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Speaker 1: It's time for the week. That was very pleased to say.

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Speaker 1: That's in the studio with us this morning. We've got

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Speaker 1: the Attorney General of the Northern Territory, Marie Claire booth Be,

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you. We've got the Speaker of the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territories Legislative Assembly, Robin Lambley, Good morning to you.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Katie and Robin also of course the Independent

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Speaker 1: member Ferara. Look good to have you in the studio.

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Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News Darwin, good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: And on the line live from Catherine, the Opposition leader

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Speaker 1: Selena Rubo.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Good morning, Katy, good morning.

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Speaker 1: Lovely to have you on the show.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: I tell you what, there is a lot to discuss

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Speaker 1: this week, and territorians absolutely furious after we learned yesterday

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Speaker 1: that a teenager charged over an incident that left an

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Speaker 1: run after being granted bail to attend a funeral. Now

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Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News obviously breaking this story that

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Speaker 1: the seventeen year old male was given bail on Monday

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Speaker 1: so he could attend a relative's funeral in the remote

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory community of Lajamanu. As I understand it now,

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Speaker 1: members from the Fugitive Task Force arrested that youth around

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Speaker 1: midday yesterday, so they recaptured him. Well, he's been remanded

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Speaker 1: in custody as I understand it now, and expected to

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Speaker 1: the teenager was flown to the community on Wednesday on

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Speaker 1: Families and Communities, at a cost to taxpayers of more

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Speaker 1: than seven thousand dollars. But after attending that funeral, he absconded. Now,

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Speaker 1: I've got to tell you, I don't think that I

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Speaker 1: a short period of time in a long time as

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Speaker 1: what I did yesterday. People were absolutely furious, first off,

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Speaker 1: that so somebody involved in such a terrible situation to

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Speaker 1: There's just so many aspects of this story that blow

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Speaker 1: your mind. Attorney General. I'll go to you first. What

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Speaker 1: was your reaction when you learned that this teenager had

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Speaker 5: Katie. I can absolutely understand the outrage from the community

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Speaker 5: about this. It doesn't pass any kind of tests, and

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Speaker 5: I can't speak to the specifics because I am the

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Speaker 5: is this is yet another example of a broken system

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Speaker 5: that we have. You know, we went to the election

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Speaker 5: on you know, to reduce crime and was voted in

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Speaker 5: overwhelming to make changes. And the first one of the

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Speaker 5: families back in the day to the correction system. And

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Speaker 5: now the next stage is actually working with the Youth

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Speaker 5: keep strengthening the laws these otherwise, you know, defense lawyers

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Speaker 5: and other people will find ways to, you know, find

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Speaker 2: Ask a question about the laws because you change the

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Speaker 2: presumption of bail. And I know I've asked you this

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Speaker 2: desired effect because in this case the DPP opposed bail.

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Speaker 2: My understanding is the Department opposed bail, and yet the

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Speaker 2: if if it's opposed by the DPP and it's opposed

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Speaker 5: And that's with the strengthening of the laws. That's where

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Speaker 5: we need to look at both the Bail Act and

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Speaker 5: In fact, they water down.

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Speaker 2: The law confirming. You are envisaging us getting to a

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Speaker 2: You've got this prior offending. You've you know, you've ticked

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Speaker 5: We will keep working through all of that legislation to

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Speaker 1: I think there needs to be because the fact is here,

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Speaker 5: We've been in for six months and we're having to

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Speaker 1: Years, and this situation is just unbelievable. Like, it's absolutely

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Speaker 1: unbelievable in terms of who paid this seven thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I've got the actual figure seven thousand, six hundred

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Speaker 1: Of Children and Family, so it came out of there.

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Speaker 2: Well, I can only be lodge.

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Speaker 5: I don't have the actual facts of that one. I

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Speaker 2: That's a good question. They're not being met, are they No.

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Speaker 5: the judges have to make decisions a little.

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Speaker 4: Bit further than that. I mean, okay, the judge decided

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Speaker 4: You've got a long way to go, Maurray Claire. I

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Speaker 4: that that's important. No, what's important is that the community

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Speaker 1: The thing that struck me, right is I think to myself,

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Speaker 1: if I can't afford to go to a funeral, I

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Speaker 4: We all don't go to funerals because we can't afford it.

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Speaker 1: So how do we in a situation that's right? So

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Speaker 4: This is nuts.

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Speaker 2: And not only that, if you look at the actual

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Speaker 2: I mean, there really needs to be a full blown investigation.

