Speaker 1: I meant to ask you if you could pick your
Speaker 1: favorite car of the year you're born.
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh that's a good idea. Yes, are you just
Speaker 2: typing in.
Speaker 1: Nineteen forty two? You could probably do that? That Mercedes
Speaker 1: at Hitler Drow during the war.
Speaker 2: That is funny.
Speaker 1: Shit, what what do you got? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I've literally just typed in nineteen eighty seven, hold in
Speaker 2: Commodore because that's probably what it's gonna be. Really, No,
Speaker 2: I know what it is now. It's the F forty Ferrari.
Speaker 1: Oh that's an easy owner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's nineteen eighty seven, which was my year
Speaker 2: of birth. So yeah, that's that's me. That would actually
Speaker 2: suit me just nicely.
Speaker 1: I'm having a log. What was yours?
Speaker 2: Like the horse and cart?
Speaker 1: All right, mate, crack in the little jokes like go tod,
Speaker 1: this's great joke on the podcast Halls and Cart. Can
Speaker 1: I deliver it again? I was thinking the Bentley Mulsane Turbo.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's the one. It's got to be
Speaker 1: the one with the dual headlight. It's not the big
Speaker 1: square ones because they look shitty. Yep, they do kind
Speaker 1: of look cool in a way, like eighties cool, like
Speaker 1: Jack Thompson smoking on the bonnet call. But I reckon there.
Speaker 2: They were James bonded as well, I think, oh from memory. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm just having a look now. So it says Bond
Speaker 2: purchases a Mulsan turbo in John Gardener's eighty four James
Speaker 2: Bond novel Role of Honor.
Speaker 1: Okay, now I've fallen asleep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know the interesting thing with with those cars,
Speaker 2: and that one in particular, the Bentley actually had a
Speaker 2: Rolls Royce engine, and Rolls Royce goes to so much
Speaker 2: effort with their engine sizes that it was a six
Speaker 2: point seven five liter V eight. How precise is that?
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Yeah, my grandma used to be like head
Speaker 1: inspector of during the war, like they used to put
Speaker 1: them in aeroplanes and stuff. She used to going over
Speaker 1: people's work. You might have known her, like you probably
Speaker 1: worked with her back in the day. Do you know what?
Speaker 1: I realized we haven't even done an intro yet. And
Speaker 1: last week I kind of give you the big sort
Speaker 1: of hey guys, it's Paul from car Expert dot com
Speaker 1: dot you, and then I just get I just mentioned
Speaker 1: my own name, and then we move on and you
Speaker 1: just make some terrible remarks. I go home and cry
Speaker 1: to my wife.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, it's Gordy from the radio station. That's it.
Speaker 1: Hi, my name's Paul from Car Expert. I've also signed
Speaker 1: with Channel seven. Actually, you know what, I've signed my
Speaker 1: own deal. It's with SBS. And I can't tell you this,
Speaker 1: but I've signed to SBS. And it's a car show, obviously,
Speaker 1: and it's me and leland Chin in the back of
Speaker 1: various cars and we just make out for twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: and then she finally looks out the window and says,
Speaker 1: I wish I went electric. And I'm like, you're talking
Speaker 1: about the car, right, and she just pauses for a
Speaker 1: long while and goes, no, I we got to talk
Speaker 1: about some cars that have been released straight up direct
Speaker 1: from the LA Auto Show. The Porsche RS or the
Speaker 1: Porsche Cayman RS.
Speaker 2: Yes, the GT four RS. I mean they revealed the
Speaker 2: GT four version of the Cayman, which existed in the
Speaker 2: previous Cayman. But now the seven one eight is bringing
Speaker 2: I think it's the world's worst kept secret, but an
Speaker 2: RS version of the GT four and.
Speaker 1: The thing that blows me away.
