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Speaker 1: Podcast nine Our Voices, Quick heads Up.

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Speaker 2: This podcast can sometimes get a bit rough on Bros

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Speaker 3: Ye in true man, it's still going Ah.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen to another episode of Bros

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Speaker 3: We are back here today.

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Speaker 4: I'm your hostess Ronnie also known as RD and of

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Speaker 4: course we've got the main hostess, Malik, and we got

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Speaker 4: something special coming for you guys today. We got a

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Speaker 4: special guest. His name is Frannie also known as Frannie Local.

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Speaker 4: Most of you might know him from his name, from

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Speaker 4: his status and from his upbringing. Oh see, one of

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Speaker 4: the biggest gangs ever known in Australia or in prison.

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Speaker 5: Let us know where you're from, ethnicity, area, everything.

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Speaker 6: My name is Francis Loto. I'm thirty three. I was

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Speaker 6: about to say twenty three. I'm thirty three years old,

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Speaker 6: turning thirty four in December. I'm from Andrew, grew up

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Speaker 6: in Monroit. Was born in a hospital cordin Opian which

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Speaker 6: is Penrif.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's full fresh that hospital and there it's

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Speaker 1: really nice, better than Black Chad.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah, someone in Australian. So I was born

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Speaker 6: in Australia, but you know my background is Simon and yeah,

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Speaker 6: it's basically it.

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Speaker 1: We raised up you. You spent most of your life

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Speaker 1: in Australia, a Hea, I was born and raised to you.

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Speaker 3: So well.

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Speaker 6: I've been back to some more once when I was

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Speaker 6: around six years old, and that was. That was about it, man.

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Speaker 5: We got a lot of interesting stories to walk is for.

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Speaker 5: Our first segment is early life and gang involvement. A

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Speaker 5: lot of you guys would have seen Franny and the media.

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Speaker 1: Every now and then he's he's spoken about his past.

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Speaker 5: This is a very important podcast for me and Ron

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Speaker 5: God because we want to get into depth of where

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Speaker 5: he was actually going through in prison. So the first

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Speaker 5: question I wanted to ask you was what led you

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Speaker 5: to join a gang? And what was like the life

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Speaker 5: like for you.

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Speaker 6: We're out in the streets. I came up growing up

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Speaker 6: in Moundrew. It was really, it was good.

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Speaker 1: It was really.

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Speaker 6: I can't floor my grandparents, you know. They they raised

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Speaker 6: me the best that they could and I can't flow it. Man.

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Speaker 6: I believe I had one of the best, if not

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Speaker 6: the best upbringings. I always felt loved, always had family,

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Speaker 1: But as I've.

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Speaker 6: Spoken before, and we'll probably get into it later on,

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Speaker 6: I started getting abuse around the age of fifteen, and

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Speaker 6: that led me to the streets. And then from the

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Speaker 6: streets that's where you know, you're.

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Speaker 1: Just that's like a very age fifteen.

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Speaker 5: It's like where you're very curious about life and it's

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Speaker 5: luck to beers at that age would really traumatize it.

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Speaker 5: It would eventually like got to the streets from fifteen.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, just for safety, you know. So I couldn't like

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Speaker 6: and things like that. That's where I got caught slipping,

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Speaker 6: I started to come across other street kids, kids who

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Speaker 3: Wow, it's interesting that you say that.

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Speaker 4: It's that he's he was looking for safety around that time,

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Speaker 4: because what most boys usually go through is a sense

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Speaker 4: It's interesting that he was more towards the safety side,

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Speaker 4: you know, just I just wanted to because that's usually

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if you, like, all it

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Speaker 5: of the boys. From what I heard in prison, we

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Speaker 5: know you're you were a former member of the O.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just it's just awkward and it's cringe because

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I like, yeah to my boys, especially in jail.

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Speaker 5: It was just something that naturally happens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, people will naturally.

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Speaker 6: Say asks you for naturally asks, you know, So it

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Speaker 6: was never like you just have to plead your pledge

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Speaker 6: your allegiance to me. Yeah, yeah, and it's not like

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Speaker 6: so even now talking about it, it's like feels cringe

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Speaker 1: Yeah, being prideful.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was the leader and I was the boss

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Speaker 6: of these all these my servants, you.

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Speaker 1: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll just like, I'll just say that I was

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Speaker 6: a person of influence I had I had a hand

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Speaker 6: in the beginnings and the origins of yeah a year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that makes sense. That makes sense.

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Speaker 5: And I think that happens with a lot of Polynesians

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Speaker 5: because we all like like seeing each other on the

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Speaker 1: No one really likes being higher, but say, I get

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Speaker 1: where you're coming from.

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Speaker 5: It was sort of like like when we were getting affiliated,

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Speaker 1: Everyone that I used to picture our faces like the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was Lily's just mainly a group of boys,

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Speaker 3: I think plays a big part.

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Speaker 4: The boys you're hanging around with. At the end of

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Speaker 5: Was there any like fact that that really triggered you

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Speaker 5: a lot that really like pushed.

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Speaker 1: Into the path of becoming OC.

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Speaker 6: It was just there was a lot that I didn't

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Speaker 6: that I disagreed with. You know, in the politics of prison,

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Speaker 6: there's a lot of things that I stood there.

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Speaker 1: And I thought this is wrong.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I was always type like the type of

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Speaker 6: up for me. I couldn't stand up for myself. Before prison,

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Speaker 6: and before the streets, I was bullied. Even in the streets,

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Speaker 6: I was bullied.

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Speaker 1: You know. Yeah. So now by the time I come.

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Speaker 6: To prison, I had so much experience of being hurt

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Speaker 6: And now I will have a crack regardless. And so

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Speaker 6: I started to want to put my beliefs what I

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Speaker 1: Thought was right. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's how I stepped into these like yeah, and

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Speaker 5: you would have already been in prison for a few

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Speaker 5: years at this time, is that right. Yes, I first

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Speaker 5: went in twenty ten to Big Boys, and yeah, it

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Speaker 1: Sorry, that's two.

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Speaker 6: Thousand and thirteen and fourteens where I started to kind

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Speaker 6: of like take on that role. I just thought I'm

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Speaker 6: you watch a whole generation of people being misused taken

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Speaker 5: You know, yeah, that's amazing. And they say, like say,

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Speaker 5: this whole Polynesian gang form from someone stepping up and

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Speaker 5: like deciding to make a change in the environment, and

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Speaker 5: now it's arguably one of the largest polonies in gangs

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Speaker 5: in South Wales. And influence that can happen.

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Speaker 3: From one person, crazy man.

