WEBVTT - Tammy Hembrow’s Getting Divorced 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:05.440 Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:09.360 hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:12.960 Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembro 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:17.960 confirms she's divorcing Matt Sakowski and Sarah's day unveils her 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:21.840 yummy mummy luxury car. But first, Kate, the missing piece 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:25.079 of the Outspoken family, is finally here. Oh, and he 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:28.280 is just so perfect. Even though you had Harry what 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:31.320 eight or nine weeks ago, I still can't get over 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:34.400 how small newborn babies are. They grow so quickly. Yes, 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:37.760 and Sophie, of course gave birth to Luca Archie. Kate, 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:39.879 you keep saying his name is Archie. That's the name 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:42.600 of her dog. Oh, I know, it's really confusing. Even 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:45.159 in the script I wrote Archie Luca, I was like, oops, 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:48.960 so Archie is Sophie and Brandon's firstborn, but Luca is 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:54.280 the nonferred baby, real baby. He is just so cute. Yeah, 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:55.800 we were trying to work out who he looked like. 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:58.120 I mean, immediately when I saw him, I went, he 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:01.160 looks like Sophie as a baby, But then Paul's expressions 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:04.240 that look like Brandon Yeah, it's definitely a mix this 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:07.160 time because Amy, you and I basically gave birth to 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.720 our husbands. I don't know. A lot of people now 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.360 have been saying that Harry looks like me. Even sorry 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:15.479 family yesterday all said he looks like you. I think 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:17.640 they're being polite. He literally looks like a minni Dale 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:20.560 to me. I often go to call him Dale. But 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:22.559 I am getting a lot of the names confused because 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:24.600 now I'm calling Jack Harry, and now that Luca's in 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:26.800 the picture, I mean I'm also getting Archie in there too. 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:27.080 Yeah. 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:29.640 Well, they've all got similar amount of letters in them, 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:32.440 so it is kind of getting confusing all of these boys' names. 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:35.200 But what was going to be even more confusing was 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:38.560 the fact that Luca was scheduled to be born on 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.600 Jack's birthday up until the very last minute. 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:41.880 Yeah. 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:44.720 I think we'll go into that more on Sovie's birth episode, 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:46.959 because we do have a clip of her telling me 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:49.320 I didn't realize I was being recorded. We thought your 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:51.320 reaction was going to be so poor. We just thought 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:54.000 it would be funny to actually have it recorded. I 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.880 acted really nice. Yeah, we were shocked. We're like, oh, okay, 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:59.760 this isn't that this isn't that entertaining. Well, I thought 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:01.760 it might be kind of nice for the boys to 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:05.160 share a birthday because we've grown up sharing our birthdays, 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:07.040 and I was like, Oh, that's really cute that they'll 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:09.600 be connected in that way. But as the weeks went on, 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:11.600 I was kind of like, hang on, it's not fair 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:14.359 that they're going to have to share their birthday. And 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:16.519 Sophie ended up getting a call I think it was 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:19.799 a week before the c section, to say, actually, you're 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.320 a day earlier, so they're one day apart. 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:22.600 Now. 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:25.120 I think that's a lot better. I actually saw jar 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:27.400 Dae Tunci and her sister had the same thing happened 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:30.320 to them. So jar Day's sister's baby was born i 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:32.680 think the day after her son, Fletcher, and I'm like, 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:34.760 oh my god, it's more common than you think. Well, 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:37.480 I think you guys are paranoid that people might have thought, oh, 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:40.240 you plan to have the babies on the same day, 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:42.720 because of course, Sophie and I got proposed to on 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.400 the same day. Our weddings were nine weeks apart. I 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:47.600 think Sophie was just thinking, I wish there was just 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.320 something I had on my own. Yeah, it's always growing 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:52.680 up with all that freaky triplet stuff. As much as 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:56.040 you try not to be the same, there are similar occurrences. 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.720 And I was like, oh, not this again, just while 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.720 you're transitioning back from maternity leave to full time work 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:03.960 for Outspoken, I say that as you have Harry on 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.320 your lab. I'm so sorry. Of course he's just making 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.520 all of these noises. He's meant to be asleep. But 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:13.920 here that other Oh have other ideas. Yeah, So, as 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.040 you can see, we are trying to manage everything, and 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:18.640 that's why we've got a Tammy Hembro Deep Dive ready 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:20.520 to go for the next couple of weeks. I think 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.440 it should be four parts, but considering everything that's been happening, 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:25.680 who knows, it may turn into a fifth part. Yeah, 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:27.840 I think you need an extra episode actually. Yeah, So 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:29.440 for the next couple of weeks, we'll be doing a 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:31.920 regular Tuesday show and then we'll be dropping a Deep 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:35.640 Dive episode on Fridays. We also still have our Outspoken 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:40.160 Plus subscriber only episodes that are released on Thursdays. 