WEBVTT - A guide to visualising success with Sabrina Frederick 🏆 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:06.120 If you close your eyes and visualize what you want 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:08.880 your life to look like, what does it look like 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.600 once you've achieved your highest goals. Maybe you're pioneering women's 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:16.520 sport or perhaps center boxing match with Nick cumm as 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:19.239 the Honey Badger o case. So maybe they're not your goals, 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:22.239 but there is someone who has achieved all of this 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:26.680 after mastering the art of visualization. She joins us next 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:31.960 to help you not only visualize your goals, but achieve them. 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:35.720 And after that we're tackling temptations. 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:38.320 I'm in a situation where I'm trying to make healthy 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:41.000 eating choices. However, I live in a household with the 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.720 family member that is John food addict and one who 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:46.440 just loves to beat a variety of goodies every day. 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:49.000 How do I go about living in an environment with 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:50.159 so many time patients. 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:52.640 I'll get to that question just a little later on 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:55.800 the show. I'm Sam Wood. This is the Wood Life, 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:59.840 real people, real questions, real life. Now it's time to 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:01.520 get in to visualization. 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:19.640 Now. 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:22.640 Usually when I have a guest in the studio, I 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:25.520 know exactly what we're going to talk about. But my 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:29.160 next guest, we could honestly have an enthralling conversation about 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:31.319 a number of topics. I want to ask this person 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:35.400 about being a role model to so many young girls 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:41.600 and AFLW superstar sas Superstar Now podcast host Welcome to 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:43.560 the wood Life, Sabrina Frederick. How are you? 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:45.520 I'm very well And what an intro? 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:46.360 What an intro? 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:47.039 That's true? 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:50.160 I mean even you know, I'm not a huge guy 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:51.520 for prep. I'll be really honest with. 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.160 Has been hours and hours prepping at Joe. 0:01:56.280 --> 0:02:00.320 But I mean that you've done so much and to 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:02.360 be honest, it really feels like you're just getting started. 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:06.360 I mean, at the peak of your AFLW career, absolute 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:10.360 superstar of the game, such a recognizable figure. And you know, 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:13.360 I'm a father of soon to be four daughters. And 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:16.160 something we have in common is your wife is pregnant 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:16.560 as well. 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:18.920 Yes, there's a lot of this, a lot going on 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:21.280 in my world at the moment. Wouldn't I wouldn't change it. 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:24.480 And I think that all those things they encompass who 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:26.640 you are, and they challenge you, and they push you 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:28.720 in a direction where you probably never would have thought 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:31.920 you would have ended up. And even just the few 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:34.639 things you've said there, you know, ten years ago, I 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.880 would have said, who knows where I would have been 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.560 so be able to reflect like that and see what 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:41.520 I've been able to manage to do. And I'm so 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:44.320 excited for the future and to become a parent, something 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:46.760 I've always wanted to do. And they say that being 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:50.119 a parent it changes you. So I really can't wait 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:54.240 for that next chapter of life. And I can't complain. 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:56.880 It's been a few crazy years, but I've learned so much. 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:00.680 You're obviously a big mindset person, and I also know 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:03.440 you're a big visualization person, and I wanted to just 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.160 go there for a little minute because you're a big, 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.400 big believer in it. Can you talk us through a 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:12.880 little bit what you do from a visualization perspective, first 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.519 of all, from an AFLW standpoint, and then I'd love 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:19.120 to know does it transition into other areas of your life. 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:21.320 There's a two prong question for you. 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:23.880 Yeah, I mean it is a big one. I think 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:26.240 more and more people are getting into it and realizing 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:30.119 the power of it. I think visualization for me personally, 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:34.920 is more about seeing yourself somewhere, which then instills belief 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:38.720 that you can actually be in that environment. I don't 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:42.800 necessarily think that it's painting an exact picture of what 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:45.600 you want to happen, because things change all the time. 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:50.200 For me, it's more about what am I feeling, what 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.600 am I doing when I'm my best. So in terms 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:57.440 of a football game, it's being around my teammates and 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:01.680 if I can envision getting around them and goals being 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:03.800 scored and me being in the middle of it and 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.840 them being around me. It's that feeling that I get 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:11.400 from the sport that I visualize and the passages of 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:13.800 play that sort of get me there. I think sometimes 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:18.719 people mistake visualization for playing out a game in your 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:22.880 head a thousand times over in different scenarios. That's completely different, 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.960 and to be honest, that would probably really exhaust me. 