1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembro 4 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: confirms she's divorcing Matt Sakowski and Sarah's day unveils her 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: yummy mummy luxury car. But first, Kate, the missing piece 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: of the Outspoken family, is finally here. Oh, and he 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: is just so perfect. Even though you had Harry what 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: eight or nine weeks ago, I still can't get over 9 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: how small newborn babies are. They grow so quickly. Yes, 10 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: and Sophie, of course gave birth to Luca Archie. Kate, 11 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: you keep saying his name is Archie. That's the name 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: of her dog. Oh, I know, it's really confusing. Even 13 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: in the script I wrote Archie Luca, I was like, oops, 14 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: so Archie is Sophie and Brandon's firstborn, but Luca is 15 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: the nonferred baby, real baby. He is just so cute. Yeah, 16 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: we were trying to work out who he looked like. 17 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: I mean, immediately when I saw him, I went, he 18 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: looks like Sophie as a baby, But then Paul's expressions 19 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: that look like Brandon Yeah, it's definitely a mix this 20 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: time because Amy, you and I basically gave birth to 21 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: our husbands. I don't know. A lot of people now 22 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: have been saying that Harry looks like me. Even sorry 23 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: family yesterday all said he looks like you. I think 24 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: they're being polite. He literally looks like a minni Dale 25 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: to me. I often go to call him Dale. But 26 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 1: I am getting a lot of the names confused because 27 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: now I'm calling Jack Harry, and now that Luca's in 28 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: the picture, I mean I'm also getting Archie in there too. 29 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 30 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: Well, they've all got similar amount of letters in them, 31 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: so it is kind of getting confusing all of these boys' names. 32 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: But what was going to be even more confusing was 33 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: the fact that Luca was scheduled to be born on 34 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: Jack's birthday up until the very last minute. 35 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 36 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: I think we'll go into that more on Sovie's birth episode, 37 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: because we do have a clip of her telling me 38 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: I didn't realize I was being recorded. We thought your 39 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: reaction was going to be so poor. We just thought 40 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: it would be funny to actually have it recorded. I 41 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: acted really nice. Yeah, we were shocked. We're like, oh, okay, 42 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: this isn't that this isn't that entertaining. Well, I thought 43 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: it might be kind of nice for the boys to 44 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: share a birthday because we've grown up sharing our birthdays, 45 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: and I was like, Oh, that's really cute that they'll 46 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: be connected in that way. But as the weeks went on, 47 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: I was kind of like, hang on, it's not fair 48 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: that they're going to have to share their birthday. And 49 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 1: Sophie ended up getting a call I think it was 50 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: a week before the c section, to say, actually, you're 51 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: a day earlier, so they're one day apart. 52 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 3: Now. 53 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: I think that's a lot better. I actually saw jar 54 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: Dae Tunci and her sister had the same thing happened 55 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: to them. So jar Day's sister's baby was born i 56 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: think the day after her son, Fletcher, and I'm like, 57 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: oh my god, it's more common than you think. Well, 58 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: I think you guys are paranoid that people might have thought, oh, 59 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: you plan to have the babies on the same day, 60 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: because of course, Sophie and I got proposed to on 61 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: the same day. Our weddings were nine weeks apart. I 62 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: think Sophie was just thinking, I wish there was just 63 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: something I had on my own. Yeah, it's always growing 64 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: up with all that freaky triplet stuff. As much as 65 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: you try not to be the same, there are similar occurrences. 66 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, not this again, just while 67 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: you're transitioning back from maternity leave to full time work 68 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: for Outspoken, I say that as you have Harry on 69 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: your lab. I'm so sorry. Of course he's just making 70 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: all of these noises. He's meant to be asleep. But 71 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: here that other Oh have other ideas. Yeah, So, as 72 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: you can see, we are trying to manage everything, and 73 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: that's why we've got a Tammy Hembro Deep Dive ready 74 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: to go for the next couple of weeks. I think 75 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: it should be four parts, but considering everything that's been happening, 76 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: who knows, it may turn into a fifth part. Yeah, 77 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: I think you need an extra episode actually. Yeah, So 78 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: for the next couple of weeks, we'll be doing a 79 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: regular Tuesday show and then we'll be dropping a Deep 80 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: Dive episode on Fridays. We also still have our Outspoken 81 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: Plus subscriber only episodes that are released on Thursdays. 82 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:49,119 Speaker 3: I wanted to finally tell you guys that I am 83 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 3: going to be getting a divorce Tammy Hembro has announced 84 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 3: she's divorcing Matt Sakowski after just seven months of marriage. 