WEBVTT - When Donald met Kamala 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:04.120 Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:16.120 ohs oh, now it makes sense. Good morning and welcome 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:18.960 to the Daily OS. It is Thursday, the twelfth of September. 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:20.600 I'm Billy, I'm Zara. 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:25.119 Yesterday we saw the first US presidential debate between Kamala 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:29.240 Harris and Donald Trump. It was fiery, robust, and at 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:33.240 times it was very messy. It was also very different 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:36.280 to the debate we saw between Trump and Biden in June. 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:40.640 Then Trump seems like the almost certain winner. But now 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:43.479 it is neck and neck. If you missed it or 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:45.680 if you're just here for a debrief, we will go 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:50.080 through some of the key takeaways in today's podcast. But first, Zara, 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:54.560 what is making headlines today? 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:59.440 Australia's anti corruption watchdog has announced its investigating sixth current 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:04.160 and former federal politicians. The National Anti Corruption Commission or NAC, 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.839 was set up last year to independently examine alleged corrupt 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:12.200 behavior by public service employees and parliamentary officials. In its 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:15.000 latest update, the NAC said it was currently looking into 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:18.720 twenty nine cases of potential corruption. It said six of 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:21.720 these cases are about current or former MPs, but it 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:24.040 didn't give any further details or names. 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:30.480 Tech giin Meta has admitted to training its generative AI 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:34.800 models with users' public Instagram and Facebook posts. Metas Global 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:38.400 director of Privacy Policy Milinda Claibor fronted a federal Senate 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:41.520 inquiry in Australia yesterday where she said the company had 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:45.040 scraped public posts, photos and videos dating back as far 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:48.040 as two thousand and seven. Claybor said anyone with a 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:51.520 public account could have had their data access for AI training. 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:54.640 Users in the European Union can opt out of their 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.760 posts and photos being fed into Meta's AI systems, but 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.440 no such protection exists in Australia yet. 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:07.160 The man accused of murdering Ugandan olympian Rebecca Cheptegy has 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:12.600 died from severe burns. Cheptegi's former partner, Dixon Marangutch, allegedly 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.400 attacked the marathon runner outside of her home in Kenya 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.160 earlier this month. The thirty three year old mother of 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:21.400 two died in hospital later that week. According to an 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:25.080 update from a hospital spokesperson to Reuter's, Marangutch died on 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:29.280 Monday from his injuries. Cheptegy is the third female athlete 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:32.040 to be killed in Kenya over the past three years, 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:34.680 she represented Uganda at the Paris Games. 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:40.560 In today's good news, new research out of Vienna has 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:44.120 found clowns can shorten the length of children's hospital stays. 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:48.480 Findings presented to the European Respiratory Society tracked the progress 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:52.360 of two groups of young patients hospitalized with pneumonia. One 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.600 group received standard care and the other was visited by 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:59.240 medical clowns four times during their first two days in hospital. 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:02.880 Visited by clown spent an average of twenty six point 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:06.200 five fewer hours in hospital than the other group. The 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:09.120 study found the clowns helped relieve stress and anxiety for 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:13.440 patients aged between two and eighteen years. 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:18.920 Billy, this morning, everyone is talking about US politics. We 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:23.440 had the first debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris yesterday. 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:26.800 If people are just starting to tune in, A, I 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:29.760 understand it's been a long ride, but b can you 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:31.680 just give us a bit of the lay of the land? 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:35.160 Yeap, So we are less than two months out from 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:38.920 the US election. It is happening on the fifth of November, 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.440 and I'm sure everyone knows now, but just a really 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:45.480 quick reminder. So we have Kamala Harris, who is the 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:49.320 official candidate for the Democratic Party, which Joe Biden is 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:53.080 the current leader of, and the Democratic Party is generally 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:56.400 considered to be left of center. Kamala Harris is currently 0:03:56.400 --> 0:04:00.680 the vice president under Joe Biden. Then we have Donald Trump, 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.560 who is the candidate for the Republican Party. So he 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.480 was the president from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty one, 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:10.280 and he beat Hillary Clinton to become the president. Now 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:12.760 this is the third time that Donald Trump has run 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:16.760 for president, the third consecutive time after he lost in 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:20.120 twenty twenty to Joe Biden. And one other thing to 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:24.040 just quickly remember about US politics is that, unlike in Australia, 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:28.560 voting is not compulsory. So not only do candidates have 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:31.520 to convince people to vote for them, but they also 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.880 need to convince people to just vote full stop. And 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.600 one weird little fact about US elections is that it 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:40.200 happens on a Tuesday, so people literally have to leave 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:42.320 work to go vote. So it's a bit of a 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.200 heel just to convince people to get to that first step. 