Speaker 2: They kind of always said that the four leter wouldn't
Speaker 2: fit into their and it's it's kind of familiar with
Speaker 2: things like the nine to eleven GT three cup car
Speaker 2: and the series production nine to eleven GT three, which
Speaker 2: means three hundred and sixty eight kilowatts of power and
Speaker 2: four hundred and fifty meters of talk like it is
Speaker 2: just genuinely insanity in a car that weighs what fourteen
Speaker 2: hundred kilos and it looks, it looks so menacing.
Speaker 1: So good. They've literally put a nine to eleven engine
Speaker 1: in this right, yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean it's the four liter effectively out of the
Speaker 2: GT three, so it's very similar. And this is I
Speaker 2: guess this is what you'd call a mid engine car
Speaker 2: because it doesn't actually have an engine in the back
Speaker 2: like a nine to eleven does. So it is quite
Speaker 2: a complex machine in terms of the way they've got
Speaker 2: it set up. And it's up almost sixty kilowats and
Speaker 2: twenty new meters over the standard GT four and I
Speaker 2: think the best bit is at revs to nine thousand rpm,
Speaker 2: which is just amazing.
Speaker 1: See Porscha purists will hate me saying this, but everyone
Speaker 1: was like, there's no way a Cayman will ever be
Speaker 1: a nine to eleven, especially like a nine eleven GT three,
Speaker 1: But we've found that contender. I mean, it's essentially the
Speaker 1: same one. I'm a big fan of the Cayman's. I've
Speaker 1: always been called the poor man's Porsche. I just think,
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got effectively you've got you've got this
Speaker 1: mid engine car, and it's superior to a nine to eleven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if we're honest with ourselves, aside from
Speaker 2: it not having four seats, you've got a car here
Speaker 2: that I think, with the right driver would probably outperform
Speaker 2: pretty much every nine to eleven that isn't like a
Speaker 2: proper GT three or a GT three R rare. And
Speaker 2: you can see that Porsche has put a lot of
Speaker 2: effort into this. It's not just a car for the
Speaker 2: sake of being a car. They've cut thirty five kilos
Speaker 2: out of this compared to a non RSGT four, and
Speaker 2: a non RSGT four was still a light and fast car.
Speaker 2: So extensive use of carbon. I think it just looks
Speaker 2: absolutely awesome and I just can't wait for it to
Speaker 2: get here. But I don't know if you've seen the price.
Speaker 2: Have you seen the price?
Speaker 1: No, I'm trying to look for that now.
Speaker 2: No, let me tell you. So basically, the Cayman starts
Speaker 2: at somewhere around the one hundred and something thousand dollar mark.
Speaker 2: The GT four is two hundred and eleven thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: How much do you reckon this is?
Speaker 1: I'm going to say uploads of about four fitty.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is three hundred, three hundred thousand, three hundred
Speaker 2: thousand and eight hundred dollars. It's a big step up
Speaker 2: because it's what ninety thousand dollars more than a GT four,
Speaker 2: So that is a whole heap of cash, and that's
Speaker 2: before on road costs. It could even be four fifty
Speaker 2: by the time you add luxury car tacks and the
Speaker 2: other stuff they indecently take out of our pockets whenever
Speaker 2: we want to get something nice in this country.
Speaker 1: I think I still think it's a better deal than say,
Speaker 1: looking at a fairly top spec nine to eleven.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean a Carera S is probably around
Speaker 2: that three hundred thousand dollar mark, So you know, it
Speaker 2: is good value for money in that sense. And yeah,
Speaker 2: it just looks awesome. So what are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 2: Though it's only available with the PDK no manual transmission.
Speaker 1: Really, that's weird.
Speaker 2: Is that not manual?
Speaker 1: Manual?
Speaker 2: I know, it looks like a manual, and then you
Speaker 2: assume in, Yeah, zoom in on the pedals and you'll
Speaker 2: see it's missing a pedal. So because you're listening to
Speaker 2: this and not watching it, that was Gordy showing me
Speaker 2: a picture.