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Speaker 1: Listeners were saying yesterday, heads need to roll over this.

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Speaker 1: That's the expectation of the community right now, right So

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Speaker 1: my question to you, Attorney General is what mechanisms are

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Speaker 1: right now, even people are messaging through saying Katie, can

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Katie, it's a a question, and I think like

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Speaker 5: all of those things that happened with not only beforehand,

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Speaker 5: the specifics around that from that particular department, but what

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Speaker 5: we know is that things aren't right. They're a mess.

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Speaker 5: The community is outraged and rightfully so, and that we

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Speaker 5: as Attorney General, I will continue to look through all

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Speaker 5: hold it, hold it apartments.

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Speaker 2: What are the consequences? And I know there's a separation.

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Speaker 4: There's a separation of power. But Marie Claire booed me,

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Speaker 4: the Attorney General cannot tell the judiciary what to do.

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Speaker 4: That's the seption.

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Speaker 2: You can change, so that change.

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Speaker 4: But she cannot sanction or hold judges to account for

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Speaker 2: Because this is I mean, this is the sort of

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Speaker 2: perverse thing, isn't it, Because if you stuff something up,

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Speaker 2: or you stuff something up, you've got to stand up

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Speaker 4: But judges don't accountabilities.

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Speaker 1: Selena, I'm keen to get your take on this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: were you as shocked as the rest of us when

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Katie, I think absolute shock and outrage is what

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Speaker 3: That's I think the clear message that I'm getting around

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Speaker 4: These things take time, and what I will say, going

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Speaker 1: So what I'm being told is that the Supreme Court

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Speaker 4: But a judge doesn't get to decide how governments spend

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Speaker 2: I think the point you were making before is a

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Speaker 4: Dosters need to assert their power and their control. They

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Speaker 4: Public service has been running the Northern Territory for the

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Speaker 1: Well, I tell you right now, you know, people are

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Katie and all of you make very good points,

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Speaker 5: Six months in and eight years of watering down the

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Speaker 1: All right, we're going to take a really quick break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was well, if you've just

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Speaker 1: morning by the Attorney General Maray Claire Boothby. We've also

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Speaker 1: News and the Opposition Leader Selina Rubo. Now in some

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Speaker 1: Private Hospital. This is coming into play from the seventeenth

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Speaker 1: of April. The news has been incredibly distressing for a

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Speaker 1: lot of people. Steve Edgington this morning the Health Minister

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Speaker 1: Now these include a luxury post natal maternity retreat. New

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Speaker 1: but if you have any complications whatsoever, you're certainly not

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Speaker 1: going to be booking into a hotel for a start.

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Speaker 1: I mean for new mums having issues you know, and

441
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Speaker 1: needing to see a lack date specialist, all sorts of

442
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Speaker 1: things like, there's a lot of difficulties in this space.

443
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Speaker 1: It's really not as simple as you know, as what

444
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Speaker 1: those you know that some may realize. I'm trying to

445
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Speaker 1: think of the right words. But it's also you know,

446
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Speaker 1: like this is a loss in so many ways.

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Speaker 4: It's a massive loss to Darwin, but the implications are

448
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Speaker 4: far beyond that. You're talking about the top end of

449
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Speaker 4: town who go to the Darwin private Hospital to have

450
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Speaker 4: their babies, partners of or professional people, politicians. You're talking

451
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Speaker 4: about people who pay that extra money for the privacy

452
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Speaker 4: and the luxury, and that will have implications the fact

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Speaker 4: that that no longer exists going forward, it will affect

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Speaker 4: the economic growth of of Darwin, sorry, the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 4: It has such far reaching implication.

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Speaker 2: Trouble speaking, I think that's absolutely true. Though it's a

457
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Speaker 2: really good point and it probably hasn't been covered as

458
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Speaker 2: much in the discussion around this issue. Defense is the

459
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Speaker 2: other one. You know, most Defense women would have their

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Speaker 2: babies at the private hospital, and one of the issues

461
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Speaker 2: that saw when the five seven Raar was split up

462
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Speaker 2: and the seven RAI was sent to Adelaide. One of

463
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Speaker 2: the issues back then was the fact that Defense was

464
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Speaker 2: having difficulty getting the partners of soldiers to stay in Darwin,

465
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Speaker 2: So that's not going to now that now that has

466
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Speaker 2: been joined again, but that's not going to help when

467
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Speaker 2: it comes to that situation. There has been a significant