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:48.080 Yeah, I mean, the differences are many, but that is 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:51.279 a huge one. One of the things that we share 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.800 with you the US is this idea of debates and 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:59.040 getting the leaders up to talk about policy hopefully and 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:03.200 debate one and other. In the US, we had the 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.000 first debate, as I said, between these two candidates since 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.599 Joe Biden pulled out of the race. What were the experts, 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.440 the journos, anyone that was keenly watching, what were they 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:13.840 looking for in this debate. 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.960 So, first of all, Harris and Trump have never actually 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:20.520 met in person. That really surprised me when I learned it. 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:24.120 Clearly they don't run in the same circles. So that 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:27.479 was fascinating to watch just them meeting for the first 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:28.520 time face to face. 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:34.440 Carmla Harris, so good debate, you see fun Bako, welcome 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:34.880 to you both. 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.880 And when they did meet, one thing that was interesting 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.840 was that they shook hands. That might sound like it's 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:44.839 not interesting, but anyone who has watched previous debates between 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:48.320 Biden and Trump, they have not shaken hands, and so 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.719 it kind of shows that there could be this new 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.680 era of perhaps more respect between Kamala. 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:55.760 I mean, and then you watched it. 0:05:55.920 --> 0:06:00.560 Yeah, fair, fair point. But it started off morrisul than 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.640 others have. That's just a little side note. One other 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.600 just general thing is that throughout these campaigns, both Harris 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.360 and Trump have been trying to position themselves as this 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.440 change candidate. I mentioned this the last time we did 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.120 an episode on the US election, but it just keeps 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:19.279 coming up. So Kamala Harris is trying to say, you know, 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:23.440 we're not going backwards by re electing Donald Trump. She's 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:26.720 saying that if you're tired of this Trump era of politics, 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:28.479 then you should elect her because she will move the 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:29.919 country forward, not back. 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.360 It is important that we move forward, that we turn 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:38.560 the page on this same old, tired rhetoric and address 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:40.839 the needs of the American people. 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:43.200 I think it is also important to note the other 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.960 kind of change element that Kamala Harris seems to be 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:49.240 leaning into is that she is this youthful next generation 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.200 and I think that's an attempt to separate herself from 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:54.839 Joe Biden and all of the kind of criticisms that 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:55.960 were laid at his feet. 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:57.960 Yeah, as I said last time that we discussed this, 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:00.400 she also just looks very different to all of the 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.480 US presidents that we've had in the past. I mean, 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:03.880 first and foremally, she's a woman. 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:06.240 Yeah, so she did have to stand there during the 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:08.599 debate though, and say, I don't know if you can see, 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.160 but I am not Joe Biden and I'm not Donald Trump. 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:13.680 And yeah, that was very obvious to anyone watching. 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:15.800 Yeah, and then we have Trump on the other hand, 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.920 who is also trying to position himself as the change candidate, 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.240 and he's trying to tell voters that Harris has been 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.480 the vice president for the last nearly four years, and 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.880 so electing her will just be more of the same 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.120 of this Biden era of politics. 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.840 So she just started by saying she's going to do this, 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:34.640 She's going to do that, She's going to do all 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:38.680 these wonderful things. Why hasn't she done it. She's been 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.440 there for three and a half years, They've had three 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.240 and a half years to fix the border, they've had 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:47.480 three and a half years to create jobs, and all 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:51.000 the things we talked about, why hasn't she done it? 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.080 So those were just some of the broad themes that 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.120 kept coming up before the debate. 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:58.000 Yeah, one of the other key things that I saw 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:00.520 coming up a lot as well was this idea that 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:03.880 people didn't know a lot about Kamala Harris. She hasn't 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:05.960 done a lot of sit down interviews she did, you 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:10.239 know her very first one. Fairly recently, she hasn't had 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:12.880 as much of an opportunity as someone like Donald Trump 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.680 to let the world in and get to know her, 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.720 and so this was a vital moment for her to 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:20.960 take center stage and to let America in. 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:24.000 Yeah. I keep hearing that too. You know that people 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:28.040 know that Kamala Harris is against Donald Trump, but they 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:31.320 don't necessarily know what she's for. And that's a key 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:33.800 difference that keeps coming up, and that seems to be 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:35.959 less of a problem for Trump. You know, he has 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:38.880 been president for four years. I think voters know very 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.359 well who he is and what he stands. 