Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily
Speaker 1: ohs oh, now it makes sense. Good morning and welcome
Speaker 1: to the Daily OS. It is Thursday, the twelfth of September.
Speaker 2: I'm Billy, I'm Zara.
Speaker 1: Yesterday we saw the first US presidential debate between Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris and Donald Trump. It was fiery, robust, and at
Speaker 1: times it was very messy. It was also very different
Speaker 1: to the debate we saw between Trump and Biden in June.
Speaker 1: Then Trump seems like the almost certain winner. But now
Speaker 1: it is neck and neck. If you missed it or
Speaker 1: if you're just here for a debrief, we will go
Speaker 1: through some of the key takeaways in today's podcast. But first, Zara,
Speaker 1: what is making headlines today?
Speaker 2: Australia's anti corruption watchdog has announced its investigating sixth current
Speaker 2: and former federal politicians. The National Anti Corruption Commission or NAC,
Speaker 2: was set up last year to independently examine alleged corrupt
Speaker 2: behavior by public service employees and parliamentary officials. In its
Speaker 2: latest update, the NAC said it was currently looking into
Speaker 2: twenty nine cases of potential corruption. It said six of
Speaker 2: these cases are about current or former MPs, but it
Speaker 2: didn't give any further details or names.
Speaker 1: Tech giin Meta has admitted to training its generative AI
Speaker 1: models with users' public Instagram and Facebook posts. Metas Global
Speaker 1: director of Privacy Policy Milinda Claibor fronted a federal Senate
Speaker 1: inquiry in Australia yesterday where she said the company had
Speaker 1: scraped public posts, photos and videos dating back as far
Speaker 1: as two thousand and seven. Claybor said anyone with a
Speaker 1: public account could have had their data access for AI training.
Speaker 1: Users in the European Union can opt out of their
Speaker 1: posts and photos being fed into Meta's AI systems, but
Speaker 1: no such protection exists in Australia yet.
Speaker 2: The man accused of murdering Ugandan olympian Rebecca Cheptegy has
Speaker 2: died from severe burns. Cheptegi's former partner, Dixon Marangutch, allegedly
Speaker 2: attacked the marathon runner outside of her home in Kenya
Speaker 2: earlier this month. The thirty three year old mother of
Speaker 2: two died in hospital later that week. According to an
Speaker 2: update from a hospital spokesperson to Reuter's, Marangutch died on
Speaker 2: Monday from his injuries. Cheptegy is the third female athlete
Speaker 2: to be killed in Kenya over the past three years,
Speaker 2: she represented Uganda at the Paris Games.
Speaker 1: In today's good news, new research out of Vienna has
Speaker 1: found clowns can shorten the length of children's hospital stays.
Speaker 1: Findings presented to the European Respiratory Society tracked the progress
Speaker 1: of two groups of young patients hospitalized with pneumonia. One
Speaker 1: group received standard care and the other was visited by
Speaker 1: medical clowns four times during their first two days in hospital.
Speaker 1: Visited by clown spent an average of twenty six point
Speaker 1: five fewer hours in hospital than the other group. The
Speaker 1: study found the clowns helped relieve stress and anxiety for
Speaker 1: patients aged between two and eighteen years.
Speaker 2: Billy, this morning, everyone is talking about US politics. We
Speaker 2: had the first debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris yesterday.
Speaker 2: If people are just starting to tune in, A, I
Speaker 2: understand it's been a long ride, but b can you
Speaker 2: just give us a bit of the lay of the land?
Speaker 1: Yeap, So we are less than two months out from
Speaker 1: the US election. It is happening on the fifth of November,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure everyone knows now, but just a really
Speaker 1: quick reminder. So we have Kamala Harris, who is the
Speaker 1: official candidate for the Democratic Party, which Joe Biden is
Speaker 1: the current leader of, and the Democratic Party is generally
Speaker 1: considered to be left of center. Kamala Harris is currently
Speaker 1: the vice president under Joe Biden. Then we have Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: who is the candidate for the Republican Party. So he
Speaker 1: was the president from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: and he beat Hillary Clinton to become the president. Now
Speaker 1: this is the third time that Donald Trump has run
Speaker 1: for president, the third consecutive time after he lost in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty to Joe Biden. And one other thing to
Speaker 1: just quickly remember about US politics is that, unlike in Australia,
Speaker 1: voting is not compulsory. So not only do candidates have
Speaker 1: to convince people to vote for them, but they also
Speaker 1: need to convince people to just vote full stop. And
Speaker 1: one weird little fact about US elections is that it
Speaker 1: happens on a Tuesday, so people literally have to leave
Speaker 1: work to go vote. So it's a bit of a
Speaker 1: heel just to convince people to get to that first step.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the differences are many, but that is
Speaker 2: a huge one. One of the things that we share
Speaker 2: with you the US is this idea of debates and
Speaker 2: getting the leaders up to talk about policy hopefully and
Speaker 2: debate one and other. In the US, we had the
Speaker 2: first debate, as I said, between these two candidates since
Speaker 2: Joe Biden pulled out of the race. What were the experts,
Speaker 2: the journos, anyone that was keenly watching, what were they
Speaker 2: looking for in this debate.