468
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Speaker 2: drop off, like there was seven hundred or ten years ago,

469
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Speaker 2: it was seven hundred births a year at Darwin Private

470
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Speaker 2: and it's down to about three hundred now. So clearly

471
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Speaker 2: they've made a financial decision, but the impacts are going

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Speaker 2: to be far reaching. The pressure on the public hospital,

473
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Speaker 2: the population shoes, the staff issues, this is just a massive,

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Speaker 2: massive blow.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Selena, you're probably the one who's most

476
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Speaker 1: recently had above. I'm not sure which you know, which

477
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Speaker 1: hospital you went through, which service you went through, but

478
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Speaker 1: there's no doubt women deserve options, right.

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Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, Katie. I think that's why it's such a

480
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Speaker 3: sad announcement for many, not just territory women, but families

481
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Speaker 3: and expectant mothers. To lose that choice of maternity care

482
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Speaker 3: is very it is quite stressful and it's a huge

483
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Speaker 3: part of life obviously in the cycle in having a

484
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Speaker 3: baby and being able to choose your care, and we

485
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Speaker 3: want to have your care should absolutely be available to

486
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Speaker 3: Territory women and we're not going to see that opportunity

487
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Speaker 3: of choice now, particularly in the top end. So I

488
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Speaker 3: think the decision is very far reaching and impacting, and

489
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Speaker 3: you know, we're very keen to see what the Health

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Speaker 3: Minister is working on. It sounds like he knew of

491
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Speaker 3: the decision before and everyone found out all together yesterday.

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Speaker 3: So what's going to happen to those families. How are

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Speaker 3: we going to see an opportunity for more care, choice

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Speaker 3: of maternity in the future for territory women and their families.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of people are going to be in

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Speaker 3: a bit of a headspin about this, Katie, because we

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Speaker 3: do have the right to have maternity care and choice

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Speaker 3: here in the nty.

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Speaker 4: Well, we don't have it anywhere else apart from Darwin,

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Speaker 4: I have to say. I mean, if you live in

501
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Speaker 4: TenneT Creek, you've got to go to Alice Springs to

502
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Speaker 4: have your babies. But look what this opened up for me,

503
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Speaker 4: in my mind, was a whole argument around how money

504
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Speaker 4: has been spent in the Northern Territory over the last

505
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Speaker 4: eight years. We've got galleries, we've got more museums, more

506
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Speaker 4: car parks, beautiful roads in Darwin. Darwin's looking spectacular, but

507
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Speaker 4: our hospitals are crap and we need a major commitment

508
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Speaker 4: to upgrading all our hospitals so people want to come

509
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Speaker 4: here and live, and that includes birthing facilities, obstetric obstetric

510
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Speaker 4: facilities across the board. I mean the people who are

511
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Speaker 4: going to be disappointed and not being able to birth

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Speaker 4: at the Darwin Private Hospital, yes, I feel for them,

513
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Speaker 4: but it goes far beyond that. And also I'd like

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Speaker 4: to acknowledge the staff. They are devastated. A very good

515
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Speaker 4: friend of mine found out yesterday morning at eight o'clock

516
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Speaker 4: that she no longer has a position there.

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Speaker 1: And it's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking for the staff. And Robin,

518
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Speaker 1: you touch on a really good point there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we do need serious investment into infrastructure across our hospitals,

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Speaker 1: right across the Northern Territory. I actually got Center video

521
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Speaker 1: by one of our listeners, Derby in the Dew earlier

522
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Speaker 1: in the week. He's in hospital at the moment, or

523
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Speaker 1: he was with a chest infection after having COVID and

524
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Speaker 1: the poor bugger is in a room right where there

525
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Speaker 1: is like He's Center video where there is literally a

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Speaker 1: portable I'm assuming like an air conditioner. This massive like

527
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Speaker 1: you know, this massive kind of pipe making all this

528
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Speaker 1: noise next to his beat. I get that they're trying

529
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Speaker 1: to cool it down. And it's not a it's certainly

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Speaker 1: not a criticism of the management or of the staff.

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Speaker 4: At the hospital.

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Speaker 1: To do with the infrastructure is so aging that you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're in there, your crook as a dog and

534
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Speaker 1: then you've got something like that, you know, be like

535
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Speaker 1: banging away next to you while you're trying to sleep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got to. We've got a brand new hospital

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Speaker 2: at Parmston with the maternity unit that's never used.

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Speaker 1: That's astonishing.

