1 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to the Happy Families Podcast. What is it 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: with some kids? They're just so confident that it can 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: rub us up the wrong way. They're not necessarily sensitive 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: to what's going on for other people. They're a little 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: bit rude, arrogant, annoying, They kind of maybe even embarrass 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: us a little bit. Is it them or is it us? Today? 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: A tricky question about how we develop character in our 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: kids when they're a little bit extra, a little bit 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: too much. Stay with us. Hello, Welcome to the Happy 10 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: Families Podcast. Real parenting solutions every single day on Australia's 11 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: most downloaded parenting and podcasts. We are Justin and Kylie Colson, 12 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: and we appreciate so much you're listening. Thank you for 13 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: taking time out of your day to listen to the 14 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: pod and hopefully pick up on something that might just 15 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: make your family happier. Every Tuesday on the Happy Families Podcast, 16 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: your tricky questions about family in relationships and wellbeing and 17 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: discipline and anything else that you can think of. You 18 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: can literally ask us anything if you would like to 19 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: submit a tricky question, got a super simple system at 20 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: Happy families dot com dot I. You scroll down to podcasts, 21 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: click the record button, start talking. It's really that simple. Alternatively, 22 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: you can just open up your phone, create a voice 23 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: note and send that through to podcasts at happy families 24 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: dot com dot au. Here is today's tricky question. 25 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 2: Hi, my name's Joanna from Melbourne. I'm looking for some 26 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: help for my twelve year old daughter. She's the most delightful, 27 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 2: kind and thoughtful girl and he's super confident in most 28 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 2: things in life and I love it because she's willing 29 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 2: to always give things a go. However, her confidence can 30 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: be a little of an issue at times, as it 31 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: comes across as if she's showing off a bit and bragging. 32 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: I don't think she even realizes she is doing this herself, 33 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 2: and it's not done in a nasty, snipy way. It 34 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: really is just done in a way to get attention. 35 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: I'm looking for ways to be able to help her 36 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: with this and teach her to be humble and stop 37 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 2: showing off because I'm worried it's going to start creating 38 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 2: issues with friends, but I also don't want to squash 39 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 2: her pride and confidence at the same time. 40 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: Thanks for any help, so Kylie, I feel like Johanna 41 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: has come to the right person for the right people. 42 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: We've had a running gage. 43 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 3: Don't put me in this. 44 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: We've had a running gag in our home for approximately 45 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: thirty years that I'm the humblest person that I know. 46 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 3: Like I said, this is all you now. 47 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: It's a joke, I know, but I want to give 48 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: people humble competitions. I'm so humble, I reckon, I could 49 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: beat you in a humble I'm proud of my human ldy. 50 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: That's how humble I am. On the serious side, though, 51 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: what I love about this message, Kylie, this voice note 52 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: from Joanna is just how highly she speaks of her daughter. 53 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: Like you can hear, there's this beautiful ability to assume 54 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: the best of intentions with her, this ability to see 55 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: what a great kid she is. And I absolutely love that. 56 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: All right, so let's talk about this. Something that both 57 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: of us touched on when we were reflecting on where 58 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: this conversation could go was our experience with our own daughters. 59 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: We have six of them, All of them except for 60 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: our youngest, have now reached the age of Joanna's. 61 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 3: If she's got confidence, we want to do everything we 62 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 3: possibly can to completely and utterly bubble. 63 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: Wrap that coy Yeah bottle, Oh my gosh, get her 64 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: to drink a big scoop of it every morning and 65 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: every night. 66 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 3: Because inevitably, what we've experienced with each of our six 67 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 3: girls as at some point someone something absolutely annihilates it. 68 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and when that bubble burst. 69 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 3: Devastation of watching that bubble burst is so heartbreaking for everybody. 70 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: The most popular presentation that I deliver in schools but 71 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: I'm talking to teenage girls, is a presentation called enough, 72 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: asking this question, am I enough? Because I don't know. 73 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: Something happens between ten and fourteen where girls suddenly lose confidence. 74 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: I'm certain that social media has a lot to do 75 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: with it, but it was happening even before Facebook was 76 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: on the scene. There is a decrease in confidence. There 77 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: is a decrease. Unfortunately now it's not across the board. 