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Speaker 4: I remember for myself, you know, in my own issues

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Speaker 4: when I was in there, just the numbers you know,

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Speaker 4: were excelling, like fucking crazy, you know, everywhere you just

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Speaker 4: how much of an influence you know, it had. It's

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Speaker 4: always like they were like thriving off something.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: It's interesting, was there was there any of what was

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Speaker 6: Because at that time, growing up in prison, I already

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Speaker 6: made the boys in my family. So I now pushed

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Speaker 6: like I don't contribute to the family name, and.

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Speaker 1: My family's better off without me, you know. But these

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Speaker 6: A lot of these boys are broken, a lot of

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Speaker 6: put my whole heart into that, into these into our people.

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Speaker 1: Just see the pacifica you know.

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Speaker 6: And I think one of the hardest things was having

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Speaker 6: do anything but simple things like just like like me

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Speaker 6: advising them, I don't go and always hang around with

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Speaker 6: that group, you know, like that group is just using

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Speaker 6: you or this and that. I've never asked any member

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Speaker 6: to do anything. Yeah, I've always led from the front.

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Speaker 6: I do everything myself. I don't tell them I've got

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: They would just see me one day missing because I'm

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: But real soldier man, because a lot of people uh

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Speaker 5: he can't do nothing.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't do anything from the.

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Speaker 5: Front, but he's the one with the most money, exactly,

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Speaker 5: and you never hear about that. And people leading from

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Speaker 5: the front.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 5: That's the type of people I used to look up

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Speaker 5: in prison anyway, Sorry for interrupting you. So these guys

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Speaker 5: were like sort of let you down and you expect

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Speaker 5: highly Like of these guys, it's like, because you do

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Speaker 5: so much for the people, exactly, the island of people,

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Speaker 5: even though if I didn't know you, the whole fight

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard they jump alley or they jump right

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Speaker 1: over here. I never met you.

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Speaker 6: That's my I'm straight away. Yeah, because to me, I said, like,

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Speaker 6: my people's my everything. I don't have family anymore, you know,

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Speaker 6: been pushed away from my family for so long that

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Speaker 6: I had to feel that void with something. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: So in.

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Speaker 6: Around time, like around Golden there was there was a

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Speaker 6: they just love the drugs. You know, a lot of

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 1: They used to be really honorable.

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Speaker 6: You know those were today, It's just every anything goes by.

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Speaker 4: Was it always just the Polynesian or the pacifica people

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Speaker 6: I was never mixed, And I made it that way

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Speaker 1: From Man Drew.

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Speaker 6: So sure, it was kind of like the first kind

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they open up there.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, just I just like I said, it wasn't really

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Speaker 6: And so, like I said, we made o s as

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to stop you if you just keep asking.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 6: That's pretty much. Oh see, it was was just a

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Speaker 5: We all grew up the same we all have the

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Speaker 6: And so I thought, it's only like who who better

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Speaker 6: While would we recruit other nashows to fight for our people,

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Speaker 6: they will never understand what it's like. Yeah, to get

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Speaker 1: And things like that amazing.

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Speaker 5: But I just I'm doing that because that could also

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Speaker 5: An onst the islander was like if you're islander, you

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Speaker 1: We're not coming out this time. After the two years.

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Speaker 5: You get past the islander and I'm used to saying

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Speaker 5: And I was chipping out. I was like, no, why

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Speaker 5: that could have had a big impact on like a

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Speaker 1: Buyops ready, revel everything. What do you need? You need

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Speaker 5: Like so you stood firm on that, like yeah, Polynesians

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was basically it bro that.

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Speaker 6: I just thought, this is for our people, and it's

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Speaker 1: We're going to lose life in prison. There's no doubt

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Speaker 6: We are going to lose life because either by death

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's once you start war, you can't stop war.

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Speaker 6: You can just say I'll give up now you're going

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Speaker 6: So yeah, the amount of dramas that I had built

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Speaker 5: Yeah as well when you said like it's very I

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Speaker 1: Math for everyone.

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Speaker 5: And I felt like that I was sort of forced

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Speaker 5: I would have to hold I could never switch up

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Speaker 5: it's czy. He touched up on it. Fuck with man,

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Speaker 5: this conversation is so deep.

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Speaker 1: I love it. We haven't even got to question free.

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Speaker 5: For those of you who don't know, if Franny's actually

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Speaker 5: done a full free sixty, he's come. He's like changed

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Speaker 6: said they were pastors of the church. They started the

445
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 6: church that we were at, and it was just our family.

446
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 6: So church has always been a part of my life.

447
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 6: But I never knew Jesus, I never knew the religion,

448
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 6: and I never knew what the faith was based on.

449
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 6: All I knew is what I had to do, get up,

450
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 6: get ready for church. That's all I remember. I don't

451
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 6: remember anything else. So, yeah, church was a part of

452
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 6: my life for a long time, and the faith was

453
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 6: just kind of like my grandma teaching me.

454
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Speaker 1: It's sort of like you.

455
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 6: Yeah that try, which I thought was kind of like wrong,

456
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 6: you know, But now as I went through prison, I understood.

457
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 1: Man, my grandma was right.

458
00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 3: Bro.

459
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Speaker 6: You know everything they said, Bro, it came true in

460
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 6: my life. Like all the stuff they try and protect

461
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 6: you from by by telling you, hey, don't do this,

462
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 6: don't do that, all of that was all that I

463
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 6: could hear when I was in prison, sitting in there

464
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 6: for years, just like I don't know when I'm getting out.

465
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I literally don't know.

466
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 6: I'm only remind for a new charge every six months

467
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 6: because every six months into someone and then I get

468
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 6: charged for ye. So I'm sitting there just like hopeless,

469
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 6: you know. And I'm just like man and like you said,

470
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 6: but there's only two ways I could do. Two ways

471
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 6: I could go about it was either think of my

472
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 6: nn and feel sorry and then get sad. Or I

473
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 6: can just go full steam ahead, don't worry about the consequences.

474
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Speaker 1: We're gon't. But this is us fun life, you know. Character.

475
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Speaker 6: So I was, like I said, I believe that I

476
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 6: knew Christianity, you know what I mean. So I believe

477
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 6: I know Christianity. I've been in church since birth. I'm

478
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 6: a born Christian, you know. Yeah, like that stuff does

479
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 6: not work. Yeah, I don't work.

480
00:23:58,800 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: Out here in the streets.

481
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 6: I don't work with me and my traumas and abused

482
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 6: and sexually abused and that that stuff ain't done nothing

483
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,239
Speaker 6: for me. So I'm in prison, I'm listening to all

484
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 6: these different people talk, you know, I'm hearing Islam, I'm

485
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 6: hearing Buddhism and and all these different ideologies and thoughts,

486
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 6: and I'm just sitting there and I'm just like yeah,

487
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 6: and I come close to it, But there was something

488
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 6: that was always holding me back, you know. And for instance,

489
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 6: one of the things that like I'm a person of

490
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 6: I love justice, fairness, love and truth.

