1 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: Hold on to your lashes. The queen has arrived me 2 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: Art Simone and. 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: I have a premonition. 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: I can see it clearly, someone wrapped in a tragic 5 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: beige outfit, a riddle and some hidden sparkle. But you've 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: really got a squint. Oh that's I guess. Ready to 7 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: meet them me too. This is concealed with Art Simone. 8 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 3: Hit it. My name is Tim and I'm currently in Sydney. 9 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 4: My dad lives in the Army, so we moved around 10 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 4: al I went to seven different schools. I have to 11 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 4: say drawing has been my lightsaber growing up because it 12 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 4: was a way of expressing and creating and joining myself 13 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 4: to the world around me. 14 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 3: And I was once an earring. 15 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 4: I'm concealing something about myself that has catched me engine 16 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 4: Australian culture forever. 17 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: Oh well, hello Tim, how are you going in beautiful 18 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: sunny Sydney today? 19 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 4: It is actually a gorgeous winter's sunny day. 20 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: I am very jealous, but look, you've popped onto my 21 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: screen and I have to admit I know exactly who 22 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: you are, but our audience doesn't just yet, So I 23 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: still want to play our regular game that we do 24 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: here at concealed and ask you three questions, and from 25 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: the answers to those three questions, the audience can try 26 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: and work out what it is you are concealing from 27 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: us here today. 28 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: Does that sound all right? 29 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 3: It sounds like a lot of fun, all right. 30 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: So, Tim, the first question I have for you is, 31 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: if you were to be an adamant object, what would 32 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: you be? 33 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: Would it be an earring? 34 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go back to the earring. They're inanimate. 35 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 4: It depends on how fast you're wiggling, whether the very 36 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:13,399 Speaker 4: inanimate or not the old full definition of earring. I mean, 37 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 4: I know for a fact that you are very good 38 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 4: at accessorizing your beautiful face. But back in the day, 39 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 4: a pair of male dancers either side of a drag 40 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 4: queen were called ear rings. 41 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: Oh no, that is news to me. Boys don't get 42 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: up and dance with drag queens anymore. 43 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: I tell you what. 44 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: There's not enough for him on our tiny stages. But 45 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: I do like that term. So you used to be 46 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: a dancer, Okay, all right? Do you still like to 47 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: wiggle it? 48 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 3: Well? Yeah I do. 49 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 4: I have to get my zimmer frame out these days, 50 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 4: but yeah, sure, I haven't been an ewring for a 51 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 4: long time. 52 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 3: I'm more of a necklace, a pearl necklace. 53 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: All right, all right, right? 54 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: Question number two, If you were to name a cockt 55 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: what would it be? 56 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 4: It would be such a giveaway though. It would be 57 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 4: a cock on a rock in a frock. 58 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: Oh okay, Oh, I wonder what that could allude to. 59 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: It's a mystery. 60 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: Maybe you're really into bouldering, who knows, or maybe into fowl. 61 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: You could be really into chickens, who knows? Okay. 62 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: And the third question I have for you is how 63 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: would you want to leave this earth? 64 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: We get a bit metaphorical, a little bit deep. 65 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 4: Let's just say that when that moment comes, whether I'm 66 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 4: being crushed, a tire is going over my head, a 67 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 4: bus tire, I will leave this earth happy knowing that 68 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 4: I've contributed something to Australia's identity. 69 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's recap Tim. What clues have you given 70 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: the audience here today? Used to be an ear ring akay, 71 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: a dancer with the drag queens. And if you were 72 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: to be run over by a bus, I would die happy. 73 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: Oh I'll tell you what. It's really difficult to piece 74 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: these things together. A bus, a cock, and a frock 75 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: and a rock you know, a drag queen's drag bags. 76 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: So hard I wonder what it could be. 77 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: Well, I think I know, but I think we're gonna 78 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: throw it back to you to announce your official title 79 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: of what you're concealing from us here today. 