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.800 For, and on that idea of what he stands for 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.600 and indeed what Kamala Harris stands for. You know, the 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:50.560 debates are meant to be solely or at least predominantly 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:55.199 about policy. Oftentimes it gets kind of overshadowed by personality, 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.600 politics and everything else that happens when there are two 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:02.040 very strong, very loud and prayer candidates on the stage. 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:04.160 But I do just want to start with the key 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:08.000 policies because that is important. People are electing somebody based 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.440 on what they are envisioning for the country. Can you 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:14.480 take me through what both Donald Trump and Kamala Harris 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:17.720 committed to in that debate about their vision for America. 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:21.120 Yeah, so at a really high level, I'd say that 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.440 there are different policies, but both of them are really 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:27.000 keen to talk about. So for Trump, he keeps wanting 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.520 to talk about inflation, so the higher cost of living. 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:31.320 We have that in Australia as well, and he's wanting 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:35.320 to talk about it in the US. And then also immigration, Yeah, 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:38.040 and then for Harris, she really wants to talk about 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.320 abortion and also crime, and that comes from her background 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:42.319 as a prosecutor. 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:45.000 Yeah, and there's a lot there. I mean, all of 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.559 those topics would take days and days to unpack, but 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:49.680 let's just go through it at a really high level. 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.880 I want to start with immigration because Donald Trump especially 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:56.600 did keep bringing the conversation back to this policy idea. 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.000 Yeah, it was clear that's what he kept wanting to 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:02.080 bring the conversation back to. And that's because he claims 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:04.520 that Kamala Harris has been in charge of the border 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:07.480 for the past three and a half years. I would 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:10.240 say that it was during the immigration section of the 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:14.520 debate that it seemed to turn the most messy. One 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:18.319 of the examples is when Trump claimed that some immigrants 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:22.280 have been eating dogs and cats. I'll play a little 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:24.359 snippet of that in Springfield. 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:28.120 They're eating the dogs the people that came in, they're 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:32.760 eating the cats, they're eating they're eating the pets of 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:34.680 the people that live there. 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:38.000 I just want to clarify here. You bring up Springfield, Ohio, 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:40.840 and ABCDS did reach out to the city manager there. 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.440 He told us there have been no credible reports of 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.760 specific claims of pets being harmed within the immigrant community. 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:48.800 Oh, I've seen people intelligent. Let me just say, this 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:51.440 is the people on television. So my dog was taken 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:53.000 and used for food. 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:56.160 That was certainly one of the moments of the debate 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:59.400 that got a lot of headlines. But as you mentioned, 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:02.360 you know, on questions about the economy, on questions about 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.240 foreign policy, like everything did come back to immigration. And 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.800 if you do want to read up more about where 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:10.880 both of these candidates land when it comes to actual policy, 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.120 that didn't really get much airtime. It was more about 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.920 you know, mud slinging and attacking one another. So there 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:20.360 wasn't a whole heap of you know policy announcements per se, 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.360 but you can absolutely go away and read about where 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.199 both candidates sit on that issue. I do want to 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:30.160 turn to abortion because where Donald Trump favors immigration, it's 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:34.240 very clear Kamala Harris is most comfortable talking about reproductive. 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:37.439 Rights, definitely. So basically the debate here surrounds the fact 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:41.240 that the constitutional right to an abortion was ended in 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:44.880 the US after the Supreme Court overturned it, and that 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:48.360 came after Trump appointed justices to the Supreme Court who 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:52.400 he knew were anti abortion. Now this meant when the U. S. 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:55.040 Supreme Court overturned to the right to an abortion, that 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:58.240 abortion then became a state issue in the US as 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:02.480 opposed to a national issue. But now during this campaign 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:04.800 there is a debate about if it should become a 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:08.240 national issue again. Now Harris is saying that if Trump 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:12.680 was reelected, he would sign a national abortion ban. Now 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.960 Trump outright denies that, but he does agree with several 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:20.440 states that have introduced abortion bans since the constitutional right 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.680 was overturned. Harris, on the other hand, is pro choice, 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:27.439 and so she is broadly against restricting access to abortions. 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.120 Yeah, and while we were watching this as an office 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:34.720 it's just so interesting, you know, reproductive rights and abortion 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:38.760 policy specifically time time again and coming up as the 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:43.680 top issues in the US alongside the economy and foreign affairs, 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.640 and it's just remarkable that, you know, we have two 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.960 candidates who sit so far apart on this publicy there 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.400 is very little, if any overlap. And it was really 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:55.960 in this part of the debate that we heard mentions 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:58.880 of the vice presidential candidates on both sides as well. 