491
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Speaker 1: You know.

492
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Speaker 6: So these are kind of the things I was also

493
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Speaker 6: seeking once I got fulfilled, Like well, we look for

494
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 6: fulfillment first, you know, if I found out in Jesus Christ,

495
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 6: but I was still thinking, what is the truth? What

496
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 6: is just like you know, because the God that I believe,

497
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 6: if there is a god, he'll be just, he'll be holy,

498
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 6: he'll be you know, loving and all these things. And

499
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 6: I just remember when as I was looking, like especially

500
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Speaker 6: going through the island phase with the O C like

501
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 6: we be. When we first started, it was just so

502
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 6: like just us, only us. We don't care about the world,

503
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 6: you know, and care like yous have abused us for

504
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,239
Speaker 6: so many years and made my people like feel like

505
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 6: nobody's in here and picked on them. Whatever, we're just

506
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 6: gonna annihilate everyone, you know. That's how we went about it.

507
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 6: And so we were just like what makes us islander?

508
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 6: You know, because we want to be proud, like just

509
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 6: like the Lebos and and how they know all their

510
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 6: language and they know all their like prayers and things

511
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 6: like what makes us under They do their prayers, they

512
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 6: do this and that, and we're just like, well, you know,

513
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 6: at first we're like all right, you know, let's we

514
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 6: do chores.

515
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: To what makes us island, what our culture?

516
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, and slowly that's where how you know, our upbringing

517
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 6: started coming into it. And just service if every every

518
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 6: nation in the Pacific, they're based on on service, like

519
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 6: we serve others, you know, that's how that's what makes

520
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 6: us feel better.

521
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 1: Exactly.

522
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 6: We're in a society today that tells you to serve yourself.

523
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 6: Everything's about me, you know. But our culture is so opposite.

524
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 6: Our culture as we serve them. That's why you can

525
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 6: go to tongue and wedding and tongue and they will

526
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 6: splash like the whole bank. And people see this like

527
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 6: as a bad thing, you know what I mean. It's

528
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 6: not necessarily good for your bank, but it shows the heart,

529
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 6: ye know what I mean. Us the heart is more

530
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 6: important than the bank because our people are so based

531
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 6: around faith that they know Tomorrow's is always going to

532
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 6: be in God's hands because our faith is in him.

533
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: Faith is not in the money.

534
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 6: The money can get you so far, but in front

535
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 6: of Jesus on the day of judgment, that stuff comes.

536
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 3: That's probably the best way you've got to explained.

537
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 5: A lot of you would hear a lot of polinicies

538
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 5: are getting upset from from just giving exactly.

539
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 4: I've seen so many podcasts already that's talking about like

540
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 4: children coming here to work and provide for their families

541
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 4: a lot. Yeah, it's coming. It's good that it gave

542
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 4: clarity on that.

543
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 6: It's because you know, this society, bro, it's so wicked.

544
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 6: You can see Hollywood's got a hand in. It's so wicked,

545
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 6: and it's turning kids against parents. It's telling you don't

546
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 6: the Bible says to honor your parents, honor your mother

547
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 6: and your father. Does that mean that they're honor them

548
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 6: only when they're right? No, even when they're wrong.

549
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

550
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 6: Because it's it's it grows you as a person, so

551
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 6: that it's about character building. That's what God is doing

552
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 6: with you to go towards his image. So all these

553
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 6: things that you know I remembered, like in prison, you

554
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 6: don't serve another man. But that's how I led so

555
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 6: people that they hear my name, at least they think

556
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 6: for any must be the king and this I'm the

557
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 6: servant of my boys of all PACIFICA, not just my

558
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 6: not oc like any land to come through I'm serving them.

559
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 6: I'll cook for you whatever you want, you know. And

560
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 6: that just came back down to the way I was taught.

561
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 6: That's how my grandmother taught me to to to be

562
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 6: a good person is to serve others.

563
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: And yeah, so.

564
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 5: That's ultimately separated us from a lot of others. And

565
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 5: that's right. And like I was before, I was going

566
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 5: to say, like I was actually going to say, other

567
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 5: nationalities are like a pull in the head of us

568
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 5: because they're looking after themselves.

569
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: And maybe, yeah, that's the big sav that's something.

570
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 5: That could be something good about us that maybe we

571
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 5: don't have to be here, so maybe we can be

572
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 5: exactly where we are.

573
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 6: But you've got to think of it. What are they chasing.

574
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 6: They're not chasing after God's heart. They're chasing after the

575
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 6: things of this world. The Bible says, what what's the

576
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 6: point of gaining the world and forfeiting your soul? So

577
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 6: your parents, my parents have grandparents, they already know what's

578
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 6: more important. That's what they look at. That's why they

579
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 6: can give their money like fifty percent to the church, like.

580
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: I want some mac donald because to them.

581
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 6: But now as I grow in my faith, like now

582
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 6: I see it like joy and all these things that

583
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 6: we think will come from money, the things we think

584
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 6: will come from being a CEO, a boss, it doesn't

585
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 6: come from that. Joy and peace doesn't come from that.

586
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 6: Fulfillment doesn't come from that, only temporary versions of it.

587
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 6: That's why these people they put on these facades. They

588
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 6: look happy. They're on Instagram traveling the world. They look happy,

589
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 6: you know, after leaving everyone and following their riches. But

590
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 6: if you notice, they don't really post their family.

591
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 5: There's never heaps of people around them because they're the

592
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 5: most happiest.

593
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: Exactly, look at us.

594
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 6: We're poor, but I'm poor, but we're surrounded by so

595
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 6: much family. I wou rather hang here with my family

596
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 6: than have to chase the paper and leave them. And

597
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 6: that's where like today's society they push it like, oh,

598
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 6: you're got to leave the family, you gotta leave them behind,

599
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 6: you gotta do this, bro.

600
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, amazing the way you put it, And it's it's

601
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 5: not really hard to see. If you look at a

602
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 5: lot of celebrities right now doing that rock bro, a

603
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 5: lot of millionaires doing that rocket Like it's always ask myself,

604
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 5: what is the point of having all of that? If

605
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 5: you're going to have an attitude twenty four seven. Having

606
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 5: that attitude, they never wake up on the wrong side

607
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 5: of the bed.

608
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: They're just angle there all day.

609
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 5: That's eighty percent of these guys, and the guys that

610
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 5: would have had everything.

611
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: Pete Diddy, what's he doing now?

612
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 5: Man, he's lost everything exactly everyone that went to his

613
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 5: house for a party, and they're like, you know, it's

614
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 5: a shame to come now and put.