85 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: The well Wind romance captivated Audio and says thanks to 86 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: the many ups and downs, from getting engaged in the 87 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: Maldives after dating long distance for three months, to the 88 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: Grand Prix cheating scandal, It's been a wild ride for 89 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: Tammy's seventeen million followers. Kay we have spoken at length 90 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: on the podcast about this relationship, and listeners will know 91 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: that breakup rumors have been swirling for months since the 92 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: couple unfollowed each other on Instagram in March. Now, despite 93 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: knowing all of that, it didn't make it easier watching 94 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: Tammy confirm the news on TikTok. I'm absolutely shattered for her, 95 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: and I know that there will be some listeners saying, oh, 96 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: she should have seen the red flags, But she's still 97 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: a woman who just wanted to be loved. And I've 98 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 1: consumed a lot of Tammy Hembro content and my observation 99 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: is that she is a hopeless romantic that loves love 100 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,799 Speaker 1: and she fought really hard for this relationship with Matt. 101 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: This is despite her sister's publicly warning her that she 102 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: shouldn't marry him. She went ahead with her anyway, And 103 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: that's why it was so difficult to watch, because Tammy 104 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: did have to admit on camera that she was wrong 105 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: and that in fact, her sisters were right. And having sisters, 106 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: I know how difficult that is to admit when you 107 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: are in the wrong. Oh. It reminded me of the 108 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: toxic relationship I used to be in, and it would 109 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: have been so hard to say, actually, you've been right 110 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: because I stayed in this relationship because I kind of 111 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,559 Speaker 1: wanted to prove a point that you guys were wrong. 112 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: And I almost feel like that's what's happened in this situation. 113 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: And it was clear how anxious Tammy was on camera. 114 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: She was shaking when she confirmed the news. Let's take 115 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: a listen. 116 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 4: I feel like, oh my gosh, this is giving me 117 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 4: so much anxiety. Oh my god, I'm worry just have tissues, 118 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 4: not about my makeup, Okay. 119 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: So I wanted to finally tell you guys that I 120 00:05:53,720 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 3: am going to be getting a divorce. I know, I 121 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 3: know a lot of you have been. I know a 122 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:17,239 Speaker 3: lot of you have been, you know, following my journey 123 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 3: for years. 124 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: So I wanted to be open about it and you know, 125 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 2: I do feel like for me, addressing with you guys 126 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 2: is sort of. 127 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 3: Therapeutic, Like it's sort of like the next step for me. 128 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 3: I guess, uh, it's not. I don't want to get 129 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 3: into details, and I just you know, I'm not one 130 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 3: to try and like bring anyone down. I don't want to, like, 131 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 3: I just want to be sensitive to everyone involved. I 132 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 3: don't want to talk about anyone other than my to 133 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 3: be honest. 134 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: I really wasn't surprised to hear Tammy say that she 135 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: wasn't going to go into the details, although I was disappointed, 136 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: but that has really been her go to strategy with 137 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: her breakups with her former fiances of course, Reese Hawkins 138 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: and also Matt Paul. 139 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 140 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: The big difference though here is that Tammy has children 141 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: with Reese and Matt Paul, but not with Matt Sakowski, 142 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: and I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up dropping 143 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: details as time goes on. I think it will also 144 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: depend on Matt's behavior and how he acts. Yeah, but 145 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: in saying that, things did get a little bit nasty 146 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: between Tammy and Reese, but we never actually found out 147 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: what really caused their breakup, Whereas with Matt Sakowski. I 148 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: think she may open up about what caused the breakdown eventually, 149 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: and she did drop the other day that she's thinking 150 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: of starting her own podcast, so I would not be 151 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: surprised if her first episode was all about her breakup. 152 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of a fuck you 153 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: to Matt as well, because he clearly is very focused 154 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: on his own podcast, Where's Your Head At? And even 155 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: though he's tried really hard to get listeners across from 156 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,239 Speaker 1: Tammy's following, it just hasn't worked. 157 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 158 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: I think there's been a lot of conversation around Matt 159 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: looking like he's a bit of a clout chaser for 160 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: going after Tammy. But the funny thing is it really 161 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: hasn't affected his follower out positively. I think he's been 162 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: on what like one hundred and fifty thousand followers for 163 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: a very long time. You think dating someone with seventeen 164 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: million followers would actually bump up your following, but he's 165 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: been very much disliked by her fans. Yeah, I mean, 166 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: I can see why you touched on the Grand Prix 167 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 1: cheating scandal that happened very early on in their relationship. 168 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: I don't think that he's ever fully recovered from that. 169 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: I think there was a bit more love going Matt's 170 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: way after their wedding and when they went on their honeymoon. 