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.760 Pay out a game a thousand times before I've even 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.360 played it. It's more just visualizing those moments. I guess 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:35.640 going back to you why of why you do things 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.480 is for me, the reason why I play football is 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:40.640 the love of the sport, but also the connection to 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:43.680 my teammates. So me playing at my best is me 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:46.120 in those environments, and when I go out onto the 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:49.640 ground before games, I really do try and envision myself 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:52.960 in certain parts of the ground in those moments, and 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:57.120 then it's crazy when it unfolds in some circumstances and 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:00.400 you just think, wow, Like a couple hours ag I 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:03.920 was really thinking that, and that really unfolded and instills 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:07.000 that belief that it's in you to get to that point. 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:10.680 In terms of translating that out of football into the 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.520 rest of my life, I'm a huge believer in visualizing 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.000 what you want for your life. I think that football 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:18.159 is just a part of me. It doesn't define me. 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.960 It's just something that I do and it makes me 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:24.039 a better person. But even coming back to, you know, 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:28.760 being a parent. More recently, I've been visualizing my first 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:32.520 moments with her when she's born, or my first moments 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.800 of when she can run around? What am I going 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:37.800 to be doing? Am I gonna be out there and 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:41.240 full of energy and sort of living out those moments 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:43.920 as well? So I think it can. It definitely can 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.240 translate into different parts of your life. And I know 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:50.560 a lot of people are sort of like, is this magical. 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:55.080 Oh yes, spooky, spiritual, whatever you want to call it. 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:58.360 But I think it's more just that stuff that makes 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:00.000 you feel good. Why would you not want to feel 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:02.719 that before it's happened. So I think it's more just 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.320 living out those moments that make you feel good, instilling 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:08.599 belief that you can achieve those things, and then you know, 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:09.799 if it happens, it happens. 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:11.160 But for me, it's worked. 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:15.680 So it's similar to what is happening to the contemporary 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.640 version of meditation, Like people who have now worked out 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:20.920 you can meditate in a myriad of ways. You've got 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:23.240 to find the right form of meditation to you. And 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:27.120 you know, you see visualization and it absolutely works, but 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:29.960 it'd be different for every person. Yeah, everyone has their 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.360 own interpretation of it and it has to feel right. 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:36.080 If you're cynical about it or you're skeptical about it, 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:37.280 it's never going to break through. 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:40.760 Well no, because then it becomes it's becoming a force thing, 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:43.760 and you never want it to be forced, especially visualization, 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:49.440 because that whole process is filled with emotion and I 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:54.480 guess passion and that feeling of what success means for you, 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:56.760 And I think if it becomes a chore, then you're 0:06:56.760 --> 0:07:00.360 almost doing the complete opposite of what that feeling trying 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.320 to achieve. So, yeah, like you said, is it is 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:05.880 basically a form of meditation because you're taking time away 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:09.680 from reality and giving time to yourself. And I think 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.560 every single person has a right to mess with it 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:15.280 and sort of figure out what is the best for them, 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:17.920 because in the end the day, that's the person that 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:20.520 you want it to work for. So no everyone can 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:25.960 sit cross legged for twenty minutes and meditate, no noise 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:26.440 or whatever. 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:28.160 You know, I don't even think I could do that. 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:31.720 I think for me, I've tried different practices and over time, 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.720 and trying is the big key thing here is you 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.560 don't know until you try. So even for you, like 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:40.760 you said, you've never really gotten into visualization, but. 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.440 You know what I have, I just haven't realized it 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:47.720 hasn't been a conscious practice. Yeah it's been. I do 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:49.640 it with business, and I do it with family, yeah, 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:53.480 and perhaps not. You know, we don't have a game everything. 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:55.920 It's your life. 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:58.480 I don't have a game with my family, Yeah, game 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:03.480 every weekend. Perhaps don't do it on those sides like that. 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:07.040 When you do it for footy, is it the same 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.160 amount of time? Is it? Do you have a particular 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.120 like do you have to give yourself in a particular state? 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:12.520 Do you do it just pregame? Do you do it 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:13.160 the night before? 