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:49.119 I wanted to finally tell you guys that I am 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:53.680 going to be getting a divorce Tammy Hembro has announced 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:57.520 she's divorcing Matt Sakowski after just seven months of marriage. 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.800 The well Wind romance captivated Audio and says thanks to 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.680 the many ups and downs, from getting engaged in the 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:06.920 Maldives after dating long distance for three months, to the 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.880 Grand Prix cheating scandal, It's been a wild ride for 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:14.000 Tammy's seventeen million followers. Kay we have spoken at length 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:17.280 on the podcast about this relationship, and listeners will know 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:21.000 that breakup rumors have been swirling for months since the 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:24.719 couple unfollowed each other on Instagram in March. Now, despite 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:28.240 knowing all of that, it didn't make it easier watching 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:32.360 Tammy confirm the news on TikTok. I'm absolutely shattered for her, 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:34.680 and I know that there will be some listeners saying, oh, 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.720 she should have seen the red flags, But she's still 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:40.320 a woman who just wanted to be loved. And I've 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:43.919 consumed a lot of Tammy Hembro content and my observation 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:47.360 is that she is a hopeless romantic that loves love 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.799 and she fought really hard for this relationship with Matt. 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:54.120 This is despite her sister's publicly warning her that she 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:57.040 shouldn't marry him. She went ahead with her anyway, And 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.800 that's why it was so difficult to watch, because Tammy 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.359 did have to admit on camera that she was wrong 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.560 and that in fact, her sisters were right. And having sisters, 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:07.479 I know how difficult that is to admit when you 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.600 are in the wrong. Oh. It reminded me of the 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:13.360 toxic relationship I used to be in, and it would 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:15.760 have been so hard to say, actually, you've been right 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.400 because I stayed in this relationship because I kind of 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:20.559 wanted to prove a point that you guys were wrong. 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:23.760 And I almost feel like that's what's happened in this situation. 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:26.680 And it was clear how anxious Tammy was on camera. 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.400 She was shaking when she confirmed the news. Let's take 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:29.880 a listen. 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.200 I feel like, oh my gosh, this is giving me 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:40.400 so much anxiety. Oh my god, I'm worry just have tissues, 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:44.400 not about my makeup, Okay. 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:53.640 So I wanted to finally tell you guys that I 0:05:53.720 --> 0:06:07.360 am going to be getting a divorce. I know, I 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:12.839 know a lot of you have been. I know a 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:17.239 lot of you have been, you know, following my journey 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:18.000 for years. 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:24.120 So I wanted to be open about it and you know, 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:28.719 I do feel like for me, addressing with you guys 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:29.480 is sort of. 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:34.279 Therapeutic, Like it's sort of like the next step for me. 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:42.120 I guess, uh, it's not. I don't want to get 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:48.440 into details, and I just you know, I'm not one 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:52.760 to try and like bring anyone down. I don't want to, like, 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.880 I just want to be sensitive to everyone involved. I 0:06:56.880 --> 0:07:00.480 don't want to talk about anyone other than my to 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:02.680 be honest. 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.760 I really wasn't surprised to hear Tammy say that she 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.760 wasn't going to go into the details, although I was disappointed, 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.800 but that has really been her go to strategy with 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:16.080 her breakups with her former fiances of course, Reese Hawkins 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:17.080 and also Matt Paul. 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:17.440 Yeah. 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.640 The big difference though here is that Tammy has children 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:24.160 with Reese and Matt Paul, but not with Matt Sakowski, 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.320 and I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up dropping 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.920 details as time goes on. I think it will also 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:33.280 depend on Matt's behavior and how he acts. Yeah, but 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:35.680 in saying that, things did get a little bit nasty 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.560 between Tammy and Reese, but we never actually found out 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:42.400 what really caused their breakup, Whereas with Matt Sakowski. I 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:46.640 think she may open up about what caused the breakdown eventually, 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.440 and she did drop the other day that she's thinking 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:51.840 of starting her own podcast, so I would not be 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:55.440 surprised if her first episode was all about her breakup. 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:57.280 I think it's a little bit of a fuck you 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.360 to Matt as well, because he clearly is very focused 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.880 on his own podcast, Where's Your Head At? And even 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.760 though he's tried really hard to get listeners across from 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.239 Tammy's following, it just hasn't worked. 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:08.560 Yeah. 