Speaker 1: Of GC four US.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, maybe we should explain what you were
Speaker 2: just doing. Yeah, yeah, it's deceiving because it looks like
Speaker 2: a manual. But yeah, it's just got two pedals.
Speaker 1: So wow. I mean it's becoming more and more commonplace though,
Speaker 1: isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely so. I mean to put the times
Speaker 2: into context, it was able to lap the Nurburg Ring,
Speaker 2: the twenty point eight kilometer circuit in seven minutes and
Speaker 2: nine seconds. They also did a slightly shorter version of
Speaker 2: the circuit which takes two different measuring points, and that
Speaker 2: was seven minutes four So it's about twenty three seconds
Speaker 2: quicker than a standard GT four around the nurburg Rings,
Speaker 2: so bloody quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me tell you that that is a proper
Speaker 1: race car right there. Yeah, I'm kind of jealous. I
Speaker 1: got to see the what is it? The RAMTRX did
Speaker 1: you been driving the fifteen hundred. Yes, yes, massive car.
Speaker 1: I think we briefly talked about it last week. But giz,
Speaker 1: you looked like a real country boy in this thing.
Speaker 1: You really look like you're enjoying that.
Speaker 2: I am an absolute bogan. I didn't enjoy filling it
Speaker 2: because it has like a one hundred and twenty five
Speaker 2: liter tank and I used half the tank and I thought,
Speaker 2: I'll just go fill it up. And I was filling
Speaker 2: it and I thought, has this got like a giant
Speaker 2: hole in it that I'm not aware of? Because I
Speaker 2: got to about the sixty meter mark of fuel and
Speaker 2: it's still going And I'm like, okay, at two dollars
Speaker 2: a leter plus, this is going to really set me
Speaker 2: back something. But I just want to put this car
Speaker 2: into context. So the RAM fifteen hundred is is what
Speaker 2: they call a mid sized truck in the States, and
Speaker 2: mid size is kind of funny because it's absolutely it's
Speaker 2: fucking enormous to something like a Ranger.
Speaker 1: You could fit in that tray. To give us an idea,
Speaker 1: what sort of car do you reckon you could fit
Speaker 1: in that tray?
Speaker 2: I think you, I genuinely think you could fit a
Speaker 2: smart Car in the tray.
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, I reckon you can fit a Zuki
Speaker 1: Swift yet like it is, it is huge.
Speaker 2: To put the size into context, it's about six meters long,
Speaker 2: it's two point two meters wide mainly due to the mirrors,
Speaker 2: and six meters long makes it almost a meter long
Speaker 2: than a Ford Ranger, longer than a Hord Ranger in
Speaker 2: terms of heights. It's too big to fit into most
Speaker 2: underground car parks, so I wasn't able to leave it
Speaker 2: at home because I couldn't get it into our car park.
Speaker 2: But the most impressive part is the engine. So it's
Speaker 2: powered by a Hellcat V eight and for those who
Speaker 2: don't know what that is, it's basically the six point
Speaker 2: two Leader Supercharge V eight that they use in things
Speaker 2: like the Charger and the Challenger, and it just it
Speaker 2: shouldn't exist because that engine is absolutely monstrous. We're talking,
Speaker 2: you know, enough to do zero to one hundred and
Speaker 2: nunder five seconds and it weighs like two point six tons,
Speaker 2: so it is an absolute beast, and the sound is
Speaker 2: next level. The supercharger wine is incredible. It is just yeah,
Speaker 2: it does not put a foot wrong.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to this car in a big way.
Speaker 1: It's exciting that they've done this. What's your thoughts on
Speaker 1: the interior, because I'm going to throw something at you,
Speaker 1: And I did see the interior in this, and I
Speaker 1: think it actually, despite what I'm about to say, it
Speaker 1: looks pretty good. American cars, especially ones with attitude, say
Speaker 1: muscle cars make shit interior.