171 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: I think people were thinking, oh, well, maybe he is 172 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: in it for the right reasons and maybe he's treating 173 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: Tammy well, so let's be happy for them. But that 174 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: really ended so quickly because after their honeymoon, we didn't 175 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: really see much much of Matt. I think the last 176 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: post we saw of them together was Matt spooking some 177 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: kind of wedding photo album that he had created that 178 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: was around Valentine's Day. 179 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 3: Now. 180 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: During her statement, Tammy said that she never wanted or 181 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: expected to break up with Matt and thought that their 182 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: marriage would last forever. She conceded, though, that there was 183 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: no other option but divorce. Tammy also revealed she's currently 184 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: in therapy, and she said that she realizes she has 185 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: a lot of growing to do. Here's more of what 186 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: she said. 187 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 3: I blame no one but myself, to be honest, I 188 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 3: feel like I've made not the best choices when it 189 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 3: comes to relationships. 190 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: And I've. 191 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 3: You know, i feel like I'm really good at putting 192 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 3: on rose colored classes or She's getting like swept up 193 00:09:52,600 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 3: and in it all. Obviously the worst part for me 194 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 3: is that like I have kids, like I don't, I 195 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 3: don't care about me, like I know I'll be okay, 196 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 3: but I just I feel obviously fu I obviously feel 197 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 3: awful for like. 198 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 2: I feel. 199 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: I just felt awful. 200 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: Oh my god, stop crying. 201 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 3: Stop cry. Obviously I've like I get a lot of 202 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 3: nasty comments being like, oh another marriage, like this is 203 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 3: my first marriage, just FYI, But no comment that anyone 204 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 3: could say, like, these comments haven't even been really getting 205 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 3: to me, because nothing to anyone could say could make. 206 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 2: Me feel like. 207 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 3: More like shit than I already do, like more humiliated 208 00:10:54,760 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 3: or more I'm like I already they think that about 209 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 3: myself right now, so they don't think those comments get 210 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 3: to me because I'm already there. Ah, end of the day, 211 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 3: I know this is what needs to happen. 212 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: Whatever you think about Tammy Hembro on a human level, 213 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: that really hurt to listen to, especially when she put 214 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 1: a reputation on the line for Matt Zakowski and it's 215 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: all blown up in her face. Well, she mentioned in 216 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: Their Feeling Humiliated that quote of hers has been splashed 217 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: all over the media, and I think this relationship with 218 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: Matt Zakowski is going to be one that haunts her 219 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: for a long time. I mean, it's just so sad, 220 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: particularly with three children involved. And when they started dating, 221 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: there was a lot of judgment masked as folk concern 222 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: about Tammy introducing her kids too early to Matt, and 223 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: it would be really difficult for Tammy to be like, 224 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: hang on, yeah, you were right to be concerned. I 225 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: shouldn't have done that. 226 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 227 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: And Tammy's son Wolf especially got really close to Matt. 228 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: They seem to have a special relationship. I also think 229 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: the fact that Tammy actually married Matt would have made 230 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: it really different for the kids. They would have gone, 231 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: this is my new stepdad. I mean. It was only 232 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: recently that Matt appeared on Shameless Media's Inherited podcast and 233 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: he spoke about the role of being a stepdad and 234 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: how important and special it was to him, considering that 235 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: he's been very open about the fact that he'll find 236 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: it difficult to naturally conceive a child. At the time, 237 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: there was a lot of backlash aimed at Shameless for 238 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: having Mat Sakowski on the podcast. Yeah, and that's actually 239 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: continued now that the breakup has gone live, people like 240 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: you should never have given him the platform. Well, I 241 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: wonder when that interview was actually recorded and if he 242 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: was honest with the team about what his relationship was 243 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 1: currently with Tammy. Yeah, I mean, to be fair to 244 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: Shameless Media, I think it was a good get for them. 245 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: I think it probably got a lot of downloads. And 246 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: I also think that Shameless Media's intention was probably to 247 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: have a really raw conversation with Matt about what it's 248 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: like being a stepdad. But I don't think he stepped 249 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: up to the plate. The conversation itself was bizarre, but 250 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: it was more bizarre from Matt's perspective. I think the 251 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: questions they actually asked him were very strong, but he 252 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: just didn't come to the table. 253 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 3: It was just a. 254 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: Very strange mix. Now. I want to talk more about 255 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: Tammy's sisters in this scenario, because on Wednesday, before this 256 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: announcement went live, Tammy shared a special post for her 257 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: sister Amy's birthday, writing, thank you for always being there 258 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: for me and for loving me through every season and 259 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: through every version of me. You've wiped my tears, told 260 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: me the truth even when I didn't want to hear it, 261 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: and you've given advice even when I refused to listen. 