78 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: Some girls are immune to it, but there is a general, 79 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: on average drop in that feeling of confidence, that willingness 80 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: to share. So my first impulse is to say, just 81 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: enjoy it. I know it's annoying, I know it can 82 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: be embarrassing. Usually it's about us more than about them. 83 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: And I also get the worry that Joanna is highlighting 84 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: like my daughter, if she keeps on doing this. It 85 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: could look like she's rubbing it in people's faces. It 86 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: could look like she's insensitive because she doesn't understand the 87 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: struggle that other people are having, because she's just aced 88 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: this test or done really well with this performance or whatever. 89 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: It is definitely worth highlighting. At this age, a lot 90 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: of kids are kind of clumsy developmentally. We should not 91 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: be expecting that they're going to have a sophisticated social awareness. 92 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: I don't think it's fair that we expect, though, that 93 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: our twelve year olds have the same level of self 94 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: awareness and the same level of humility and the ability 95 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: to restrain their emotions and their excitement about things to 96 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: the same level that maybe a twenty or a thirty 97 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: or a forty year old might so. Developmentally, I would 98 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: say that this is normal, but also really generally positive. 99 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,239 Speaker 1: I don't want it to sound like I'm dismissing your concerns, Joanna, 100 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: because I get the worry around it, But at a 101 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: general level, I think this is more of a good 102 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: problem to have than a bad problem to have. 103 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 3: I would agree with you, but I think that there's 104 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 3: a few things that we could do to counter the 105 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 3: challenges that she can see coming she's watching this train 106 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 3: rack about to happen, right, so she can see what 107 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 3: could happen. And so I think that there's definitely some 108 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 3: things we could talk about after the break to help 109 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 3: navigate this situation. 110 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: Confidence is precious. We don't want to dampen it. Too 111 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: Many girls lose their confidence. Adolescence has a way of 112 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: extinguishing that flame of confidence and delight. But we do 113 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: want to help Joanna to help her daughter be a 114 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: little bit more mature in the way that she expresses 115 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: her enthusiasm and confidence, because sometimes it looks like it 116 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: could tread on toes, it could become a little bit 117 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: prickly for her, and we'd like her to have and 118 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: maintain positive relationships. Kylie, I've got a couple of ideas. 119 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: You've got a couple as well. Let's hear from you first. 120 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 3: So one of the things that I think is really 121 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 3: important is helping our children to be people builders. When 122 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 3: we give our children opportunities to celebrate other people's successes 123 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 3: and achievements, that goes a long way to helping to 124 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 3: kind of just curb that sense of bragging that comes 125 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 3: as as a result of their sharing. We can be 126 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 3: really excited about something that we've achieved, and it's not 127 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 3: necessarily a brag. But if that's all we talk about 128 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 3: and we don't see other people's achievements, then that's when 129 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 3: it kind of rubs people up the wrong way. Yeah. 130 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: I love that as an extension, maybe a slight step away, 131 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: but along the same line teaching kids to be interested 132 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: rather than interesting. Right when I'm telling everybody what I did, 133 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: Look at what I did. Look how good I am. 134 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: Let's wave my little flag around. We're trying to be interesting. 135 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: But when we can show some curiosity and some interest 136 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: in what other people are doing, that makes them feel 137 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: so good, and it makes us look a lot more humble, 138 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: a lot less prideful. Being interested in others is a 139 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: big win. 140 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 3: A little while ago, our homeschool daughter Emily was attending 141 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 3: some acrobatic classes and she learned how to do lots 142 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 3: of handstands and cartwheels and things. And she was part 143 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: of this homeschool group and we were just down at 144 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 3: the beach having a gathering together, and the girls all 145 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,239 Speaker 3: decided to do cart wells. Now, there were a number 146 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 3: of girls in that group who could not do a 147 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 3: handstand or a cart will to save themselves, and yet 148 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 3: the girls who could do it, they rallied around these 149 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 3: kids and cheered them on and gave them tips and 150 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 3: worked with them to help them achieve the outcome. And 151 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 3: what I loved about it was there was this level 152 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 3: of confidence and the girls that knew what they were doing, 153 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 3: but they didn't actually have to say anything because they 154 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 3: were there to help the other people in the space, 155 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 3: and it just it was such a beautiful moment to watch. 