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Speaker 2: It's well, and what I want to talk about the

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Speaker 2: Queen Bee for a second. It's a player. I think

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Speaker 2: it's Queen Bee, not the Queen Bee, but might have

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Speaker 2: shown my age anyway. The Queen Bee. She has ordered

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Speaker 2: two thousand pounds worth of Nando's on Saturday, as she

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Speaker 2: continued her UK leg of her Renaissance tour. Love that

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Speaker 2: two thousand pounds worth of Nandos. The clever producers and

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Speaker 2: they're few and far between people, let me tell you.

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Speaker 2: They they the looks get you. That's fair enough. They

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Speaker 2: put her name on the bill, so they actually left

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Speaker 2: it as order for Beyonce. And I'll read you the order.

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Speaker 2: One hundred and ten chicken burgers, ninety pitchs stroth. Obviously

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Speaker 2: there's whole bunch of other things in there. Someone got

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Speaker 2: nine thighs.

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Speaker 3: That feels low for that size of order. Only nine

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Speaker 2: Like, well, that's what I'm saying that there's always some

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Speaker 2: prick when you get Nando's Who's like, oh, can I

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Speaker 2: get a you know, a feta or like a serve

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Speaker 2: of like umus or something like that, And you're like,

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Speaker 2: we're all getting chicken and fries here. Yeah, usually it's you,

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Speaker 2: to be honest, Woods, that's fair enough. It was just us.

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Speaker 2: We'd be like, can we get three large trucks a

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Speaker 2: bunch of chips? If not for you saying, can I

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Speaker 3: I order normal food my flatlance, will we throw the roof?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing it for you, guys.

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Speaker 4: We share a studio.

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't say I shouldn't say that.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, it's a really intolerance.

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Speaker 2: That's fair enough. So look, it's a shocking. It's a huge,

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Speaker 2: huge order that she's laid with Nandos and Woods. It's

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Speaker 2: inspired me because I want to play a game with

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Speaker 2: you right now, all about ordering chicken. Everybody will be eating.

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Speaker 2: I already love the game working title Chicken Chicken.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So so the way this is gonna work, I'm very

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Speaker 2: much thinking on the fly here, so feel free to

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Speaker 2: It's you and I ordering chicken back and forth from

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Speaker 2: a chicken shop, so one hindout of time.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, so same call, same phone call, same

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Speaker 2: I have the chicken. I'll also have the chicken. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: So we go back and forth ordering chicken. But the

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Speaker 2: max that we have to spend is two hundred dollars. Okay,

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Speaker 2: all right, And then the first person to yell chicken

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Speaker 2: once we go over two hundred dollars wins. And then

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Speaker 2: if you yell chicken under two hundred dollars, you lose

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Speaker 2: and you have to pay.

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Speaker 4: So hang on, let me repeat it back to you.

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Speaker 3: We're ordering one for one, yeap as soon as it's

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Speaker 3: we've spent obviously while we're ordering, no, and.

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Speaker 2: I'll get the producers to bring us a menu without

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Speaker 2: the prices attached.

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Speaker 3: So as soon as we're over two hundred dollars, soon

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Speaker 3: as one of us thinks, but over two hundred dollars,

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Speaker 3: you yelled chicken, yees, And if it is over two

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Speaker 3: If I yell it and we're under two hundred dollars,

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Speaker 4: Pay for that's right, this is brilliant. I love it. Okay,

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Speaker 4: can you only? That is awesome? Because I love chicken.

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Speaker 3: So if I can you only call it after your order?

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Speaker 3: Or can you call it any time?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 4: Can I call it after you've made it?

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Speaker 2: Can call it any time?

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Speaker 3: So anytime? And I just yelled chicken, and then we

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Speaker 4: Okay, awesome?

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Speaker 2: Can you read the product disclosure statement? Every body will

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Speaker 2: be eating order chickens, and everybody.

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Speaker 4: Will be We've got a chicken store here. They're called

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Speaker 4: char Grilled Charlie's. Everybody I've hurt their chickens. Delightful.

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Speaker 3: So we call that place right now, we go order

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Now if the price is over two hundred dollars, the

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's right, Roath Almighty, this is good.

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Speaker 2: Yes. Put simply first person to yelled chicken when it's

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Are you ready to go?

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Speaker 4: Who's going fast?

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Speaker 5: Okay, first, thank you, which I was cambler. How can

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Speaker 4: Can I please order a Do you guys do delivery?

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Speaker 5: We do? But like as in, is it a very?

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Speaker 3: It's like a I wouldn't say it's catering, but I'm

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let me grab some paper and then do you

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Speaker 5: want to tell me what you're asked?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Sure, absolutely so. Just to kick off Copper's get a

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Speaker 3: barbecue chicken.

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Speaker 5: Just the one chicken yep, yep.

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Speaker 2: And we're going to tie marinated chicken.

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Speaker 5: I didn't like the Portuguese chicken with a tie sauce

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Speaker 4: Some sweet potato wedges, yep.

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Speaker 2: I'll get a cheeseburger with it a bas or chicken

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Speaker 4: I'll get the honey and mustard baked edge. Please.

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Speaker 5: What size are those those?

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Speaker 2: Yep, I'll get a devil wings?

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Speaker 5: Would you like? Matt?

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Speaker 2: What's the most I can get?

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Speaker 5: It's we do them buy how many every year? After?

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Speaker 2: M Interesting? Can I get sixty wings.

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Speaker 5: Sixty devil wings. Yes, yeah, we should be able to

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Speaker 3: Yes, and could I please then get ten drumsticks?