262 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: With a crying face emoji. Fast forward to Sunday, during 263 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: Tammy's divorce announcement, she then said this. 264 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 3: There's a lesson and everything, and hopefully this time I 265 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 3: love it, and you know, hopefully I am more cautious 266 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 3: going forward and more you know, just eyes wide open 267 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 3: and you know, like listen to the people are at 268 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 3: me in Hopefully I just finally learned from these sex 269 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 3: which I feel like I finally will. But yeah, super embarrassing, 270 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 3: super heartbreaking, super just shit situation. 271 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: Now, just for some context, if you cast your mind 272 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: back to October, Tammy's older sisters Emily and Amy famously 273 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: called Matt out during an interview on his podcast. It 274 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: was the most awkward interview I've ever heard, And I 275 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: still don't get how Matt thought it was a good 276 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: idea to share it. He must have been so desperate 277 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: for rating it. Is it because Matt doesn't edit the podcast, 278 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: like because did he not listen to it back at all? 279 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: Surely he had to give it the green light, But 280 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: in the moment you knew it was a train rope 281 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: from the game. Maybe he thought there'd be some bits 282 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: edited out. I mean, they couldn't have made it any 283 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: clear or how much they despised him. They literally called 284 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: him an immature baby and said that they had massive 285 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: concerns about their relationship. I remember them going on about 286 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: how they thought it was so rude that when they 287 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: came over to Tammy's house, Matt was acting like it 288 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: was his own, and that kind of gave off the 289 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: impression that maybe Matt was coming across like a gold digger, 290 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: or just that he was really enjoying being in Tammy's mansion. Yeah. Well, 291 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: I went back and re listened to the episode, and 292 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: I had forgotten that one week into their relationship, Tammy 293 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: and Matt announced to her family that they were loping. Yeah, 294 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: and that news led to a crisis meeting with a 295 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: Hembro family where things got really heated. This is what 296 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: Emily said about it. 297 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 5: When you guys said you were getting engaged, I was like, 298 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 5: he must be that delusional. I was really concerned because 299 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 5: she is, like, she's spontaneous, and she's a fun spirit, 300 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 5: and she likes to do what she wants to do. 301 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 5: But for a guy to come in and think that's 302 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 5: okay when she's got a one year old. Like, I 303 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 5: thought that was a big red flag. 304 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: We're talking about things haunting Tammy, hembro, this must be 305 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: top of the list, especially this warning from Emily. 306 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 5: I just hope you know marriage is a serious thing. Yeah, 307 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 5: it is actually a serious thing. And like I hope 308 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 5: you don't make any mistakes, Like I really pray and 309 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 5: hope that you don't do anything to hurt Tammy. 310 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hurt Tammy. I have no intention of 311 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: hurting Tammy. Geez, that quote did not age well from 312 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: Matt Szakowski. The sad thing is often it's people like 313 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: your sisters who can see the red flags. I mean, 314 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: Matt was clearly love bombing Tamy. To be fair, we 315 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: don't know what was going on inside their relationship, but 316 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: from my perspective of having experienced a toxic relationship, normally 317 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: the person tries to turn you against your family, and 318 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: often when the family are calling out bad behavior, it 319 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: then in this weird way, forces you together and you're 320 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: like this team against them. And I think it seems 321 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 1: like that's what's happened, and she would situation and she 322 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: probably stopped telling her sisters things that Matt had done 323 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: that might have been even bigger red flags for fear 324 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: of them being really judgmental and hating Matt even more now. 325 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: A couple of hours after Tammy's announcement, Matt posted his 326 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: own statement to his Instagram story. He wrote, it is 327 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: with a heavy heart that I share that Tammy and 328 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 1: I have decided to separate. Both of us have struggled 329 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: with making this decision. However, we need to do what 330 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: is right for ourselves and her three children. This wasn't 331 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: a decision we took lightly. Our time together will always 332 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: be cherished and never forgotten. We appreciate everyone's support and 333 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: space at this time as we navigate the split. I 334 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: love at the end. How Matt tried to make out 335 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: like it was some kind of joint statement with the WII, 336 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: It's like, no, you've had to rush out this statement. 337 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: I saw some people saying was this possibly a chat 338 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: GPT job. Some people was questioning whether his mum wrote it, 339 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: and that was a bit of a dig because before 340 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: he moved into Tammy's mansion on the Gold Coast, he 341 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: was living with his mum in Melbourne. What really stood 342 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: out to me was the wording of her three children, 343 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: which was pretty upsetting, I think because he took on 344 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: the role of stepfather and it's quite clear he didn't 345 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: really take it very serious. So it would have been 346 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: more bizarre if he said our three children. True, But 347 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: there's a way of saying it, like it felt very 348 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: cold and callous. What could be for ourselves and the children? 