Speaker 2: Yes, see, generally that's true. The interior in this I
Speaker 2: think was pretty goo. The reason I say that is
Speaker 2: the big trucks have like giant glove boxes. They're very spacious.
Speaker 2: They've got this huge vertical screen inside it. There's like
Speaker 2: a TRX button, so you press that if you want
Speaker 2: it to do stupid things. And they also brand everything.
Speaker 2: So there's a wireless phone charger, and in any other
Speaker 2: car it would just be a wireless phone charger, but
Speaker 2: in this it's called a RAM charger, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just want to put my mate. Yeah. And in
Speaker 2: terms of the engine, five hundred and twenty three kills
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty two meters, but yeah, look I
Speaker 2: like the interior, but are you gonna tell me you
Speaker 2: don't look?
Speaker 1: I don't mind it in this, I don't mind it. Actually,
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty cool from memory when you're sitting
Speaker 1: in it, it legit looks like a laundroom.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is exactly that.
Speaker 1: It's massive, yeap. And the branding just over the center
Speaker 1: console there, just on the arm rest there, that's that's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They've got like a little build plate that tells
Speaker 2: you the VIN number the engine, so it tells you
Speaker 2: the supercharger size, the amount of horsepower that it makes.
Speaker 2: The thing I love the most though, the little plaque
Speaker 2: says something like designed in wherever It's designed Michigan, except
Speaker 2: they forget to mention it's actually built in Mexico. So
Speaker 2: this big ass American truck is built in Mexico, which
Speaker 2: is kind of just a bit funny, but yeah, look
Speaker 2: at I think the big deal with this is they're
Speaker 2: not built in right hand drive, so when they come
Speaker 2: to Australia these have to be converted to right hand drive.
Speaker 2: And the company that does this is based out of
Speaker 2: Queensland and it's called oz MV, so Australian manufactured Vehicles.
Speaker 3: Thing.
Speaker 2: The big thing about it though, is they've just announced
Speaker 2: to deal with my car, which is the old Kmart
Speaker 2: Tyron auto service name. Yeah, so you can get this
Speaker 2: thing serviced across the country. How much do you think
Speaker 2: this costs? By the way, so the price is about
Speaker 2: seventy thousand US dollars in the States.
Speaker 1: Just a quick one. Don't you find it hilarious that
Speaker 1: you can take this big ass Ram into what used
Speaker 1: to be came out tired auto for a service? Yeah? Exactly.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine that when you were driving along? I
Speaker 1: got to ask and you're looking at, say, some dude
Speaker 1: in a you know, a gim Bean button up shirt
Speaker 1: and a Monster Energy flat cap and he's in his
Speaker 1: Ford raptor were you listening to a bit.
Speaker 2: Of this is Paul just cruising around?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: My god, warm summer's even Yeah, bounce, I've got a
Speaker 1: met up with We were craving asleep with my sister,
Speaker 1: so we to turn staring. I feel strangely racist right
Speaker 1: now too. The boredom aver Turco and he began to
Speaker 1: speak and then he just spat out some tobacco tobacco juice.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, So look, I think I think the
Speaker 1: Ram TRX fifteen hundred is incredible. I think it's an
Speaker 1: important car.
Speaker 2: Well, how much is it till me?
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm going to say around about one seventy five.
Speaker 2: Okay, so depending on which one you get. They had
Speaker 2: one car there which was the launch edition. When I
Speaker 2: went to pick this up sticker to ninety. Yeah, it's insane,
Speaker 2: isn't it. So I'll put that into context as well.
Speaker 2: So basically when they buy these, they buy them from
Speaker 2: dealers in the States and over there because of the
Speaker 2: chip shortage, there's a huge demand for cars. Dealers are
Speaker 2: allowed to list cars for whatever they want over there,
Speaker 2: and they're all charging around twenty to thirty thousand US
Speaker 2: dollars above sticker price. So they buy it, They pay
Speaker 2: GST and import tariffs when it comes to Australia, plus
Speaker 2: luxury car tax I think is applicable to these as well.