156 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like that. You said you've got a 157 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: couple of ideas, what's your next one? 158 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 3: So my other idea is just sometimes we want to 159 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 3: step in and teach our kids things before they're ready, 160 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 3: and we're so worried about the train wreck that's about 161 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 3: to happen, we jump in, and in our attempts to 162 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 3: stop the train work, we actually create the train wreck 163 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 3: in that we squash that confidence that we so did 164 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: desperately want to keep intact. And so I think it's 165 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 3: just really important as a parent to look for teachable moments. 166 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 3: If you are watching an experience you know happen and 167 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 3: take place, and you can read the body language of 168 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 3: another girl, maybe later when you're tucking her into bed 169 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 3: or you're having, you know, kind of ice cream down 170 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 3: at the park. You might bring up the experience that 171 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 3: they had together and ask her if she could, you know, 172 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 3: if she noticed anything about the way her friend responded, 173 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 3: or what she experiences when this happens, or you know, 174 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 3: just opportunities to kind of help broaden her vision of 175 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 3: what's actually happening, because because when we're excited about something, 176 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 3: we kind of miss everything right because it's all about me, 177 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 3: and the opportunity that we can have to encourage them 178 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 3: to look outside themselves and see what's going on around them. 179 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: It's those teachable moments that actually really help. 180 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: So if I was again to build on that, my 181 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: feeling is that there's only so much that you can 182 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: protect your kids from, and and chances are she's going 183 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: to say something insensitive, She is going to offend some 184 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: upset somebody, tread on somebody's toes. My sense is that 185 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: generally friends will teach your daughter more than you will 186 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: teach your daughter. And as a parent, your job is 187 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: not to keep on trying to fix her. Your job 188 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: as a parent is absolute unconditionality. You can always say hey, 189 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: I noticed something, and I wouldn't mind having a chat 190 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: with you about it to see how you feel about 191 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: it or if you've observed it. But my sense is 192 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: that if you can give her that absolute unconditionality, the 193 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: friends will teach her and then when things go south, 194 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: which they no doubt will at some point, you can 195 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: be the soft space and say, well, what do we 196 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: learn from this? You don't have to teach the lessons. 197 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: You can help her to have her own discoveries and 198 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: she'll learn so much more as a result, because pain 199 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: can be a pretty good teacher. We grow through pain. 200 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: There's another idea that popped into my head as well, 201 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: and that is this, if you do feel like you 202 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: need to frame a conversation around this issue because it 203 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: is coming up a lot, and you're seeing the signals 204 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: and it's not just your embarrassment, like the signals are 205 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: really there, it's useful to frame this around being a 206 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 1: good friend and being inclusive. That that really piggybacks on 207 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: your cart will story rather than showing off, what can 208 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: we do to say, well, I have a level of 209 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: confidence here and I'd love to build your confidence as well. 210 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: There's really something in that Ultimately, raising kids is tricky, 211 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: and our children have got to learn how to become 212 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: socially aware and socially sophisticated and socially mature. And the 213 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: best way to do that, unfortunately, is by experience. Experience. Yeah, 214 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: and sometimes those experience as a positive, sometimes not so much. 215 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: If you can be there for her unconditionally, Joanna, I 216 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: think she's going to do great. And based on the 217 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: way that you spoke about her and the way that 218 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: you introduced this question, I think you're doing a great job. 219 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: I wish I wish that when I was a kid 220 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: that I had a mum who spoke about me the 221 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: way that you speak about her. It's really really special. 222 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: All right, we need to wrap it up there. Another 223 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: question next week. 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