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Speaker 4: Oh okay? Sorry? How much was that?

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Speaker 7: So I've got at the moment, one barsty chicken, one

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: How much is that?

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Speaker 4: Oh no, well you wanted sixty of them, I know,

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Speaker 4: so we're definitely over. I don't know what I was

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Speaker 2: I could see that we were going to say chickens,

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Speaker 5: Yeah? How much is that?

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Speaker 7: Sorry?

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Speaker 2: How much is that?

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Speaker 5: Hang up that drums to who?

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Speaker 2: That's great? Chicken? Chicken? The drum sticks. We're too tasty

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Speaker 2: for you, Andrew hold the line. I'll throw you over

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Speaker 2: to the producers and they'll explain everything.

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Speaker 5: We do.

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Speaker 2: Still want that chicken, so make sure you hold on

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Speaker 5: I can't say we've ever received sixty. But there's always

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Speaker 4: Is that going to put the store under strain with

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Look, we'll find out when we get to it.

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Speaker 4: I reckon that's a good way to go about it.

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Speaker 4: Thanks iking, Andrew.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Andrew. No, see your legends, mate, taking your calls

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Speaker 2: thirty one at six ' five. What quality and other

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Speaker 2: people are you most envious of? Is the question? Now?

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Speaker 2: If you're wondering, gee, whiz will that is truly one

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Speaker 2: of the great questions. It's not mine, Oh claim it, man, mine,

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Speaker 2: It's not blind. It's actually Esther Perel's. She's a Belgian

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Speaker 2: of cards, Esther Perell's cards that have just got, you know,

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Speaker 3: We emerged, you think that's a weird question, get the podcast.

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Speaker 3: There's context there, but we can't get into it.

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Speaker 2: if you've tried that, Tash, but without trying to fix

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Speaker 2: Charlie's not somebody you know it? You know that you're

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Speaker 4: The most beautiful people.

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Speaker 3: And if you didn't have that, would you just be

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Speaker 3: Will Will's got that in spades far away. Will give

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Speaker 3: He's very good at this.

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Speaker 2: Come on, New York is sinking by one to two

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Speaker 8: More about global politics?

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Speaker 4: They didn't. Oh, we don't have time.

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Speaker 6: The beach there was a child actually drowning, threw me

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Speaker 4: We don't know if she did. You do it? Trace?

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Speaker 11: Coming there.

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Speaker 2: I just love someone did save the kid.

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Speaker 3: By the way, Yes we we. We did our due diligence.

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Speaker 3: Do you mind if I just keep going with what

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Speaker 4: You chose to be a coward that.

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Speaker 3: It almost led to a breakup with my girlfriend at

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Speaker 3: have been a hero, chose to be a coward?

449
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 4: Is it?

450
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,479
Speaker 2: So this is like it? Because for me, that's an

451
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 2: involuntary response from you.

452
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 4: That's like a yes, definitely.

453
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 2: That's a final flight thing. You know, you wish you

454
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,359
Speaker 2: had the courage to be a hero, but you were

455
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:41,159
Speaker 2: too scared. Yes, Tracy has just chosen not to go in.

456
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,640
Speaker 2: So like the hero moment sits up there, there's no

457
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 2: involuntary automated fight or flight response there. She just goes nah,

458
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 2: serves a bit big, which, as I was gonna say,

459
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,479
Speaker 2: is actually the correct response. A lot of time, you've

460
00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 2: got to save yourself, life at risk, so that might

461
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 2: come into it as well. Did you choose to save yourself?

462
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 4: Yeah? True?

463
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 2: Thirty one and six five, You don't want to be

464
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,119
Speaker 2: a hero. When was your moment? Will and Woody? We're

465
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:10,399
Speaker 2: taking them up next, kiss.

466
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 1: Will and Woody more after this it's Will and Woody.

467
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 3: Thirteen six five is the number failed hero moments. So

468
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 3: you had the moment to be a hero, it's sat

469
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 3: up for you and then you just chose, for whatever reason,

470
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 3: not to be a hero.

471
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 2: Because I feel like you said failed hero moments, which

472
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 2: for me initially implies you got in there and then

473
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,679
Speaker 2: you tried to be a hero and you stuffed it.

474
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:43,679
Speaker 2: This is more like successful coward moments as a person,

475
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 2: failed hero moments. This is when you had the option

476
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,719
Speaker 2: and you chose to not get involved, to look after yourself.

477
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 3: I feel before we got to the course here, the

478
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 3: perfect example is Tracy. She caught our show yesterday. This

479
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 3: is the most extraordinary example of someone just choosing not

480
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 3: to be the hero.

481
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, child actually drowning, threw me the boogiey board and

482
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,920
Speaker 6: told me to go in and get him.

483
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,439
Speaker 2: Well done tries. That's extreme. Handled for sure, she did.

484
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 4: We don't know if she did.

485
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 6: You do it, Trace, No, I didn't because the surfer

486
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 6: said slay him. Could the surf was pretty harsh and

487
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 6: I wasn't.

488
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 8: Kid.

489
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, no one coming there. We did find out

490
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,360
Speaker 3: the kid did get saved by absolutely did.

491
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And you know, help people out guys if

492
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 2: you can.

493
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 4: Let's go to Bonnie here on thirteen one six five.

494
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 2: You don't condone this, I mean, I just know, but I.

495
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 3: Think The way forward here is to acknowledge when you've

496
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 3: made a mistake in the past, and we don't make

497
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 3: the same mistake twice.

498
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 4: Now, Bonnie, you were not the hero.

499
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 10: No, I wasn't. An little bit embarrassed.

