1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: Bungelung Calcuttin woman from Gadighl country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: Strait Island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Monday, 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 2: the eleventh of December. I'm Zara Sam. Twenty twenty three 9 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 2: is somehow rapidly coming to an end, and with it 10 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 2: comes the end of Parliament, which had its last sitting 11 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: day last week. On this podcast, we bring you the 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 2: big political developments as they come, but looking back on 13 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: the year, it can all seem like a bit of 14 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 2: a blur. Now that things have officially wrapped, we thought 15 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: it would be a good time to take a look 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: back and look at some of. 17 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 3: The biggest political milestones of the year. 18 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: Tida's journalist Harry Sekolitch will join us in the deeps. 19 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: I have to talk us through the biggest political moments 20 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty three. 21 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 3: But first am, let's do the headlines. 22 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 4: Willzara. The big news yesterday was that Queensland Premier Anastasia 23 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 4: Palochet did announce she is stepping down as premier. Palachet 24 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 4: has been the Premier of Queensland since twenty fifteen. When 25 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 4: she announced her retirement yesterday, she said, I've given it 26 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 4: my all and I have run a marathon. Now is 27 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 4: the time for me to find out what else life 28 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 4: has to offer. Her last day as premier will be 29 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 4: on Friday, when a new leader will be decided by 30 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 4: the Labor Party. The next Queensland election is scheduled for 31 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 4: October next year. 32 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 2: Twenty twenty three has been confirmed as the hottest year 33 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: on record by the EU's Copernicus Climate Change Service. Global 34 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: temperature records have been broken every month since June, making 35 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: this the warmest year since records began in nineteen forty. 36 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 4: The federal government has announced new rules that we'll see 37 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 4: the taxes tripled for foreigners who buy existing houses in 38 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 4: Australia and a doubling of fees if the houses are 39 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 4: left vacant. The new rules were announced by Treasurer Jim 40 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 4: Chalmers yesterday and is predicted to bring in an extra 41 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 4: five hundred million dollars for the government. Chalmers said the 42 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 4: changes are to improve housing affordability and supply and. 43 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: The good news the launch of a new tracking tool 44 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: could make it easier to track greenhouse gas emissions. Nonprofit 45 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 2: group Climate Trace released a tracking tool at the cop 46 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: twenty eight Climate Summit that'll make information about emissions from 47 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 2: individual sites much more accessible to the public. It's hoped 48 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: the tool will be a helpful resource for organizations to 49 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: track and report on amission's reduction progress. All right, so, Harry, 50 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: today I have given you a bit of a challenge, 51 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 2: a difficult one at that. We are at the end 52 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: of the year and we're looking back and I want 53 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: you to pick the five biggest political stories of the year. 54 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 3: It seems like an easy task. 55 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, look, thank you for that, Zara. I mean, there's 56 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 5: just so much that happens in Canberra and in politics. 57 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 5: So when you try to think of the five big moments, 58 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 5: next thing, you know, you've got fifty moments on your play. 59 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: All right, well we're going to distill it. We're gonna 60 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: go why don't we start with the easiest one. What 61 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,399 Speaker 2: do you think was the biggest political story of the year. 62 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 5: So, without a doubt, and I think you would agree 63 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 5: with me, Zara. The Voice to Parliament referendum was definitely 64 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 5: the biggest story out of Parliament and out of Canberra 65 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 5: this year. 66 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I kept saying I thought it was 67 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: going to be the biggest story really of our generation. 68 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: We hadn't gone to a referendum before, and it's unlikely 69 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: we'll go to one again anytime soon. Can you just 70 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: talk us through why you think it's the biggest political 71 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: story of the year, especially you know, in kind of 72 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: the parliamentary sense. 73 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure. 74 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 5: So I think, first of all, should define what the 75 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 5: Voice to Parliament actually was. So it was a proposal 76 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 5: to add a first nation's advisory body into the Constitution. 77 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 5: So when Anthony Albanezi came into power in May last year, 78 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 5: he promised to implement the twenty seventeen ULARU Statement from 79 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 5: a heart, and so the first recommendation of the Statement 80 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 5: called for a Voice to Parliament to become permanently enshrined 81 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 5: in the Constitution. So we went to a referendum because 82 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 5: we needed to vote as the Australian public, on whether 83 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 5: or not we agreed to change the constitution. 