615
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: Their face in camera. That's right. Look at them.

616
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 6: They can't even hold marriages yet we're sitting here taking

617
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 6: a life advice from them. People can't even be loyal

618
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 6: to one woman. Yeah, we're sitting there looking at them, like,

619
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 6: tell me what's my next move?

620
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

621
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 6: If they cared about you, then send you a couple

622
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 6: grand You're like, yeah, they start a business, but don't

623
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 6: sit there and they'll just encourage you. Don't listen to

624
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 6: your mom. Don't be humble. You know, that's one of

625
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 6: the biggest things is humility. God says that he's for

626
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 6: the humble, and he opposes the pridele What do Every

627
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 6: podcast I see today is young police telling us, Hey,

628
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 6: you've got to get a step away from that. You

629
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 6: gotta stop being humble, you do all this and it's

630
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 6: just teaching us everything that. Like I said that the

631
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 6: Hollywood is already Hollywood gets to the celebs, they start

632
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 6: teaching all the influencers on the internet minit.

633
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: You'll see our Islanders.

634
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 6: Doing it, talking like you know, like it's something new.

635
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 6: But it's like, bro, you're just you're just like especially

636
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 6: in this generation. Man, this generation does not understand humility

637
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 6: at all. They will never I don't believe they were

638
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 6: talk that, yeah, because they We're in a society now

639
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 6: where that the police or the government have taken away

640
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 6: our you know, our right to discipline children. So now

641
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 6: they're left to do whatever they like. And now we've

642
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 6: got just riots everywhere with the allegians, and they're looking

643
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 6: at us and blaming the parents, blaming my mom, and

644
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 6: that for the reason why the kids are turning out

645
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 6: the way they are.

646
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 3: That's beautiful.

647
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: We're going to our next question.

648
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 5: I remember there was a Bible verse in the O

649
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 5: C game, Like someone would come up to me and say,

650
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 5: this is a Bible best I was shocked to the

651
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 5: course he's got a Bible vest.

652
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like this guy's a full gangster.

653
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 5: He's coming to me with a barbles, like, no, why

654
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 5: are they saying a Bible and I love the Bible team,

655
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 5: I was interested. He showed me a Bible verse. I

656
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 5: don't know if it was the actual one. It's something

657
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 5: to do with Locus Proverbs thirty twenty seven. Yeah, Locus

658
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 5: have no king yet the events fourth in ranks. Well

659
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 5: what of this, Well it's basically to level us all. Yeah, Locus.

660
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 5: The reason why Locus was at all because it has

661
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 5: the letters seeing it. Yeah.

662
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Speaker 6: And and the verse was actually dropped by one of

663
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Speaker 6: the brothers, Connor. He's in New Zealand. So shout out

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Speaker 6: to brother Connor. He verses very I was read the

665
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Speaker 6: Bible heaps as well. So yeah, like I said, just

666
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Speaker 6: the foundations of when we finally like decided to make

667
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 6: it again, you know in Goldwen it was me, brother Connor, Noah,

668
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Speaker 6: Mussy Rook. Shout out to Mussy Roope and I think Angelo.

669
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Speaker 6: So yeah, there was a few.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So and the thing is we all had the Bible, like,

671
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Speaker 1: we all read the Bible in Sega.

672
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

673
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Speaker 1: So it was just like I was more the front

674
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Speaker 1: runner with the faith.

675
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Speaker 6: So they were like they were like, yeah, we believe

676
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 6: in God that it was more like, we're going to

677
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Speaker 6: kill for God.

678
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Speaker 1: I was like that too until you read it.

679
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Speaker 6: You know when you read the Bible and it starts

680
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Speaker 6: telling you turn the cheek and love your enemies, you

681
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 6: know what I mean. And I'm like trying to lions,

682
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, what they want to breach out.

683
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's probably one of the hardest verses as a Christian.

684
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Speaker 5: If you're in jail and there's a lot of brothers

685
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 5: that actually turn away from our faith because of disperse.

686
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Speaker 1: As a man, you don't want to turn the other

687
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Speaker 1: cheek an enemy. It's very hard.

688
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Speaker 5: And there was times in prison, in juvenile actually where

689
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 5: I would see this verse and like all this to

690
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 5: get angry because I didn't know what to do and

691
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Speaker 5: I couldn't. I couldn't just hold back from anything that

692
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 5: would happen. So what I would use to do is

693
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 5: I used to before I go to a fight, I

694
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 5: like praying, I'll say, forgive me, I can't do this

695
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 5: this one verse. Okay, sorry, I can't do this. I

696
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 5: can do anything you asked for, but I'm not going

697
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 5: to turn the other tick.

698
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: Because I'm not a bitch.

699
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Speaker 5: I think in my head yeah, but it worked for

700
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 5: the better because eventually I start realizing what he means,

701
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 5: like violence is just going to promote more violence.

702
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

703
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Speaker 5: It's just crazy the way you put it, because I

704
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 5: know a lot of boys who would look at that

705
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 5: verse and be like, I'm not going to be.

706
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, because their version of what a man should be. Yeah,

707
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 6: I think a man should be like everyone feeds me,

708
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 6: everyone this and that. But the Bible describes what a

709
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 6: man is. We see it in Jesus Christ when they

710
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 6: put him on the cross. Yeah, you know, and he's

711
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 6: you know, he's right, one of his boys, Simon Peter,

712
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 6: just talking to him. Let me, let me give me

713
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 6: the green light, bro, it's on. Okay, them like, let's go.

714
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 6: I want to I want this, you know. And he's like,

715
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 6: but anytime I can bring angels, you know what I mean.

716
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 6: I could have a whole group of angels come down

717
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 6: and destroy them. But then scripture would not be fulfilled.

718
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Speaker 1: You know.

719
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Speaker 6: So as we see him getting tortured, you know, we

720
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 6: see him getting spat on, you know, he's getting slapped,

721
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Speaker 6: and they're mocking him.

722
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, your God, which one slapped you? And

723
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: show us?

724
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 6: Tell us which one slapped you, and they're mocking him,

725
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 6: both slapping him. Imagine that going on for a day

726
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 6: or two, you know what I mean of just this

727
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 6: torture to the point where they find they got him

728
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 6: now on the cross and now they put him in,

729
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 6: you know, on the cross and they're sitting there and

730
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 6: he's still praying for them. You know, he's like, man,

731
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 6: therefore they know not what they do, you know what

732
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Speaker 6: I mean, even despite like these people were, they're in

733
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 6: your face, spitting in your face, killing you, and you're

734
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 6: still going to forgive them.

735
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Speaker 5: And I mean I remember seeing that, like the pain

736
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 5: he went through would have been unbearable, and he.