500
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 12: I gave my real name.

501
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 8: I was looking down street with my friends and they like,

502
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 8: they scream as a snake, and I picked them up

503
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 8: and threw them towards the snake so I could run off.

504
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 3: Oh wow, hang on, sorry, I feel like I heard

505
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 3: that wrong. Did you say you picked up a child

506
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 3: and threw it at the snake?

507
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 2: I just have friends.

508
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 4: Bloody hell. Do you know? Fun fact Quakers which is

509
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 4: an animal.

510
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 3: It's like a rat like animal which is on rottenstyle,

511
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 3: which is off Western Australia. Quite seriously, if a predator comes,

512
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 3: they will throw their babies at the predator.

513
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 4: That is a thing specific to Quakers.

514
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 13: So you're a funny funny funny You're a small You're

515
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 13: a small rodent like creature, is what is trying to say,

516
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 13: Just so you.

517
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 9: Know, subconsciously a choice, I will use people at the

518
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 9: human shield.

519
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

520
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 2: The Carkers do it subgrdlessly as well as they choose.

521
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: It's an automated response, What have I gott a shield

522
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 2: my child?

523
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 4: They all do it.

524
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: Worried about the fact that if somebody ever attacked you,

525
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: you would use me as a shield. I'd be worried

526
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 2: for her.

527
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 3: Sake, for my child's sake, Crystal, Crystal's gold on very bad.

528
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 4: That doesn't cross Crystal. You're a failed here.

529
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 12: I am, hello, how are you? I was out out

530
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 12: of loading dock with my best friend. A massive bang

531
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 12: went off, like a gunshot. I picked her up and

532
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 12: put her in front of me and he'd behind her

533
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 12: to save myself and what.

534
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 4: People using other.

535
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: Human shield It's a tactic for the Japanese in the

536
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 2: Second World War. It's absolutely I'm going to be honest.

537
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 2: I mean these are really hectic.

538
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 12: Yeah, it was just a palette that fell that was

539
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 12: like vertical and I just fell horizontal and made that

540
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 12: big gun.

541
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 4: So did your friend know what you were doing though?

542
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 2: Yeah?

543
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 12: Yeah, because I picked her up and put her.

544
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 2: Used to put us mates, Crystal, she.

545
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 12: Is like a sister to me, and yeah, I would

546
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 12: never never ever lose her.

547
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 2: But it turns out you probably would. Mate. It turns

548
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: out you would.

549
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: It's will and Woody.

550
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: Right now, though, thirty one of six ' five Should

551
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: you be dead?

552
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're talking about it because.

553
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 3: Damian the wild Man Duffy, who was a veteran to

554
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 3: a guide up in the Northern Territory, I just shared

555
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 3: a story about when he saw fifteen crocodiles feasting on

556
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 3: a buffalo carcass worth mentioning by the way, he heard

557
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 3: that there were fifteen crocodiles feasting on a buffalo carcass

558
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 3: and then went towards that he wanted to go and

559
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 3: check that out, and then effectively when he.

560
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 2: Was sorry, he's a wildlife tour guide, right, yeah, yeah, right, okay.

561
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 2: Just when your named Damien the one Man Duffy, I

562
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: thought like, it sounds like it could have been a

563
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 2: booze cruise guide. It looks like it could have been

564
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 2: a hostel worker. I met a guy who ran a

565
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: hostel in but In put a pest called the cyclops,

566
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 2: and his name reminded me of that.

567
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 3: Anyway, the wild Man himself, he was trying to get

568
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 3: away from all these crocodiles near the buffalo. His boat

569
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 3: almost tipped and he was like, obviously would have died

570
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 3: in that situation. Now, I just want to hear other stories,

571
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 3: as you said, will but on you know, should you

572
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 3: be dead? Like, was there a moment where you were like,

573
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 3: I'm definitely gonna die here, But then somehow you've survived.

574
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 4: We got Cody here. Cody, you should be dead.

575
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 11: How are you guys?

576
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 4: Good?

577
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 8: Mate?

578
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 4: We're good?

579
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 10: Yeah?

580
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 11: Yeah, look, definitely should be dead. About six years ago, now,

581
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 11: I I worked my ass off, saved up enough money

582
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 11: to go and buy my first motorcycle, and I brought

583
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 11: a Ducati Supersport.

584
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 2: Truth.

585
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 11: I thought it was absolutely great riding home first day

586
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 11: owning it, riding home and I got hit by a

587
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 11: drunk driver at ninety k's an hour. Foh, I I

588
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 11: broke every bone in the right side of my body

589
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 11: and tractured my skull.

590
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

591
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 4: And so were you in a coma there, Cody?

592
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: I was, yes, Wow?

593
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 4: How long fought?

594
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 11: Three months?

595
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: Oh wow?

596
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 3: Can you tell me that moment, the moment you wake

597
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 3: up after three months in a coma?

598
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 4: Like what goes through your head there?

599
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 11: Honestly, the first thing that went through my head, in

600
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 11: all honesty, was where the hell's my motorcycle?

601
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 2: Right?

602
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 11: Means, I mean, you've got to give me a break.

603
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 11: I just forked out seventy grand on that thing.

604
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 3: And you obviously don't realize there's been three months that pass,

605
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 3: like so like when you do realize there's been three

606
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 3: months that's pasted, like who's who's talking to you?

607
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 4: For staters? And what's the first question you ask other than.