84 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 2: When you say it like that, It seems so simple, 85 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 2: just a yes or no answer, but yet it turned 86 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 2: into oh, just so much more. 87 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 5: I think that we all know that it definitely went 88 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 5: beyond the realms of just yes or no. So the 89 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 5: government obviously was pushing for this change to happen. The 90 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 5: Coalition formally opposed it, saying it was risky and a 91 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 5: divisive proposal. We've heard a lot of if you don't know, 92 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 5: vote no from that side of politics. So it was 93 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 5: a huge political story and for a number of reasons, 94 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 5: the Voice actually changed the composition of the Parliament itself. 95 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 5: So the Liberal Party's Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians, Julian Lisa, 96 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 5: resigned as a shadow minister so that he could campaign 97 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 5: in favor of the Voice and going over to the 98 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 5: Greens on the more progressive side of politics. Senator Lydia Thoughpe, 99 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 5: quit the party when it was deciding its position on 100 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 5: the Voice. She's now declared herself as a representative for 101 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 5: the Black Sovereign Movement, which is this First Nation's justice 102 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 5: advocacy platform. Out in public, there were so many conversations 103 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 5: taking place about the Voice and First Nations policy more broadly, 104 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:59,679 Speaker 5: and we saw roundtables community forums in RSLs and school 105 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,799 Speaker 5: halls and community centers, and of course we also saw 106 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 5: a lot of public rallies in the lead up to 107 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 5: the referendum on October the fourteenth. 108 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 3: But in the end it was a fairly clear response, right. 109 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 5: The results came in hard and fast. About an hour 110 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 5: and a half after the polls closed, the ABC's election 111 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 5: analyst Anthony Green declared that the Voice had been defeated, 112 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 5: so it didn't get the double majority that it needed 113 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 5: to be successful. So that's both a majority of Australia's 114 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 5: population and the majority of the states. 115 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: It actually didn't get either of those two things, so 116 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: there was no chance of that passing. But I do 117 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: think you're right that'll be one of the defining moments 118 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 2: I think, not just of this year, but of Anthony 119 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 2: Albanesi's Prime ministership. I think that he had had a 120 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: fairly long honeymoon period for lack of a better term, 121 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 2: and it was really a turning point when his government 122 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: went so fully behind backing this and there was such 123 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 2: a decisive rejection of it. So it'll certainly be interesting, 124 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 2: you know, after his term is finished, to see how 125 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: that comes out and what is remembered of this time 126 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 2: moving on though, there wasn't just the voice this year. 127 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: There were other really big topics, So talking me through 128 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: your next choice for the big stories of twenty twenty three. 129 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 5: So yeah, when I was thinking about some of the 130 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 5: other big stories of the year, robodebt definitely came to 131 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 5: mind and the Royal Commission into the schemes, so just 132 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 5: basically as a refresher. Robodet was this scheme set up 133 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,679 Speaker 5: in twenty fifteen that lasted until twenty nineteen where under 134 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 5: the coalition government's welfare recipients were told that they had 135 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 5: outstanding debts. So this turned out to actually be illegal 136 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 5: and in fact Centerlink issued over one point seven billion 137 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 5: dollars in unlawful debt notices to hundreds of thousands of 138 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 5: people and look, I don't know about Yuzara, that's just 139 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 5: a pretty mind boggling number. So when the government changed 140 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 5: hands last year, Albanezi announced a Royal Commission into robodebt. 141 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 5: The commission lasted months and months and we heard from 142 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 5: former Prime Ministers Malcolm Turnbull and Scott Morrison, several senior 143 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 5: ministers who oversaw parts of the scheme at the time, 144 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 5: their staffers and the staff of the government departments in 145 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 5: charge of actually carrying out the scheme. And what was 146 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 5: quite upsetting for many people and definitely quite distressing to 147 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 5: hear in the inquiry was just the human toll of 148 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 5: this scheme. Two mothers gave testimony about the role of 149 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 5: robodet in their son's debts by suicide, and the Commission 150 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 5: said it became aware of at least one other death 151 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 5: and so Commissioner Catherine Holmes said that the scheme was 152 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 5: quote responsible for heartbreak and harm, and the final report 153 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 5: described robodebt as crude and cruel. Now, responding to the report, 154 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 5: Prime Minister Anthony Albernezi says, the Royal Commission has revealed 155 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 5: a gross betrayal and a human tragedy. It was wrong, 156 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 5: it was illegal, It should never have happened and it 157 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 5: should never happen again. 