737
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: Went through that for for use. You know, he went

738
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: through that for us.

739
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 6: You know, you've got to look at it like we

740
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 6: want to go and retaliate when people heard us. But

741
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 6: if Jesus retaliated when you sing, and you wouldn't be

742
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 6: here right now. And you it's only by his grace

743
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 6: that we're still here. That he's patient, mortiful and forgiving.

744
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 6: So that's why he asks us to be the same.

745
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 6: He says, the same forgiveness and the same mercy I

746
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 6: show you show others, you know, because without it we

747
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 6: can't make it to heaven. That's why he says, if

748
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 6: you don't forgive others, you won't be forgiven your sin.

749
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 6: These are the things that as a man, if you,

750
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 6: if you're staunch like we say we are, we have

751
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 6: we can't run away from the truth. This is the

752
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 6: this is the Lord speaking to us. So either we

753
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 6: can say nah, reject that, do what I want to do,

754
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 6: which is what we do every time, and we're still

755
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 6: here because of his grace. Like he's still like, yep,

756
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 6: he rejected me for the ten million time. Yeah, I'm

757
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 6: still but he's still there. You know, he still went

758
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 6: for it all. Yeah, he's still the Bible tells us, bro,

759
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 6: like while we were enemies, while we were his enemy,

760
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 6: he died for us. You know, so even though he knew,

761
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 6: like your worst sin, your worst rejection of him.

762
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Speaker 1: You know, when we do.

763
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 6: Our daily walk and we don't we lie, when we

764
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 6: do all the things against the commandments and even the

765
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 6: things that it's not written like ESA and you know

766
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,959
Speaker 6: what's wrong and you still do it. That's still see, yeah,

767
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 6: says so he constantly every day his mercy is on you.

768
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 6: So how come you can't show to anyone else.

769
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 5: Ye like to me, To be honest, I used to

770
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 5: see it like he was gangster, like Jesus going for that, yeah,

771
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 5: because when you think of someone to look up to,

772
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 5: you think of someone that can go through pain, someone

773
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 5: that can sacrifice himself here and like because I was in.

774
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Speaker 1: Jail, like for me, like I see him as that

775
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: person that was like.

776
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 5: Full bloody, full blood gangster, will get all the way

777
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 5: to when you're proper. You know, when you're proper g

778
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 5: and he comes to your brother and someone comes up

779
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 5: to you and like he asked you to like betray

780
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 5: your brother or something, will take a real deed to

781
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 5: just copy it and say, you know, I'm taking anything

782
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 5: from what I said.

783
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: I used to see Jesus as that, like someone that would.

784
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 5: Like just run the ball up and you like put

785
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 5: his life on the line for you, you know, and

786
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 5: surprisingly how you know, how mercy, how much mercy Jesus Christ,

787
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 5: and they're all glory to him, because I always think, like,

788
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 5: how how can we still be alive here? Even after

789
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 5: all that thing he went through carrying the cross. He

790
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 5: could have just brought his angels upon us and wiped us.

791
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 5: But you know, God was very merciful even till that

792
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 5: day and just freed us. Even all the other separate communities,

793
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 5: the Buddhists, the people that believed in other gods, even

794
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 5: they still live, Muslims, everyone else, and it's just well,

795
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 5: welcome back to Brazien Cohn. Sorry about that. Just had

796
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 5: a quick break, but we're back here. We hope he's

797
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 5: enjoying that. This conversation is getting deep now. I'm coming

798
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Speaker 5: to the next segment, Overcoming adversity, probably one of the

799
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 5: most important.

800
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Speaker 1: Questions that I was thinking of.

801
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Speaker 5: And I'm very happy with the brother because I asked

802
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 5: him if there was any particular topic that he wanted

803
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 5: to come across. The man said, he's an open book,

804
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 5: which is perfect. It's what we want. This is bos

805
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 5: and cons. But thank you for tuning in. Overcoming adversity.

806
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 5: How did you deal with the fact that some of

807
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 5: your past be human change now and you've got that

808
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 5: past beef that's going on. He's probably still got like

809
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 5: one hundred of sea boys inside. How do you deal

810
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 5: with the fact knowing that your past beef is not

811
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 5: unsettled and it's if not grown, probably even bigger. Now,

812
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 5: you know, how am I dealing with the driver. Yeah,

813
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 5: how you dealing that with it? And how you just

814
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 5: my eyes is on Christ, Yeah, you know what I mean.

815
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 5: I keep my eyes fixated on him. When I take

816
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 5: it off him, that's when all that stuff starts to

817
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 5: get to me. So I'm had a place with the

818
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 5: Lord man that I know that I'm following him and

819
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 5: i know he's leading me to heaven, you know, to

820
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 5: be the father for eternity. So if at any point

821
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 5: from here to there I go, it doesn't matter whether

822
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 5: I get knocked, if I get shot, or if I

823
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 5: get none of that matters, you know, none of that.

824
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 6: So there's no sheep. Yeah, I'm just so like I

825
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 6: expect suffering, you know what I mean. Christ said, We're

826
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 6: called to suffer, you know these things, and so you know,

827
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 6: if it comes, it comes, you know what I mean.

828
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: I just pray for them, you know.

829
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 6: I pray for them, and I have such a heart

830
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 6: for them, and I pray for my heart as well,

831
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 6: you know, because I'm not perfect.

832
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: Not the one I serve is perfect, you know.

833
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 6: So I'm just in that place with the Lord that

834
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 6: you know, I'm in such a good place with God

835
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 6: that I know that death is coming, you know, so

836
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 6: I know where I go after death. That's what makes

837
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 6: me not afraid to you know, and you're afraid. If

838
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 6: you're afraid of death, then you're plotting, you're scheming. You're like,

839
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 6: these guys are doing this, I've got to do this

840
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 6: like chess, you know, want to do put.

841
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 3: In these But that's exactly right.

842
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, seeing my.

843
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 5: Instagram, but I'm like, yeah, I'm just over here hanging

844
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 5: out in Campbelltown.

845
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm hanging out in Liverpool, you know.

846
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't care about like not posting time and

847
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 6: where I am. I post where I am because of that,

848
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 6: you know, because of my freedom in Christ. Yeah, I

849
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 6: have so much freedom in Him. And if it's my

850
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 6: time to go, it's my time to go.

851
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 5: Wow, a different board game. Man, it's saying. They don't

852
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 5: say I'm inspiring to you, man, you're just living for

853
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 5: Christ basically right now.

854
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 4: What's what's some of the advice you would give to

855
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 4: others out there that want to leave that gang life

856
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 4: behind or whatever prison life or whatever thing they're going on.