80 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 4: My name is Tim Chapel, and I'm the costume designer 81 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 4: from the Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert, made 82 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety four. 83 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's mister Tim Chapel, icon lension superstar costumey a designer. 84 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 2: Ah you, I'm so excited to speak to you. 85 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: This has been the best surprise I've had in a 86 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: very long time because your work has impacted so many lives, careers, 87 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: artists across the world for the last three decades. And ah, 88 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: I want to pick your little brain, mister Tim Chapple. 89 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 3: Ooh, pick away, pick away. My brain is open, ready 90 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 3: and waiting for picking. 91 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: Oh good, because I do have my best nails on, 92 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: so I will be digging deep. Let's start with what 93 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: you led with, which is Priscilla, Queen of the Desert, 94 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,559 Speaker 1: an iconic Australian film. The I would say, in my eyes, 95 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: the pinnacle of drag representation in the mainstream, especially for 96 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: our beautiful drag community here. 97 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: How did you get started on it? Where did it happen? 98 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 4: Well, look, I just I want to just correct a 99 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 4: little bit of what you just said. I didn't invent 100 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 4: the look. I just channeled it. That look already existed 101 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 4: in Sydney in the early nineties because back then there 102 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 4: wasn't internet, there weren't cell phones, and Sydney was this 103 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 4: gorgeous melting part of the most incredible, incredible creativity fashion, 104 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 4: music and the drag scene was phenomenal. And I just 105 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 4: was in the drag scene making stuff for people like 106 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 4: Greedy and Cyndy Pastel and Banina Bards, and I just 107 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 4: channeled that look into the film and it made me. 108 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 4: It did very well for me, And yes I did. 109 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 4: I did influence a lot, because I'm a genius. 110 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 3: There's no denying that part. 111 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 4: But going totally off track, what I find really fascinating 112 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 4: now is how RuPaul's Drag Race has done this big 113 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 4: that taken a very very big circle around and now 114 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 4: the people who do well on RuPaul's Drag Race embody 115 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 4: that that, you know what I mean, they do drag. 116 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 4: That's interesting that's got character, that's telling stories. 117 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 3: It's not just about being pretty. 118 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 4: There's nothing wrong with being pretty, but pretty and interesting 119 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 4: it's going to get you way further. 120 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: Going back to Priscilla, So you were making costumes at 121 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: the time for the Queens in Sydney Showbags. Yeah, ah, 122 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: so I didn't know this part actually, So you were 123 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: working with this community of queens around you. So then 124 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: how do you get the call to start working on 125 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: the film. 126 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 4: Well, Stephen Elliott like the costumes I've been doing for 127 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 4: the show Bags, and he knew how it'd be cheap 128 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 4: because I can sew and you and you needed somebody 129 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 4: to do drag. 130 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 3: So he found me through friends and we did it. 131 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 4: That was my first I mean, I've been working as 132 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,239 Speaker 4: an assistant designer on various TV shows like E Street. 133 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: Was my first job as a designer and boil up. 134 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 2: How old were you at the time? 135 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 4: I was twenty four. I was twenty five when I 136 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 4: won the Oscar. 137 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: Jeez jeezz jeez, oh my god, I feel like I've 138 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: already lost my crime now I'm way past that. 139 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: What have I got left? 140 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: Oh? 141 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 3: No, I was so unprepared. I wouldn't wish it on anybody. 142 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 4: It was kind of I went from being an Aubrey 143 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 4: bartender who made a bit of drag on the side 144 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 4: to winning an Oscar. 145 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 3: I was not prepared. It was very fast growing experience. 