158 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 3: That report was absolutely scathing. To say the least. 159 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 2: Have there been any changes since the Royal Commission, Because 160 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 2: I think one of the things that always come up 161 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: when we talk about inquiries or Royal commissions is, you know, 162 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 2: it's one thing to find out this information and to 163 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: uncover it, but it's another thing to actually make the 164 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 2: change that should come next. 165 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 6: Yes. 166 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 5: So the Royal Commission made fifty seven recommendations and the 167 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 5: government has agreed to bring in fifty six of those. 168 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 5: So the recommendations focused on things like changing how the 169 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 5: public service works to avoid something like Robodette happening again. 170 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: All right, Harry, you have nearly used up half your 171 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 2: picks of the year. 172 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 3: What is your next one? 173 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 5: So, because everyone's is prick up like a dog when 174 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 5: we hear about corruption in politics, I'd have to go 175 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 5: for the National Anti Corruption Commission being set up this year. 176 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 6: Abuse of power and the corridors of Federal Parliament has 177 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 6: a new enemy. Tonight, the National Anti Corruption Commission has 178 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 6: officially launched in Canberra, with dozens of referrals already received. 179 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: It feels like at the last federal election corruption was 180 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: legitimately the only thing we were talking about, and you know, 181 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: it was a major distinction between how the two parties 182 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 2: were promising to move forward. But the government ultimately was 183 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 2: voted in on a platform that suggested they would set 184 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: up an anti corruption commission. 185 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 3: Take me through what that looked like. 186 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 5: Yes, So, after Labor was elected, a bills a Parliament 187 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 5: ended up passing which ultimately led to the National Anti 188 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 5: Corruption Commission or for anyone who just needs to save 189 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 5: themselves a bit of time, they can just call it 190 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 5: the KNACK. Basically, the whole idea was to have a 191 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 5: way of investigation in corruption at some of the highest 192 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 5: levels of power. And when I say corruption, the Commission 193 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 5: has defined it as people abusing their positions of power 194 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 5: for private gain, breaking the public's trust, splashing around money 195 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 5: for deliberate political advantage. The NAC can look into politicians 196 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 5: and public servants and consultants, basically people that are making 197 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 5: these big important decisions in the most powerful offices of 198 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 5: the country. 199 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 3: Has it actually had any referrals yet, It's had a lot. 200 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 5: It's actually had so many that really soon after the 201 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 5: KNACK was set up, the Commissioner said that they had 202 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 5: forty four within two days, and within weeks they were 203 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 5: just getting flooded with hundreds of them. So, while it 204 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 5: is such an important development of this year, just based 205 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 5: on the amount of referrals that are going in to 206 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 5: the NAC, we can just safely assume that this is 207 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 5: going to be a big story for the coming years 208 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 5: and months ahead as well. 209 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: It seems like one of the things that was really 210 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 2: characteristic of this year in politics was that they didn't 211 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 2: seem to be so much of the coalition versus the 212 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: opposition when it came to legislation, but rather the government 213 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 2: negotiating with the Greens. Can you take me through some 214 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 2: of the examples of how that played out in Parliament 215 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 2: this year. 216 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 5: So we had a big piece of climate legislation pass 217 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 5: through this year. So it was an emissions reduction build 218 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 5: that brought in this thing called the safeguard mechanism. The 219 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 5: policy is pretty important. I like to think of it 220 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 5: as a button where when the moment strikes all of 221 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 5: Australia's big emitters, so in industries like mining, manufacturing, transport, 222 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 5: they have to start paying for all the emissions released 223 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 5: above what's known as a baseline. So if you're one 224 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 5: of Australia's two hundred and fifteen biggest polluters and your 225 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 5: umping out too much carbon into the atmosphere, you need 226 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 5: to start paying for all the extra carbon you're releasing, 227 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 5: specifically two hundred and seventy five dollars for every ton 228 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 5: in excess of that emission's threshold. And so that threshold 229 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 5: would just keep coming down every year. Like to think 230 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 5: of it, like a staircase. Four point