857
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 6: You can try every other route. I've seen people leave

858
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 6: for family. I've seen people leave for kids. I've seen

859
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 6: people leave for women. I've seen people leave for everything,

860
00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 6: but they try and feel something that only got I

861
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 6: can feel with with people, places and things. So you're

862
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 6: going to gain those things, but you're still going to

863
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 6: remain empty, you know what I mean. So you can

864
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 6: leave for your kid, but I'm telling you now, five

865
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 6: years later, I'll talk to that person who's defeated, doesn't

866
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 6: want to live, you know what I mean. And so

867
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 6: my my thing is is seek Christ, you know, to

868
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 6: seek the Lord and allow him to fulfill fulfill you.

869
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 6: He's the one who strengthens us away from that away

870
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 6: from that life, you know. So that's it's a basic

871
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 6: and simple answerrgeous Jesus Christ is the answer.

872
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: He's the cure to everything.

873
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 6: Like I am an ex addiction addict, exdiction.

874
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: That was next level addiction. Like I was on everything.

875
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 6: I was on ice, and I was on all these things,

876
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 6: and especially being sexually abused at a young age, and

877
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 6: I ran to alcohol for so long and again in

878
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 6: prison there's no alcohol. I was like, what's what's like alcohol?

879
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: These all the.

880
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 6: Boys are like, yeah, try try try heroin and chuck

881
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 6: it all on. And I just got to a point

882
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 6: where I couldn't stop. And then one time. I just

883
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 6: remember that the morals, my morals started to change. I

884
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 6: started to lie, I started to hold out. That's the

885
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 6: that's the main thing. Yeah, that's the stuff that will

886
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 6: really turn you off. As that you you feel sort

887
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 6: of out of place. I feel like yourself anymore. Like

888
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 6: we said, we are sharing people to our culture. We share,

889
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 6: we love, we care for our brothers. We can't lie

890
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 6: like it's it's really hard when we lie. Yeah, we

891
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 6: see other people and other Nashals, it's like common for

892
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 6: them to like, you know, like they would do it

893
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 6: like it's but with usked we sit there.

894
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, I feel like a dog.

895
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 6: You know.

896
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: I just lied to my brother said that.

897
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 6: And that's what I started doing, Bro, when I started

898
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 6: noticing these little things, when the boys were like, you

899
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 6: got any thing left any more?

900
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: Mok or left or look at it. It's only a

901
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 1: little bit of finished finish.

902
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 7: But I'm saving it for the nighttime. You know, Bro,

903
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 7: it happened. It's so common. It's so common common. And

904
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 7: the sad thing is watching the boys accept that they

905
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 7: start to become evil, like they become when.

906
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 5: They see and when they don't believe, they become even

907
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 5: and that's what we've got in jails is a lot

908
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 5: of brothers.

909
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 6: Now they've pushed away the morals. All the goodness in

910
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 6: us that was taught to us by our families through

911
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 6: their faith in God has just come to nothing now

912
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 6: because we've allowed the drugs to take it.

913
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: Take it. Because you have to make a choice, Bro,

914
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: do I continue being.

915
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 6: A good person or do I I need the strug

916
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 6: otherwise if I don't. If you've never had an addiction, bro,

917
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 6: when you don't have and you've been on beautiful months,

918
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 6: you don't have us, you've been on it for months, Bro,

919
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,479
Speaker 6: trying to get off it is like COVID times five.

920
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 6: I don't know if I've had COVID. I've had a

921
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 6: bad flute. Looks like that times five. Like everything is sore.

922
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 6: You feel like you're dying, Bro, Like you literally feel

923
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 6: like you're dying, and so the worst feeling.

924
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 5: Man.

925
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, you want to get off, but you can't. You

926
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 6: literally have the strength to do it. It's easier just to

927
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 6: have one spot, to have a smoke and it's just

928
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 6: feel normally. Then to try and ride this pain out

929
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 6: for seven days, you know, Like that's how long it

930
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 6: usually takes four to seven days for the hang out

931
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 6: to finish. Bro, nobody wants to go through that, you

932
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 6: know what I mean, And so our boys will be like, all,

933
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 6: I only got a little bit left. I'm hanging out.

934
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 6: The boys are asking next door. No, No, I've got

935
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 6: to care about myself, do my own habit first. And

936
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 6: then that's why we have such a disconnection with our

937
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 6: brothers in jail today.

938
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why it's so holding out bro standing boneyards.

939
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what That's what the desperation is of what

940
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 6: needing drugs. That's the habit is that it's making you.

941
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 6: You don't first of all, we really ask for anything,

942
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 6: and then you get on there the next minute, Oh

943
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 6: do you got you got money for this?

944
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: I got that?

945
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 6: And so yeah, it just changes our whole morale, changes

946
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 6: our whole black the way we are, our character and stuff.

947
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 6: So yeah, I cried about it because I was doing

948
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 6: bad goes bro even to my nan my name and

949
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 6: my mum will drive up like six seven hours and

950
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 6: then I knew, like I told this in another body,

951
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 6: but I was like, oh, I rang my mom. I

952
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 6: was like, oh, don't come. They're like we're already here.

953
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 6: They drove like six seven hours where to come. I'm like, oh,

954
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 6: don't come. I'm feeling like angry, and they're like, oh sorry, Bob,

955
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 6: like we don't want to stress you out, We'll go

956
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 6: back home.

957
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: They booked like a motel and everything.

958
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 6: What a putrid bewtruck person, I am, you know, to

959
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 6: to allow that. But the reason why I knew I

960
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 6: didn't want to go out and the visit, it's because

961
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 6: I would have missed the boat. So if I went

962
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 6: on my visit that the visit before mine, the drugs

963
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 6: were coming in there. So I didn't want to miss

964
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 6: the boat because if the boys open it up, then

965
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 6: I'm not going to get any. But so I was like,

966
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 6: oh sorry, yeah, I'm angry.

967
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: It just let me be.

968
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 6: And then my mom was like, sorry, we don't want

969
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 6: to stress your son after them traveling all these hours,

970
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 6: you know, And so yeah, I started like that stuff

971
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 6: would rip me, bro, But I can't. How do I

972
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 6: break this cycle?

973
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: Bro? I can't. I'm not strong enough, you know what

974
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 1: I mean?

975
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 6: And that stuff has brought down so many soldiers, that

976
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 6: those drugs has brought down so many good people. And

977
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 6: that's why I knew it had to be a power

978
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 6: greater than my own power, my own real power, and

979
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 6: I cried out to the Lord.

980
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: You know, and praise God.

981
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 6: Man. I got put in segregation because every time you

982
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 6: go segree you have to quit, you know what I mean.

983
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 6: But you come back out and for some reason you

984
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 6: go back to it every time, you know what I mean.

