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Speaker 1: Rill podcasting.

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Speaker 2: Now we're going to talk about people who are afraid

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Speaker 2: about going outside and this phenomenon's this phenomenon has been

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Speaker 2: labeled fogo.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, a fear of going outside.

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Speaker 2: Now, obviously we've all been going outside sporadically for exercise,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. But particularly now that restrictions are starting to

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Speaker 2: be lifted, everybody's faced with the thing that they most

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Speaker 2: craved now becoming the most terrifying thing in the world,

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Speaker 2: and that is hanging out with other people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's going to be overwhelming.

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Speaker 3: I reckon, it's fascinating. It's you know, absolutely fascinating, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: I just don't know if I'm ready for that. The

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Speaker 4: chit chat that the chit chat that happens at social events,

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Speaker 4: you know, I think I think chitchat and small talk

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Speaker 4: is a bit of a fitness well.

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Speaker 2: Chitchat is often and the reason I think you're sort

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Speaker 2: of fearing, and I think a lot of people a

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Speaker 2: feeling is chit chat's very much a smoke screen for

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Speaker 2: or I'm uncomfortable in this situation. I'm not comfortable enough

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Speaker 2: to just chill out, to not talk to you, to

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Speaker 2: feel like we can have any sense of comfortable silence

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Speaker 2: between us.

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Speaker 3: And the more I'm thinking about.

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Speaker 2: This, this fogo thing, this fear of going outside, I've

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Speaker 2: started to realize that terrifyingly, and I'm sure this is

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Speaker 2: a realization for a lot of people.

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Speaker 3: Whilst we've been in isolation, I've realized.

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Speaker 2: That I'm so worried about how other people perceive me,

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Speaker 2: and oh yeah, so much of my energy when I

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Speaker 2: do go outside to hang out with other people is

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Speaker 2: focused towards maintaining.

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Speaker 3: My perception.

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Speaker 2: Sure, and I'm sure lots of people are in exactly

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Speaker 2: the same boat, whether it's how you look or how

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Speaker 2: you sound, or what they you know, whether or not

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Speaker 2: they think you're a smart person or a funny person,

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Speaker 2: or you've got this character which you've built for everybody

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Speaker 2: else to sort of you know, that's who you think

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Speaker 2: that like?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sure, And it's tough.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And we've been able to just drop it for

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Speaker 4: quite a while. We've been in our homes. They need

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Speaker 4: to put on the mass and act up or anything.

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Speaker 4: I've had to put pants on for an incredibly long time.

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Speaker 2: And I've taken this to an area that I know,

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Speaker 2: but I've qut a whole sit chat there for a.

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Speaker 3: Second, yell to my world.

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Speaker 4: I'm just waving to a cycle upset pants on, well

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Speaker 4: no proper pants on, like like yeah, like wearing track.

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Speaker 4: I've been wearing trade, but just wearing jeans again. I

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Speaker 4: just don't know if my legs can go through it again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well yeah, okay. Look and then that's here

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Speaker 2: woulds that's you. But look, I don't want to judge you,

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Speaker 2: because I'm sure that for a lot of different reasons,

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Speaker 2: whether it's how other people are perceiving you or whether

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Speaker 2: it's being afraid to put pants.

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Speaker 3: On, we all have an element of fog.

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Speaker 2: That's coming up because we're all going to be forced

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Speaker 2: to go back outside and hang back out with people

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Speaker 2: in the community. You know, a lot of ways. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if they've done this intentionally. I mean, scomo

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Speaker 2: whether or not this five to ten person and thing

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Speaker 2: has also also factored in the psychological toll of everybody.

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Speaker 3: Just being snapped back into hanging out with each other

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Speaker 3: and how intense.

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Speaker 2: That would be for everyone's psychees because there are more

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Speaker 2: the more people I know that are terrified about restrictions

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Speaker 2: being released for those reasons than they are the virus

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Speaker 2: like way more way more.

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Speaker 3: So, here's what I want to do and what I

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Speaker 3: find it's really interesting.

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Speaker 2: So thirty and one I six five, if you've got fog,

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Speaker 2: can you give us a call? Are you afraid of

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Speaker 2: going outside again? Are you afraid of hanging out with

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Speaker 2: other people again? And can you be specific about what

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Speaker 2: it is that you're most afraid of? So, for Woods,

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Speaker 2: it's putting pants on. It might for you it might be,

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Speaker 2: you know, going having to go to a pub where

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Speaker 2: you can rub up against someone's T shirt when you're

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Speaker 2: waiting in a line.

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Speaker 3: I mean, for me right now, that just feels so rank.

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Speaker 2: It might be the fact that you're afraid of going

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Speaker 2: into a business meeting. It might it might be afraid

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Speaker 2: about having to do an uber.

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Speaker 3: Share again with another person in the car. So thirty

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Speaker 3: one O six five let's talk fogo. Have you got it?

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Speaker 2: And special pecifically, can you identify the thing in public

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Speaker 2: life that you've realize you actually don't want to have

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Speaker 2: anything to do with anymore podcasting? Now, Weds, we're talking

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Speaker 2: fogo right now, which is a fear of going outside.

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Speaker 3: It's really starting to take people. It's so funny.

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Speaker 2: The thing that we wanted most was to get out,

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Speaker 2: and now that it's on the table, everyone's going.

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Speaker 3: But I kind of like it here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we got used to no public life, and I think.