146 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can only imagine. So what was it like 147 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: putting together this film? Did you think it was going 148 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: to go anywhere? Did you know that it was going 149 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: to be such a big hit or were you just 150 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: taking each day? 151 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 4: You know? Well, I was kind of lucky. So we 152 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 4: started a film there. I've got a studio. They gave 153 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 4: me a studio in what was actually the boil Is 154 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 4: to Show, which it was back then, which is now 155 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 4: Fox Studios. And then the film lost is funding, but 156 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 4: I still had my studio, so I actually ended up 157 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 4: having about eight months to make things. So I just 158 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 4: kept making and making and remaking and redoing and remaking, 159 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 4: and as you know, anything that you've got time to 160 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 4: work on, just get staying around David and better. But 161 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 4: you know, I'm shound to bit up my own ass. 162 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 4: But there was a couple of moments where I looked 163 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 4: at stuff and O and no one's ever seen any 164 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 4: of this before I. 165 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: Could get nominated. I could get nominated for a logan. 166 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: See, that's still the pinnacle for me. That is still 167 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: the ultimate goal. One day I want one of those 168 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: little suckers. I don't care about the other ones. That 169 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: is the absolute camper for me. I want one of those. 170 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 3: I've seen you on telor you're good on teling. 171 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: I think let the Logi people know, please put in 172 00:09:55,640 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: a good word please. So you're working, you're designing all 173 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: these looks, and then do you get to you travel 174 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: with the film, right, you go out into the upback, 175 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: you're there while it's all happening. 176 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 3: Oh yeah. 177 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 4: It was such a wild experience because I've never seen 178 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 4: any of Australia, especially not that part of Australia. 179 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: So it was this huge adventure. 180 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 4: And everybody was around the same age as me except 181 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 4: for Terns, and they just did a bunch of idiots 182 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 4: traveling across Australia making this film and we were having 183 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 4: we were all very invested in what we were doing, 184 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 4: but having the best time. And I think that translates 185 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 4: onto film. I think somehow you're able to read that, 186 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 4: and I think that's one of the. 187 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 3: Reasons the film did so well. 188 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 4: It's that there's love and joy that goes beyond and 189 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 4: somehow attaches itself to the actual film. 190 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: Will you talk about some of the inspiration for the 191 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: looks that from Priscilla? Obviously came from all the queens 192 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: around you and stuff that you working on, But are 193 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: there any particular inspirations, like where do you suddenly decide 194 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: you're going to make a dress out of thongs? Where 195 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: do you decide you're going to create some of these 196 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: really wacky looks that have stood the test of time 197 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: and I still replicated to this day. 198 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 4: Paka Rabhan did a whole series of dresses in the 199 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 4: sixties that we're called the Unwearable Collection and now things 200 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 4: like plastic discs or plastic squares, and I was like, 201 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 4: oh my god, there's a shopping scene. He should wear 202 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 4: a dress made out of credit cards. And so we 203 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 4: approached everybody. 204 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 3: We approached all. 205 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 4: The credit card companies. We even approached Target to see 206 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 4: if they would give us one of their lay by gods, 207 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 4: and everyone said no. But my mum worked at Target 208 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 4: and I was visiting her and she was like, I've 209 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 4: got to carry this box of thongs and I was. 210 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 3: Like, do you say guns? 211 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 4: Oh my god, the colors are perfect and we've got dogs, 212 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 4: and we've got them with my mum's discount which made 213 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 4: that dress cost about eighteen dollars. 214 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: Which you could not replicate this day, and a lot 215 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: of drag queens try to and it's impossible. So that 216 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: kind of touches on something which I'd like to talk about. 217 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: Was there a lot of pushback when you were trying 218 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: to produce this film where you know, you say that 219 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: target didn't want to help you, These people didn't want 220 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: to help you. Was it because it was such a 221 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: queer film, people a bit hesitant to even be associated 222 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: with it. 223 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, one hundred percent. 224 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 4: It was a little obscure Australian film about drag queens, 225 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 4: and back then drag queens, even though we had, like 226 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 4: we had people on TV doing drag in Australia, it 227 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 4: was just not it wasn't we know that being gay 228 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 4: was still illegal? 