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Speaker 1: Good morning, Welcome to Thursday. Today is the fourth of

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Speaker 1: November and it's a good day because yesterday was a really,

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Speaker 1: really good news day, Sam.

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Speaker 2: What happened. The big story yesterday across all major news

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Speaker 2: networks in the country was the incredible news that four

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Speaker 2: year old Clear Smith was found happy and healthy in

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Speaker 2: the early hours of yesterday morning. We also learned yesterday

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Speaker 2: a thirty six year old man has been arrested by

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Speaker 2: police after the four year old was found in Carnivon,

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Speaker 2: Western Australia. Homicide Detective Superintendent Rod Wilde has revealed the

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Speaker 2: man quote is known to police.

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Speaker 1: During an address at the National Press Club yesterday, France's

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Speaker 1: ambassador to Australia said the leaking of text messages between

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister Scott Morrison and French President Emmanuel Macron is

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Speaker 1: an unprecedented new low. He also alleged that Australia's deceit

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Speaker 1: was intentional over its scrapping of a ninety billion dollar

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Speaker 1: submarine deal with France.

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Speaker 2: It's a space where looking at extremely closely. The Commonwealth

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Speaker 2: Bank is set to become the first bank in Australia

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Speaker 2: to offer customers the ability to buy, sell and hold

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Speaker 2: cryptocurrencies through its app. A pilot of the feature will

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Speaker 2: start in the next few weeks and will be available

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Speaker 2: to more customers next year. In more international news, China

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Speaker 2: is telling families to stock up on quote daily necessities

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Speaker 2: to meet the needs of daily life and emergencies. This

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Speaker 2: is all to prepare citizens for COVID nineteen lockdowns in

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Speaker 2: the prelude to winter. China has maintained a zero COVID policy,

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Speaker 2: but is currently tackling several outbreaks across the nation.

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Speaker 1: The good news today is that Michelle Wu is set

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Speaker 1: to make history as the first woman and first person

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Speaker 1: a crowd yesterday, Wu said, we are ready to meet

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Speaker 1: this moment. We are ready to become a Boston for everyone.

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Speaker 2: We have talked a lot about the Glasgow Climate Conference

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Speaker 2: on this podcast, and despite the fact that world leaders

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Speaker 2: has about nine days to run. We're joined today by

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Speaker 2: Freyer Cole, who is representing the Australian Conservation Foundation on

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Speaker 2: the ground in Glasgow. Freyer, how's it been. You must

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Speaker 2: be jet lagged. You're in Glasgow. Talk me through the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't even it's been so full on I

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Speaker 3: can hardly even describe it. And I think adding jet

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Speaker 3: lag and the COVID nineteen pandemic on top of what's

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Speaker 3: already happening on the ground here in Glasgow, it's just

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Speaker 3: a bit of a rollercoaster. And I think the first

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Speaker 3: three days at Glasgow are always going to be really

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Speaker 3: full on because it's the World Leader's Summit, so it's

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Speaker 4: So there's certainly been a huge buzz.

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Speaker 3: But it's been amazing to meet so many interesting people

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Speaker 2: So talk me through the logistics of such an enormous

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Speaker 2: global conference. Obviously, we know that with the World leaders

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Speaker 2: there there's a lot more people than now when they've left.

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Speaker 2: But what does Glasgow actually look like?

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Speaker 3: So Glasgow in November is pretty gray, rainy and cold,

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Speaker 3: so we'll start off with that, because I know it's

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Speaker 4: So there's a few things logistics wise.

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Speaker 3: People may have seen the huge cues to get into

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Speaker 3: So it involves doing a lateral flow COVID test in

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Speaker 3: I can kind of describe as a music festival, but

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Speaker 4: It's definitely blowing my mind.

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Speaker 2: Is there an air of hope around the summit or fear? Like?

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Speaker 2: What's the emotional sense there?

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Speaker 3: So I would say maybe touch base with me at

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Speaker 3: know is a huge gas company, a dirty polluting fossil

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Speaker 3: it costs multi billions of dollars of taxpayer money to

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Speaker 3: hopeful after hearing that type of presentation as somebody who

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Speaker 4: Let's go back to primary school.

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Speaker 3: We know trees breathe in carbon and store it. So

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Speaker 3: good for biodiversity. So I'm not feeling hopeful after Scott

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Speaker 4: So yeah, let's touch base at the end of the conference.

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Speaker 2: And so, did you see the global reaction to Australia's

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Speaker 2: matter of domestic politics that we obviously care a lot

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Speaker 2: about because it's our nation. But was Australia high on

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Speaker 4: So it's a bit hard to kind of take it.

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Speaker 3: I was Live Street while watching that announcement from Scott

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Speaker 4: We believe that it was a.

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Speaker 3: Very lackluster response from within that World Leader's room after

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Speaker 3: Scott Morrison's speech. As for how other countries are thinking,

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Speaker 3: let's look at the US now. The US yesterday announced

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Speaker 2: And so what's today looking like for you? What you know,

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Speaker 3: So on the agenda today is to try to I'm

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Speaker 3: in terms of on the actual agenda the negotiators, we'll

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Speaker 3: be talking about Article six. Please don't ask me to

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Speaker 4: But that's from here on in.

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Speaker 3: Now that the world leaders have left, it starts to

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Speaker 2: I know we're only in the first week of the

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Speaker 2: Glasgow Climate Conference, but I think a lot of our

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Speaker 2: listeners get this sense that there's a whole other talk

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Speaker 2: why do you think it's so powerful to have everybody there?

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, this is a bit of a tricky one,

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Speaker 3: because Sam, I agree with your listeners that there is

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Speaker 3: holy moly, there are so many people here running around talking,

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Speaker 3: but what's actually being done now.

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Speaker 4: It is important we need.

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Speaker 3: This is a global problem, so of course we need

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Speaker 3: is incredibly important. But what I want to say in

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Speaker 4: So groups like the.

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Speaker 3: Australian Conservation Foundation, once this two weeks is done and dusted,

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Speaker 3: we're not going to stop.

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Speaker 4: We're always on the ground.

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Speaker 3: Doing things, so we are hoping this global conference will

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Speaker 3: one point five degrees, but we won't stop actually doing.

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Speaker 3: So I want to really try and give people some

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Speaker 3: hope that yeah, this is important, but even though once

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Speaker 2: And from my perspective, I think the true power of

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Speaker 2: the Glasgow Climate Conference is actually not in Glasgow, but

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Speaker 2: it's the fact that climate is so high on the

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Speaker 2: this week. And I've noticed even in our own domestic

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Speaker 2: aren't necessarily about what's happening on the ground there. Even

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Speaker 2: the fact that we're having conversations about Santos as a sponsor.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that story is going crazy here at home.

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Speaker 2: You know the fact that they were sponsoring a stand

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Speaker 2: the changing dialogue around climate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean there is a little bit of

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Speaker 3: uncertainty over whether Santos paige for that spot, just to

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Speaker 4: Just one thing on that.

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Speaker 3: You know, there was no input from environment groups and

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Speaker 4: We're a democracy.

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Speaker 3: We need all sorts of voices at that pavilion, a

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Speaker 4: And if you get me.

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Speaker 3: Going on this subject, there are a lot of men

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Speaker 4: So we're not going to.

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Speaker 3: Get climate We're not going to get climate action until

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Speaker 2: Fray Cole from the Australian Conservation Fund, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for being our eyes and ears on the ground

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Speaker 2: in Glasgow. Stay warm and good luck in the lines

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Speaker 2: and we'll check in with you in about a week.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Sam, looking forward to it.