Speaker 1: So, first of all, Harris and Trump have never actually
Speaker 1: met in person. That really surprised me when I learned it.
Speaker 1: Clearly they don't run in the same circles. So that
Speaker 1: was fascinating to watch just them meeting for the first
Speaker 1: time face to face.
Speaker 3: Carmla Harris, so good debate, you see fun Bako, welcome
Speaker 3: to you both.
Speaker 1: And when they did meet, one thing that was interesting
Speaker 1: was that they shook hands. That might sound like it's
Speaker 1: not interesting, but anyone who has watched previous debates between
Speaker 1: Biden and Trump, they have not shaken hands, and so
Speaker 1: it kind of shows that there could be this new
Speaker 1: era of perhaps more respect between Kamala.
Speaker 2: I mean, and then you watched it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair, fair point. But it started off morrisul than
Speaker 1: others have. That's just a little side note. One other
Speaker 1: just general thing is that throughout these campaigns, both Harris
Speaker 1: and Trump have been trying to position themselves as this
Speaker 1: change candidate. I mentioned this the last time we did
Speaker 1: an episode on the US election, but it just keeps
Speaker 1: coming up. So Kamala Harris is trying to say, you know,
Speaker 1: we're not going backwards by re electing Donald Trump. She's
Speaker 1: saying that if you're tired of this Trump era of politics,
Speaker 1: then you should elect her because she will move the
Speaker 1: country forward, not back.
Speaker 3: It is important that we move forward, that we turn
Speaker 3: the page on this same old, tired rhetoric and address
Speaker 3: the needs of the American people.
Speaker 2: I think it is also important to note the other
Speaker 2: kind of change element that Kamala Harris seems to be
Speaker 2: leaning into is that she is this youthful next generation
Speaker 2: and I think that's an attempt to separate herself from
Speaker 2: Joe Biden and all of the kind of criticisms that
Speaker 2: were laid at his feet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as I said last time that we discussed this,
Speaker 1: she also just looks very different to all of the
Speaker 1: US presidents that we've had in the past. I mean,
Speaker 1: first and foremally, she's a woman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she did have to stand there during the
Speaker 2: debate though, and say, I don't know if you can see,
Speaker 2: but I am not Joe Biden and I'm not Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that was very obvious to anyone watching.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we have Trump on the other hand,
Speaker 1: who is also trying to position himself as the change candidate,
Speaker 1: and he's trying to tell voters that Harris has been
Speaker 1: the vice president for the last nearly four years, and
Speaker 1: so electing her will just be more of the same
Speaker 1: of this Biden era of politics.
Speaker 4: So she just started by saying she's going to do this,
Speaker 4: She's going to do that, She's going to do all
Speaker 4: these wonderful things. Why hasn't she done it. She's been
Speaker 4: there for three and a half years, They've had three
Speaker 4: and a half years to fix the border, they've had
Speaker 4: three and a half years to create jobs, and all
Speaker 4: the things we talked about, why hasn't she done it?
Speaker 1: So those were just some of the broad themes that
Speaker 1: kept coming up before the debate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the other key things that I saw
Speaker 2: coming up a lot as well was this idea that
Speaker 2: people didn't know a lot about Kamala Harris. She hasn't
Speaker 2: done a lot of sit down interviews she did, you
Speaker 2: know her very first one. Fairly recently, she hasn't had
Speaker 2: as much of an opportunity as someone like Donald Trump
Speaker 2: to let the world in and get to know her,
Speaker 2: and so this was a vital moment for her to
Speaker 2: take center stage and to let America in.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I keep hearing that too. You know that people
Speaker 1: know that Kamala Harris is against Donald Trump, but they
Speaker 1: don't necessarily know what she's for. And that's a key
Speaker 1: difference that keeps coming up, and that seems to be
Speaker 1: less of a problem for Trump. You know, he has
Speaker 1: been president for four years. I think voters know very
Speaker 1: well who he is and what he stands.