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:11.040 I think there's been a lot of conversation around Matt 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.040 looking like he's a bit of a clout chaser for 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:17.320 going after Tammy. But the funny thing is it really 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.920 hasn't affected his follower out positively. I think he's been 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.400 on what like one hundred and fifty thousand followers for 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.160 a very long time. You think dating someone with seventeen 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:30.040 million followers would actually bump up your following, but he's 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.880 been very much disliked by her fans. Yeah, I mean, 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.320 I can see why you touched on the Grand Prix 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.079 cheating scandal that happened very early on in their relationship. 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.520 I don't think that he's ever fully recovered from that. 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:43.920 I think there was a bit more love going Matt's 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.640 way after their wedding and when they went on their honeymoon. 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:48.960 I think people were thinking, oh, well, maybe he is 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.240 in it for the right reasons and maybe he's treating 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.199 Tammy well, so let's be happy for them. But that 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:58.320 really ended so quickly because after their honeymoon, we didn't 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:00.320 really see much much of Matt. I think the last 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:02.760 post we saw of them together was Matt spooking some 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:06.400 kind of wedding photo album that he had created that 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:07.960 was around Valentine's Day. 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:08.559 Now. 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:12.040 During her statement, Tammy said that she never wanted or 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.439 expected to break up with Matt and thought that their 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:17.760 marriage would last forever. She conceded, though, that there was 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:22.000 no other option but divorce. Tammy also revealed she's currently 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:24.679 in therapy, and she said that she realizes she has 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:26.960 a lot of growing to do. Here's more of what 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:27.439 she said. 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:34.000 I blame no one but myself, to be honest, I 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:38.200 feel like I've made not the best choices when it 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:41.200 comes to relationships. 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:41.160 And I've. 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:46.760 You know, i feel like I'm really good at putting 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:52.560 on rose colored classes or She's getting like swept up 0:09:52.600 --> 0:10:04.080 and in it all. Obviously the worst part for me 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.840 is that like I have kids, like I don't, I 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:12.440 don't care about me, like I know I'll be okay, 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:16.160 but I just I feel obviously fu I obviously feel 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:18.080 awful for like. 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:21.440 I feel. 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:22.800 I just felt awful. 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:25.520 Oh my god, stop crying. 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:29.360 Stop cry. Obviously I've like I get a lot of 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:34.800 nasty comments being like, oh another marriage, like this is 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:41.079 my first marriage, just FYI, But no comment that anyone 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.480 could say, like, these comments haven't even been really getting 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:46.640 to me, because nothing to anyone could say could make. 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:48.319 Me feel like. 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:54.079 More like shit than I already do, like more humiliated 0:10:54.760 --> 0:11:01.880 or more I'm like I already they think that about 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:06.720 myself right now, so they don't think those comments get 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:16.800 to me because I'm already there. Ah, end of the day, 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:21.200 I know this is what needs to happen. 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:26.720 Whatever you think about Tammy Hembro on a human level, 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:30.880 that really hurt to listen to, especially when she put 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:34.319 a reputation on the line for Matt Zakowski and it's 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:36.760 all blown up in her face. Well, she mentioned in 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:40.200 Their Feeling Humiliated that quote of hers has been splashed 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.680 all over the media, and I think this relationship with 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:45.400 Matt Zakowski is going to be one that haunts her 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:47.760 for a long time. I mean, it's just so sad, 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:52.679 particularly with three children involved. And when they started dating, 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:56.160 there was a lot of judgment masked as folk concern 0:11:56.240 --> 0:12:00.120 about Tammy introducing her kids too early to Matt, and 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:01.960 it would be really difficult for Tammy to be like, 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:04.880 hang on, yeah, you were right to be concerned. I 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:05.720 shouldn't have done that. 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:06.640 Yeah. 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.640 And Tammy's son Wolf especially got really close to Matt. 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.360 They seem to have a special relationship. I also think 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.760 the fact that Tammy actually married Matt would have made 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:17.520 it really different for the kids. They would have gone, 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.000 this is my new stepdad. I mean. It was only 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:23.800 recently that Matt appeared on Shameless Media's Inherited podcast and 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.640 he spoke about the role of being a stepdad and 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.680 how important and special it was to him, considering that 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:32.040 he's been very open about the fact that he'll find 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:36.000 it difficult to naturally conceive a child. At the time, 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.560 there was a lot of backlash aimed at Shameless for 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:42.080 having Mat Sakowski on the podcast. Yeah, and that's actually 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.480 continued now that the breakup has gone live, people like 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:46.880 you should never have given him the platform. Well, I 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:49.240 wonder when that interview was actually recorded and if he 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.920 was honest with the team about what his relationship was 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:54.959 currently with Tammy. Yeah, I mean, to be fair to 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.360 Shameless Media, I think it was a good get for them. 