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Speaker 2: Just for a bit of background, I don't closed the

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Speaker 2: Parmesan Hospital Marricle. It will not be a good political decision.

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Speaker 5: I know the Minister for Health has been out to

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Speaker 5: the Palmson Hospital and the Royal day In Hospital and

543
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Speaker 5: walking through several times. Because you're right, Robin, the upstate

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Speaker 5: about hospitals is an absolute disarrayed ordinary at best. I've

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Speaker 5: been up there a number of times visiting people who

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Speaker 5: are up there and it is, Katie, it's horrendous, you know,

547
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Speaker 5: and there's so much work that needs to be done

548
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Speaker 5: there and an investment into those things.

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Speaker 4: But we've got galleries, amused park oh last eight years.

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Speaker 5: Who knows where they were sitting, because they certainly went

551
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Speaker 5: investing in our hospitals, and unfortunately this new.

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Speaker 3: Hospital built Murray Claire, well, get your eyes closed when

553
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Speaker 3: you're walking around Parmason.

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Speaker 5: You didn't even open up half of the services.

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Speaker 2: This is I mean, you know that goes back. Both

556
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Speaker 2: sides of politics and federal and territory are responsible for

557
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: that white elephant, you know, like John L. Frank was

558
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Speaker 2: turning the side and then unturning it if you remember

559
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Speaker 2: back in the day. So you know, I think we

560
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Speaker 2: can all take a bit of ownership over that decision.

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Speaker 4: One new hospital in like forty years. Oh absolutely, but

562
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Speaker 4: we're doing well.

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Speaker 2: That was like we should have like back you know,

564
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Speaker 2: in twenty ten. Instead of doing that, we should have

565
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Speaker 2: had a plan to build a brand new, big hospital.

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Speaker 4: I've been calling for a new Alice Springs hospital for

567
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Speaker 4: ten years, ten years, and everyone's ignored me.

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Speaker 1: So look, I've just got a message you from one

569
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Speaker 1: of our listeners actually, who's just said, good morning, Katie.

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Speaker 1: We would do to have our baby in June this year.

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Speaker 1: We've been told by our health insurance should we choose

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Speaker 1: to now go into state change obstetrician, et cetera. We'll

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Speaker 1: get two hundred dollars for a flight and one hundred

574
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Speaker 1: dollars for accommodation. How we expected to keep professionals like

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Speaker 1: ourselves in the Northern Territory. If we can't have basic

576
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Speaker 1: choices for a capital city, it makes you want to

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Speaker 1: move and not come back, says Ralph.

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Speaker 2: Where are they flying for two hundred dollars? It's a

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Speaker 2: bachelor definitely.

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Speaker 1: The health insurance never caught a flight out of the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory. If they think that's how much a goss?

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Speaker 4: I think that absolutely exemplifies what the point of the

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Speaker 4: main implication of this is all our professional people will

584
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Speaker 4: think twice about staying here and having that fan.

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Speaker 1: Well, another one coming through A and Pamo says good morning, Katie.

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Speaker 1: The E and T clinic had four doctors. I was

587
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Speaker 1: told on Wednesday there's now only one. There's a doctor

588
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: flown in from New Zealand for two weeks every month.

589
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Speaker 1: How shit is our health here? Says A And look

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Speaker 1: that's you know this is the thing right. Healthcare is

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Speaker 1: a fundamental for everybody I know.

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Speaker 4: Museums are far more important Katie, you know that.

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Speaker 1: Selena, what do you make of those comments of course

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Speaker 1: by Robin there and also being made by the Attorney

595
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Speaker 1: General about the museums because you were the health minister.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's something that the government that you were

597
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Speaker 1: part of obviously chose to invest in rather than the

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Speaker 1: health infrastructure.

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Speaker 3: Well, Katie, when we have good infrastructure, we also need

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Speaker 3: to support the professional pathways and making sure that we've

601
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Speaker 3: got those really keen and important health professionals and those

602
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Speaker 3: different pathways into the health profession So I know there's

603
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 3: been talk around feeling for the staff, but we also

604
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: need to make sure we've got more health professionals here

605
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 3: in the Northern Territory, whether that's home grown, whether that's

606
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 3: attracting those health professionals to the territory long term. I

607
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 3: know since COVID, Katie and I don't think anyone's forgotten

608
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Speaker 3: that horrible era, but we our health professionals really got

609
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: under under huge amounts of pressure and now we're seeing