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Speaker 2: The amazing thing is that being away from public life,

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Speaker 2: it's been it's become really obvious that a lot of

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Speaker 2: our normal lives.

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Speaker 3: Well I know this is the case for me anyway, I.

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Speaker 2: Actually don't like and I don't actually enjoy doing but

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Speaker 2: I only do it because it's a formality or I'm

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Speaker 2: worried about what people think of me if I don't

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Speaker 2: do it. And so right now we're asking on thirty

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Speaker 2: there a part can you be specific about it? Is

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Speaker 2: there a part of your of your life that you

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Speaker 2: realize you don't like that you won't be going back to?

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Speaker 4: Got Jimmy here on thirty one o six five Jimmy

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Speaker 4: got a bit of fogus?

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Speaker 5: Hey, Hey, how I am? I mean, I listen to

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Speaker 5: you guys. I'm trying to say thanks, thank you once

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Speaker 5: this morning, and I went again tonight. Someone I was

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Speaker 5: playing petrol and this guy came really really close to me,

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Speaker 5: and I felt like offended by that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and then till night again, I was I was

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Speaker 5: with my client and playing am and this guy started

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Speaker 5: talking to me, and I am conscious I was consciously

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Speaker 5: stepping away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so it's just a physical thanks for comment

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Speaker 2: physically close to you?

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Speaker 3: Do you getting metal by I think the whole if

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Speaker 3: you think about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like handshakes are just the most bizarre thing in

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Speaker 2: the world.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I've forgotten how to handshake?

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Speaker 3: Will well we remember to talk about that. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if you've had just like missing like, oh, sorry,

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Speaker 3: I've missed you.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm been out of practice.

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Speaker 2: Physically, it's going to be it's going to be a

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Speaker 2: challenge to shake hands with someone.

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Speaker 3: The actual formality.

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Speaker 2: Seems so bizarre now, Like I actually wonder whether going

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Speaker 2: back to particularly in the office.

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Speaker 3: You know, even like the idea of kissing someone in the.

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Speaker 2: Office Hello, sorry, seems weird, like a kiss on the

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Speaker 2: cheek now, yeah, like it just seems archaic, Like I

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Speaker 2: would never do that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right anymore? Yeah, did you used to do that

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Speaker 3: hugging a kiss?

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Speaker 4: You're hugging and kissing.

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Speaker 2: We'd hugging kiss guests, like if we had a kiss

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Speaker 2: come in the studio, we give them a hugging kiss.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I always toss and turn about that. I get

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Speaker 4: very nervous around guess as you know will. But again

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Speaker 4: I'm finding out I'm just a weird guy.

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Speaker 3: We've got Jade. We got Jade on thirty one and

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Speaker 3: sixty five. Jade. We're talking Fogo.

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Speaker 2: Is there a part of public life which you're pretty

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Speaker 2: happy to not go back to?

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Speaker 1: Yes? So I've got two kids, they're ten and eight,

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Speaker 1: and between them there's three sporting matches on a Saturday

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Speaker 1: that I go to and I'm sorry, I just can't anymore.

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Speaker 1: I will not be going.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, kids is murder, and also the fact that the

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Speaker 2: person you're standing shoulder to shoulder with, the only thing

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Speaker 2: you have in common is the fact that their kids

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Speaker 2: throw a ball to each other.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, be' not.

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Speaker 4: Even good at its brutal, brutal, honest.

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Speaker 2: We've got ash Ash We're talking Fogo. The fear of

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Speaker 2: going outside, which a lot of people are experiencing right now,

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Speaker 2: and we're talking about specifically. Which part of public life

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Speaker 2: have you realized that you're just not into anymore?

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Speaker 6: Well, I just really enjoy having a nap at home

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Speaker 6: in the middle of the day, so no one. I

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Speaker 6: can't do that at work. People are going to know,

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Speaker 6: and I can't just be like, yeah, don't mind me

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Speaker 6: while I have an app and nobody's aware of it

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Speaker 6: at the moment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In general, in general, just that ability to say to someone,

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Speaker 2: even if you've got a meeting, hey, I've got to

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Speaker 2: go and do something else and just lie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: No, you're right, we're going to be made accountable in personality.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, all of a sudden, we can't. I

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Speaker 3: think we should do port shows forever.

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Speaker 4: Oh, you have the conversation with our boss about port

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Speaker 4: shows forever. I'd be happy to do it, though, woulds

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Speaker 4: You're gonna yeah, oh no, well yeah, well, I mean

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Speaker 4: it is in my front room.

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Speaker 3: Something going to sort out. Okay, maybe not to talk

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Speaker 2: On rad yeah yeah, but good like everybody, thanks your

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Speaker 2: calls on the Foco front.

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Speaker 3: I know it is.

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Speaker 2: It's buddy interesting stuff, and I just thinking, really true

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Speaker 2: with the insight that you've got going on, if you

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Speaker 2: realize you don't like something, I think it's the next

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Speaker 2: step is going to be the hardest part, which is

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Speaker 2: being really bold to actually decide to cut it out.

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Speaker 2: What will be fascinating is how quickly we all fall

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Speaker 2: back into the patterns that.

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Speaker 3: Once were our lives.

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Speaker 4: We have good intentions, don't we just like keep these change.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be a really, really slippery slope. I

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Speaker 3: reckon see what you're hearing.

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