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.120 I think it probably got a lot of downloads. And 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.960 I also think that Shameless Media's intention was probably to 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:06.240 have a really raw conversation with Matt about what it's 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:08.240 like being a stepdad. But I don't think he stepped 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.840 up to the plate. The conversation itself was bizarre, but 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.120 it was more bizarre from Matt's perspective. I think the 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.600 questions they actually asked him were very strong, but he 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:17.800 just didn't come to the table. 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:18.760 It was just a. 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.880 Very strange mix. Now. I want to talk more about 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:26.040 Tammy's sisters in this scenario, because on Wednesday, before this 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:29.520 announcement went live, Tammy shared a special post for her 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:33.040 sister Amy's birthday, writing, thank you for always being there 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:35.560 for me and for loving me through every season and 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.880 through every version of me. You've wiped my tears, told 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:40.840 me the truth even when I didn't want to hear it, 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.680 and you've given advice even when I refused to listen. 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:47.760 With a crying face emoji. Fast forward to Sunday, during 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.080 Tammy's divorce announcement, she then said this. 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:57.200 There's a lesson and everything, and hopefully this time I 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:11.280 love it, and you know, hopefully I am more cautious 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:18.600 going forward and more you know, just eyes wide open 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:22.400 and you know, like listen to the people are at 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:30.280 me in Hopefully I just finally learned from these sex 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:37.000 which I feel like I finally will. But yeah, super embarrassing, 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:43.960 super heartbreaking, super just shit situation. 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.760 Now, just for some context, if you cast your mind 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.880 back to October, Tammy's older sisters Emily and Amy famously 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:55.520 called Matt out during an interview on his podcast. It 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.960 was the most awkward interview I've ever heard, And I 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.040 still don't get how Matt thought it was a good 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.280 idea to share it. He must have been so desperate 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.320 for rating it. Is it because Matt doesn't edit the podcast, 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:08.960 like because did he not listen to it back at all? 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.080 Surely he had to give it the green light, But 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:12.960 in the moment you knew it was a train rope 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:14.880 from the game. Maybe he thought there'd be some bits 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:16.920 edited out. I mean, they couldn't have made it any 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.600 clear or how much they despised him. They literally called 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:22.960 him an immature baby and said that they had massive 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:26.760 concerns about their relationship. I remember them going on about 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.320 how they thought it was so rude that when they 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:31.520 came over to Tammy's house, Matt was acting like it 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:33.920 was his own, and that kind of gave off the 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:38.280 impression that maybe Matt was coming across like a gold digger, 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.600 or just that he was really enjoying being in Tammy's mansion. Yeah. Well, 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.240 I went back and re listened to the episode, and 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:48.400 I had forgotten that one week into their relationship, Tammy 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:52.160 and Matt announced to her family that they were loping. Yeah, 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.880 and that news led to a crisis meeting with a 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.520 Hembro family where things got really heated. This is what 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:58.960 Emily said about it. 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.360 When you guys said you were getting engaged, I was like, 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:07.480 he must be that delusional. I was really concerned because 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:12.160 she is, like, she's spontaneous, and she's a fun spirit, 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:13.800 and she likes to do what she wants to do. 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:16.200 But for a guy to come in and think that's 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.360 okay when she's got a one year old. Like, I 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:19.880 thought that was a big red flag. 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:23.600 We're talking about things haunting Tammy, hembro, this must be 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:27.040 top of the list, especially this warning from Emily. 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:32.760 I just hope you know marriage is a serious thing. Yeah, 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:38.720 it is actually a serious thing. And like I hope 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:42.120 you don't make any mistakes, Like I really pray and 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:45.240 hope that you don't do anything to hurt Tammy. 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:47.840 I'm not gonna hurt Tammy. I have no intention of 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:51.680 hurting Tammy. Geez, that quote did not age well from 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:55.000 Matt Szakowski. The sad thing is often it's people like 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.800 your sisters who can see the red flags. I mean, 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.120 Matt was clearly love bombing Tamy. To be fair, we 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:04.359 don't know what was going on inside their relationship, but 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:08.680 from my perspective of having experienced a toxic relationship, normally 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:12.199 the person tries to turn you against your family, and 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:16.040 often when the family are calling out bad behavior, it 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.200 then in this weird way, forces you together and you're 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:21.800 like this team against them. And I think it seems 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:24.199 like that's what's happened, and she would situation and she 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.680 probably stopped telling her sisters things that Matt had done 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.000 that might have been even bigger red flags for fear 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.520 of them being really judgmental and hating Matt even more now. 