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Speaker 3: around the rest of the country that pressure and the NT. Unfortunately,

611
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 3: although we love being unique, we're not unique in that

612
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 3: sense where we have seen now more fly and fly

613
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Speaker 3: out health professionals who do love working in the territory,

614
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Speaker 3: but don't want to stay here long term. So it

615
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Speaker 3: would be great to hear from the COLP and what

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Speaker 3: their plans are around that retention, around our health professionals,

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Speaker 3: because when we have that great infrastructure, we also need

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Speaker 3: to be able to fell it. Matt made the point

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Speaker 3: just a moment ago about the Palmerston Clean Apps excuse me,

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Speaker 3: the new Parmesan hospital that was built under labor and

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Speaker 3: unfortunately we haven't been able to have the maternity ward

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Speaker 3: operate there because of that deficit in some of our

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Speaker 3: health professional numbers. So how do we make sure that

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Speaker 3: the territory continues to be an attractive place for our

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Speaker 3: very important health.

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Speaker 5: Professionals On the Art Gallery overspent On Tiger Brennan the

627
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Speaker 5: Motocross GP, like you keep.

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Speaker 3: You're saying, do you have what you're saying? We're talking

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Speaker 3: about attraction to the Northern Territory. We heard from the

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Speaker 3: Deputy Prime Minister just the other day that the Northern

631
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Speaker 3: Territory is a huge strategic advantage for the rest of

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Speaker 3: the country. They need to recognize that down south just

633
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Speaker 3: as much as we know here that investment into the

634
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Speaker 3: territory lifestyle also not just looks after people who are

635
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Speaker 3: already here, but it also creates the opportunity to bring

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Speaker 3: people to the territory, to bring families to the territory,

637
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Speaker 3: and to keep them long term. If you're not investing

638
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Speaker 3: in the territory lifestyle, Mari clear, how are you going

639
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Speaker 3: to get people to live in the Northern Territory. How

640
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Speaker 3: are you going to get people to stay in the territory.

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Speaker 4: Or lifestyle or need healthcare? Selena, that's.

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Speaker 3: My point. How do you then make sure we have

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Speaker 3: the top quality health care and keep professionals here if

644
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Speaker 3: we're not investing in the territory lifestyle and infrastructure in

645
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Speaker 3: the territory And to me that but you just said

646
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Speaker 3: we're investing in art galleries and not into other areas

647
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Speaker 3: and talking about both things. You're talking about how do

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Speaker 3: we keep people in the territory and invest in the

649
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 3: lifestyle as well as the infrastructure to keep people here.

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Speaker 3: As me that Murray.

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Speaker 5: Claire, imagine one hundred million dollars one hundred and forty

652
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Speaker 5: three million dollars that were spent on the art gallery

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Speaker 5: and the city being spent on our hospitals. That's the

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Speaker 5: point here.

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Speaker 2: I think I think there's a bet there are better

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Speaker 2: examples than the art. I think there is a lifestyle

657
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Speaker 2: element to what governments need to do. You know, someone

658
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: who's raising a young family here in Darwin, like it

659
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: would be great actually if there was more to do.

660
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 2: But I think if you give a pet crocodile mate

661
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: and I don't know why, like seriously, that is so

662
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 2: far away from the Dallas strings yeah, well yeah, anyway.

663
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: But I think I think when it comes to spending,

664
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: I mean, look at the Tiger Brenn and drive over pass.

665
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: Have you seen that thing? I mean, if you're from

666
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: Alice Springs and you drive out to Parliament, you just

667
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: must shake your head and go, oh my god.

668
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 4: I love coming up here. It's beautiful one hundred and

669
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 4: you are so lucky to live here. The amenities are incredible.

670
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 2: They are one hundred and seventy million dollars. It's one

671
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: hundred million dollar blowout to get rid of one set

672
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 2: of traffic lights.

673
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: It's insane, isn't it. And I will tell you that

674
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: for a whole year. If you've got to drive out

675
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: that way and you've had to be you know, you've

676
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: had to be going through the location. It was doing

677
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: your head in and you were wondering why it was

678
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 1: being built. But it was a massive, massive blowout of money.

679
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: The other thing the Nightcliff Police Station, which we've spoken

680
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 2: about you know recently. I mean, oh my god, you know,

681
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: twelve million bucks for the police station, but whatever it

682
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: was for the whole fifty million for the rejuvenation of

683
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: that whole area for a police station that's not a

684
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: police station. And one thing that the government said recently

685
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: that I thought was instructive was when it talked about

686
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: us building these assets and making Billiams talking about this

687
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 2: and then making no plan in the budget for how

688
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 2: we're going to run them, so.