985
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 6: But that one time I cried out. Since then broke

986
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 6: never touched ice, you know, never touched abube, nothing, so

987
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 6: phase yet to go to.

988
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 3: Did you end up going through that stage where you

989
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 3: were hanging out getting the thing?

990
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 6: I can't even remember it because I was in the

991
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 6: hole and I was just like I was just so

992
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 6: empty and I just had the Bible and as I read,

993
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 6: I just feel so much power even in that. So

994
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 6: like I'm just reading that book, I'm like, this is hactic,

995
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 6: you know, because at your lowest, bro, that's where you really.

996
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 3: Start, really start. Yeah, the words come alive.

997
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 6: Because you have Yeah, when you because we put idols

998
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 6: in front of God, you know, we say God, You're

999
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 6: not going to give me everything that I need. YEA,

1000
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 6: I need fifty percent of God and then twenty percent work,

1001
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 6: twenty percent family. You know what I mean, but he

1002
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 6: is the source of everything, and then he blesses everything else,

1003
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 6: you know what I mean.

1004
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I was trying to say that was

1005
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: the question.

1006
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 5: I remember, like speaking on your enemies. For those of

1007
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 5: you who are trying to live with the game life.

1008
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 5: You can see an example here Franny who's totally lost

1009
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 5: all fear in himself. He's lost his fear because he

1010
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 5: believes in Christ. He believes that Christ is like the answer.

1011
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 5: And so big heads up encouragement if you're going through

1012
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 5: that face. Yeah, now that you fix your eyes on Christ.

1013
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 5: I remember, like we did ask you how it is

1014
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 5: with the past and your enemies. I remember you told

1015
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 5: me before coming here that you're still praying for your enemies.

1016
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: Very shocking.

1017
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 5: But this guy literally prays for his enemies and he

1018
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 5: prays for himself.

1019
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 6: Can you tell us more about that. I just pray

1020
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 6: that the Lord will soften their heart, you know, soften

1021
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 6: their heart and just open their eyes to the real enemy. Yeah,

1022
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 6: which is the devil, you.

1023
00:50:58,600 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.

1024
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 6: He sits there and he laughs at us when we

1025
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 6: go at each other. You know, he sits there as

1026
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 6: Pacifica you Pacifica, you know, And and and so yeah,

1027
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 6: I pray for things like that.

1028
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: Lord, please soften their hearts.

1029
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 6: Please Lord, protect them, bless them, guide them, and guard them,

1030
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 6: you know, guard their hearts, you know, give them the

1031
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 6: strength like you gave me the strength to be set

1032
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 6: apart from everyone else, you know, and to be a

1033
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 6: lion you know, amongst their brethren, to lead them, you know.

1034
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: So just simple prayer.

1035
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 5: Like that, amazing, amazing. Praying for your enemies can be

1036
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 5: very hard. As we were talking about before, every man

1037
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 5: has his pride to pray for your enemies.

1038
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: He's very very touching man. And where we love that man.

1039
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 5: I think a lot of boys can take a good advice.

1040
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 5: Bros and cons giving you the ropes, this is next

1041
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 5: never giving you the ropes. Pray for your enemies. Amazing stuff.

1042
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 5: Coming down to our last last segment, looking towards the fututure.

1043
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: What are your goals?

1044
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 5: Relationship goals, family goals, had a plan and continue growing?

1045
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: What's the what's the plans from now? Matthew six thirty three,

1046
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: seek first God's kingdom and his righteousness and all these

1047
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 1: things be added to whoo. Just the same goal, broth,

1048
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: same journey, just looking at the Lord and just going

1049
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: where he leads me. You know, I don't care about

1050
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: anything else but him. So he's reading the Bible every day.

1051
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 1: These are my spiritual disciplines. And when I notice when

1052
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: I fall away from that, my mind starts going everywhere.

1053
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: I want to be CEO.

1054
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, all of a sudden, I want to be a traveler,

1055
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 6: I want to be this, I want to do that,

1056
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 6: I want to be a boxer.

1057
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: All these things start coming into head.

1058
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 6: But once I'm in my word every day, rooted in

1059
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 6: his word, it's just channel vision of the Lord.

1060
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 5: So I know you, I know you got your eyes

1061
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 5: in Christ, but you just mess it boxing.

1062
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: I think of that. I'll try.

1063
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 6: Like I thought I knew how to fight, bro until

1064
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 6: I came out and started boxing, and.

1065
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: Bro, I am like level zero point zero.

1066
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 5: One, humbling, and I love it because I love being

1067
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 5: in places where I challenge it.

1068
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, well I'm challenged where I'm like in prison. In

1069
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 6: the latter years, there was so much pressure, you know,

1070
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 6: to lead. I had so much pressure. I just I

1071
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 6: wanted to be a kid. Sometimes. Yeah, I was like,

1072
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 6: you can't I just hang out like the boys. But

1073
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 6: I always had to have my head screwed on at

1074
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 6: a young age, because I had this responsibility that I

1075
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 6: didn't ask for, you know, and and I didn't want it.

1076
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 6: I wanted other people to lead me, you know, and

1077
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 6: lead us. But because of our island ways, you know,

1078
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 6: to serve and to respect our elders. But you know,

1079
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 6: like I said before, when you don't stand up and

1080
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 6: say what's right, you allow the wrong people to talk

1081
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 6: and lead, and then they mislead a lot of people

1082
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 6: down the wrong part up, you know. So yeah, man,

1083
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 6: it's the same thing now with the with the faith

1084
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 6: just stepping out, you know, stepping into that.

1085
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 4: And do you remember your first fight in prison? Do

1086
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 4: you remember any glimpse of it?

1087
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 1: First one? Bro, don't he wants to get idiot greedy?

1088
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 6: I can't really because I like the first few ones

1089
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 6: were kind of like almost like forced, Yeah you're trying

1090
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 6: to yeah, And I didn't really like I didn't I

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00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 6: didn't feel right, so I didn't really want to remember him.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 6: It was kind of like with people that probably couldn't

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00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 6: have couldn't fight, you know, sad ones, you know, just

1095
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 6: trying to thing. But I can't really remember the first one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but you would have been in that stage where

1097
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 5: you're trying to prove yourself, and.

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Speaker 1: So what about family goals? You got any like you're

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00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: looking for a wife? Oh man.

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Speaker 6: You know it's funny like before this, before my walk

1101
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 6: with Christ, that was my whole purpose, bro Like even

1102
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 6: the boys old die for yous, Like, you know, We've

1103
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,479
Speaker 6: got this thing going and I'll lead it till death.