608
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 11: The first person that was talking to me was actually

609
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 11: the doctor they were doing they were just doing checks,

610
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 11: but it was one of the nurses. They were just

611
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 11: doing the checks on my on my I guess the

612
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 11: heart rate monitor and whatever they have me hooked up to,

613
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 11: and yeah, I sort of woke up and yeah, she

614
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 11: ran out of the room screaming for a doctor. And

615
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 11: I was like, what.

616
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: Cody swore there?

617
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 3: Mate, great story though, yeah, he was in a come

618
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 3: of for three months. We cannot go to the other

619
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 3: calls there, unfortunately, because Cody swore.

620
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: You what we should do. Though, given that we can't

621
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: go to the call, we can't go to the call

622
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: which one of the producers took the Kayla called Captain

623
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 2: poop Pants perfect. Are you willing to try and do

624
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: the call? Justice? I reckon I by explaining what happened, Okay, great?

625
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 4: When Kaylor was five, she was no, no, no, do

626
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 4: it as Kayle, Do it as Kayla? Kayla? What happened

627
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 4: to you?

628
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: Hey? Boys? How go on? Yeah?

629
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,479
Speaker 14: So when I was when I was in kindergarten.

630
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: Can't believe I'm in.

631
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 15: It.

632
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: This is a great kid. Carry on. I was playing

633
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: around it and I sat on a bee hive and

634
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: thirty beast things but in my butt And that was

635
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: Kayla and she should have died from that. Well, apparently

636
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: they are nice. Change the character there as well. Look

637
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: at you right now.

638
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: It's willain Wood.

639
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: My mother in law is currently currently staying with us.

640
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: Pim is her name. Sam's mum from the Netherlands. And yeah,

641
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: last time she was here she walked in on us. Yeah,

642
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: trying to induce labor a little bit earlier, which was

643
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: a hell of an incident. She is very Dutch, though,

644
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: I should mention that, and so you know, she made

645
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: a bit of a laugh about it. We had her

646
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: on the show to talk more about it.

647
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 4: You said she lingered at the door as well. I

648
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 4: think that's worth mentioning.

649
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: I think all parents linger. I think last time we

650
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: discussed this, we did learn for some reason, when a

651
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 2: parent walked in on their child hopping on the good

652
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 2: foot and doing the bad thing. They want a second look.

653
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know how that works out.

654
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is.

655
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 4: You drive past a car crash, Yes, you always want

656
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 4: to have a look. You have the peak.

657
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's what's going on when you're walking

658
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: on your kids.

659
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: I think, well, for yeah, it's it's a separate conversation.

660
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: But my final point on that would be why do

661
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: they feel like they need to ask you a question?

662
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 3: I think because they're trying to let you know, like,

663
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: I'm okay with this, nothing awkward here. I'm just going

664
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 3: to ask you a normal question, what's for dinner? In

665
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 3: doing that, they make it more awkward.

666
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: Yeahah, yeah, okay. So that's what happened with it last

667
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: time she was here. This time, I, as you know,

668
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: we're currently finishing some renovation in our house, Pim staying

669
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: with us. She I didn't know this. I had no

670
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 2: idea about this. But I was getting changed and in

671
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: our bedroom and just minding my own business getting changed. Anyway,

672
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: she walks into the room as I'm finishing putting my

673
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:09,239
Speaker 2: clothes on.

674
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 4: Where are you at putting your clothes on?

675
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 11: Like?

676
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 4: What what stage you at pants t shirt, So they're

677
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 4: not they're on.

678
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: They're on. The pants are on, they're on now, yeah,

679
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: they had previously been off. I just go to the shower,

680
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: makes sense. So she walks in and she goes will

681
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: just so you know, I saw you completely.

682
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 4: Naked before, So you were in the bedroom.

683
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 2: Yes, so either door opened.

684
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 4: Did you do the nude run from bathroom to bedroom

685
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 4: because you're guilty of that that at a shared airbnb.

686
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: I am.

687
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 4: I do love that.

688
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: I love running the gauntlet. It's a great Yeah, a

689
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 2: bit of a thrill.

690
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 4: But no one else likes that.

691
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: By the way, great momently just coming out of the bathroom. No,

692
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: so we've got an on sweet, so there's no need

693
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: for me to walk past anymore. So I just walked

694
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: out of the on sweat, left the bedroom door open.

695
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: I thought she'd gone. She hadn't. She sees me naked.

696
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: And then at that point, and this is my question

697
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 2: for you, Right, you're staying with you, You're staying with

698
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: your your daughter and her partner. Right, you see your

699
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: daughter's partner naked.

700
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 3: And you when you so you obviously didn't see you naked.

701
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: I don't know that she knew for you your.

702
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 3: What's getting changed? Normal mourning. Nothing bad has happened.

703
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: Nothing in my morning was out of ordinary.

704
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 4: But she has felt the need to.

705
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: She's seen me nude, no doubt, a bit of a

706
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: weird morning for her. And she's just about to walk

707
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: out the door, gets to the door, put like unlocks

708
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: the door or whatever, has a moment where she goes,

709
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: I feel like I need to let my son in

710
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: law know. That's strange, but I've just seen him nude.

711
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: She walks into the back into the bedroom and goes

712
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: will and I was like, yeah, bem, what's going on?

713
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: And I thought you left, and she goes, no, no, no,

714
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: I haven't left yet. I just thought i'd let you

715
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: know I just saw your naked.

716
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 4: And what was your reaction?

717
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: I was like, just's like great? But what what did

718
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: she say so interesting? She was like, well, I just

719
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: you know, I just like all these things to be

720
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: on the surface, you know, I just don't want to

721
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: have anything between us.

722
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 4: No, that's actually no. I can follow that because if somehow.

