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Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily

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Speaker 1: ohs oh, now it makes sense. Good morning and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Daily OS. It is Thursday, the twelfth of September.

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Speaker 2: I'm Billy, I'm Zara.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday we saw the first US presidential debate between Kamala

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Speaker 1: times it was very messy. It was also very different

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Speaker 1: to the debate we saw between Trump and Biden in June.

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Speaker 1: Then Trump seems like the almost certain winner. But now

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Speaker 1: it is neck and neck. If you missed it or

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Speaker 1: if you're just here for a debrief, we will go

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Speaker 1: through some of the key takeaways in today's podcast. But first, Zara,

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Speaker 1: what is making headlines today?

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Speaker 2: Australia's anti corruption watchdog has announced its investigating sixth current

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Speaker 2: and former federal politicians. The National Anti Corruption Commission or NAC,

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Speaker 2: behavior by public service employees and parliamentary officials. In its

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Speaker 2: latest update, the NAC said it was currently looking into

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Speaker 2: twenty nine cases of potential corruption. It said six of

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Speaker 2: these cases are about current or former MPs, but it

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Speaker 2: didn't give any further details or names.

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Speaker 1: Tech giin Meta has admitted to training its generative AI

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Speaker 1: models with users' public Instagram and Facebook posts. Metas Global

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Speaker 1: director of Privacy Policy Milinda Claibor fronted a federal Senate

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Speaker 1: inquiry in Australia yesterday where she said the company had

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Speaker 1: scraped public posts, photos and videos dating back as far

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Speaker 1: as two thousand and seven. Claybor said anyone with a

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Speaker 1: public account could have had their data access for AI training.

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Speaker 1: Users in the European Union can opt out of their

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Speaker 1: posts and photos being fed into Meta's AI systems, but

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Speaker 2: The man accused of murdering Ugandan olympian Rebecca Cheptegy has

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Speaker 2: died from severe burns. Cheptegi's former partner, Dixon Marangutch, allegedly

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Speaker 1: In today's good news, new research out of Vienna has

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Speaker 1: found clowns can shorten the length of children's hospital stays.

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Speaker 1: Findings presented to the European Respiratory Society tracked the progress

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Speaker 1: group received standard care and the other was visited by

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Speaker 1: medical clowns four times during their first two days in hospital.

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Speaker 1: Visited by clown spent an average of twenty six point

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Speaker 2: Billy, this morning, everyone is talking about US politics. We

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Speaker 2: had the first debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris yesterday.

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Speaker 2: If people are just starting to tune in, A, I

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Speaker 2: understand it's been a long ride, but b can you

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Speaker 2: just give us a bit of the lay of the land?

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Speaker 1: Yeap, So we are less than two months out from

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Speaker 1: the US election. It is happening on the fifth of November,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure everyone knows now, but just a really

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Speaker 1: the current leader of, and the Democratic Party is generally

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Speaker 1: So, first of all, Harris and Trump have never actually

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Speaker 1: And when they did meet, one thing that was interesting

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Speaker 4: So she just started by saying she's going to do this,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so at a really high level, I'd say that

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Speaker 4: They're eating the dogs the people that came in, they're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that really came up because Donald Trump was

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Speaker 1: No, definitely nearly as much as they did fact check Trump.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so suddenly the right wing media and you know,

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we have well and truly spoken about this debate.

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Speaker 2: She did also sign off her post as Taylor Swift

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Speaker 1: On way over before we do.

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Speaker 2: That's for sure. And Billy, thank you for jumping onto

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for giving me the space to

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Speaker 2: You're going to say tell us.

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