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.600 So Donald Trump came out and attacked Tim Walls, who 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.080 is Harris's running mate, and Harris did the same on 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:07.360 JD Vance. So really that does feel like a kind 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:11.880 of battleground issue during this election. Another very big issue 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.960 that both the moderators and the candidates themselves spent a 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:17.600 lot of time talking about was foreign affairs. And I 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:20.760 think that's because right now there are so many different 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.560 wars that are raging across the globe. And also that 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.920 under Joe Biden, the US withdrew from Afghanistan, which is 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:31.080 another big topic. Talk me through where the candidates landed 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:32.360 on these big issues. 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:34.560 Yeah, this was a really big one, and we did 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.160 hear several times Donald Trump saying that we could be 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:40.880 approaching World War Free. So when it came to foreign affairs, 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.400 both candidates were asked about their respective approaches to the 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:49.320 wars in Ukraine, Gaza, and Afghanistan. I'll start with Ukraine, 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:51.880 so Trump said that the war in Ukraine would have 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:55.520 never happened if he had remained in office, and he 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.800 then also said that if he was elected president, he 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.160 would end the Rushie Ukraine war before he actually gets 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.440 to offer. So he's referring there to the period between 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.920 when the November election is and when he would actually 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:11.719 become president if he does win in January. Harris, on 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.880 the other hand, said that she was a staunch supporter 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.160 of Ukraine and President Zelenski, and she spoke a lot 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:22.320 about the role of multilateral institutions like NATO in preventing 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:26.520 the war from growing across Europe. Then came a discussion 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:30.080 on the Israel Hamas war. Harris was asked how she 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:33.120 would break through this stalemate that Joe Biden has found 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:36.120 himself in in terms of reaching a deal between those 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.360 two parties, which we know has been going on for 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:41.840 about a year now. Harris said the war quote needs 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:44.920 to end through a ceasefire and hostage deal. And said 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.200 that she would work towards a two state solution. I 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:49.360 think worth pointing out that's not a departure from what 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.320 Joe Biden is saying. They're clearly very aligned on that topic. 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.360 Trump responded to a question about how he would negotiate 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.280 on this same issue by saying that Harris quote hates 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:03.720 Israel and claiming quote Israel will not exist within two 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:07.120 years from now if she does win the presidency. Harris 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:11.240 disputed that claim quite strongly. Then, finally, the two candidates 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:14.640 were asked about the US withdrawal from Afghanistan, which happened 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:17.920 under Joe Biden and that saw the Taliban returned to 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:22.280 power in the country. Harrah said that she supported Biden's 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:24.800 decision to withdraw, and then she spoke about Trump doing 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:28.480 quote a terrible deal with the Taliban. Trump called the 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.640 withdrawal the quote most embarrassing moment in the history of 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:33.960 our country, and he also went on to suggest that 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:38.040 Russia invaded Ukraine after seeing quote how incompetent she and 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:38.920 her boss are. 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:41.800 I just want to pick up on that last little 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:44.920 quote there, because you said how incompetent she and her 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.280 boss are, and it was something I noticed the whole 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.840 time through the debate was that Donald Trump did not 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:53.880 use Kamala Harris's name once in the full ninety minutes. 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:58.320 He repeatedly referred to Kamala Harris as she or her, 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.400 and often referred to Joe Biden as her boss. He 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:04.680 did mention Joe Biden by name, but not his opponent once. 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.560 So interesting, and that wasn't true for Kamala Harritt. She 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:09.360 did refer to Trump by his name. 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:12.040 Yeah, and she was talking about you know, Trumpy and 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.800 politics and Trumpian policies, whereas he did nothing like that 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:19.280 for her. Okay, So moving on. Obviously there's a lot there, 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.880 and again we can only go through it really at 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.840 a very high level to capture the breadth of it 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:27.760 and to understand a bit about what is going on 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.880 in the US at the moment. One of the quirks 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.520 of debates is that there is a winner. That winner 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.480 is crowned by no one person but by media outlets 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:40.600 more generally. Who was crowned the winner of this debate. 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.360 One of my favorite things to do with US politics 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.120 is to watch CNN and Fox News kind of at 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:49.280 the same time and tune in as simultaneously as I can, 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:53.280 because they just cover the same thing so differently, and 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:55.880 watching them after this debate, it was almost like they 0:16:55.920 --> 0:17:01.479 watched different debates. But despite that, it seemed pretty universal 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:05.959 that media publications declared Harris as the winner of this debate. 