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:17.080 In terms of pregame, I do do it normally when 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.040 I walk out onto the ground because we will get 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.240 there a couple of hours before the game. So my 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:23.560 initial period of walking out into a ground, I will 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.080 always have a moment to myself. So I do that 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.760 every single game. But then it's sort of free flowing. 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.280 Like the night before. There's sometimes where I really can't 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:34.840 sleep or whatever, and I'll just tap into that. I'll 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:38.480 just sit there, eyes closed and just visualize something. Or 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:40.560 you know, there might just be something that triggers you, 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.080 and like I might be watching a game and a 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.080 moment might happen and I'm thinking, I just want. 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:46.720 To another game. 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:55.400 Yeah no, no, no, that was last week. I'll be 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:57.760 watching a game and I will see something happen in 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.760 the game and I'll think, like it's triggered me in 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.200 the feeling of playing, and I just think, I just 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:04.959 want to harness that for a moment. I just want 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.319 to take that moment how I'm feeling watching that and 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.560 translate that into how I'm playing. To be honest, if 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:13.280 I'd turn up to a game and I didn't feel 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.440 like doing it, I wouldn't do it like coming back 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:18.680 to that chore thing. I'd never want it to feel 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:21.520 like I have to do something to achieve something, because 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:23.280 for me, that's the whole point. 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:25.480 Yeah, I love that. I mean, the WOODLOFE would like 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.120 to sort of bring things back to how can we 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.240 help every day people that perhaps not playing sport at 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:32.320 the rest delete level. And I think from a weight 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.040 loss perspective, you know, so many people that I work with, 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.280 I can't even remember the last time they're in good 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:42.160 shape because perhaps been on this weight loss roller coaster 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:46.000 for two or three decades, and every time they lose 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:47.719 a little bit of self belief and it gets a 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:51.240 little bit tougher, a little bit tougher, and it would 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:55.080 be very hard for them to even picture what a 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.480 healthier or fit or lean or whatever it might be 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.160 versus themself might be. So I think visualization could be 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:05.000 a really powerful tool for them to sort of say, 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.840 this is the happiness that it brings, or a feeling 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:11.040 of satisfaction and pride that it brings when I achieve 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:14.679 certain goals. This is how it feels when I feel good, 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:16.440 And you know, I've got a bit of spring in 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:19.120 my step and a bit of body, confidence back and 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:21.040 all that kind of stuff. So I think that could 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.199 be really like you say, just try it. 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.600 What you said there is massive that feeling of living 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.480 the healthy life style. I think that when you're on 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:32.600 that weight loss journey, and some people might not remember 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.680 what they were like at the fittest or whatever they 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:38.560 may be, it's sort of visualizing why you're doing it. 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.400 You know, say it's because you want to be more 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:45.960 active with your kids, right, visualizing you being outside with 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:49.080 the kids in that moment, what that weight loss is 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:50.680 going to bring to your life. 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:52.640 That's where the visualization comes in. 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.199 Because if you have moments where you're having a bad 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:57.640 day or you can't be bother getting out of bed, 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:00.480 that is a prime example where you think about and 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:04.040 you fast forward to why you're actually on this process 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:06.880 and feel it, feel the emotion of how amazing that 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:10.200 scenario would be running around with your kids, like that's 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:11.200 the driving force. 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:12.840 So that's just one example. 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.760 We're on the same page. Find you why, and then 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.760 if you can visualize what that why brings to the 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.520 forefront of your mind, so that every time you're having 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.000 you know you've got that fork in the road moment. 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:26.000 Can I be bothered doing this work. I do it 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:27.520 to sit on the couch, or do I eat that 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:31.280 or do I eat this? You find it, it's there. 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:33.480 You can feel like you can reach out and touch 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:37.520 it when you need it the most. You also meditate, Yes, 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.960 I'd love to hear how an elite athlete like you 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.280 us as meditation to use it for relaxation. Do you 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.079 use it for as part of your visualization? Do you 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:48.200 use it for recovery? 