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Speaker 1: neoprene bags. This is Outspoken, the podcast is not afraid

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Speaker 1: to say exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy,

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Speaker 1: Kate and Sophie Torbor.

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Speaker 2: We're identical triplets, but we.

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Speaker 1: Often don't have identical opinions.

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Speaker 2: So sometimes things can get heated.

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Speaker 1: Outspoken covers all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues

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Speaker 1: facing women. That is so fetch Thank you, Thank God

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Speaker 1: it's Friday. Has this week dragged on for anyone else?

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Speaker 2: It definitely has it?

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Speaker 1: Who were me? I think you have a long weekend

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Speaker 1: dangling at the end of the week, like it just

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Speaker 1: takes so long. But as I said, thank god it's

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Speaker 1: Friday today. I did have a bit of a fun

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Speaker 1: dinner the other night though, with some friends. So my

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Speaker 1: friend has started dating this new guy. But it's quite

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Speaker 1: funny though, because they met online. She's not quite sure

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Speaker 1: for a couple of months now, so she's got to

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Speaker 1: it's like a European name and it sounds like a

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Speaker 1: really cool name, but she just can't quite get it right,

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Speaker 1: and it keeps telling her how to say it. It's

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Speaker 1: a bit like Sophie when you introduce Brandon to all

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Speaker 1: of us, and Brandon's sisters called Elisa, and we couldn't.

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Speaker 1: There were so many people because she joined our netball team,

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Speaker 1: so many people couldn't say Elisa. Yeah, it takes a

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Speaker 1: while to wrap your head around some names. I wonder

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Speaker 1: how long it is going to take for her to

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Speaker 1: get found out though, that she doesn't know his name,

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Speaker 1: because it's they've been dating for a couple of months now,

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Speaker 1: and it's funny that his name hasn't really been brought

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Speaker 1: up to say. She said it was quite funny because

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Speaker 1: end because they keep having this conversation where he explains

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Speaker 2: Do you know what.

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Speaker 1: I have a friend and her partner has this same name,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know how to say it either. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like the way I say it is

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Speaker 1: just incorrect me and my friend was saying, like, she's

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Speaker 1: just call him babe all the time, and we're saying

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Speaker 1: like it would get really funny because can you imagine

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Speaker 1: if they get married and it's like I take it

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Speaker 1: so and so and she just has to mumble it.

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Speaker 1: Does anyone else find it hard when you do start

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Speaker 1: dating someone to say their name? And I know that

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Speaker 1: sounds really weird, but you know when you get embarrassed

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Speaker 1: to talk about somebody and instead of like as I,

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Speaker 1: it's not because you can't pronounce it, it's just because

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Speaker 1: you feel embarrassed. Yeah, Like I remember when I first

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Speaker 1: started seeing Dale and I was like, oh, you know

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Speaker 1: a point though that you have all your cute nicknames,

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Speaker 1: and I think I saw I heard Laura Henshaw talking

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Speaker 1: us cringe, but like, it's just become this thing and

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Speaker 1: I couldn't relate more because for some reason, Res and

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Speaker 1: I keep calling each other darling. And it's because Amy,

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Speaker 1: Sophie and I always used to call each other, oh,

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Speaker 1: darling as a joke because Mum always calls it, so

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Speaker 1: it sounds really lame. I know. I'm just so used

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Speaker 1: what Brandon's nickname is or get in trouble. Why what

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Speaker 1: It is these things that don't make any sense. And

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Speaker 1: then when you go outside of the couple, it seems

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Speaker 1: really unusual and weird meg or something. It's Smeg. But

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Speaker 1: really the reason it's Smeg is because I have two

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Speaker 1: pink Smeg a toaster and a kettle. Just a bit

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Speaker 1: we were laughing because he calls me Gramley as in

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry for anyone eating breakfast.

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Can I just clarifrate that's not why

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Speaker 2: Do you do what the other day day?

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Speaker 1: Or tried to create a new nickname for me. So

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Speaker 1: we were at the shop, what is your original nick name?

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Speaker 1: Didn't you say?

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Speaker 1: No, you can say it sounds like a bit of

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Speaker 1: a humble brag because my nickname for Dale is dreamboat

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Speaker 2: Had a joke that he was so dreamy.

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Speaker 1: Look, I didn't say he was dreamy, but you kept saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's so great in that and we called him a

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Speaker 1: and smag, isn't.

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Speaker 2: It it is?

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Speaker 1: And so he calls me wonder woman in return. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: when we were at when we were at the shops

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Speaker 1: the other day there we were just looking at getting

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Speaker 1: some frozen vegetables and there was it just said pumpkin chunks.