689
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 4: You build the operation.

690
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: No ongoing operational cost of Parmesan Hospital is a great

691
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: example because it's costing sixty million bucks a year to

692
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: run that thing, but that was never planned for when

693
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: it was built.

694
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: Same with the Art gallery though I'm pretty sure there's

695
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: no operational cost.

696
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, we budgeted four We are going to have.

697
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: To take a really quick break. You are listening to

698
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: mix one O four nine's three sixty. It is the

699
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: week that was. You are listening to the week that

700
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: was in the studio. Of course we've got Murray Clare Boothby,

701
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: Robin Lanley, Matt Cunningham and on the line we've got

702
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: Selena Rubo. Now we were just talking about some of

703
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: the cost of different infrastructure. But the COLP yesterday the

704
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: government will saying that you've uncovered a financial disaster the

705
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: Motocross World Championships, the track project at Hidden Valley. So,

706
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: Murray Claire Boothby, you have said that this was announced

707
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: at costing one point six five million dollars to build

708
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: this motocross track without proper planning or budgeting. You reckon.

709
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: The real cost is going to be eight point one

710
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 1: five million dollars. How on earth is it costing that much?

711
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 5: This is co plated. Yeah, it's an absolute disaster and

712
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 5: I just want to be really clear. The Motocross GP

713
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 5: is a very popular event and we will absolutely back

714
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 5: this and make this a wonderful thing. But what we

715
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 5: have found since coming to government is that the announcement

716
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 5: that was made about this one point six five million

717
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 5: dollars to have this event come to the territory, there

718
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 5: was no planning. There's no budget, not only around the

719
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 5: operational cost to move the track on and off over

720
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 5: the next five years, but the fact that the track

721
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 5: itself no one had budgeted for, the fact that it's

722
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 5: going to cost eight million dollars, which was absolutely eye watering.

723
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 5: So you know, now we had a look at this.

724
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 5: We went through the contract and we thought, okay, can

725
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 5: we get out of it? Like it's a huge amount

726
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 5: of money when we're in the hole that we're in,

727
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 5: But it was going to cost us more to get

728
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 5: out of it over the next five years than it

729
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 5: was to just go with the eight point five million.

730
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 5: Find that money somewhere else, which we did find because

731
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 5: there was NBL negotiations for a new team up here

732
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 5: that we're not budgeted for, not announced, but it was

733
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 5: being kind of talked about. So we went and found

734
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 5: that that money.

735
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 2: How could you if the sorry NBL money hadn't been budgeted,

736
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: how could you find that money?

737
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 5: Well, it was it was sitting there waiting to go

738
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 5: with a whole range of things with the Darwin Convention

739
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 5: Center as well on the waterfront. They were going to

740
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 5: build a brand new stadium to be able to host

741
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 5: this new NBL team. So we said, look, let's just

742
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 5: stop that because we can't afford that. That's a huge

743
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 5: amount of money. I think the total for the NBL

744
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 5: was going to be eighty five million or something like.

745
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 5: It's a huge amount, which sure one day would be wonderful,

746
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 5: but we're just not in that situation now. So the

747
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 5: money that was set aside for that stadium that was

748
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 5: going to be built for the NBL specifically, we used

749
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 5: to put towards the motocross because we have to have

750
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 5: this to be a success, and we do know not

751
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 5: only Territorians love their motorsport, but we will get people

752
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 5: from across the globe come to this. It's the last

753
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 5: event of the World Championship for the season. They'll be

754
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 5: in Asia just before Darwin. They'll come to Darwin, they'll

755
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 5: stay a bit longer.

756
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: Hopefully.

757
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 5: Look at our beautiful sites and attractions that we have here.

758
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 2: Many how many will come from overseas?

759
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 4: Like?

760
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: Is there a cost benefit analysis on this whole thing?

761
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 5: Yeah? So the tickets are already on sale, and my

762
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 5: understanding is that they've had a lot of interest. Like

763
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 5: the numbers that are being talked about is, you know,

764
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 5: five thousand people who are registered as interested to buy

765
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 5: the tickets, and then that's starting to flown out with

766
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 5: ticket sales that are coming, and it's not just the

767
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 5: people coming to watch. There's like teams of you know,

768
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 5: people that we're speaking to the Port Daleenport Authority to

769
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 5: make sure we can get the freight in that's needed

770
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 5: because there's a lot of things going to come to

771
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 5: make one make this track, but two make the event possible.