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.480 In terms of the sports specific side, there are so 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:55.400 many times as an athlete where coming back to playing 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:57.440 out a game a thousand times in your head, you 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.400 do get that before games, You'll be lying in bed 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:02.760 when you have a big game the next day and 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:06.440 you just can't sleep because you are replaying moment after 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:08.320 moment what I'm going to do here and here and 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.560 in that instance when I just want to quiet my 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.800 mind and try and get some sleep, I use meditation 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:18.320 a lot because when my brain is just going crazy, 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:21.240 I just need a moment to just silence everything, calm 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:24.079 down and relax. So that's one instance where I use 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:26.600 it a lot if I can't get to sleep before 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.520 a game, and it almost always works. In terms of 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.720 everyday life. I used to do it every single day, 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:35.800 but I realized like I was really doing it as 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.320 like a chore thing. And now for me, it's a 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:40.200 couple of times a week when I feel like I 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:42.840 just have to have some me time, and that's worked 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:45.760 way better for me personally. But I also have friends 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:47.559 that do do it every single day and that works 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:49.880 for them too. So it's coming back to what is 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:53.000 the best fit for you. But it's just time where 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:58.319 your mind's not going crazy, because unless you're sleeping, your 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:02.000 mind's always working, you know what I mean. So meditations 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:05.239 are only time where you can really focus on quieting 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:08.120 your mind, just giving it a break. And it's crazy 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.920 what a couple of minutes can actually do to freshen 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:11.319 you up. 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:13.839 Love it all right, So let's change tact a little bit. 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:17.720 You know, pioneer in a very fast growing sport, but 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:19.559 it's got a long way to go before it gets 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:22.960 to anywhere near the profile of the male AFL game 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:26.920 is what is your thoughts on how far it's come 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.480 in the short time that's been around. Where do you 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:33.120 hope that it gets to? What part of that do 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:36.040 you want to play and what do you say to 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:39.360 those people out there that say, perhaps AFLW doesn't it. 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.080 I mean, I'm not one of those people, by the way, 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:44.800 but I'm sure, sure, I'm sure, I'm sure you do 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:45.240 still here? 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:48.840 Yeah, yeah, all the time. And in terms of the game, 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:50.120 seven years. 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:54.480 Ago, I never thought that I would be playing elite football, 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.880 you know, as a woman. And here we are six 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:03.640 years later and the game has grown ridiculously. And the 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:06.520 reason why I'm so proud is because we've done that 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.840 off the back of not much resourcing. And I know 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:11.840 a lot of people will say the AFL put a 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.640 lot of money in, which they did, but in terms 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.840 of getting the amount of clubs off the ground and 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:21.640 players playing at this elite level, we managed to do 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:26.680 that with in my eyes, not much, which is amazing 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.760 to think because I can't wait to see what the 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:32.600 future brings, knowing that the backing is going. 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:34.040 To get more and more and more. 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:38.320 When I started playing, when I was really, really young, 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:41.000 I was the only girl in my football team, the 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:45.680 only girl in my football club, the whole club. To 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:50.080 now there's kids playing, there's a whole pathway from Ozki 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:54.520 all the way through. Now that is community changing, and 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.880 to know that it's managed to grow in the space 0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:00.240 of six years, Like six years isn't that long. We're 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.640 competing at such a level that I'm proud to say, 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:05.880 you know, there are people that come down to the 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:09.120 games and they're just in awe and seeing young girls 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:11.640 on the sideline and knowing that that's in their future 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:16.800 is so amazing, and now also going to be a 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:20.120 mum soon, knowing that that's going to be an option 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.400 of her if she wants to go down that path. 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.400 I'm so proud to be a part. 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.600 Of that because it comes with the ups and downs 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.840 of being the first and a lot of growing pains, 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:34.040 and a lot of people thinking that we don't deserve 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:38.440 to play, which I find is crazy because if any sport, 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:42.760 this is Australia's code, And how can you have Australia's 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:46.400 code with only fifty percent of the population playing it. 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.600 I just find that insane. I've always felt that crazy 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.000 because I wasn't born here. I was born in the UK, 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.360 and over there I played soccer and women have always 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:58.360 been able to play. And moving over to this country 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.440 where it's Australia's code, but then fifty percent of the 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:04.760 population is it represented. Was always the craziest thing. 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.520 So what do you think the biggest mental hurdle for 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:09.520 people to get their head around is? Do you think 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:13.640 it's people don't like change and it's never been that way, 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:16.080 so it's just too hard for them to get their 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:16.960 head around and accepted. 