723
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: Hang on, hang on, hang on, no, no, put yourself in

724
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: her shoes here. Man. I know you're trying to get

725
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 2: on her page, but put yourself in her shoes. You've

726
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: just seen your daughter's partner naked. They don't know that

727
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: you've seen them naked. It's totally your thing.

728
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 3: But I think that's the bit she's unsure about. She's

729
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 3: obviously like if there's a small she.

730
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: Knew, I didn't know. I have her back to her.

731
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: I know, ide, Yeah, okay, do you then go and

732
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: tell your daughter's partner that you've just seen his chop

733
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: in the wild.

734
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 4: You've got chop in the wild.

735
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 3: But I would say that if there's any world where

736
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,719
Speaker 3: you can find out I did see you naked and

737
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 3: I haven't told you, it's weirder that.

738
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: You don't mention it.

739
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 4: Some how it comes out. I don't know she knew.

740
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: She if she thought that I thought that that she'd

741
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: seen me.

742
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 3: And hadn't and she hadn't seen anything, then it's like

743
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 3: that we now it feels like you're talking. Can I

744
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 3: add him one more little piece of information? She once

745
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 3: was wearing a full one piece and fully flashed you

746
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 3: completely nude when you're on holiday in Europe.

747
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 4: So I think there's a lot going on here. I

748
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 4: think there's a lot going on here. She's walked in

749
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 4: on you.

750
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 3: She's flashed you completely nude in Europe, shewer as well.

751
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 3: She almost and beautifully. We do have your mother in

752
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 3: law on the phone right now.

753
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 4: Hello, Pim, Hey, Hi, so good to welcome Pim. Welcome,

754
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 4: good to hear your voice.

755
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 3: So, Pim, before we get into why you felt the

756
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 3: need to tell Will that you saw him naked, can

757
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 3: you just run through the circumstances from your perspective of how.

758
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 4: You saw him naked.

759
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 10: Great, Oh, thank you for giving that opportunities. It's because

760
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 10: I did hear real Sorry that that's a different perspective,

761
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 10: and my perspective is very close to what you said Woodie, Like, yes,

762
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 10: I was getting something in the kitchen, so I passed

763
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 10: by his bedroom. The door was full open, and Will

764
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 10: was standing there fully naked in front of the cupboards,

765
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 10: with the face towards the cupboards, and I thought, oh shit,

766
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 10: and it's very noisy here, so he must have heard

767
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 10: me walking past his his room and then he so

768
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 10: I thought he must have known that I passed by,

769
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 10: so that I've seen him naked. And if I would

770
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 10: not have mentioned anything, then I would feel very awkward.

771
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 9: Think, okay, well, how are you doing?

772
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 12: Have a lovely day?

773
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,959
Speaker 10: And all the like like like nothing happened. So I thought,

774
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 10: let's be honest and say, okay, well I saw you.

775
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 10: And guess what Will said? He said, well, Tim, that's

776
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 10: part of living in a house together, isn't it. So

777
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 10: he didn't make because he said, how do you feel

778
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 10: about it that said that I saw you? He said, oh,

779
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 10: well that's part of being together in a house like that.

780
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 7: Yea.

781
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,959
Speaker 10: So I thought, okay, that's fine for me too.

782
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 4: Wow.

783
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 10: So I just wanted to know that's my version.

784
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 4: It's great that's coming out, I think.

785
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 3: To explain what Will said that his dad would frequently

786
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 3: do nude yoga, I'm not sure if Will's told you that,

787
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: but yeah, yeah, yeah, be careful when you stay with

788
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 3: the McMahon parents because there's a lot of.

789
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 4: New yoga that goes on. So obviously this is quite

790
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 4: normal for you.

791
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 3: I can I just ask you, Bim, do you think

792
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 3: from your perspective, it was a little bit odd that

793
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: Will wasn't standing with a towel around his waist when

794
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: he was just norris.

795
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 10: O, no no, no, no no, no, I'm purpose it's his

796
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 10: house and it's well, he's sweet to walk naked around

797
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 10: wherever he wants to you do.

798
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 2: Remember you are talking to a like practically a nudis

799
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: dear like she has stripped off in your shower before

800
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: you did.

801
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:05,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, I gave you a.

802
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 10: And I already thought, oh my god, this is the

803
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 10: third time I'm getting an image of being a woman.

804
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 10: Who is this all lady of sixty two years old

805
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 10: who loves to see younger man naked. That's not I'll

806
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 10: share a different version of myself next time.

807
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 4: Okay, No, I keep showing the same version, Pim.

808
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 3: This version is so amazing, And sorry, Pim, can I

809
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 3: bring up one more story?

810
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 4: Sorry, I just love talking to you because I know

811
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 4: Will gets a bit awkward and this is brilliant.

812
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 3: But on a family holiday, so Will was holidaying with you,

813
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 3: and I think your ex partner Frank was there, and

814
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 3: Sem was there, and there was a situation where you

815
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 3: thought Will was Frank and it just jumped in and

816
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 3: cream I'm wrong here, but you were wearing like a

817
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 3: full onesie or overalls, and because you thought it was Frank,

818
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 3: you dropped the overalls.

819
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 2: And no, no, she knew I was in the car.

820
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 2: She knew while I was in the car. Yeah, well,

821
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: she was walking along the driveway.

822
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, oh shit, yes I did that too.

823
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: More wollen Woody goodness after this, it's the Women Woody Podcast, unfortunately.

824
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 2: Having a laugh with.

825
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 15: Captain pooh Pants about his foray onto the airwaves as

826
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 15: Kirsty the twenty two year old woman talking about an

827
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 15: incident in a kindergun life.