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Speaker 2: And he tried to start calling me that.

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Speaker 1: A pumpkin chunk. Yeah, it's not it hasn't taken. See

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Speaker 1: a few clever nicknames. I used to call him Reese's

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Speaker 1: Pieces at the thirty six's, like the way he used

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Speaker 1: then his grandpa used to call him Reese's Lightning, which

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Speaker 1: we don't want to hear like, oh, just darling or honey.

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Speaker 1: to hear if anyone's been in the situation where they're

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Speaker 1: they have been a crime. My Diamond Aaron came up

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Speaker 1: and the ocean and it's funny. On Wednesday, Kim Kardashian

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Speaker 1: took to social media to share a birthday message to

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Speaker 1: her ex husband Kanye West so in the message, Kim

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Speaker 1: and wrote Happy Birthday, Love you for life. The post

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Speaker 1: was followed by a series of photos, including a photo

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Speaker 1: you guys think about this? Do you think it was

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Speaker 1: appropriate for Kim to share a birthday message, particularly as

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Speaker 1: she filed for divorce in February. Well, this post was

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Speaker 1: really interesting timing by Kim Kardashian. I think that a

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Speaker 1: lot of people are commenting on the post because it

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Speaker 1: happened to coincide with a recent episode of Keeping up

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Speaker 1: with the Kardashians where Kim broke down telling her sisters

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Speaker 1: about her relationship issues with Kanye. She said, I feel

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Speaker 1: like an efing failure that it's a third marriage. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I feel like an effing loser, But I can't even

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Speaker 1: think about that. I want to be happy. When I

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Speaker 1: saw this, I just thought, good on Kim for actually

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Speaker 1: the Kardashians because it is very relatable, and I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people do feel very sorry for Kim

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Speaker 1: Kardashian and the position she's in at the moment where

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Speaker 1: she's being really vulnerable and it's something that so many

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Speaker 1: other people could relate to, especially in their forties having

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Speaker 1: you know what people deem to be a failed marriage, Well,

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Speaker 1: she has had three, and for me that this was

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Speaker 1: really reminiscent of her breakdown about her marriage ending with

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Speaker 1: Chris Humphreys. Yes, it was, Yeah, because I feel like

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Speaker 1: one theme with the Kardashians has always been that Chris

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Speaker 1: True's first birthday, and Chris was saying, look, you should

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Speaker 1: feel like this public display wishing Kanye a happy birthday

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Speaker 1: good relationship with her ex husband Robert Kardashian. He was

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Speaker 1: always present at the kids' birthday parties, and even the

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Speaker 1: also seen over the years a lot of birthday posts

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Speaker 1: I've seen birthday messages for Tristan Thompson, so they're happy

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Speaker 1: Kanye were together for seven years. I also think that

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Speaker 1: Aside from all those valid reasons, if you've sort of

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Speaker 1: that many people are going to be publicly wishing the

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Speaker 1: don't think I've ever seen anyone wish their ex a

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Speaker 1: happy birthday. But I think it's a bit different when

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Speaker 1: you're married and you've got children, yeah, but I couldn't imagine,

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Speaker 1: like some of my friends who are divorced, I couldn't

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Speaker 1: imagine one of them publicly putting a photo up and

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Speaker 1: being like, I love you for life, particularly when the

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Speaker 1: relationship has only just ended. Like perhaps when both parties

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Speaker 1: person and wish them a happy birthday for your kid's sake. Well,

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Speaker 1: Kim wasn't the only Kardashian to post about Kanye West's birthday.

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Speaker 1: Chloe Kardashian also shared a tribute to Kanye West's forty

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Speaker 1: fourth birthday, and it resulted in her getting trolled by

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Speaker 1: a number of followers. Chloe shut back at the comment

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Speaker 1: and she said, this is my family, not yours, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's really valid. We don't know what's going on. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, would you guys

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Speaker 1: wish an ex a happy birthday? I mean I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: even text them happy birthday, let alone put a public message. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but when you did it, Sophie, were you trying to

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Speaker 1: get back with the person? YEA, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: So let's leave it at that.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a public photo, it was just a Facebook message. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I want to know. Have any of you guys wished

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Speaker 4: Good morning, everybody, Welcome back to another blog.

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Speaker 1: absolutely wasted and then completely wasting their Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: I also think as well. We've held a few events

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Speaker 1: for our clients recently and we have made sure to

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Speaker 1: have non alcoholic wine because people don't want to drink

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Speaker 1: during the day, and a lot of these influencer events

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Speaker 1: or just events for normal people are held during the day.