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.760 A couple of hours after Tammy's announcement, Matt posted his 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:39.919 own statement to his Instagram story. He wrote, it is 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:41.840 with a heavy heart that I share that Tammy and 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.880 I have decided to separate. Both of us have struggled 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:47.320 with making this decision. However, we need to do what 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:50.960 is right for ourselves and her three children. This wasn't 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.800 a decision we took lightly. Our time together will always 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:57.159 be cherished and never forgotten. We appreciate everyone's support and 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:00.399 space at this time as we navigate the split. I 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:02.320 love at the end. How Matt tried to make out 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:04.520 like it was some kind of joint statement with the WII, 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:07.040 It's like, no, you've had to rush out this statement. 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.760 I saw some people saying was this possibly a chat 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:13.000 GPT job. Some people was questioning whether his mum wrote it, 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:14.800 and that was a bit of a dig because before 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.280 he moved into Tammy's mansion on the Gold Coast, he 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:20.240 was living with his mum in Melbourne. What really stood 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.760 out to me was the wording of her three children, 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:25.960 which was pretty upsetting, I think because he took on 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.359 the role of stepfather and it's quite clear he didn't 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.320 really take it very serious. So it would have been 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:33.000 more bizarre if he said our three children. True, But 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.080 there's a way of saying it, like it felt very 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:38.920 cold and callous. What could be for ourselves and the children? 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.920 I mean, breakups aren't about winning. But if you were 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:45.080 putting those two announcements together, Tammy is in the lead 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:47.360 by a million miles. But I think what it boils 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.840 down to is this was a rush job by Matt. 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.399 He clearly didn't know Tammy was going to go and 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:54.040 put that TikTok out on Sunday. 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:54.400 Yeah. 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.600 But in saying that, I think Tammy's announcement was very strong. 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:01.280 It really regnized her. I was pleasantly surprised by the reaction. 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.480 I was a little bit worried about how hard people 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:05.200 would go on her. But I don't know if it's 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:07.399 just the era that we're in at the moment, with 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:10.119 Indy Clinton calling out trolls and all of the tattle 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:12.560 life stuff that people are actually saying, Oh, that's a 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:14.360 real person in the middle of this. Yeah, I think 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.240 it's because in the video she actually owned up the 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:19.800 things she said. You know, it was my fault. I 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:23.760 was warned about this and it really humanized her. But 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:26.280 also it took away things that people can say to 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:28.040 her because she already said it. She's like, yeah, I 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:30.199 get swept up in this and she only needed to 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:32.000 learn from it. You know, I thought I had grown, 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:34.600 but clearly not. I think clearly Matt's got a bit 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:36.919 of work to do moving forward as well, because I 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:39.280 was a little bit disappointed. While he was trying to 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:42.800 push on his Instagram story that things were okay between them, 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.240 he couldn't help but hit back at a commenter that 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:48.760 praised Tammy. So someone wrote, actually don't understand how this 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.119 man could or would want to stuff it up. Tammy 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:53.840 is a dream girl, to which Matt responded, you don't 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:57.480 know her. That's just low to go onto the comment section. 0:19:57.960 --> 0:19:58.120 Well. 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:01.399 Matt also liked another comment which read, finally he's free. 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.920 It's reminding me of Morgan Waterhouse, who was Olivia rodgers 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:07.280 ex behavior when they broke up. You know, when his 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.439 immature friends came out like h she eat slept with 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:13.560 this pant's like no fuck off? Like yeah, do you 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:15.560 think she's going to come back from attorney to leave 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:17.720 early to do a tell all episode. I think so, 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:20.520 because this has turned into very big news. I think 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:23.200 the fact that they had their wedding in Vogue as 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:26.800 well has made this even more of a national story. 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:30.040 I mean it's international even it's international news. And the 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:33.639 timing of Tammy coming out and confirming the divorce is 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:37.320 quite interesting because just last week she finally admitted that 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:40.639 she was going through something tough, but she didn't really 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:44.240 seem at a point where she wanted to speak about it. However, 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:47.280 all of a sudden that changed on the weekend after 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:50.080 Matt was spotted getting cozy on Saturday night with a 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:53.520 Tammy lookalike at the La Rams event in Melbourne. The 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:57.159 woman in question is News Corp sports journalist Taylor Little, 0:20:57.560 --> 0:20:59.639 and they clearly hit it off because they were spotted 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:02.919