1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. Oh, 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:16,159 Speaker 1: now it makes sense. Good morning, and welcome to the 3 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: Daily OS. It's Wednesday, the twelfth of February. 4 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 2: I'm Emma, I'm Zara. 5 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: From Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni to Jay Z Diddy 6 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: and Prince Harry. Celebrity lawsuits have dominated the headlines in 7 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: recent months. Another high profile case is back in the spotlight, though, 8 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: this week, after Kendrick Lamar's Super Bowl halftime performance. Lamar's 9 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: disc track not Like Us is the subject of a 10 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: defamation lawsuit filed by Drake last month. Today, we'll take 11 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: you through everything you need to know about this long 12 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: running Drake Kendrick feud and the latest developments on this lawsuit. 13 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: M This is one of those stories that we have 14 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: received a lot of messages about, asking us to break 15 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: it down, explain it, especially, as you said, in light 16 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 2: of the Super Bowl where everyone was talking about this 17 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: Kendrick Lamar Drake feud and subsequent lawsuit For anyone that 18 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 2: might not be up to date, and for all those 19 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: people that have slid into our dms. Where does this 20 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 2: story begin. 21 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: So it's been nearly a year since this feud or 22 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: this story really started gaining global attention. In case you 23 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: missed it, American rapper Kendrick Lamar Canadian rapper Drake real 24 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: name Aubrey Graham were engaged in this serious fight last 25 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: year that took the form of diss tracks. 26 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: So they began distrack. 27 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: A distrack is part of hip hop law of generations 28 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: gone by, where artists will have feuds maybe about where 29 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: they're from, the kind of music that they're making, and 30 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: they express those feuds in the form of song. So 31 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: Drake and Kendrick began exchanging insults through a series of 32 00:01:55,520 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: these distracks, and that's soon escalated to personal attacks. It 33 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: moved really quickly, so you could be forgiven at the 34 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: time for not quite keeping up with all these tracks. 35 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: That's me. 36 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: There were multiple songs being released honestly days apart, and 37 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: that kind of all came to a head in May, 38 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: so Kendrick dropped back to back tracks aimed at Drake. 39 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: Drake released a song called Family Matters where he alleged 40 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: that Kendrick Lamar physically abused his partner. So the lyric 41 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: in question is they hired a crisis management team to 42 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: clean up the fact that you beat on your queen. 43 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: He rapped worth lagging here that there haven't been any 44 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: other similar allegations against Kendrick made in public just in 45 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: Drake's songs, and within minutes, Lamar released the song Meet 46 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: the Grahams, where he accused Drake of employing sex offenders. 47 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: The lyrics compared Drake to form a film producer and 48 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: convicted rapist Harvey Weinstein and urged people to quote keep 49 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 1: their family away from him. The day after Kendrick released 50 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: Meet the Grahams, he dropped not Like Us Now. This 51 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 1: is the song in question. This song is the subject 52 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: of a defamation lawsuit filed by Drake last month. Now, 53 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: in terms of where this all started, why they hate 54 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: each other so much, it seems in the first place, 55 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: it might be hard to believe now that there was 56 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: a time when Drake and Kendrick Lamar might have been friends. 57 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: They featured in music together, they shared tour stages, but 58 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: that was short lived, and they've been feuding pretty much 59 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: ever since twenty thirteen. I do think it's important to 60 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: kind of acknowledge that rap is a genre of music 61 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: famous for egos and big personalities and feuds. You know, 62 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: think Big in Tupac, jay Z and Nas fifty cent 63 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: and Kanye. So this is kind of a long standing 64 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: tradition in the genre, but it has gone a little 65 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: bit further. 66 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: So. 67 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: Kendrick featured on a Big Sean song in twenty thirteen 68 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: called Control There with Me Where. On that song he 69 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: called out Drake, J Cole and a host of other rappers, 70 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: warning them quote, I got love for you all, but 71 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: I'm trying to murder you. In an interview with Billboard, 72 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: Drake dismissed Kendrick's words as an ambitious thought and basically 73 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: he said there's no way that Kendrick was kind of 74 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: ever going to succeed more than him or ever be 75 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: a better or bigger rapper than him. Now, over the 76 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: next few years, they exchanged jabs pretty harmless. It never 77 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: seemed that serious. And then in twenty twenty three, rapper 78 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: J Cole featured on a Drake song called First Person Shooter, 79 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: where he referred to himself and Drake and Kendrick as 80 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: raps big three. So this idea that J Cole, Drake 81 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: and Kenny are the three most kind of consequential or 82 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: popular rappers of their time. In March twenty twenty four, 83 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: If You're Still with Me, a hidden track with an 84 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: uncredited verse by Kendrick popped up on an album from 85 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: producer Metro Boomen and rapper Future. Kendrick rapped that there 86 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: was no Big Three, It's just Big Me. A lot 87 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: more was said on that song, but I won't bore 88 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: you with all of the detail. All you need to 89 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: know really is that that lit a fuse for Drake. 