828
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 3: So that hats off to the big guy because we're

829
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 3: in a situation there where so we dumped a call

830
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 3: a call a swar and we can't go to another

831
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 3: caller there, so we're really just nowhere in that situation.

832
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 3: So hats off to pooh Pants for being willing, yeah

833
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:54,959
Speaker 3: to speak.

834
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: Like well, the girl the bit was, the bit was fucked,

835
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: like we were gone, we were without a paddle in

836
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: big trouble. And he came on the air waves and

837
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: he put his body on the line, put his head

838
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: over the pill, and respect the hell out of that.

839
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 16: Good And now in the same show where you were

840
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 16: saying that we're all bad producers, so.

841
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but good producers, bad producers can put their

842
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 2: body on the line. Absolutely. Heath Hocking resident Body on

843
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: the line in twenty seventeen just made a footy reference

844
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 2: to me, not just to you. To everyone who listens,

845
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 2: and it's a it's a football reference from six years

846
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 2: ago about a fring Essendon player. So don't hot because

847
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: if they were hot, then I'd makon ething was hot.

848
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 2: And I'm going to take that back. Actually he was

849
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: a great player. I loved him absolutely. I mean body,

850
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: body on the line player, fringe player, but body of

851
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 2: the wine player.

852
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 4: Very important. Plant. We've got to stop talking about AFL.

853
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, sure yeah. Anyway, who thought Heath

854
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 2: Hocking would make it into the make it into this

855
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 2: but he has. Now I do want to talk very quick,

856
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: great arms, great, great tackler, very stronger. Now let's talk

857
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 2: about this. This the final bit of what we didn't

858
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 2: get to talk continue to talk about during that Esther

859
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: Parrell question, which was awesome, and one of the callers

860
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: touched on not caring what other people think about you,

861
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: and you said that you and men were talking about

862
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 2: this the other night.

863
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 3: Which would ut of ages. So mem and I have

864
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 3: got the game as well. It's just so good. We

865
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 3: keep talking about just.

866
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 4: Going by it. Great? What's it called? Should we begin?

867
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 3: You just flip a card over and eat dinner and.

868
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: You're on Esther Perel's website est h here.

869
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, your conversation would be so good, but so mem

870
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 3: and I both realized it wasn't that question, but it

871
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 3: was another question. But we both realized that we're two

872
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 3: people who care a lot about what people think. We

873
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 3: were both talking about how awful that can be. And

874
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 3: I think the worst the worst that can be is

875
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 3: when you're changing who you are or you're becoming an

876
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: inauthentic person because you're just doing what you think you

877
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 3: need to do to impress the people. And that's not

878
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 3: only is that tiring, but also it's just like, well,

879
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 3: it's making you a fake person. But if you have

880
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 3: a healthy level of caring what people think, it makes

881
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 3: you a very good, warm person.

882
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 2: And if you lost an a cautious person as well,

883
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 2: because it means that you're aware of what other people

884
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 2: are thinking, which means that you're factoring that in who

885
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 2: But here's the kicker for mine and I think this

886
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 2: is the interesting bit. I think the interesting bit is

887
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: a like a person who I am envious of is

888
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: someone who is aware of what other people think, respects

889
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: what other people think, accepts what other people think, but

890
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 2: can still be themselves. Yeah, that's the dream you're so,

891
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: you know, like and you can almost choose. It's funny.

892
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 2: Actually my not She's come up for a lot this show,

893
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: but she deserves to. My mother in law, Pim. She

894
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 2: is a very very very independent person, very real person,

895
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: and she she I remember speaking of this. We were

896
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: on holiday and I was making fun of her when

897
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: we were in the car. I was making fun of

898
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: her about her lack of direction or something and I

899
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: was just joking around about it. Yeah, and she looked

900
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 2: at me and she said, she said, I'm so happy.

901
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: I'm so happy to realize that your words have have

902
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: absolutely no effect on me.

903
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 4: Brilliant And I was like, well done, Pim, what do

904
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 4: you mean.

905
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: I've just realized. I'm so happy to realize that, Like

906
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: I've fully heard everything you've said and I could not

907
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 2: give a shit, but like I was like, fuck god,

908
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: I get there. But that is but I think for

909
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 2: people that for people, that you can still be aware

910
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: of what other people think about you and be respectful

911
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 2: of them without being an asshole and still transcend it.

912
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: I think that I think that space does exist.

913
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 3: Can I say, Pim? Is also the other thing you

914
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 3: brought up was presence, being present, is incredibly present, credibly present.

915
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 3: Sometimes I feel like when I talked to her, and

916
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 3: I probably only had a you know, five or six

917
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 3: decent conversations with Pim. This is obviously she lives in Holland.

918
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 3: But I feel like sometimes when I talk to her

919
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 3: one on one, it's like, you know when Darth Vader

920
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 3: in Star Wars manages to like grip someone's neck from

921
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 3: a distance and you're just.

922
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 4: You're locked in.

923
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so take away theression there, but like it's like

924
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 3: she just locks you in and you're like, whoa, I'm

925
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 3: talking to you and everything else has just disappeared. It's

926
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 3: extraordinary that ability that she's got.

927
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she's yeah, exactly about She's incredibly present person,

928
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: which is another one of those qualities that we brought up. Yeah. Yeah,

929
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: And I suppose they kind of lead for me, They

930
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: kind of link into each other a little bit. I

931
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: think people that are incredibly present are only able to

932
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: be incredibly present because they're not thinking about what of

933
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 2: the people are thinking about.