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Speaker 3: Through unfair Chatmrick, she went now and the folking we

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Speaker 3: need to make up on and they give her four

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Speaker 3: Puna and blacks because she's foo lucky, she's got her

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Speaker 3: own council Flat three. If she's annoying, come on, let's go.

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Speaker 3: Let's peace is rubbash.

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Speaker 1: We thought we'd provide a little bit of an update

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Speaker 1: into the Vanessa Sierra and Bernard Tomic situation because we

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Speaker 1: did a whole episode on Monday show, and we'll leave

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Speaker 1: a link to that episode in the show notes for

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Speaker 1: those who've missed it, but for those who have been

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Speaker 1: following the story. Vanessa Sierra decided to actually leave Croatia

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Speaker 1: where she was holidaying with Bernard Tomic, so she has

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Speaker 1: flown to Dubai and she said she is going to

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Speaker 1: then fly home to Australia and quarantine. So she wrote,

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Speaker 1: BT keeps pissing me off, so leaking more VIDs on

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Speaker 1: my site till he stops. She then added leaked my

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Speaker 1: entire iPhone on my site. So subsequent to this announcement,

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Speaker 1: Bernard Tomic actually deleted his Instagram so as of recording,

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Speaker 1: it is actually back up. So I mean he's only

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Speaker 1: got seven thousand followers. I'm sure people weren't that disappointed.

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Speaker 1: She also went on an Instagram story on Wednesday and

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Speaker 1: wrote Dear Herald's son and Papers, and then in Brackett Daily,

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Speaker 1: this does not apply to you due to threats and

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Speaker 1: blackmail I have received overnight, I will now be commenting

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Speaker 1: to media via email and any stories about me released

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Speaker 1: by other parties. People be cray, what does that mean?

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Speaker 1: So I think she actually meant to write I will

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Speaker 1: not be commenting to me.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like she's alleging that Bernard Tomic is threatening her.

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Speaker 2: That's shit I read into it. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: that's true.

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Speaker 1: She did put an asterisk and wrote edit the media

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Speaker 1: are not the ones sending threats. An individual person is.

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Speaker 1: So it's clear she doesn't want to name the person.

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Speaker 1: But you could probably put two and two together. Some

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Speaker 1: of the content that I've seen that she's been promoting

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Speaker 1: does sound very graphic, which involves Bernard Tomic, and it

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Speaker 1: fits into the category of revenge porn, which is which

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Speaker 1: is a bit concerning. A listener actually sent us in

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Speaker 1: some screenshots of what Vanessa is sharing on her OnlyFans page.

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Speaker 1: One of the comments said, want to see Bernard's massive

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Speaker 1: and then they did an eggplant emoji in my mouth

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Speaker 1: like this post and check your inbox gonna keep leaking

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Speaker 1: more because f him from breaking my stuff. And that

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Speaker 1: was on Monday, So it seems like quite a backflip

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Speaker 1: from when we last spoke about the topic, because it

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Speaker 1: sounded like she and Bernard were talking again and there

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Speaker 1: were apologies. Do you guys think this fits under the

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Speaker 1: category of revenge porn? Well? Can I just say, interestingly,

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Speaker 1: she actually has dropped the charges against Bernard because he

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Speaker 1: did apparently pay her back for the damages to her computer.

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Speaker 1: It's a tricky one because she claims that he has

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Speaker 1: consented to those videos being shared, but she is promoting

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Speaker 1: it under the guise of revenge porn. I mean there's

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Speaker 1: an argument there for itself. When you give consent for something,

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Speaker 1: I feel like you can then take consent back though

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Speaker 1: if it is posted in a different way. I think

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Speaker 1: it's such a tricky one because from the video she shared,

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Speaker 1: she has really brought up themes about domestic abuse, and

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Speaker 1: those are really important things for us to discuss, and

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Speaker 1: I think we should be allowed to discuss them in

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Speaker 1: a way that doesn't victim blame. However, it's not to

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Speaker 1: say then that everything she does afterwards is correct, and

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Speaker 1: I think revenge porn is obviously a very very wrong thing,

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Speaker 1: and it's also heading into abusive behavior as well, if

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Speaker 1: you're sharing videos of somebody doing a sexual act and

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Speaker 1: you have not got their permission to share them at all.

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Speaker 1: As we said to me, will just reiterate that she

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Speaker 1: has said she has permissioned.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I know.