349 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: I mean, breakups aren't about winning. But if you were 350 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: putting those two announcements together, Tammy is in the lead 351 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 1: by a million miles. But I think what it boils 352 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: down to is this was a rush job by Matt. 353 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: He clearly didn't know Tammy was going to go and 354 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: put that TikTok out on Sunday. 355 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 356 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: But in saying that, I think Tammy's announcement was very strong. 357 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: It really regnized her. I was pleasantly surprised by the reaction. 358 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: I was a little bit worried about how hard people 359 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: would go on her. But I don't know if it's 360 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: just the era that we're in at the moment, with 361 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: Indy Clinton calling out trolls and all of the tattle 362 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: life stuff that people are actually saying, Oh, that's a 363 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 1: real person in the middle of this. Yeah, I think 364 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: it's because in the video she actually owned up the 365 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: things she said. You know, it was my fault. I 366 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: was warned about this and it really humanized her. But 367 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: also it took away things that people can say to 368 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: her because she already said it. She's like, yeah, I 369 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 1: get swept up in this and she only needed to 370 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: learn from it. You know, I thought I had grown, 371 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: but clearly not. I think clearly Matt's got a bit 372 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: of work to do moving forward as well, because I 373 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: was a little bit disappointed. While he was trying to 374 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: push on his Instagram story that things were okay between them, 375 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: he couldn't help but hit back at a commenter that 376 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: praised Tammy. So someone wrote, actually don't understand how this 377 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: man could or would want to stuff it up. Tammy 378 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: is a dream girl, to which Matt responded, you don't 379 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: know her. That's just low to go onto the comment section. 380 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 3: Well. 381 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: Matt also liked another comment which read, finally he's free. 382 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: It's reminding me of Morgan Waterhouse, who was Olivia rodgers 383 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: ex behavior when they broke up. You know, when his 384 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: immature friends came out like h she eat slept with 385 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: this pant's like no fuck off? Like yeah, do you 386 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: think she's going to come back from attorney to leave 387 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: early to do a tell all episode. I think so, 388 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: because this has turned into very big news. I think 389 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: the fact that they had their wedding in Vogue as 390 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: well has made this even more of a national story. 391 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: I mean it's international even it's international news. And the 392 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: timing of Tammy coming out and confirming the divorce is 393 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: quite interesting because just last week she finally admitted that 394 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: she was going through something tough, but she didn't really 395 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: seem at a point where she wanted to speak about it. However, 396 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: all of a sudden that changed on the weekend after 397 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: Matt was spotted getting cozy on Saturday night with a 398 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: Tammy lookalike at the La Rams event in Melbourne. The 399 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: woman in question is News Corp sports journalist Taylor Little, 400 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: and they clearly hit it off because they were spotted 401 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: together drinking at a bar in Richmond following the event. 402 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: Taylor even posted Matt on an Instagram story. The pair 403 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: follow each other, so she shared a video of her 404 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: and Matt at one of the NFL activations and wrote 405 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: Matt Sakowski won't play with me and tagged him Now. 406 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: The story got swiftly deleted. I feel quite sorry for 407 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: Taylor because it sounds like she was at this event 408 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: doing her job, and now she's suddenly at the center 409 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: of this huge story. Amy, I think you're being too kind. 410 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: I think she put herself in the center by tagging 411 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: him in her Instagram story. There's flirtatious vibes to on 412 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: Matzakowski won't play with me. Everyone is wondering what's going 413 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: on with Matt and Tammy, and the fact that they 414 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: were spotted together at the bar was really not a 415 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: good look. It wasn't a good look. But Matt's the 416 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: one who should be looking out for Tammy. He's the 417 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: one that's married to her, so it's on him if 418 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: he's going to be spotted out with a blonde Tammy 419 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: look a lot. It's so awkward how similar they look. 420 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: We posted a photo of Taylor Little on our Instagram 421 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: and people were like, hang on, I thought that was Tammy. 422 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 2: Well. 423 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: I was glad to see that Tammy also had good 424 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,959 Speaker 1: Saturday night because she was at her best friend Isabel 425 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: Law's birthday, and Isabel was one of the first people 426 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: to actually unfollow Matt. Yeah, that's when people were like Oh, 427 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: they definitely must be broken up. Yeah, she looked absolutely incredible. 