Speaker 2: They then convert it. Then when they sell it, you
Speaker 2: have to pay luxury car tax and all the other
Speaker 2: bullshit on it as well. So the government is double
Speaker 2: dipping on these, and the end cost is mainly all
Speaker 2: just fees that you're giving to the government for no
Speaker 2: good reason.
Speaker 1: Going to buy this. This is going to be bought
Speaker 1: by the property developer, right the trade who's not really
Speaker 1: a trading anymore, is doing pretty well for himself or
Speaker 1: the CEO who wants to appeal to the common man,
Speaker 1: or Paul driving around giving it a bit of I
Speaker 1: could do that all day long.
Speaker 2: I know you could.
Speaker 1: I could just see you in the cubra. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: does anyone know the quickest way to Daniliguan? You got?
Speaker 1: We should finish the show with that. I love that.
Speaker 2: I'd actually I'll tell you what if if you have
Speaker 2: bought one of these, or you know someone that has,
Speaker 2: please send us an email to contact at the driveshow
Speaker 2: dot com toda you, because I want to know who
Speaker 2: is buying these, because genuinely I would love to own one,
Speaker 2: because it is so offensive and I really did enjoy
Speaker 2: pulling up next to people in like Rangers that were
Speaker 2: lifted and with their two leader Diesel engines. This thing
Speaker 2: just takes that that the measuring game up to just
Speaker 2: a very unique level.
Speaker 1: A compensate.
Speaker 2: You don't want to be at the urinal next to
Speaker 2: one of.
Speaker 1: These, Yeah, it's it is a car that just stands out.
Speaker 1: Could you live with it as a daily No?
Speaker 2: Because it's impossible to park anywhere. So yeah, unfortunately not
Speaker 2: in all reality. If you don't go for the stupid
Speaker 2: t Rex, you can get just a RAM fifteen hundred,
Speaker 2: they have like a four and a half ton break
Speaker 2: towing capacity. Even if you tow three and a half
Speaker 2: tons with just a standard TOBAL, you will not notice
Speaker 2: a caravan on the back of it, whereas toe three
Speaker 2: and a half tons with a two letter forward ranger
Speaker 2: and you will know that there's a three and a
Speaker 2: half ton caravan on the back. So that is what
Speaker 2: people are using them for, generally for towing and just
Speaker 2: for country driving. For a country drive, they're actually pretty
Speaker 2: efficient for naturally aspirated V eight. The tower Rex is
Speaker 2: just never efficient, but the standard RAM fifteen hundred ACTS
Speaker 2: is actually sort of half decent.
Speaker 1: It's the end of the world car the car actually
Speaker 1: it's the car you jump in when lock down four happens.
Speaker 2: And you want to drive to Tasmania, like across the water.
Speaker 1: He interesting one pick story this week with the government
Speaker 1: and now seeing funding for the electric car market. One
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to ask you, and this is what
Speaker 1: I reckon a lot of consumers would ask when it
Speaker 1: comes to electric cars, right is how far does it
Speaker 1: take me? And how can I charge it? And is
Speaker 1: this about to get easier? Because I feel like we're
Speaker 1: going to talk Ionic five in a moment. And one
Speaker 1: of the big turn offs I found with people asking
Speaker 1: questions about it and stuff like that is, Oh, we're
Speaker 1: just not set up. We're not set up yet for
Speaker 1: the electric We don't know, you know, people are afraid,
Speaker 1: they don't know where to charge it and whatnot. Are
Speaker 1: we near the point where where we can finally have
Speaker 1: electric cars in commonplace?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, that question that people ask, it's a bit
Speaker 2: of a it's a bit of a silly question because ultimately,
Speaker 2: when you own an EV, you don't really think about
Speaker 2: that stuff as much. And I can understand people apprehensive
Speaker 2: before going into an EV. But I own a Tesla
Speaker 2: and do you Yes, it's a Model three performance.