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:09.720 So CNN's poll said that sixty three percent of debate 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.919 watchers thought that Harris won the debate, and that was 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:16.120 compared to thirty seven percent who say that Trump won. 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:20.480 Washington Post asked undecided voters who they thought performed better, 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.840 and twenty two people said that Harris performed better, as 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.800 opposed to two people who thought that Trump was better. 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.560 And then Fox News also ran an opinion article after 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.840 the debate that said that Kamala Harris did win, but 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:35.719 and this was a big butt for them that they 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.640 kept bringing up in their broadcast after as well. They 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:42.840 say that basically she only won because the moderators were 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.760 in her favor and basically aided her to have a 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:49.000 better performance. So basically we're completely biased towards her. 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:53.199 Yeah, and that really came up because Donald Trump was 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.480 live fact checked a lot more frequently. I don't even 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:58.840 know if Kamala Harris was fact checked once. 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:03.159 No, definitely nearly as much as they did fact check Trump. 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:07.520 Yeah, and so suddenly the right wing media and you know, 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:11.240 right wing politicians were pointing to that and claiming that 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:12.040 that was bias. 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:12.800 Yeah. 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:14.320 And if you don't know what we're talking about, I mean, 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:16.160 you did hear it just earlier when we were talking 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:18.960 about the dog claim. You could hear the moderator countering 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:22.000 what Donald Trump was saying. He's just one more snippet 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.879 of when it happened. When they were talking about abortion. 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:28.640 Her vice presidential pick says, abortion in the ninth month 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:33.640 is absolutely fine. He also says execution after birth, it's 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:36.560 an execution, no longer abortion because the baby is born 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:37.800 is okay. 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:40.280 There is no state in this country where it is 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:42.399 legal to kill a baby after it's born. 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:46.000 But there is one person who disagrees that Harris won, 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:50.000 and that is Trump. Trump himself was very happy. He 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:52.560 seemed very happy with how the debate went, and he 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:54.840 said it was his best debate ever. And he also 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:56.560 said that he doesn't think that they need to have 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.119 another debate because he would only want to have another 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:01.879 debate if he lost, and in his eyes, he didn't lose. 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:06.640 Okay, So we have well and truly spoken about this debate. 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:10.199 But just when media companies around the world thought that 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:11.879 they could go to the kitchen to get a glass 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:16.120 of water following the debate, Taylor Swift entered the chat. 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.360 Yeah she did. She posted to Instagram declaring her support 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.520 for Kamala Harris and this was really interesting. We had 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:24.840 a debate in the office about whether The Daily Ods 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.720 should cover this, because of course we don't cover every 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.199 time a celebrity comes out in support of one of 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:34.439 the candidates. But I think ultimately we decided that, you know, 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:38.560 she probably is the most famous pop star, probably the 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:41.120 most famous celebrity in the world right now, and her 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:45.480 influence over young people is indisputable, and so we did 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:47.720 cover it. And I'll tell you just quickly what she said. 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:50.720 She basically talked about how Trump, just a few weeks 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:54.520 ago had falsely claimed that Swift supported him, and she 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:57.680 said that the best way to combat that misinformation is 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:00.040 to tell the world the truth. And she said the 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.840 truth is that she will be voting for Kamala Harris 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:05.120 and Tim Waltz at the election in November. 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:08.359 She did also sign off her post as Taylor Swift 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:11.240 Childless cat Lady and that was, of course, in reference 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:14.080 to Trump's vice presidential pick at Jade Vance, who has 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:17.359 been critical of women without children. Billy, we need to 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:18.320 let our listeners go. 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:21.800 On way over before we do. 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:26.080 What is the kind of one sentence summary of where 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:28.520 Trump and Harris are in the polls? How are they 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:29.800 tracking ahead of November? 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:32.800 They are completely neck and neck. All the polls are 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:35.680 saying that there is about a one point difference between them, 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:37.720 so you just can't separate them. No matter what. It 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:39.960 will be an extremely tight race. 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:42.440 That's for sure. And Billy, thank you for jumping onto 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:45.199 the pod and explaining everything that we need to know 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:46.960 about all things American politics. 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:48.639 Thank you so much for giving me the space to 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:51.000 talk about my true love that is us politics. 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:51.920 You're going to say tell us. 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:53.520 No. 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:56.240 And thank you so much to the listeners for listening 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:59.359 to this episode of the Daily os. 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