229 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 3: Well, I think it may just become. 230 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 4: Illegal in like the early nineteens, and gay was weird 231 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 4: and also we were going through the Aide crisis, so 232 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 4: we were weird and we were poisonous. 233 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: But it really stood the test of time and the triumphant, 234 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: you know, victory that you all had in creating that 235 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 1: film as something just so incredible. And I've had the 236 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: opportunity to interview a lot of drag artists that were 237 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: around during the time that Priscilla was being produced and 238 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: when it came out, and there's obviously lots of different 239 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: mixed stories that I hear from, depending how bitter some 240 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: people are. But the big through line is how incredible 241 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: Priscilla was for visibility for the queer community, visibility for 242 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: the drag artists, and on top of that, created so 243 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: many new opportunities for all of these people and really 244 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: demystified the drag community and the queer community to the 245 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: larger world. 246 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 3: They were people. 247 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it was a film about people who happened 248 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 4: to do drag and they were not really well formed tep. 249 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 4: You know, the characters were deligiously made. And I love 250 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 4: that one had kid. I mean, I've got it's based 251 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 4: on Ritual fingers life story, and I know he's a 252 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 4: bit bigger about it, and so it should be, because 253 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 4: it would be so hard to see your life story 254 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 4: made into this internationally successful film. But I hope that 255 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 4: he feels touched that his life story also changed lives 256 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 4: of I'm serious it's changed the lives of thousands of people. 257 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 2: No, I completely agree. 258 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: And on top of that, it's also thrown a spotlight 259 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: back on people like Cindy Pastel and the drag community 260 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: at the time, and now that people are really interested 261 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: to find out even more about them and the community 262 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: and what was going on while he was working on Priscilla. 263 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: It sounds like the most glamorous thing in the world. 264 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: You know, you had your own studio, you got to 265 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: be on the road. But tell me what was it 266 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: actually like? You know, how did you know? How did 267 00:14:58,640 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: you get paid? 268 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 3: Was scruffy shit. 269 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 4: One of the wonderful things was the producers were very 270 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 4: egalitarian and we go to share of the film. Lizzy 271 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 4: and I got to share. The caterer even got to share. 272 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 4: And it's kind of towards the end of when that happens, 273 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 4: but now the only people who get points on a 274 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 4: film at the producers and the leads. So it was 275 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,239 Speaker 4: it was scruffy as ship making. It was so scruffy 276 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 4: we got out there. They got us the cheapest possible 277 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 4: wardrobe truck, which was a mister Whippie Van, and mister 278 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 4: Whippie Van shat itself just outside of Lake Eyre. Because 279 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 4: I'd hot flued half the dresses together, they all melted 280 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 4: into one giant lunth. 281 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: Oh they would yeah. 282 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 4: And the only other vand available was the top of 283 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 4: the line, mezzanine level gorgeous, brand new trailer. So I 284 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 4: had to sit in there and remake everything in my 285 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 4: condition comforts with my lovely music, and Lizzie had to 286 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 4: be on set with the flies in the face. 287 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: Oh, oh my god, the flies out there. 288 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: I can only imagine. 289 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: I've done some gigs over the years out in those 290 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: desolate parts, and there foul, foul, the foul. 291 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 4: I'll never forget the time that ter Bernadette got aff 292 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 4: got a fly stuff between his real Eila. Oh no, 293 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 4: It's like a venus fly trapper got stuck in. 294 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: It was like, oh, is there any other crazy Atlantish 295 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: stories from working on the film. 296 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 4: Oh my lord, it never ends. There's so many that. 297 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 4: I mean, I could go forever, I look. Honestly, I 298 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 4: think the biggest victory I had was the silver bustop area, 299 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 4: and nearly didn't happen. 300 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 3: First we tested it. 301 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 4: I'd made another one in SYDNEYA and it was shit, 302 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 4: And I went to the producers and I said it's 303 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 4: not really very build. 