Speaker 1: Is Avatasla with the crazy zero to one hundred times.
Speaker 2: It's quick, but it's not that quick.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's not the only time you've said
Speaker 1: that sense.
Speaker 2: No, definitely not so. Yeah. The government has come out
Speaker 2: and said that it's tipping in two hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: million dollars into a future Fuels and Vehicle strategy, of
Speaker 2: which one hundred and seventy eight million is ear mark
Speaker 2: to support rollout of infrastructure. It reckons it will make
Speaker 2: twenty six hundred jobs over three years while it's doing this,
Speaker 2: and it thinks that by twenty thirty thirty percent of
Speaker 2: new car sales will be battery, electrical, plug in hybrid
Speaker 2: or hydrogen. So they want to add fifty thousand charging
Speaker 2: stations in homes across Australia and also roll out public
Speaker 2: charging infrastructure. It is ambitious and I think it's great,
Speaker 2: but it depends on the charges they're rolling out, So
Speaker 2: you've got it's a bit hard to explain because if
Speaker 2: you fill your car with petrol, it's basically the same
Speaker 2: give or take wherever you go. When you put the
Speaker 2: thing in, squeeze the trigger, you know that it'll be
Speaker 2: fall in about sort of five minutes. Well, with evs
Speaker 2: you've got different charge rates, so you can have a
Speaker 2: ten out plug which is just like a socket at home,
Speaker 2: and that will take around twenty four hours to charge
Speaker 2: a car from empty, or you can go all the
Speaker 2: way to a supercharger that charges within twenty minutes. So
Speaker 2: they haven't specified exactly what they're rolling out, where they're
Speaker 2: rolling it out, and which cars it will support, so
Speaker 2: you know, typical government, it is all very sort of
Speaker 2: flaky and very vague as well, which I just don't love.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's also being said for the sake
Speaker 1: of saying it, because at the moment that is the
Speaker 1: sort of subject that is popular at to tackle. Yep,
Speaker 1: and yeah, you're right with the superchargers. I mean people,
Speaker 1: I think generally people want to know, like's if it's
Speaker 1: a twenty minute job that can sort of fit into
Speaker 1: their lifestyle. My opinion on electric cars since since driving
Speaker 1: one has changed, I think that people well, eventually it's
Speaker 1: just different ways of doing familiar things, and I think
Speaker 1: people's lifestyle will change around that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. Once you own one,
Speaker 2: you'll realize that you really never really panic about stuff.
Speaker 2: You plan ahead, You charge if you need to. But
Speaker 2: even living in an apartment, we've got the charging setup
Speaker 2: and it's fine. I mean, the government's saying here that
Speaker 2: it will roll out fifty thousand household charges and a
Speaker 2: thousand public fast charging stations, and they reckon it'll cover
Speaker 2: eighty four percent of the population. So that's going to
Speaker 2: be enough for city folks. But if you are traveling
Speaker 2: into the country or you do a lot of country driving,
Speaker 2: it's something that I think we're still not there yet
Speaker 2: in terms of range. There are cars coming, and I
Speaker 2: think by twenty thirty will well and truly have cars
Speaker 2: that will get us the long range that some of
Speaker 2: these people want, and also trucking and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, let's see where it takes us.
Speaker 2: But I'm not going to hold my breath because knowing
Speaker 2: the government. You know, the thing that kind of annoys
Speaker 2: me with any government is that when they commit to
Speaker 2: a project like this, if the next government comes in
Speaker 2: and says, nah, it's shit, we're going to roll it back,
Speaker 2: you end up with a turd of a project. And
Speaker 2: I think that happened with NBN, where it was going
Speaker 2: to be fiber to the home, then all of a
Speaker 2: sudden it was fiber to like halfway to the home,
Speaker 2: and you've ended up with this colossal shit storm of
Speaker 2: an Internet network in Australia that could have actually been good.