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Speaker 1: On Monday's show we touched on whether we thought that

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Speaker 1: this was a publicity stunt. And what does concern me

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Speaker 1: is she has mentioned on her Only Fans that she

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Speaker 1: is putting this out in a vengeful way, these videos

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Speaker 1: of her and Bernard, and it does seem like a

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Speaker 1: lot of it is for clicks. Well, as I said

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Speaker 1: as well, you can remove consent whatever time you want

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Speaker 1: to remove consent. So the fact that she is he's

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Speaker 1: basically clearly said to imprivate, I do not want these

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Speaker 1: videos up there, and she's doing it in a form

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Speaker 1: of revenge. So I think it does fall into revenge.

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Speaker 1: But what I wonder though, is how would society view

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Speaker 1: this if Bernard Tomic was on Only Fans and he

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Speaker 1: was releasing videos of him and Vanessa that that, and

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Speaker 1: he was claiming that this was done in avengeful way. Well,

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Speaker 1: I thought the same thing that if the situation was

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Speaker 1: flipped in regards to this releasing of revenge porn, that

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Speaker 1: people would be outraged. I do think there is another

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Speaker 1: factor because she is gaining money from this. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: wonder should only fans step in and ban this content

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Speaker 1: if there is debate over whether this is revenge porn

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Speaker 1: or not, do you think they need to take some responsibility.

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Speaker 1: I definitely think the only fans need to take responsibility

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Speaker 1: for this, and there should be some safety nets in

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Speaker 1: place to protect people from this sort of thing. The

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Speaker 1: thing that is difficult is that Bernard Tomic is a

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Speaker 1: very unlikable person and he has done so many things

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Speaker 1: that are in the wrong as well. But it doesn't

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Speaker 1: make what she's doing right. I agree, and I think

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Speaker 1: I'm really disappointed as well, because I do feel like

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Speaker 1: her going out and releasing videos of Bernard Tomic has

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Speaker 1: now made the conversation turn onto something negative. She's doing well.

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Speaker 1: Two wrongs don't make it right, do they? And that's

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Speaker 1: what's happened because how people are focusing the attention on

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Speaker 1: is his revenge porn. Oh my god, the far you

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Speaker 1: stupid idiot. That was not my fault, you guys that

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Speaker 1: tried to want to pull out in front of me

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Speaker 1: and even said sorry, I guess right.

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Speaker 3: I just had the worst luck thinking.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: Just an update on Michael Finch.

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Speaker 1: We spoke about his explosive Q and A on Monday,

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Speaker 1: where he revealed that he would be sharing new content

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Speaker 1: to his Instagram and on his TikTok, and we haven't

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Speaker 1: had to wait long to see what it is. It

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Speaker 1: seems as if he's going to go from makeup influencer

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Speaker 1: to food influencer. I have to say I am here

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Speaker 1: for this. His recipes look insane.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: On Tuesday, he shared to his Instagram a TikTok that

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Speaker 1: he'd recently put up, and it showed what he eats

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Speaker 1: in a day and some of the recipes he's been

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Speaker 1: cooking recently, and they were epic recipes.

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Speaker 2: They were all clean eating, which it made me.

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Speaker 1: It kind of blew my mind because Michael has not

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Speaker 1: been known in the past for his cooking. He used

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Speaker 1: to order Uber eats nearly every single day, so it

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Speaker 1: has been quite refreshing to see this change in him. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was really impressed with some of the food he's

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Speaker 1: been cooked. I wanted the recipes and Funnily enough, he

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Speaker 1: actually has a deal with the cookbook, so he was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: for anyone that wants to may corn chowder recipe, like

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Speaker 1: this is the cookbook, but their little code Michael in

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Speaker 1: the corner. And I'm like, wow, this has really gone

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Speaker 1: full circle. I wonder now, what is his target demographic?

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Speaker 1: Is he appealing to women in their thirties late twenties,

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Speaker 1: Like it's really interesting. It's been such a shift from

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Speaker 1: teenagers now I feel too, more mature women. I thought

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Speaker 1: people are going to love it, especially if you're you

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Speaker 1: think of it's demographic. They were probably sixteen when they're

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Speaker 1: watching him. They're now growing up, they're moving out of home.

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Speaker 1: They want some fresh recipes, and it's very in fashion

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Speaker 1: at the moment to be careful about what you eat

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Speaker 1: and to eat clean. So I think it's actually going

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Speaker 1: to land pretty well with his audience. Well, he has

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Speaker 1: had his little organic veggie patch and you know, herb

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Speaker 1: garden for a while. Now. I do feel like it

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Speaker 1: is somewhat on brand now for him. It is. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for today. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. We hope you all

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Speaker 1: have an amazing weekend.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much again.

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