Speaker 2: For, and on that idea of what he stands for
Speaker 2: and indeed what Kamala Harris stands for. You know, the
Speaker 2: debates are meant to be solely or at least predominantly
Speaker 2: about policy. Oftentimes it gets kind of overshadowed by personality,
Speaker 2: politics and everything else that happens when there are two
Speaker 2: very strong, very loud and prayer candidates on the stage.
Speaker 2: But I do just want to start with the key
Speaker 2: policies because that is important. People are electing somebody based
Speaker 2: on what they are envisioning for the country. Can you
Speaker 2: take me through what both Donald Trump and Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: committed to in that debate about their vision for America.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so at a really high level, I'd say that
Speaker 1: there are different policies, but both of them are really
Speaker 1: keen to talk about. So for Trump, he keeps wanting
Speaker 1: to talk about inflation, so the higher cost of living.
Speaker 1: We have that in Australia as well, and he's wanting
Speaker 1: to talk about it in the US. And then also immigration, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then for Harris, she really wants to talk about
Speaker 1: abortion and also crime, and that comes from her background
Speaker 1: as a prosecutor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a lot there. I mean, all of
Speaker 2: those topics would take days and days to unpack, but
Speaker 2: let's just go through it at a really high level.
Speaker 2: I want to start with immigration because Donald Trump especially
Speaker 2: did keep bringing the conversation back to this policy idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was clear that's what he kept wanting to
Speaker 1: bring the conversation back to. And that's because he claims
Speaker 1: that Kamala Harris has been in charge of the border
Speaker 1: for the past three and a half years. I would
Speaker 1: say that it was during the immigration section of the
Speaker 1: debate that it seemed to turn the most messy. One
Speaker 1: of the examples is when Trump claimed that some immigrants
Speaker 1: have been eating dogs and cats. I'll play a little
Speaker 1: snippet of that in Springfield.
Speaker 4: They're eating the dogs the people that came in, they're
Speaker 4: eating the cats, they're eating they're eating the pets of
Speaker 4: the people that live there.
Speaker 5: I just want to clarify here. You bring up Springfield, Ohio,
Speaker 5: and ABCDS did reach out to the city manager there.
Speaker 5: He told us there have been no credible reports of
Speaker 5: specific claims of pets being harmed within the immigrant community.
Speaker 4: Oh, I've seen people intelligent. Let me just say, this
Speaker 4: is the people on television. So my dog was taken
Speaker 4: and used for food.
Speaker 2: That was certainly one of the moments of the debate
Speaker 2: that got a lot of headlines. But as you mentioned,
Speaker 2: you know, on questions about the economy, on questions about
Speaker 2: foreign policy, like everything did come back to immigration. And
Speaker 2: if you do want to read up more about where
Speaker 2: both of these candidates land when it comes to actual policy,
Speaker 2: that didn't really get much airtime. It was more about
Speaker 2: you know, mud slinging and attacking one another. So there
Speaker 2: wasn't a whole heap of you know policy announcements per se,
Speaker 2: but you can absolutely go away and read about where
Speaker 2: both candidates sit on that issue. I do want to
Speaker 2: turn to abortion because where Donald Trump favors immigration, it's
Speaker 2: very clear Kamala Harris is most comfortable talking about reproductive.
Speaker 1: Rights, definitely. So basically the debate here surrounds the fact
Speaker 1: that the constitutional right to an abortion was ended in
Speaker 1: the US after the Supreme Court overturned it, and that
Speaker 1: came after Trump appointed justices to the Supreme Court who
Speaker 1: he knew were anti abortion. Now this meant when the U. S.
Speaker 1: Supreme Court overturned to the right to an abortion, that
Speaker 1: abortion then became a state issue in the US as
Speaker 1: opposed to a national issue. But now during this campaign
Speaker 1: there is a debate about if it should become a
Speaker 1: national issue again. Now Harris is saying that if Trump
Speaker 1: was reelected, he would sign a national abortion ban. Now
Speaker 1: Trump outright denies that, but he does agree with several
Speaker 1: states that have introduced abortion bans since the constitutional right
Speaker 1: was overturned. Harris, on the other hand, is pro choice,
Speaker 1: and so she is broadly against restricting access to abortions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and while we were watching this as an office
Speaker 2: it's just so interesting, you know, reproductive rights and abortion
Speaker 2: policy specifically time time again and coming up as the
Speaker 2: top issues in the US alongside the economy and foreign affairs,
Speaker 2: and it's just remarkable that, you know, we have two
Speaker 2: candidates who sit so far apart on this publicy there
Speaker 2: is very little, if any overlap. And it was really
Speaker 2: in this part of the debate that we heard mentions
Speaker 2: of the vice presidential candidates on both sides as well.