90 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: It seems j Cole released a disc track in response 91 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: to that about Kendrick, but he later described it as 92 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: a misstep, apologized took it all back. So the Big 93 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: Three became the Big two, and it seems like there 94 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: was kind of no going back for Kendrick and Drake 95 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: from that point. 96 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 2: Okay, so they've obviously exchanged strong words on a number 97 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 2: of occasions through a number of distracks. But why is 98 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: not like us the song that you said is the 99 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: subject of this defamation suit. Why is that song any 100 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: different to anything else that's happened. 101 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: Yes, so you could argue there are two reasons for 102 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: the focus being on this song, and the first is 103 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: its lyrics and the second is its popularity. We'll start 104 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: with the lyrics, which drake claims include false allegations that 105 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: he's a pedophile. So some of the lyrics include Drake, 106 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: I hear you like him young, make sure you hide 107 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: your little sister from him trying to strike a chord, 108 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: and it's probably a minor, certified lover boy, certified pedophile. 109 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: That's a lyric in reference to Drake's twenty twenty one album. 110 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: And then the popular plority of this song is relevant 111 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: to the legal action that will get too shortly. 112 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: Because that song blew up. 113 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: It absolutely blew up. It's skyrocketed to the top of 114 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: the charts. It became Spotify's most streamed American hip hop 115 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: song in a single day, and at the time of recording, 116 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: not Like Us is well on its way to one 117 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: point one billion streams on Spotify. To put that into perspective, 118 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: Kendrick is, you know, a long time popular figure in 119 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: rap music. He has twenty two Grammys to his name. 120 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: He is a Pulitzer Prize winning artist. He's been releasing 121 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: music for well over a decade, but in less than 122 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: a year, not Like Us has become one of his 123 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: most streamed songs, and in terms of its critical success, 124 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: the track won all five categories. It was nominated in 125 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: at the recent Grammy Awards, including Song of the Year. 126 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 2: That was a big one. Yeah, And so that song 127 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 2: was released in May, but the lawsuit didn't emerge until 128 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 2: January of the following year. What happened in between them? 129 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: So in the months between the release of not Like 130 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: Us this lawsuit, the few didn't go away. There was 131 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: plenty happening. A security guard was shot outside Drake's home 132 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: in Toronto. There were also several attempted break ins and 133 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: trespassing incidents at that house last year. And in November, 134 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: Drake filed but then withdrew, a legal claim against Universal 135 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: Music Group. Both he and Kendrick have deals with UMG 136 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: to publish their music, and that claim accused Universal of 137 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: using bots to inflate the streaming numbers of not Like Us. 138 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: Interesting the label denied those allegations and that action was dropped. 139 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: And so that brings us to this year when Drake 140 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 2: filed defamation action. And what do we need to know 141 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: about this lawsuit? 142 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: So Kendrick wrote and produced the song, but he is 143 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: not the one being sued. As with that previous petition, 144 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: Drake is actually suing Universal. So the Canadian rapper is 145 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: alleging that the song not Like Us suggests he is 146 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: a pedophile, which he denies, and UMG's publicity of the 147 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: song is defamatory. Specifically, Drake alleges that the song was 148 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: quote in tended to convey the specific, unmistakable and false 149 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: actual allegation that he is a criminal pedophile and to 150 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: suggest that the public should resort to vigilante justice in response. Now, 151 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: Kendrick and Drake have a deal with Universal that means 152 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: it publishes and promotes their music in exchange for a 153 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: percentage of streaming and sales revenue. So Drake alleges that 154 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: Universal publicized not Like Us as much as possible for 155 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: profit to profit off those big streaming numbers. Legal documents 156 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: say this lawsuit is not about the artist who created 157 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: the song. It's instead entirely about Universal Music Group, which 158 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: decided to quote, publish, promote, exploit, and monetize allegations that 159 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: it understood were not only false but dangerous. Drake alleges 160 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: UMG worked to make the song ubiquitous so that it's 161 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: not just fans of rap who now believe he is 162 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: a quote certified pedophile, but also that the broader kind 163 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: of community, that broad pop culture, the new cycle audiences 164 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: around the world that we're talking about it. And Drake 165 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: has also alleged that Universal organized for Kendrick Lamar to 166 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: perform the song at this week's Super Bowl halftime show. 167 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean that's the big talking point here, that 168 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 2: all eyes were on Kendrick Lamar as he performed at 169 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 2: the halftime show. We were all watching in the office 170 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: trying to figure out if he was going to perform this, 171 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 2: if he was going to be allowed to perform it. 172 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: He ultimately did perform the song. Talk me through what happened. 173 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: Yes, So, as you mentioned, Zara, there was a lot 174 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,599 Speaker 1: of speculation, will he won't here? Are we going to 175 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: hear this song? Kendrick did give us a little teaser 176 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: early in the performance and he said. 177 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 2: This, I want to perform their favorite song. But you 178 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:40,479 Speaker 2: know they loved a super. 179 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: Fans were then in overdrive wondering what that meant. But 180 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: he did eventually give them what they wanted and performed 181 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: part of the track, including some of the controversial lyrics, 182 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: but he stopped short of using the word pedophile. 183 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 2: I hear you like make sure you had your bills 184 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 2: system from sort of fun number points Fun, you tie 185 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 2: your trying to strike report, and I'm curious to hear 186 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: what Universal has said about this. I mean, in the 187 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 2: lawsuit that you just spread out, Drake is very clearly 188 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 2: calling out their role, or at least what he alleged 189 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: ess to be their role in all of this. What 190 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 2: has their response been. 191 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting one because, as we've discussed, you know, 192 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: this is a music label that publishes for both artists 193 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: in question here, so tricky and unlike anything I've really 194 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: seen in the public eye. UMG said that it plans 195 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: to fight the lawsuit. It says, quote, Drake has intentionally 196 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: and successfully used Universal to engage in conventionally outrageous back 197 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: and forth rap battles to express his feelings about other artists. 198 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: It said, he now seeks to weaponize the legal process 199 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: to silence an artist's creative expression and to seek damages 200 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: from the label for distributing that artist music. 201 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: Has Drake done other dis tracks about other artists before. 202 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: Yes, Drake is well known throughout his many many years 203 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: of not being shy when it comes to distracks. There 204 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: have been so many artists in the firing line. Even 205 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: some of these distracts about Kendrick have also criticized other artists, 206 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: including The Weekend, so it's not unusual for him as 207 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 1: an artist to use that form of expression. Universal has 208 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: also said, not only are these claims untrue, but the 209 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: notion that we would seek to harm the reputation of 210 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: any artist, let alone Drake, is illogical. It noted the 211 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: label has invested massively to use its words in Drake, 212 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: helping him quote achieve historic commercial and personal financial success. 213 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: We have not and do not, engage in defamation against 214 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: any individual, the statement concluded. Now, coincidentally, Drake is here 215 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: in Australia right now. 216 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: Is he just thought he'd be on a different time 217 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 2: zone to watch the super Bols? Yeah, exactly. 218 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: So, I mean he's away from the chaos in the 219 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: US and the interest in him there. But I'm sure 220 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: local fans are waiting to see what he might have 221 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: to say. He's doing a huge run of stadium shows 222 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: over the next four weeks, so there will be plenty 223 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: of local interest and local attention to see what he 224 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: does next and if this escalates. 225 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 2: Look, it's a really interesting story. And again, you know celebrities, 226 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 2: that's not really our arena, but I think how this 227 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: sort of story interacts with the legal system and the 228 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 2: ramifications and the precedent that might be set. That is 229 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: really what makes this so newsworthy. And you know everyone 230 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 2: is talking about and I now better understand it. So 231 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:35,599 Speaker 2: thanks for explaining that. 232 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: Aam a pleasure. Thank you, and thanks so much for 233 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: listening to this episode of The Daily Hours. 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