1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: Picture this. You're staring at chat GPT, wondering if you're 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: barely scratching the surface of what's possible. Maybe you've dabbled 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,239 Speaker 1: with generating a few emails, or perhaps you're already using 4 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: it daily, but like most of us, there's that nagging 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: feeling you could be doing so much more. At south 6 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: By Southwest, Sydney last year, I remember futurist Brian Johnson 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: dropped a truth bomb that stuck with me. He said, 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: AI is not taking your job. It's a human who 9 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: is using AI who's taking your job. That hit home 10 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: and for the past two years I have been living 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: and breathing jen Ai, making it an essential part of 12 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: my toolkit, and through my consultancy Inventium, I've seen firsthand 13 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: how proper AI training that we've been doing with many 14 00:00:54,520 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 1: of our clients can transform the way people work. That 15 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: is why I'm thrilled to bring you something special over 16 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: the next four tuesdays, I am going to be joined 17 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:13,279 Speaker 1: by Inventium's resident at Genai Guru Neo Applin, and together 18 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: we'll share some game changing tips that will help you 19 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: level up how you use Genai. Just quickly, before we 20 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: get into today's episode if you want to go defilt 21 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: and learn how to work with Ai instead of worrying 22 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: about being replaced by it. I have something that I 23 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: think you will love. But my consultancy Inventium, We've created 24 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: the Genai Productivity System. It's a self paced online course 25 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: designed to help you boost productivity and save literally hours 26 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: every week by using Jenai a whole lot smarter. In 27 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: just a few hours, you'll go from Jenai dabbler to 28 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: Jeni expert with practical tools you can start using immediately. 29 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: Head to inventium dot com, dot au, forward slash Jenai 30 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: to check it out and get started today. Welcome to 31 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: How I Work, a show about habits, rituals, and strategies 32 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: for optimizing your day. I'm your host, doctor Amantha Imber. 33 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: So many people assume that Jenai should just get it 34 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: right from the start. What is the biggest misconception about 35 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: how Ai understands prompts. 36 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: The biggest misconception is actually that Jenai will get it 37 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: right from the start and it will understand exactly what 38 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: you really want to achieve from the words you've actually 39 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: written within that prompt, so it will make an assumption 40 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 2: trying to make it easier for you. So you need 41 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: to give the context behind what you're trying to achieve 42 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 2: and all the backgrounds so it can do a great job. 43 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 2: And so the misconception is unless you that it will 44 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: give that great answer without you giving all that background. 45 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: So there's quite a counterintuitive approach that you said in 46 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: terms of getting Ai to interview us instead of just 47 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: giving it instructions. So can you tell me a bit 48 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: about how this works and why it is so effective. 49 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like using a Jenai like a person. So 50 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: if you've got a work colleague or you've got an 51 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 2: expert you've brought in to do something, you don't just say, hey, 52 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 2: look i'd like you to do this and then just 53 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 2: let them go. There's always a conversation involved, so they're 54 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: asking what you wanted to achieve, what the background is. 55 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: They'll ask you clarifying questions about it. Treating Jenai like 56 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: that expert or like someone within your team changes the 57 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: mindset of you, the person working with Jenai, so that 58 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 2: it'll then have a conversation with you so you can 59 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 2: give the information to it. That way, you don't have 60 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 2: to feel like you're writing a massive tome before you 61 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: put a prompt in so you can say, hey, look, 62 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: ask me as many questions as you need so you 63 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: can do a great job. And then we've got those 64 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: questions going with a conversation going, then it understands the 65 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: background and it'll do a much better because of it. 66 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: So let's take a real world example. Say I'm writing 67 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: a sales email to a prospect. How would you suggest 68 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: that I prompt AI in order to get the best 69 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: results to get this amazing sales email. 