Speaker 2: So Donald Trump came out and attacked Tim Walls, who
Speaker 2: is Harris's running mate, and Harris did the same on
Speaker 2: JD Vance. So really that does feel like a kind
Speaker 2: of battleground issue during this election. Another very big issue
Speaker 2: that both the moderators and the candidates themselves spent a
Speaker 2: lot of time talking about was foreign affairs. And I
Speaker 2: think that's because right now there are so many different
Speaker 2: wars that are raging across the globe. And also that
Speaker 2: under Joe Biden, the US withdrew from Afghanistan, which is
Speaker 2: another big topic. Talk me through where the candidates landed
Speaker 2: on these big issues.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a really big one, and we did
Speaker 1: hear several times Donald Trump saying that we could be
Speaker 1: approaching World War Free. So when it came to foreign affairs,
Speaker 1: both candidates were asked about their respective approaches to the
Speaker 1: wars in Ukraine, Gaza, and Afghanistan. I'll start with Ukraine,
Speaker 1: so Trump said that the war in Ukraine would have
Speaker 1: never happened if he had remained in office, and he
Speaker 1: then also said that if he was elected president, he
Speaker 1: would end the Rushie Ukraine war before he actually gets
Speaker 1: to offer. So he's referring there to the period between
Speaker 1: when the November election is and when he would actually
Speaker 1: become president if he does win in January. Harris, on
Speaker 1: the other hand, said that she was a staunch supporter
Speaker 1: of Ukraine and President Zelenski, and she spoke a lot
Speaker 1: about the role of multilateral institutions like NATO in preventing
Speaker 1: the war from growing across Europe. Then came a discussion
Speaker 1: on the Israel Hamas war. Harris was asked how she
Speaker 1: would break through this stalemate that Joe Biden has found
Speaker 1: himself in in terms of reaching a deal between those
Speaker 1: two parties, which we know has been going on for
Speaker 1: about a year now. Harris said the war quote needs
Speaker 1: to end through a ceasefire and hostage deal. And said
Speaker 1: that she would work towards a two state solution. I
Speaker 1: think worth pointing out that's not a departure from what
Speaker 1: Joe Biden is saying. They're clearly very aligned on that topic.
Speaker 1: Trump responded to a question about how he would negotiate
Speaker 1: on this same issue by saying that Harris quote hates
Speaker 1: Israel and claiming quote Israel will not exist within two
Speaker 1: years from now if she does win the presidency. Harris
Speaker 1: disputed that claim quite strongly. Then, finally, the two candidates
Speaker 1: were asked about the US withdrawal from Afghanistan, which happened
Speaker 1: under Joe Biden and that saw the Taliban returned to
Speaker 1: power in the country. Harrah said that she supported Biden's
Speaker 1: decision to withdraw, and then she spoke about Trump doing
Speaker 1: quote a terrible deal with the Taliban. Trump called the
Speaker 1: withdrawal the quote most embarrassing moment in the history of
Speaker 1: our country, and he also went on to suggest that
Speaker 1: Russia invaded Ukraine after seeing quote how incompetent she and
Speaker 1: her boss are.
Speaker 2: I just want to pick up on that last little
Speaker 2: quote there, because you said how incompetent she and her
Speaker 2: boss are, and it was something I noticed the whole
Speaker 2: time through the debate was that Donald Trump did not
Speaker 2: use Kamala Harris's name once in the full ninety minutes.
Speaker 2: He repeatedly referred to Kamala Harris as she or her,
Speaker 2: and often referred to Joe Biden as her boss. He
Speaker 2: did mention Joe Biden by name, but not his opponent once.
Speaker 1: So interesting, and that wasn't true for Kamala Harritt. She
Speaker 1: did refer to Trump by his name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she was talking about you know, Trumpy and
Speaker 2: politics and Trumpian policies, whereas he did nothing like that
Speaker 2: for her. Okay, So moving on. Obviously there's a lot there,
Speaker 2: and again we can only go through it really at
Speaker 2: a very high level to capture the breadth of it
Speaker 2: and to understand a bit about what is going on
Speaker 2: in the US at the moment. One of the quirks
Speaker 2: of debates is that there is a winner. That winner
Speaker 2: is crowned by no one person but by media outlets
Speaker 2: more generally. Who was crowned the winner of this debate.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite things to do with US politics
Speaker 1: is to watch CNN and Fox News kind of at
Speaker 1: the same time and tune in as simultaneously as I can,
Speaker 1: because they just cover the same thing so differently, and
Speaker 1: watching them after this debate, it was almost like they
Speaker 1: watched different debates. But despite that, it seemed pretty universal
Speaker 1: that media publications declared Harris as the winner of this debate.