428 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: She was wearing this pink dress. A lot of people 429 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: are saying it's her Princess Diana revenge dress. Remember when 430 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: Olivia Rodgers came out with her revenge dress. Yeah, I 431 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: mean at this point, I think anytime you were a 432 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: dress after a breakup, people were like, oh, it's a 433 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: revenge dress. Tammy was definitely showing off this outfit though, 434 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: because she posted a TikTok with the caption be in 435 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: a minute, make up and acute dress is therapy. I 436 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: swear she also mind to the Taylor Swift lyrics, only 437 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: bought this dress so you could take it off. Oh 438 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: well that's a change, because all she was listening to 439 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: was Sabrina Carpenter's man Eat a song previously. Poor Tammy, 440 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: She's definitely in her Taylor Swift era. At the moment 441 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: after the divorce announcement, she posted a video of her 442 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: miming to other Taylor Swift breakup lyrics. I want to 443 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: talk about the Vogue wedding deal that Matt and Tammy 444 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: had because there has been a lot of speculation that 445 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: they weren't announced. Seeing the news of their breakup due 446 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: to this deal. Yeah, because Vogue exclusively covered their wedding 447 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: back in November, and it must have been a pretty 448 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: significant deal because Tammy and Matt are also Vogue collaborated 449 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 1: on their first wedding photo announcement post, which is a 450 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: really big deal with Tammy having seventeen million followers. So 451 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: there was talk that maybe Vogue had made them sign 452 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: a contract that if they broke up, they couldn't announce 453 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: it in a certain period of time because Batchel's style. Yeah, 454 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: and last week I was on my high horse saying 455 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: there's no way that Vogue would be able to do that. 456 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: But since then I've come across the Vogue wedding curse 457 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: trend that has been circulating on TikTok so. A TikToker 458 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: called Georgie recently pointed out that Vogue weddings are likely 459 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: to end in short lived marriages, so most of them 460 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: end in a quickie divorce, usually a year or less later, 461 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: and editors at a publication called air Mail when that 462 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: step further. They did their own investigation into it and 463 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: found at least thirty weddings Vogue covered in the last 464 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: ten years have ended in divorce. So some big name 465 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: divorces include Lopez and Ben Affleck, as well as Ariana 466 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: Grande and Dalton Gomez. There was also Sophia Bush's wedding 467 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: that featured in there. I was thinking that maybe it 468 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: was because Vogue has started including influencer weddings that there's 469 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: been this huge job. I hope it's not the case, 470 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: because some very popular influencer's weddings have featured in Vogue 471 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: recently m Davies and Nicki Wescott. Let's hope maybe Tammy 472 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: Henbro has taken one for the tear. 473 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 5: I've been on the hunt for the perfect seven seater 474 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 5: boss mum car, I. 475 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 3: Usually want one. 476 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: Sarah's Day has unveiled her new car to wear one 477 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: point two million Instagram followers. Back in February, the self 478 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: proclaimed holistic health Princess launched an Instagram series test driving 479 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: and reviewing luxury family vehicles. Now, Sarah only ended up 480 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: sharing two reviews, but it was a rating success. 481 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 482 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: Both of those reviews clocked up over a million views 483 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: each and created a lot of discussion online. While most 484 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 1: people loved getting a pervy look inside the luxury cars, 485 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: others felt that sa Ara was being a little bit 486 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: tone deaf by splashing around her wealth. Now, Sarah isn't silly. 487 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: She's been on social media for ten years, and she 488 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: preempted this negative reaction before she even uploaded the first video. 489 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: So she assured her followers that she wasn't out of 490 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: touch in saying that the reviews of the luxury cars 491 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: were pretty critical. But I suppose that's what she's there 492 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: to do. It's one of those things where I enjoyed 493 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: watching the videos, but I was also like, ugh, Yeah, 494 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: it's this strange thing, isn't it. I think that's a 495 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: lot of social media. Yeah, it's this weird thing where 496 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: you're like, I'm really enjoying seeing the luxury features, but 497 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: I know I'm never going to be able to afford it, 498 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: so I'm a little bit jealous. Now, Sarah ended up 499 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: going with a brand new Audi SQ seven sports model, 500 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: the turbo twin engine. I'm pretending like I know what 501 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 1: that means, but essentially the engine is meant to be 502 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: like a sports car. I think everyone just wants to know, 503 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: is this her ultimate yummy mummy car? That's what she 504 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: kept labeling it. Well, it's very nice, it's a very 505 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: impressive seven seater car. There are a lot of features. 506 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: The one that stood out to me was the massage chairs. 507 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 1: What yeah, so imagine sitting there in peak our traffic 508 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: getting a massage. I've heard of heated seats, but I 509 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: actually didn't even know you could get massage. See the car. 510 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: Of course heats and cools the seats too. It also 511 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: has automatic soft closing doors, this massive fuck off sun roof, 512 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: and an automatic opening boot. One thing that didn't really 513 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 1: tickle my fancy though, was it had bright red seat belts. 