Speaker 1: I think going forward though, in terms of saying something
Speaker 1: like apartment blocks, I know that supercharging stations are becoming
Speaker 1: will be a lot more commonplace in those.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, and that's why we're setting up. I'm the
Speaker 2: chair of our Owner's Committee and at our apartment building,
Speaker 2: and we're setting it up in such a way that
Speaker 2: if an owner invests in ev charging, it will increase
Speaker 2: the value of their property. The only downside to shared
Speaker 2: spaces is you probably do what I do when I
Speaker 2: get home. If you park the car and a visitor park,
Speaker 2: you're like, ah, I can't be bothered going back down
Speaker 2: to move it.
Speaker 1: That's not what I do when I get home.
Speaker 2: But that's right, that's what I do.
Speaker 1: So there is a photo of you next to my bed,
Speaker 1: and I do crank up a bit of Shineada Connor.
Speaker 1: Nothing compares to you.
Speaker 2: Anyway, but yeah, I think that look. Eventually, we'll see
Speaker 2: how it pans out. But yeah, we've got to do
Speaker 2: something because doing nothing really isn't working.
Speaker 1: People would be seeing a very sexy electric all over
Speaker 1: social media, the Rivian, which is an electric U. It
Speaker 1: looks beautiful, it's got these kind of crazy headlights. Basically,
Speaker 1: those cars that they're looking at are not real cars.
Speaker 1: They're pre production cars by the looks of it being
Speaker 1: given to influencers. But yeah, this is a strange company
Speaker 1: and they're making some strange moves.
Speaker 2: It's just insane. So they floated on the stock market
Speaker 2: at I think seventy dollars a share. Right now, at
Speaker 2: the time of reading this, they're at one hundred and
Speaker 2: seventy two dollars a share, so they've almost tripled market
Speaker 2: cap of one hundred and fifty billion dollars. This is
Speaker 2: a company that has barely delivered any cars at all.
Speaker 2: I absolutely love them. I think they look fantastic. And
Speaker 2: I'm going to put that into context. One hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty billion dollars is worth eighty five billion, and Ford
Speaker 2: is worth seventy seven billion. So this company that's delivered
Speaker 2: virtually nothing is now worth double or triple that. The
Speaker 2: other thing that's really fascinating as well, Amazon owns a
Speaker 2: big chunk of the company, and so does Ford. And
Speaker 2: also further to that, Tesla is worth around one trillion dollars.
Speaker 1: Hey, we should talk Ionic five. What do you reckon? Yes,
Speaker 1: let's do it.
Speaker 3: The twenty twenty two Yunday Ionic five Yunday's Bold Cutting
Speaker 3: Edge EV price to start from seventy one nine hundred
Speaker 3: dollars for the two wheel drive or for the one
Speaker 3: we reviewed at seventy five nine hundred dollars for the
Speaker 3: top spec all wheel drive.
Speaker 1: So I got about two weeks with this car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you like him?
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I think Yon Day have got it
Speaker 1: almost perfect with this car. You could say this car
Speaker 1: is almost brilliant. The only problem is how it drives.
Speaker 1: Let me explain everything about this car. I actually genuinely
Speaker 1: love right, there's no doubt. There is no doubt when
Speaker 1: you're standing in front of it. It just stands out.
Speaker 1: It looks, It looks crazy cool. Everything from the wheels
Speaker 1: look great. I love it how it's they're almost flushed
Speaker 1: with the tire and it's sort of machine yet it's
Speaker 1: got the kind of you know, that sort of spiralized
Speaker 1: look about them, sort of divity things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: divity things. I'm pretty sure that's what was on the
Speaker 1: pressure as it's in the pressure. I think they're really cool.