70 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So the first thing I do is say, 71 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: these are the goals that I want to achieve with 72 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 2: this sales email. Don't go straight to the sales email 73 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: content itself. The reason for that is that GENAI then 74 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 2: knows loosely what the outcome needs to fulfill, what the 75 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 2: goals that it needs to fulfill are. Then tell it 76 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: what you're wanting to achieve. Look, I want a sales 77 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 2: email with these and these and these information in it. 78 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: And then you'll say, hey, before you do any work, 79 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: don't do any work, But before you do any work, 80 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: what I want you to do is ask me is 81 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 2: many clarifying questions that you need until you're ninety five 82 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 2: percent confident that you can do a job right now, 83 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: people ask me why ninety five percent, And it's about 84 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 2: a problem with English language, Like if you say I 85 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: want you to be kind of confident or mostly confident, 86 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: how confident is that? Whereas if you're really specific and 87 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 2: you're saying ninety five percent confident, it means don't ask 88 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: me a thousand questions, ask me enough questions until you've 89 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: got a good background and you feel very confident you 90 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: can do the job right, So ask me as many 91 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: questions as you as you need so you're ninety five 92 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 2: percent confident in getting the job done well. 93 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: So what kind of questions does the AI tend to 94 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: ask when we use this technique. 95 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 2: It's a blend of kind of one oh one questions 96 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: and really detailed ones, so it's clarifying on the goals 97 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 2: and things like audience and things like that. It'll ask, 98 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: but it will also ask particular specific things about the 99 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: topic you've got. So if it's a sales style example 100 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 2: we're going through, for example, it will ask questions on 101 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 2: the client, the client's problem. It'll may ask questions on 102 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: the budget, even those kind of things, because it wants 103 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 2: to have a full basis of all the background so 104 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: it can give you the best result. 105 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: What happens if the AI asks me a question that 106 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: I just don't know how to answer, what should I do? 107 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, you got two choices there. One is you can 108 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 2: say I'm not sure and that's enough and that's fine, 109 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 2: there's no problems with that. The other one I use 110 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: a lot is I'm not sure, but I would like 111 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 2: some suggestions on different avenues. We can go here, and 112 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: I want you to give me those suggestions, and so 113 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 2: then it'll know that it has another conversation and other 114 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: round of questions and answers for you. 115 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: So is it important to add specific areas for the 116 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: AI to probe, like, you know, around what's my brand 117 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: voice or industry terminology for example. That's up to you. 118 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: I'd say that for probably fifty percent of the time, 119 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: I just say the ninety five percent confidence and that's enough. 120 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: But other times, when I'm working on something very specific, 121 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 2: I will get it to do questions in a very 122 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 2: specific area, particularly if i'm so if it's a deep analysis, 123 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 2: then it might be I want you to ask questions 124 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: in this particular direction so I know that I've got 125 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: the analysis right. So or it might be for writing 126 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 2: it will be very much on the style or tone, 127 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 2: making sure that that matches my audience, those kind of things. 128 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: And is there a limit to how many rounds of 129 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: Q and A we should go through or like, you know, 130 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: because I feel like I could just keep refining and 131 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: refining until we hit that ninety five percent confidence level. 132 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: But how many rounds am I going through? 133 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: Up to you, And it really depends on the work 134 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: you're doing. What I've found is that a lot of 135 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 2: the Jenai will just ask that one round of questions, 136 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 2: you answer it, and then it'll just go great and done. 137 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: What I've found is if I get the responses back 138 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: from the Jenai and I've got a bit of a 139 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: gut feeling that potentially it may not know everything, or 140 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: potentially it might be going in a different direction, what 141 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: I'll do then I'll say, do you have any more questions? 142 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: So it's actually you need to prompt it more to 143 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: ask you questions that it's unlikely that it'll just want 144 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: to ask questions forever and ever. So it's more of 145 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 2: a work hard to get more questions than get fewer. 146 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: Okay, So for someone listening today who wants to try 147 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: this technique, what is one simple way to just get started. 148 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, ask your prompt, and then at the bottom of 149 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: you prompt, just the normal prompt you'd put in, So 150 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: don't worry about the prompt, just do your normal work there, 151 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: and then at the bottom you say, before you respond, 152 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 2: ask me any questions you've got until you're ninety five 153 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 2: percent confident in doing a great job. That's it. 154 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: I love that and I personally use this technique multiple 155 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: times a day. It's completely transformed how I use Jenai. 156 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: So I hope that for people listening that you have 157 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: the confidence now to try and apply this today. If 158 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: you're keen to learn even more Genai tricks and hacks, 159 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: check out Inventium's Genai Productivity System. It's a self faced 160 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: course to transform you from a Jenai dabbler to jenaipro 161 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: in just a few hours. Head to inventium dot com 162 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: a forward slash jnai to check it out and get 163 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: started today. 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