker 1: moment from you making this show, kind of like a
Speaker 1: secret you know, like I wasn't always there. I recorded
Speaker 1: it all one night and.
Speaker 2: We've never been able to get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 2: The kids ran a mark in their house, and I
Speaker 2: could tell because the next day when I saw them
Speaker 2: and they were very like I got on so with them,
Speaker 2: but I could tell they were just all really weird
Speaker 2: and they'd had a big party, and then I think
Speaker 2: they got amorous, some of them. But I knew. I
Speaker 2: knew as soon as I arrived the next day, I'm like,
Speaker 2: what is going on here? Like the vibe was just
Speaker 2: completely different.
Speaker 1: You've got kids, you know, there's a look that kids
Speaker 1: have when they come into the kitchen in the morning
Speaker 1: to get their breakfast. If you're a mother, you can
Speaker 1: see that face and you.
Speaker 2: Know you are cento cento, as the Italians would say,
Speaker 2: one hundred percent, that you've just got like a little antenna.
Speaker 2: Even when it's not on, it's on. You just know.
Speaker 2: I sometimes don't even have to turn around to go
Speaker 2: what's wrong with you? Don't know? I sound like fun
Speaker 2: to live with. I don't even bother to any around.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, what's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: I'm not even going to look at you.
Speaker 2: No you're not even worth my eyeball heart. I brought
Speaker 2: to the show Ben, you will enjoy it enormously.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I can't wait. Well, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I can't even thank you enough with your generosity to
Speaker 1: join on the podcast and talk about the show. I
Speaker 1: hope people watch it. I hope people love it. I
Speaker 1: hope they get something from it, and I hope you
Speaker 1: make millions of dollars out of being asked to come
Speaker 1: back for seven.
Speaker 2: Television isn't what it was. I mean, let's say tens
Speaker 2: of dollars, tens, maybe dozens of dollars.
Speaker 1: But you could be doing the show in ten years time.
Speaker 1: Imagine that if I'm back here talking to you on the.
Speaker 2: Ten years I'm doing it, and I'm like, it's the
Speaker 2: reunion show.
Speaker 1: We're going to leave it at that.