nine percent a year, 231 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 5: not quite five, but four point nine percent. So that 232 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 5: will just keep coming down until twenty thirty. And the 233 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 5: idea is that the emissions from big industry will just 234 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 5: keep dropping alongside that drop as well. 235 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 2: Okay, and so because of the composition of Parliament, the 236 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: Coalition didn't support this bill, which meant that the government 237 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: needed the Greens and some crossbenches in order for it 238 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: to pass. But that didn't happen so easily, did it. 239 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, No, that didn't quite happen. There was a bit 240 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 5: of a tussle with the Greens and the Labor government 241 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 5: about this particular piece of POLO. See, the Greens wanted 242 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 5: the bill to stop approving any new coal and gas projects. 243 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 5: That's something we've heard repeatedly from the Greens this year. 244 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 5: Their bid wasn't really successful, but the government did agree 245 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 5: to some changes brought in by the Greens, which included 246 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 5: tougher missions requirements on some gas projects around Australia. 247 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 3: Okay, Harry, you're onto your final pick of the day. 248 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 3: What is it? Tell me? 249 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 5: My last and certainly not least pick is just a 250 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 5: fever dream now, So Zara, do you remember when we 251 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 5: nearly were on the cusp of an early election. 252 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: I mean I remember that, but I don't know that 253 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 2: the general public necessarily knew what was happening at the time. 254 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 5: I have to admit something here, Zara, I'd kind of 255 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 5: forgotten about this one, that we could have been going 256 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 5: to a general election this year. Deadlock over Labour's social 257 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 5: housing plan has taken a new turn tonight and it 258 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 5: could see voters forced into an early election. There was 259 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 5: this huge standoff that seemed to just drag on and 260 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 5: on and on, and basically Labor introduced these housing laws 261 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 5: called the Housing Australia Future Fund, promising to build thirty 262 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 5: thousand affordable homes in five years, which the government would 263 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 5: fund through a ten billion dollar investment scheme. So to 264 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 5: get that through Parliament, the government even needed the support 265 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 5: of the Coalition or the Greens, which you've alluded to before. 266 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 5: So the Coalition came straight out opposing the plan, said 267 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 5: it was too expensive and their contribution to this policy 268 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 5: debate kind of ended there, and the Greens were more 269 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 5: open to having the discussion, but it took a lot 270 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 5: of convincing to get them over the line. For weeks 271 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 5: and months, they firmly opposed the Housing Laws because the 272 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 5: Greens felt the laws just didn't go far enough. They 273 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 5: wanted the government to agree to bring in blanket rent 274 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 5: freezers across the country and just quickly. Rent freeze is 275 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 5: a pause on rents going up any further in the 276 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 5: context of lots of people having their rent increased. So 277 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 5: the bill initially failed to get through both houses because 278 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 5: the Greens blocked it, and this is where we started 279 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 5: getting talking about the possibility of an early election, because 280 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 5: the Prime Minister can basically say if one of the 281 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 5: government's key pieces of legislation, in this case the Housing Laws, 282 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 5: if they failed to pass the Senate multiple times, then 283 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 5: he can pull what's known as a double dissolution trigger. 284 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 5: So what a double dissolution trigger would mean is instead 285 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 5: of voting for the Lower House and half the Senate, 286 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 5: the entire Senate would be dissolved, so every single MP 287 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 5: and Senator would be up for election. It doesn't happen 288 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 5: very often. The last one we had was in twenty 289 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 5: sixteen when Malcolm Turnbull was Prime Minister, and the time 290 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 5: before that was in the eighties, so it is pretty rare. Anyway, 291 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 5: it turns out that didn't need to happen because the 292 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 5: bill will pass through Parliament with the Greens supporting it 293 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 5: after the government had agreed to spend another billion dollars 294 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 5: in twenty twenty three on housing. So now the government's 295 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 5: housing plans are underway and we don't have to go 296 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 5: to the polls this year for an election. 297 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 2: Ari, thanks for jumping on today's cod If you enjoyed 298 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 2: what you heard today, want to leave us a review, 299 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 2: can hop on Spotify. There's a little Q and a 300 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 2: section there where you can tell us what you're thinking, 301 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 2: feeling and what you want to hear more of. Thanks 302 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 2: for joining us, though, and we'll look back again in 303 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 2: your ears tomorrow morning. 304 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 3: Bye.