Speaker 1: So CNN's poll said that sixty three percent of debate
Speaker 1: watchers thought that Harris won the debate, and that was
Speaker 1: compared to thirty seven percent who say that Trump won.
Speaker 1: Washington Post asked undecided voters who they thought performed better,
Speaker 1: and twenty two people said that Harris performed better, as
Speaker 1: opposed to two people who thought that Trump was better.
Speaker 1: And then Fox News also ran an opinion article after
Speaker 1: the debate that said that Kamala Harris did win, but
Speaker 1: and this was a big butt for them that they
Speaker 1: kept bringing up in their broadcast after as well. They
Speaker 1: say that basically she only won because the moderators were
Speaker 1: in her favor and basically aided her to have a
Speaker 1: better performance. So basically we're completely biased towards her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that really came up because Donald Trump was
Speaker 2: live fact checked a lot more frequently. I don't even
Speaker 2: know if Kamala Harris was fact checked once.
Speaker 1: No, definitely nearly as much as they did fact check Trump.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so suddenly the right wing media and you know,
Speaker 2: right wing politicians were pointing to that and claiming that
Speaker 2: that was bias.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And if you don't know what we're talking about, I mean,
Speaker 1: you did hear it just earlier when we were talking
Speaker 1: about the dog claim. You could hear the moderator countering
Speaker 1: what Donald Trump was saying. He's just one more snippet
Speaker 1: of when it happened. When they were talking about abortion.
Speaker 4: Her vice presidential pick says, abortion in the ninth month
Speaker 4: is absolutely fine. He also says execution after birth, it's
Speaker 4: an execution, no longer abortion because the baby is born
Speaker 4: is okay.
Speaker 5: There is no state in this country where it is
Speaker 5: legal to kill a baby after it's born.
Speaker 1: But there is one person who disagrees that Harris won,
Speaker 1: and that is Trump. Trump himself was very happy. He
Speaker 1: seemed very happy with how the debate went, and he
Speaker 1: said it was his best debate ever. And he also
Speaker 1: said that he doesn't think that they need to have
Speaker 1: another debate because he would only want to have another
Speaker 1: debate if he lost, and in his eyes, he didn't lose.
Speaker 2: Okay, So we have well and truly spoken about this debate.
Speaker 2: But just when media companies around the world thought that
Speaker 2: they could go to the kitchen to get a glass
Speaker 2: of water following the debate, Taylor Swift entered the chat.
Speaker 1: Yeah she did. She posted to Instagram declaring her support
Speaker 1: for Kamala Harris and this was really interesting. We had
Speaker 1: a debate in the office about whether The Daily Ods
Speaker 1: should cover this, because of course we don't cover every
Speaker 1: time a celebrity comes out in support of one of
Speaker 1: the candidates. But I think ultimately we decided that, you know,
Speaker 1: she probably is the most famous pop star, probably the
Speaker 1: most famous celebrity in the world right now, and her
Speaker 1: influence over young people is indisputable, and so we did
Speaker 1: cover it. And I'll tell you just quickly what she said.
Speaker 1: She basically talked about how Trump, just a few weeks
Speaker 1: ago had falsely claimed that Swift supported him, and she
Speaker 1: said that the best way to combat that misinformation is
Speaker 1: to tell the world the truth. And she said the
Speaker 1: truth is that she will be voting for Kamala Harris
Speaker 1: and Tim Waltz at the election in November.
Speaker 2: She did also sign off her post as Taylor Swift
Speaker 2: Childless cat Lady and that was, of course, in reference
Speaker 2: to Trump's vice presidential pick at Jade Vance, who has
Speaker 2: been critical of women without children. Billy, we need to
Speaker 2: let our listeners go.
Speaker 1: On way over before we do.
Speaker 2: What is the kind of one sentence summary of where
Speaker 2: Trump and Harris are in the polls? How are they
Speaker 2: tracking ahead of November?
Speaker 1: They are completely neck and neck. All the polls are
Speaker 1: saying that there is about a one point difference between them,
Speaker 1: so you just can't separate them. No matter what. It
Speaker 1: will be an extremely tight race.
Speaker 2: That's for sure. And Billy, thank you for jumping onto
Speaker 2: the pod and explaining everything that we need to know
Speaker 2: about all things American politics.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for giving me the space to
Speaker 1: talk about my true love that is us politics.
Speaker 2: You're going to say tell us.
Speaker 4: No.
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