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:17.400 Do you think. 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:21.840 Yeah, Honestly, even though people have opinions that irk me. 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:24.520 I think everyone has the right to have their opinion. 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:28.360 But my issue is when I question those and I say, 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.600 but why do you feel that way? A lot of 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:34.440 those people actually don't have answers, and that comes back 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.880 to just they don't like change. I think at the start, 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:39.640 when I first got into the league, I was so 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:44.160 interested in just changing everyone's minds and no, we deserve 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.360 to be here and plant the flag in the ground. 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:49.560 And I realized, like, there's no point putting the energy 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.800 into those people because they're on their own journey. I'd 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:57.000 rather put energy into the people that need to be inspired. 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.440 That are you know, the young girls or even the 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.360 young boys that are coming through and they're already a 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:04.720 part of this community that they respect it and they 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.400 understand it. That's where the energy needs to be put in. 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.879 So in the end of the day, there's always going 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.479 to be one person. You know this twenty fast forward 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:16.040 twenty years from now, you know, professional Women's League, There'll 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.320 still be some people that don't believe we be there. 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:23.160 So but what I hope is in the next few 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:26.560 years is it'll be full time and all those girls 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.600 will have the opportunity to solely focus on the sport 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.800 because once that transition is made. 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:37.040 I mean from a pay perspective, a part time job pay. Yeah, 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:40.280 And I don't know what the average AFLWAH is. It's 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:45.000 forty dollars or something, it's four is that right? 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.600 I think the average is probably around about twelve thousand 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:55.040 dollars probably, Yeah, that much for you know, a six 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:59.040 months commitment. Well, this is the thing. It's six months commitment, 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:00.080 but it's not. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.840 But the season is about to go to double the games. 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:03.560 Yeah yeah. 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.320 And you know, once you're an athlete, you're an athlete, 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:08.400 So it's not like it's you can an. 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:12.000 On and off. 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:18.600 Some of my teammates are paramedics, doctors, teachers, like laborers, 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:20.960 and they're still managing to do that, and do that 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:23.199 at a high level. Might add and then come to 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:25.840 training after all of that and execute what they're doing, 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:29.360 so it's only going to get better and the more 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:34.000 support we get, and that includes viewerships, people actually coming 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:36.560 to the games, people watching the games. All those things 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:41.080 add to us fast tracking that and hopefully that will 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:42.399 happen in a few more years. 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:44.520 When I hear you talk, you know what I love, 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:48.600 you never say I it's we, And you're not just 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:53.320 talking about your team. You're talking about your sport now 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.520 and your future sport. You did say you didn't want 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:58.439 to just bang the flag in the ground, but you 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:02.840 clearly take so much pride. I mean, you won't respectfully 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:07.119 you get the financial rewards that you deserve because you 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:10.720 probably won't be being paid enough by the time you retire. Yeah, 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.600 and not to retire to it, but even if you're. 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:16.400 Tiring six or seven years. 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.919 I mean, there will be the next generation of AFLW 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:21.480 stars running around getting paid half a million dollars a 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:23.200 year and you'll be an integral part of that, and 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:24.600 that's something to be super proud of. 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:25.159 Thanks. 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:28.920 Honestly that it means a lot. I think that sometimes. 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:30.840 I mean I can't speak on behalf of all the 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.520 players because some might feel different, but for me personally, 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:37.160 I fell in love with this game for the sport, 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:41.399 and still to this day, I play for the sport itself. 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:42.520 And it's much bigger than me. 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:46.439 And every time I go out there, as much as 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:49.240 I am, I'm very competitive and I want to win 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:51.720 and all that. I always in the back of my mind, 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:55.000 I know that, like you said, there's going to be 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:57.479 so much that comes after me, and I have to 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:00.200 I have to have that in my mind because it's 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:04.120 a responsibility. It is a responsibility because there's so many 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:08.159 people watching, and so many people are critiquing every moment, 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:11.320 every single there's someone waiting for us to fail, and 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:14.240 they're waiting to cut our legs off. So it is 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:16.440 really really important to me that we put the work 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.119