772
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 5: So not ideal. We weren't, you know, once we uncovered

773
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 5: this amount, we were like, oh no, how are we

774
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 5: going to make this work? But we were we were

775
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 5: already too far into it. We have to make it work.

776
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 5: The other big problem with this, and I think it's

777
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 5: really important to note we talked about Tiger Brennan before,

778
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 5: is that when Tiger Brennan was planned, they closed the

779
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 5: second entry and shot it's right on Tiger Brennan into

780
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 5: the Hidden Valley Motorsports. Not only did that affect mud

781
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 5: mud racing and the quad bike racing, but it also

782
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 5: meant that there's no second emergency exit for the V

783
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 5: eight supercars or the MXGP and those That is like

784
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 5: a deal breaker. If we don't have that seton emergency exit,

785
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 5: none of those two big events can go ahead. So

786
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 5: we now have to go back to the design and

787
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 5: have a look at it and so well, how are

788
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 5: we going to have this second exit for emergency vehicles

789
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 5: to ensure that we can have these two big events

790
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 5: which are very popular and we want them to go ahead.

791
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 5: And of course I don't know the costume. It's an

792
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 5: absolutely debarkle like belief you look at has been an

793
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 5: absolute mess, but we're going to fix it. We'll work

794
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 5: through it to make it happen. We'll bring these events

795
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 5: to the territory. We know Territorians love it and it

796
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 5: brings people to Darwin. But yeah, it's amaz were.

797
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: You Were you aware of how much this was actually

798
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: going at cost?

799
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 3: No, Okatie. I've learned to obviously since not being in government,

800
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 3: what the blowout costs were unfortunately, but obviously we know

801
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 3: Territorians love their motorsports and it's good to hear Murray

802
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 3: clear say that the government's going to continue on this

803
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 3: international event that will be a draw card to the

804
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 3: Northern Territory. But yeah, I understand a huge jump in

805
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 3: costs like that. You know, it's it's got to be

806
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 3: explained somewhere. But I don't have any of those details

807
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 3: from even formally when I was in government. I didn't

808
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: hold a portfolio that had that kind of detail. Unfortunately

809
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 3: to be able to speak to that, I do.

810
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: Know, make a cabinet decision made though that you know

811
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: we're going to make We're going to actually do this,

812
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: and and you know it's this is how much it's

813
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: going to cost and a bit of a cost benefit analysis.

814
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's always those processes, Katie, But obviously what would

815
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 3: have been presented at the time was what was initially costed,

816
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: which sounds like it's it's completely wrong. So you know,

817
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 3: there's got to be those questions asked about how did

818
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 3: it get so wrong and how was it presented?

819
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 4: It was the Infrastructure Minister. Oh, Joe Bowden, that's right,

820
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 4: was it?

821
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: Was it at the time? Yeah, I wonder like this

822
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: is I guess the big question I've got and this

823
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: was actually raised with me by a contractor, is that,

824
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: you know, we are in a situation where every project

825
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 1: just about it seems as though we're having massive blowouts

826
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: no matter what it is, or it seems as though

827
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: we did so does the new government does the colp

828
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: government need to actually get a bit tougher here If

829
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: people are tendering for jobs and just because somebody comes

830
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: in at the lowest. I mean, if they then have

831
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: variations that cost millions of dollars, do we go hundreds

832
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: of millions of dollars? Do we then? And look, I

833
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: know it's going to be difficult because with some projects

834
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: there are only some contractors that can actually deliver those.

835
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: But do you need to get a bit tougher here,

836
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: and do people actually need to tender at a more

837
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: appropriate amount of money because you're not going to pay

838
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: out the variations to that degree.

839
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 4: The variations can't be unlimited when they always like a

840
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 4: percentage you would think. So look, I don't recall very clearly.

841
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 2: Well great, but seventy million to one hundred and seventy million, one.

842
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 4: Million to nine million pretty big variations.