304 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 3: And they said, well, what can we do? And I 305 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 3: was like, I need every meter. 306 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 4: Of silver army in Australia and I got it out 307 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 4: like two days later. I had like two hundred meters 308 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 4: of silver army and I cut holding on the bias. Yeah, 309 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 4: so that when it was up blobing along behind the bus, 310 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 4: I figured, if it's cut on the bias, it's not 311 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 4: going to tear as easily and it will catch the air. Anyway, 312 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 4: cut to five forty five in the morning. Buses set 313 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 4: up guys on top of the bus. We've rigged the 314 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 4: silver Lamay and I you know, lined it up down 315 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 4: the road and the bus takes off and the lamae 316 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 4: just goes across the brown and nothing, and I'm like, 317 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 4: oh god, down and steps like research research. 318 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 3: So I run over, dragged pull the lame back out 319 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 3: and we do it again in the same result, but 320 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 3: a look at the work. 321 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 4: This is the safety opposite comes over to me and says, Jim, 322 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 4: I'm really sorry to tell you this, but you're going 323 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 4: to have to cut it off because you get caught 324 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 4: in the back axle. And okay, So with a heavy 325 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 4: heart and her head hung low, and my big scissors 326 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 4: marched over to pick up the lamade to cut it, 327 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 4: and right at that second, a great, big gust wind 328 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 4: picks it all out of my hands, and Stephan's like 329 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 4: queen Queen weld camera and we got the shot. 330 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 2: And what a bloody great shot it is. 331 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 3: I'm so proud, I'm so proud. 332 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 4: Credible, and I think the thing that that shot in 333 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 4: particular is what really grabs everybody because it just expresses 334 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 4: such freedom and everyone can relate. 335 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 2: To that look. 336 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: I could talk for hours about the impact of Priscilla 337 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: and how it is still inspiring so many people to 338 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: this day. It's the story is timeless, which is wonderful, 339 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: but also so a little bit sad that it's still 340 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: so relatable in terms of where we've come in thirty years, 341 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: Like have we actually moved on enough? Have we actually progressed? 342 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: Because I feel like we're backtracking in the current climate. 343 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 1: But it is nice that this film still exists, you know. 344 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 3: Well, we're working on too now. Ooh yeah. 345 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 4: And it's also very important and kind of dangerous and punk, 346 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 4: and it's about old gage and old transsexuals and what 347 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 4: happens to us now, But all old show girls deserve 348 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 4: our happy endings, and that's so exciting. 349 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: Coming up, we find out what Tim really thinks about 350 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: RuPaul's Drag Race and what he thinks about the current 351 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: state of camp costuming in the country. So here with 352 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: Tim Chappel, the costume designer from The Adventures Priscilla, Queen 353 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: of the Desert. Now, Tim, I want to go back 354 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,719 Speaker 1: to RuPaul's drag Race for a moment. I feel like, 355 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: for me personally, there was a kind of moment in 356 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: history where drag did kind of lose its fun. It 357 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: became about either looking as feminine as possible so it 358 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: could be unclockable, or it wasn't as effervescent as camp. Well, 359 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: I think we lost a lot of the CAMPERI for 360 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: a while, and I feel like that was because of 361 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: something like drag race, because that's what was being celebrated 362 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: at the time. But it's inspiring to hear that you 363 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: do think that's coming back round again because that's my 364 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 1: favorite type of drag. 365 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 4: You know, drag was dangerous and it was a chance 366 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 4: to be outrageous and then chance to express sexual politics 367 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 4: and state of people fucked up brains on the inside 368 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 4: and risky people took risks, and I think people are 369 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 4: less likely to take risks these days. They want to 370 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 4: be entertaining and do Ariana Grande. 371 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: That being said, there's some great costumes in Wicked, so 372 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: if they're doing that version, that's fine by me. 373 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. But and I'm sure she's great too. 374 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 4: I reckon, I reckon, Ariana Grande would love to do 375 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 4: something that's a bit more risky. 