934
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 4: That true, Yah, they.

935
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 2: Really go hand in hand because you're spending your time

936
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 2: because you notice the people that aren't present, the people

937
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: that are worried about what the conversations at the end

938
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 2: of the table or what the person obviously they might

939
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 2: be thinking. You see it on them. They're agitated, their

940
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 2: eyes are flickering around, they're jumping around in conversation, they're

941
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 2: not listening properly. They could be somewhere else. They should,

942
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: They may as well be somewhere else.

943
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 4: It's very different.

944
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 3: It's interesting when you can when you're when you're trying

945
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 3: to be the thing that you think other people around

946
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 3: want you to be, it's like you need to overthink

947
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 3: everything you say. I actually stutter a little bit when

948
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 3: I do it. That's when I noticed it in myself.

949
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: It's like I'm trying too hard to think about what

950
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 3: to say.

951
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 4: I'm not just saying.

952
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 3: But when you're really comfortable in a space, I find

953
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 3: my conversation is a lot more fluid because it's not

954
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 3: me thinking about what to say. Yeah, I'm just saying.

955
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 3: It's just on my mind. I'm talking to you as

956
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 3: soon as you're going. I'm cross checking everything I'm saying

957
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 3: and putting it through a really tight filter based on

958
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 3: my like the people I'm with. That's when it gets

959
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 3: a bit like, oh, I don't even know what I'm saying,

960
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 3: because you don't you're trying to.

961
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 16: It's because you're worried that you're gonna hurt the them,

962
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 16: or you want to be cool.

963
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 2: Or like what do you think that?

964
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 4: A bit of all of it, all of it. I

965
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 4: don't want to hurt someone. I don't want to I

966
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 4: want to be cool around them. Ye.

967
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 3: Wow, so you're you're you need to. It's it's and

968
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 3: it's slower because it's like your brain's going through. This

969
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 3: is what I've been aware of myself, and it's really

970
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 3: nice when I can feel myself going, oh, I'm just

971
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 3: talking at the moment.

972
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 4: This is really cool.

973
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you realize that, yeah.

974
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: I'm just talking, it's so much easier because I'm not

975
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 3: actually thinking about what to say.

976
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 4: I'm just saying.

977
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just responding naturally.

978
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 4: Yes.

979
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: But then on the radio when you're performing, do you

980
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 2: have that do you like?

981
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 16: Because you're obviously probably thinking a lot.

982
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: But we actually spoke about We actually spoke about this

983
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: the other night actually when we had dinner, and I

984
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: remember talking to you about this.

985
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: Did we Jesus Christ, we had a couple.

986
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: Believe we didn't get will out of that vice the

987
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 2: place was closing when we left. I remember talking to

988
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: you about this because I'm saying that I think on

989
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: radio the best radio now is I think for you

990
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 2: and I a point where we can relax and wh're

991
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: not I think when you do something a lot, you

992
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: build up like a you built up muscle memory. Yeah,

993
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: And I think with radio, you hear it when we

994
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 2: come back from holiday. You going from holiday in the

995
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 2: first week is normally like we have to concentrate more,

996
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,959
Speaker 2: which means that the topics still run and the show

997
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 2: still works, but the chat's not normally as good, there's

998
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,479
Speaker 2: not as much flow. But I feel like when we're

999
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: doing it for a while, the muscle memory for I

1000
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: know how to structure a spot sort of runs on

1001
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: its own, and then you relax more into the bit,

1002
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 2: so you're not thinking about the bit and you're just

1003
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 2: responding in the bit, and that's when it sounds the best,

1004
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: because it sounds shit when you're over it, when you're

1005
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: thinking and talking, and so you're thinking and talking. Do

1006
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: you find that that's different to.

1007
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 4: When you're doing it in social situations?

1008
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 3: I see in the radio situation, I feel very comfortable

1009
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 3: when say with you as well, Tom but especially with

1010
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 3: Will in the studio, it's like I'm just talking to

1011
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 3: a friend, right, so you're not having that I'm thinking

1012
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 3: about everything I'm saying.

1013
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 4: But you're right there.

1014
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 3: It's it's different, But I think on radio there's obviously

1015
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 3: still a part of you which is like, well, don't

1016
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 3: say something incredibly inappropriate.

1017
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 2: But that's really strange.

1018
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 3: But even like for me though, it's like, I'm not

1019
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 3: It's not like I need to think, oh, don't say

1020
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 3: an inappropriate because quite genuinely don't.

1021
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 4: I don't say those sorts of things. I think you

1022
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 4: just need to. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know

1023
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 4: what the difference is. That's a good question.

1024
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: I think it all happens at at a subconscious level.

1025
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 2: My point is everything, if you're trying to consciously think

1026
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 2: about it, that's when it Yeah, that's when you lose it. Yeah, yeah,

1027
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 2: I do anyway.

1028
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 3: And when you're trying to had you, when I'm thinking

1029
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 3: about the outcome of what we're doing, I can feel

1030
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 3: myself snap out of it. And then you go into

1031
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 3: that space of well, I'm thinking about what I need

1032
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 3: to say, and then you're bringing back in presents. You're

1033
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 3: not president all, no, you're not. And that's when those

1034
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 3: days you feel like you might miss something. Someone says

1035
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 3: as well.

1036
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're not. You're just not listening.

1037
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, that's when you know it's bad, when it's

1038
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 3: like I'm not listening.

1039
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you do it. I think sometimes happens with guests, So.

1040
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 4: Guests, it would happen. I feel it with guests.

1041
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 2: If you get it, particularly you get a big enough guest.