514 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 515 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: I remember when I was looking for my car, the 516 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 1: top models all have like red stitching. I think it's 517 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: part of the sports model. I don't like it either. Yeah, 518 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: I'm not a massive fan of red, and I think 519 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: maybe it's got that flashy value to it. But I 520 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: think it's gonna get old, particularly because she've logs a 521 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: lot in her car. Look, I wouldn't say no to 522 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: It reminds me of that TikTok video where people show 523 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: themselves walking on these really wealthy streets and they're like, 524 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: look what they did to the window. That wouldn't have 525 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: done that. It also pointed out that the brake calipers 526 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: whatever they are, they're near The wheel already came in red, 527 00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: but if they hadn't, she would have got them paid 528 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: because that's what she normally does. Well, if you're spending 529 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: that much money on the car, I can kind of 530 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: see why you might want those little details perfected. My 531 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: biggest question though, was how much did this all cost? 532 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: Because there was a disparity between prices in her two reviews. Yeah, 533 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 1: because the first car she reviewed was Alexis GX five fifty, 534 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: which cost around one hundred and thirty thousand dollars, while 535 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: the other car was a seven seater range Rover, which 536 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: retailed for three hundred and fifty thousand dollars. You're just 537 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: paying for the brand, aren't you. Oh, to be fair, 538 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: that rang Drover was absolutely incredible. It had like TV screens, 539 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: it had a fridge in it. It was very all 540 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: unnecessary extras. I mean three hundred and fifty thousand dollars, 541 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: that is a lot of money for a car. Yeah. Well, 542 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 1: the Audi that she ended up getting costs around one 543 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five thousand for the base model. Is 544 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: it about that? That seems reasonable after hearing how much 545 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 1: the range Rover costs I'm assuming Sarah would have got 546 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: the top model close to it. When asked how she 547 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: came to her decision with the three cars she reviewed, 548 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 1: Sarah wrote, Lexus wasn't as luxurious as I wanted and 549 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: didn't have all the extras range drove. It was one 550 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: hundred k more and I couldn't justify that When the 551 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: Audi to meet felt more me sporty, fast and a 552 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: bit unique. I had to love that. That's how she 553 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: describes herself. I know, you know when you realize these 554 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 1: people have weigh too much time on their hands to 555 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 1: think about how their car reflects them as a person. 556 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 1: I mean that didn't come to mind when I bought 557 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 1: my new car. No, I mean it sounds like she 558 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: probably paid around two point fifty fourth car. Dang hell, 559 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: I mean it's not surprising. We know Sarah's day is 560 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: a very successful business woman. I mean she bought her 561 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: dad a car for his birthday, not just a car 562 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: at Auston Martin. Yeah, but did you see she put 563 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: up a vlog recently and it was a trip that 564 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: she and her family went on to celebrate her mum's 565 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: sixtieth and also her sister's thirtieth birth I also know 566 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: they went to Fiji. We had a lot of controversy 567 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: over our thoughts about her taking her son out of school. Yes, 568 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: of course I was a way for that episode, but 569 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: I thoroughly enjoyed the Fiji vlog, so maybe it was 570 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: worth pulling him out of school. I was just thinking, 571 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: what's she going to get her mum to top the 572 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: Aston Mutton? But well, what she got her mum was 573 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,719 Speaker 1: a holiday with her to Hamilton Island, and I think 574 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: they're staying at some really expensive hotel. But I thought, 575 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: surely that holiday doesn't cost the same amount of money 576 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: as an Aston Mutton. Perhaps she didn't want to share 577 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: the extra gift she'd gotten her, like the holiday isn't 578 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: enough as well, it's incredible, it's enough, but compared to 579 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: a brand new car, well, I suppose her mom kind 580 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: of got the car too. She probably drives in it 581 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: with her dad. Did you see that Molly May's sister, 582 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: Zoe Haig, She's bought this big fuck off car as well. 583 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: Oh really yeah? It just shows you how well her 584 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: influencer career is going. I mean to be skeptical, A 585 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: lot of car brands would want Zoe Hag driving in 586 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: her car, So I'm sure that there's a partnership element. 587 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: I mean, originally, when Sarah launched this car series, there 588 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: was a lot of skepticism around how organic it was. 589 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: A lot of people, including myself, thought it was a 590 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: paid partnership or she was fishing around for a free car. Yeah, 591 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: because her husband had done a lot of work with Lexus, 592 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: so we were assuming and the end of this car 593 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: series it was going to be a Lexus. But we 594 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,959 Speaker 1: were wrong. Maybe this was a legitimate series. 