1104
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 6: I will lead it life in prison. But if I

1105
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 6: find a missus, I'm leaving. I'm gapping.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 6: My wife was always my I've always been a softy

1108
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 6: like that. Yeah, I've always just wanted to I like

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00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 6: this basically the simple things, just having a wife, just

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00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 6: you know, the romantic stuff like oldool when it comes

1111
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 6: to that kind of stuff. But ever since you know,

1112
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 6: finding the Lord, I've just been more. It used to

1113
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 6: affect me before that I didn't have one, you know,

1114
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 6: because I have like a certain like I have certain

1115
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 6: characteristics that not perfection, just certain like humility and things

1116
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 6: like that, you know, and and.

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Speaker 1: Just something you find a lot of them today. It's

1118
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 1: it's so hard broke. Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, like the church and I'm like, man, like all

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00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 6: the same man. So it's like God willing brother, that's

1121
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 6: not the goal. But if there was, if the Lord

1122
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 6: ever said, you know, for me to have one, then

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Speaker 6: praise the Lord. But for now, I just you know,

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Speaker 6: I just feel like there's so many broken people in

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Speaker 6: the places where I've been through that really need Jesus

1126
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 6: and they can. It's like, and I feel like God

1127
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 6: saying that I have to be the one to go

1128
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 6: in there, and I can't go to these places if

1129
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 6: I'm because trust me, once I have a wife, bro,

1130
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 6: I'm not coming out anymore.

1131
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: Is just me just hang out together forever, you know.

1132
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 6: I was like, man, I feel like this would take

1133
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 6: me away from God needs me to be overhead, like

1134
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 6: focusing on the people like the outcasts, you know, the

1135
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 6: outcast of life that like in the streets and that

1136
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 6: that no one talks. To give up your time for them,

1137
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 6: you know, well at least until I send you the

1138
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 6: right one who will support you and kneel with you,

1139
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 6: you know, and help you. So yeah, God willing brother,

1140
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 6: I'd hope that i'd have a yeah, a woman of God,

1141
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 6: but yeah, two of.

1142
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 5: Them, Broes, he is the man man. We hope we

1143
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 5: can contribute to that man. We want to lead a

1144
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 5: lot of our youngest to a better way of life

1145
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 5: and you've got the man friendly here. I'm funny, you're

1146
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 5: telling you how it is man amazing stuff. Was there

1147
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 5: like a favorite verse that you got, Yeah, it's pretty

1148
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 5: much that one. But when you read the Bible, but

1149
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 5: you fall in love with every verse, Like, yeah, so.

1150
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 6: Many verses like the one I said before where you know,

1151
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 6: while we were enemies, he died for us, and like

1152
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 6: to unpack that, bro it takes so long, you know,

1153
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 6: like it takes a lifetime to just unpack all these verses.

1154
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 6: But the one that I that keeps me focused is

1155
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 6: just that Matthew six thirty three. Yeah, that's a man

1156
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 6: seek first God's kingdom. Don't go wrong when you seek

1157
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 6: him first.

1158
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 5: That's the main verson, because that's what I tell people, Like,

1159
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 5: the reason why you're spiritually not growing it is because

1160
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 5: you're not seeking Him first.

1161
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 6: To pick up your Bible. Set Like if you can

1162
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 6: set times around your eating and your training and all

1163
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 6: this other stuff, you can set a time for a

1164
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 6: Bible reading every day. Yeah, Like what is more important

1165
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 6: than God's word?

1166
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

1167
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 6: God's word is the Bible? You know, so read that book?

1168
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 6: Man read it and yeah, mad love man.

1169
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: Thank you, but we're really a preacher. I love this.

1170
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: I love this podcast. Man. We really went deep into conversations, man.

1171
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 5: And I'm very happy because when when I was inside,

1172
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 5: I felt like I was sort of the face of

1173
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 5: one crew because I was the only one that was

1174
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 5: in there. Is that I always wanted to meet this

1175
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 5: guay man. It's great, great for the finding me actually

1176
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 5: very very wise man.

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Speaker 1: And it's crazy.

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00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 5: And yeah, if you're if you're his future wife and

1179
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 5: you're watching this, because the man's gonson.

1180
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 3: I'm sure this guy's beautiful home. Man, God said a

1181
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 3: beautiful wife.

1182
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 5: Was there anything you wanted to say to anyone? Just

1183
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 5: like I want to send my love to my brothers,

1184
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 5: to the O C Boys.

1185
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 6: You know, a lot of the times in podcasts, like

1186
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 6: the life that I live today contradicts everything we stood for.

1187
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 6: The things that held us together I now preach against,

1188
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 6: you know. So for them to sit there and constantly

1189
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 6: listening to me like put down the things that we

1190
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 6: once held, you know, I just hope that because a

1191
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 6: lot of them, I can't talk to them, So I

1192
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 6: just hope that they know that it's I'm doing this

1193
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 6: out of love. I'm doing I never left yous. You

1194
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,959
Speaker 6: know what I mean, I never left the OC. Even

1195
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 6: though I'm not a gang member, I'm not o C.

1196
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 6: I never left you. I'm leading you. I'm hoping that

1197
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 6: I'm leading you towards Christ, you know. So yeah, just

1198
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 6: it's the same past, same journey, you know. And a

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Speaker 6: lot of them who really know me, they know I'm

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01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 6: still the same person. Like this is I get shocked

1201
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 6: and a lot of people say, oh, did you soften

1202
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 6: up when he came out because of the way I talk.

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Speaker 5: Now, this is how I'm in jail. It's how I've

1204
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 5: always been, just like this, like kickball gentleman.

1205
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know if I'm a gentleman, but.

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Speaker 1: Let other people say that.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, very yeah, just that I love them and

1208
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 6: that I pray for them, you know, especially Mussy, And

1209
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 6: you know, I hope the Lord is in there working

1210
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 6: within the brother you know. And yeah, just to all

1211
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 6: the boys in the streets, and also to my enemies

1212
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 6: as well. You know, they're not my enemies from my perspective.

1213
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 6: But I know that just because you don't say just

1214
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 6: because you out of the game doesn't mean that they

1215
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 6: have to give up the game too, you know. But

1216
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 6: I just there's nothing that I have against any of yous.

1217
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 6: And you know that I hope that he's you know,

1218
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 6: can accept this as a kind of like a handshaker

1219
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 6: of love from from from myself to use. And I

1220
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 6: hope that you can forgive me for anything that I've done.

1221
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 6: And yeah, nothing but love to them and their families

1222
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Speaker 6: as well.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, helpful man, Well have it man, love, friendly, local,

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Speaker 8: the man, religion, Jesus, the man, much love man.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys for tuning in.

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Speaker 5: This is Brothers and Kantie here with Ron, Gotdi and Frannie.

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Speaker 5: We'll see you guys sooner. Very excited for some upcoming

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1230
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Speaker 5: much love.

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Speaker 1: We'll see next time

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