1042
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 4: Totally.

1043
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm now worth.

1044
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, go oh my god, I don't

1045
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 4: know how to speak.

1046
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 2: Then well I now work. I know. We've heard this

1047
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 2: chat with junior producer Ab recently and Alys about like

1048
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: when she does guest sheets. Yeah, I can only handle

1049
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 2: particularly if it's a big guest. I can only handle

1050
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: three thoughts.

1051
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, when it's a big.

1052
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: Guest, totally, because it's just the nerves elevate, the show elevates.

1053
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 2: You want to make it worthwhile for them. So I

1054
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 2: just go to myself beforehand, Well, don't worry, you've only

1055
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 2: got three things to bring up. Yeah, you've got ten

1056
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 2: minutes with them. You've got ten minutes with them. You've

1057
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: only got three things to bring up, mate, so you

1058
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: never anything else. Just enjoy yourself. And then if at

1059
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: any stage you get lost, you've got your three things

1060
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 2: to go back to, beause otherwise it just gets too much. Yeah,

1061
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 2: it's just too much. It's just too many things to

1062
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 2: think about. And then again it sounds really shit because

1063
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 2: you've got you're just trying. Everyone's just trying really hard

1064
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 2: to make it good. And they're the worst conversations in

1065
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 2: the world. Right that you walk into a party and oh,

1066
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 2: you know, you walk into a party and you're walking

1067
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: to a group of people who are all trying to

1068
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 2: impress each other. Oh fuck me. You walk out of

1069
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: that circle pretty fast, like if you don't have if

1070
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: you don't have to be there, if you're caught in it,

1071
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 2: it's shocking. But if you don't caught in it, you

1072
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: walk in and you go, oh, well, you guys are

1073
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: showing off. Hi, I just could not leave it any fast.

1074
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 11: Hush.

1075
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 3: You know what I was thinking about that though, is

1076
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 3: that they're all thinking the same most of the time.

1077
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 3: They're all thinking the same thing.

1078
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 4: You're all showing up.

1079
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I better show off. It just takes one

1080
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 3: person to and so one person can crack it. One

1081
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 3: person just takes that show off.

1082
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: Mask off, and stop elevating.

1083
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 4: Always bring it down.

1084
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, stop elevating, yeah.

1085
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I still do that. I know

1086
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 3: that happens when you're walking.

1087
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 2: You're like, I'm there, you could be in a vortex.

1088
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 4: What am I doing? You're doing that thing?

1089
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so true.

1090
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 4: The survival, like you're.

1091
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: Just trying to fit in, just trying to fit in.

1092
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 16: Can I suggest a book for people who are worried

1093
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 16: about what other people think of them?

1094
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 4: Ship?

1095
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 16: Yeah, the Courage to be Disliked. Ryan Shelton always talks

1096
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 16: about it. That's really good.

1097
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 4: That's a funny one.

1098
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 3: That's one of those books where you go great, great, great,

1099
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 3: gonna do it, gonna do it, and you go back

1100
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 3: into the real world and you're like, well, can't do that,

1101
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 3: can't do that?

1102
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 4: Right? Have you done it?

1103
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 3: I've read the book and it's still about all follow

1104
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 3: because the book is it's so good.

1105
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 2: What's the what's one of the things to do?

1106
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 16: Essentially, one of the things is like knowing where your

1107
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Speaker 16: limit is and and what they're limited or what they're

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Speaker 16: what their task is, and what your task is.

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Speaker 2: You can't get involved in other people's tasks.

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Speaker 16: And other people's like, you can't change what they're thinking,

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Speaker 16: so you need to let that go and understand that

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Speaker 16: you can only do what you can do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all I mean. Another way I would phrase

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Speaker 2: that is just boundary setting. Your ability to set boundaries

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Speaker 2: with others is I'm so shit. I was very shit

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Speaker 2: at it mm And then I met Sam, who's like

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Speaker 2: the best boundary setter in the world. You've talked about

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Speaker 2: a lot. He does not do anyone and she does

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Speaker 2: not feel bad about it.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's so good.

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Speaker 2: That's quiet. I mean, it's good. But like sometimes I'm like,

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Speaker 2: can you just right back to them, just do me

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Speaker 2: a favor, like they're reaching out and she's like, well, no,

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Speaker 2: I haven't got space for that right now, Like I

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Speaker 2: just don't. And if they love me then they'll understand,

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Speaker 2: and if they don't, then they they won't talk to

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Speaker 2: me again. And I've probably dodged the bullet there.

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Speaker 3: And as you said, if they react badly to that,

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Speaker 3: that's their things and I'm not in control of that.

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Speaker 4: So however you want to watch that, that's fine.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to continue to do what Yeah, a good chat, bluddy,

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Speaker 3: how's a bit We're going to do more of those questions,

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Speaker 3: I reckon that was that's that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll bring the cards in tomorrow. What are we saying?

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Speaker 2: Yes to the sex questions as well? Absolutely poop pants

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Speaker 2: hearing to Mark Mark Mark the audio viewser sick sick

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Speaker 2: man Mark sex questions, Ester Perel. We're throwing them in

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Speaker 2: the mix for the cards and you can come on.

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Speaker 2: You can come on as cursedy or you want to

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Speaker 2: go on.

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Speaker 4: Give us Cursey to finish off. No, we're not going

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Speaker 4: to stop talking and toil.

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Speaker 2: You give us Cursey Cursey, boys, it's.

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Speaker 14: Not okay, really extracted out the extra.

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Speaker 2: We've extracted our pounded flesh for him today, all right,

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Speaker 2: se