595 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 596 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: I was surprised because when Sarah unveiled her new car 597 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: on her Instagram reel, she wrote in the caption again, 598 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: this isn't sponsored. I paid for the car myself and 599 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: have no affiliation with any car brands. Oh so you 600 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: were just out of touch thinking that people wanted to 601 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: see you shop for a luxury car. Wasn't actually a 602 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: sponsoriting Well, I'm still a little bit skeptical because during 603 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: the review video she also said this shout out to Giuseppe. 604 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: You're the man from Audi Sutherland a legend. Giuseppe himself 605 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: also commented on the real writing and honest pleasure. Thanks 606 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: for the mention and God bless you and your family 607 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: enjoy the car, and then she wrote back the big 608 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: dog himself. The dealership where Sarah brought the car also 609 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: got in on the action, commenting glad we could help 610 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: you find the boss mum car you deserve. They then 611 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: reshared the reel to their story and added a link 612 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: to the website with the heading find yours today. Audi's 613 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: official Instagram account also added flame emojis to S's post, 614 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: and she replied, now you can send me to the 615 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: f one when you debut. Monaco, here I come. 616 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 3: So. 617 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a case of the dealership 618 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: and Audi jumping on board trying to get some attention, 619 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: or maybe Sarah got a bit of a discount. I 620 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: don't know. I just think that they're up her ass 621 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: because they've looked at her Instagram account and seen that 622 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: she's got like one point two million followers. 623 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 2: Well. 624 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: A follower wrote Audi should be paying for this plug, 625 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: to which Sarah replied, maybe I'll send them an invoice 626 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: and hope for the best. I also noticed in the 627 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: original reel that Sarah showed herself signing the paperwork at 628 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: the dealership to try and push that she did buy 629 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: the car herself. I just don't understand why these luxury 630 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: car brands would actually want to sponsor influencers though, because 631 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: if you think about their following, it's very unlikely that say, 632 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: one of Sarah's twenty five year old followers would then 633 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: go out and purchase one hundred and seventy five thousand 634 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: dollar car. Maybe if you're a brand like Mazda or Yeah, 635 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: but if they convert one person to buying one hundred 636 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,479 Speaker 1: and seventy five thousand dollar car, that's pretty good. I 637 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: just think it would be more beneficial for the more 638 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: normal brands to her, like Mazda and Nissen cars that 639 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: the everyday person can actually afford, as opposed to these 640 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: luxury brands. It just seems so out of reach for 641 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: normal people. And I suppose that's probably why Sarah may 642 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: have not done a deal with a car Brown, because 643 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: potentially she didn't want to drive around in that type 644 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: of car. I mean, she's been very judgmental when it 645 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: comes to Keir Carnival, so my husband would be furious. 646 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: He had been pushing me to buy a Keyer Carnival 647 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: when I was looking, Well, they're not a cheap car either, 648 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: And initially when Sarah launched this series into reviewing cars, 649 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people were like, oh, the Keer Carnival, 650 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: and she didn't speak very highly of them. So when 651 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: she finally shared what car she got, someone joked in 652 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: the comment section saying key Carnival is also a seventh seater, 653 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: and Sarah responded saying, the day you catch me driving 654 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: a Kere Carnival, assume I've been cloned or living against 655 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: my free will. Another person also made a joke about 656 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: the Keer Carnival, and someone added a comment saying apparently 657 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: Sarah would rather walk than drive a Keer not fancy enough, 658 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: doesn't screen money, and Sarah responded to that comment saying, Nah, 659 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: I wouldn't walk, but I'd rather ride my fat boy 660 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: bike with all three sons on my back. That just 661 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: screams being out of touch, doesn't it? 662 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? 663 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: And kay as somebody you own a Kia car a Carnival. 664 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: I love my ki Esportage. It's a great car. I 665 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: think at one like when I bought it was like 666 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: SUV Family Car or twenty twenty three. Look, I don't 667 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: think she's getting the popularity vote by slagging off the Kere, 668 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: which a lot of her followers probably own. Well, that's 669 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: where we're going to leave things today. Thank you so 670 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: much for listening and I am so excited to be 671 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: dropping part one of our Tammi Hembro Deep Dive on Friday. 672 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: Make sure you chune in them and if you did 673 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: enjoy this episode, we would love if you could leave 674 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: us a five star review, preferably and if you enjoy 675 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: the podcast, don't forget to sign up to Outspoken Plus, 676 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: where we dropped extra episodes every week. This episode was 677 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana people of 678 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders past and 679 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: present