376 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think too. 377 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: I think Drag Too has become kind of like a 378 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: piercing contest of how much money you can spend on something, 379 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: whereas I feel like the Roots used to be a 380 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,239 Speaker 1: lot more creative on the source material of where you're 381 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: grabbing materials from you and everything. And that does kind 382 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: of bring back into some of the work on Priscilla. 383 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: But I remember talking to maud Boat, who you obviously 384 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: know is one of the most incredible wig makers. 385 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, she taught me how to make a head. 386 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, she was telling me how the story of 387 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: her phone wigs came around and she was pulling, you know, 388 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: styrofoam boxes off the side of the road with chicken 389 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: wire and a fork and making magic happen. 390 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 3: Fucking chicken wire. Oh my god. 391 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 4: You know I made parents damn believe with mord taught 392 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 4: chicken wire headdress. He came down of Kings Canyon and 393 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 4: he said, Tim, I'm a little bit itchy just here, 394 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 4: and as you pointed to his. 395 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 3: Forage, a bead of blood ran down his place. Bucket 396 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 3: chicken wire. We don't use chicken wire anymore, thanks Mardie. 397 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 2: So yeah, we definitely have evolved in some aspects. 398 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: But some of my favorite drag these days still is 399 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: where it is isn't about you know, how expensive the 400 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: materials are. It's about the concept or where things have 401 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: come from. And I really hope that that style of 402 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: drag can still find its place in this world of 403 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: drag race and beyond. 404 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it has got a place, because the thing 405 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 4: is is when you've got no money money, you have 406 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 4: to be inventive. And when you're forced to be inventive, 407 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 4: it makes you super creative. And you know, style doesn't 408 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 4: cost anything. You can be ultra stylish and had a 409 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 4: year month the. 410 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 2: Other The question I want to ask you before before 411 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 2: we go is can you rate my look? 412 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 3: Well? I love that you took an old Russian lady's 413 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 3: dress and then. 414 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 4: Shredded it and then put it on your blocks sheer 415 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 4: black plat shoes. And I love that you mask their 416 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 4: hot glue marks with winestones. 417 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 3: It's perfect. 418 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 2: See that's all the secrets. 419 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 3: Your eye makeup is really sensational to that. 420 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, thank you very much. I'll take it. 421 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: Might not get a costume compliment, but I'll take the 422 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: makeup compliment. 423 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 5: Oh no, hang on. Note what I was saying may 424 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 5: have sound neerchie, but I don't mean that. It's a 425 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 5: pinnacle of mock to Croc is what you've got on. 426 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. 427 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: One of my favorite things to do with drag is 428 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: I'll just sometimes I might be in a two dollar shop, 429 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: or i might be in a random gift store and 430 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: I'll just see a whole bunch of one item and 431 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: I go, I need them all. I don't know what 432 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do, but I'm gonna make a head dress. 433 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna make a dress. So we're gonna do something. 434 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: And that's dragged to me. 435 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 2: I love it. 436 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 3: That is the pinnacle of mock to Kroock is doing that. 437 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: It's spot that you go, I know what that could 438 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: be I tell you, I still have tubs of random 439 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: objects and items from all over the years, being like no, 440 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: I'll use it one day, and I do. 441 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:22,959 Speaker 2: I go back to them. 442 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: So my hoarder tendencies are always encouraged, which is a 443 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: terrible thing to say to a drag queen, but hey, 444 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: if the. 445 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 3: Shoe fits you, put the whore in. 446 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 2: However, I do guilty as charge. 447 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: That was Tim, an Australian icon who can almost dress 448 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: as well as I can. 449 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 3: Not. 450 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: Every day you get two of the best dressed icons 451 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: sitting in one studio. 452 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 2: I know you want to check us out. 453 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 4: Do it. 454 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 2: The socials are waiting for you the 455 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: Next Produced by Indianna Symons Lost in Sound