843
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 5: I think what it comes down to is that the

844
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 5: minister ministers need to look at this really closely. And

845
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 5: I think our new Minister for Infrastructure is also the

846
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 5: Treasurer Bill Yan and as he's been going through all

847
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 5: these projects, I mean, he's a smart man. He's looking

848
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 5: at them and going Okay, this doesn't seem right. So

849
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 5: if things come up to ministers to you know, these

850
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 5: pictures come through all the time, and you know tenders

851
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 5: and budgets, and this is what we do every day

852
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 5: instead of just signing it off and go that sounds great,

853
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 5: that sounds like a good you know, election commitment or

854
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 5: a good announceable. Let's actually look at the detail and

855
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 5: if we can't deliver something within budget and on time,

856
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 5: then we need to question that and maybe not just rush.

857
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: Away were clearly could put our budgets. We're cooked, aren't we.

858
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 2: Like we've already said the fifteen billion dollar debt ceilings

859
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: out the door. Every project's blowing out by you know, millions,

860
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 2: tens of millions, one hundred million dollars.

861
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: And I mean the thing is, if your own personal

862
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: budget was blowing out to that degree, like if you're

863
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: renovating your home and it blew out more than one

864
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: hundred percent, well you wouldn't be able to continue. That's

865
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: exactly right.

866
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's why we're talking about all the changing

867
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 5: the game the frameworks for the economics side of things,

868
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 5: because we need to open up the private investment. We've

869
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 5: been so reliant on a government investment for so long

870
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 5: that you know, it's literally stifling us and sending us broke.

871
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 5: We need to ensure that we have the right frameworks

872
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 5: like the Territory Coordinator, like payroll tax reductions, like the

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Speaker 5: homegrown house building grants, like all of those things is out.

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Speaker 2: What we're going to do are going to cost more money,

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Speaker 2: but they're.

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Speaker 5: Going to attract people to the territory. So that's all

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Speaker 5: we need. We need slight, We need population growth instead

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Speaker 5: of population decline. We need a new private investment and

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Speaker 5: of course with new that those new projects under the

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Speaker 5: new frameworks that we have as a government will turn

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Speaker 5: things around. And it's going to take time, and yeah,

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Speaker 5: we are still dealing with a huge debt.

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Speaker 1: We will take a very quick break before we get

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Speaker 1: ready to wrap up for the morning. You are listening

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Speaker 1: to the week that was. If you have just joined

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Speaker 1: us where you've missed a cracking hour of radio, you

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Speaker 1: will be able to head back online and take a

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Speaker 1: listen back to the week that was on the iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: app or indeed on the Mixed one O four nine website. Now, look,

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Speaker 1: before we wrap up this morning, I do certainly want

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Speaker 1: to acknowledge a story that we did cover extensively earlier

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Speaker 1: in the week, and that is the passing of Veronica Wellings.

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Speaker 1: We know that the Northern Territory Police are continuing an

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Speaker 1: investigation after the forty year old, who was critically ill,

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Speaker 1: was rushed to hospital from a home in Humpty Doo

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Speaker 1: on Monday but later died. Now, as I said that

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Speaker 1: investigation continuing, and I said it earlier in the week,

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Speaker 1: but I will say again my thoughts and prayers with

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Speaker 1: Peter Wellings, with the whole Wellings family. I worked with

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Speaker 1: Peter up in Parliament House for the former Housing Minister

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Speaker 1: of the Day, Rob Knight. We shared an office for

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Speaker 1: quite some time. He's a beautiful man. I didn't know Veronica,

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Speaker 1: but I would say that if she was anything like

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Speaker 1: a dad, she would have been a lovely, lovely person.

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Speaker 1: So my heart goes out to their family. And I'm

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Speaker 1: sure that everybody on the panel, yourself most definitely Selena,

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Speaker 1: would agree with that sentiment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks Katie. It's extremely distressing for Willow and his family,

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Speaker 3: but yes, king of them all and seeing whatever we

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Speaker 3: can do to support in this very very tragic time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, well, we are indeed ending on a sad note.

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Speaker 1: But thank you all so very much for your time

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Speaker 1: this morning. Selena Rubo, the opposition leader live from Catherine,

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Speaker 1: thank you for your time.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Marie Claar Boothby, the Attorney General of the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 5: Thank you Katie and your listeners. Take care.

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Speaker 1: Robin Lamley, Well the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly and

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Speaker 1: also the Member Farra Lun, thank you for your time.

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Speaker 4: Thank you Katie.

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Speaker 1: And Matt Cunningham. Thanks mate. We've had you on a

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Speaker 1: couple of times this week as always. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, and I would echo what you said about

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Speaker 2: Veronica Wellings and well oh of course a terrific bloke

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Speaker 2: and all of our thoughts go out to them this week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, Thank you all.