Speaker 1: I think the headlights at the front, the square kind
Speaker 1: of tron esque style headlights look really cool. Same at
Speaker 1: the back as well, they almost look pixelated. The shape
Speaker 1: of it's great. The interior you can tell that Juan
Speaker 1: Day has spent a lot of time thinking about this,
Speaker 1: and I think they've really tried to craft something kind
Speaker 1: of different, and it's this beautiful balance of different but
Speaker 1: not trying to scare people too much. It's really cool.
Speaker 1: It's really minimalist. It's cool with that. It's got that
Speaker 1: center console that you can move up and down. I've
Speaker 1: never seen that in the car before. It's got the
Speaker 1: glove draw.
Speaker 2: The little sort of box type thing. Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah. One thing I didn't like is the drive park
Speaker 1: reverse things. The stalk is on the right hand side
Speaker 1: behind the wheel. The first couple of days I'm like, ah,
Speaker 1: I'll just get used to that. That's that's fine, And
Speaker 1: after a couple of weeks I sort of did, but
Speaker 1: it's still that to me was just.
Speaker 2: A bit much.
Speaker 1: A bit Yeah, it was just a bit. But then
Speaker 1: I was thinking, I was like, well, if they were
Speaker 1: to move it back in the middle, then you wouldn't
Speaker 1: have that really cool center console, which, to be honest,
Speaker 1: I think that's more it's a little gimmicky. I think
Speaker 1: it's cool, but the fact that the whole thing moves,
Speaker 1: you could have just done that with the arm rest.
Speaker 2: I think the whole concept is that you can get
Speaker 2: out of the left hand side of the car because
Speaker 2: you know when you're because it's all flat and it
Speaker 2: makes it Yeah, you could just slide it out of
Speaker 2: the way and then you just walk through. Basically, that
Speaker 2: was the whole sort of reasoning behind it.
Speaker 1: Why I'd know.
Speaker 2: There are a couple of occasions where I've had to
Speaker 2: sneak out the other side, but that's.
Speaker 1: Usually because you're involved with a lady of the night.
Speaker 1: You're with like Honey Brown. She was a good bloke. Actually,
Speaker 1: I've got to meet her. We had beers afterwards. The
Speaker 1: other thing they say.
Speaker 2: Is you could put bags down there, and what I
Speaker 2: thought was, well, yeah, you can put bags down there,
Speaker 2: but when you go around a corner, the bag slides
Speaker 2: under your legs and makes it hard to drive the car,
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't put bags down there. Hold on, let's
Speaker 2: give people some context here, right, So the Ionic five
Speaker 2: is basically a car that was produced on a unique platform,
Speaker 2: a unique EV platform. The previous evs N day had,
Speaker 2: like the Kner and other ironic we're all shared with
Speaker 2: internal combustion cars, whereas this one was on an EV
Speaker 2: platform only in terms of size, it looks like a hatchback,
Speaker 2: but it's actually quite big, and it's bigger than a
Speaker 2: Tesla Model three. The wheelbase is longer than a palisade
Speaker 2: and The Palisade is their big seven seater. It's priced
Speaker 2: from just over seventy thousand dollars before on road costs,
Speaker 2: so more expensive than an entry level Tesla Model three.
Speaker 2: And in terms of the models, there's only two in Australia.
Speaker 2: There's a two will drive and an all will drive,
Speaker 2: and both of them are loaded with kits, so they
Speaker 2: all come with all the bells and whistles.
Speaker 1: And I think the fact that it's got such a
Speaker 1: big drive platform is probably for me. It's probably their downfall. Like, look,
Speaker 1: I did enjoy driving it very much, but it's not
Speaker 1: the sort of car that you can kind of weave
Speaker 1: in and out of busy Sydney traffic. For instance. It's
Speaker 1: got like for a big car, at five twenty seven
Speaker 1: roughly leaders in the boot, I kind of thought maybe
Speaker 1: there could have been more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the boot's really weird because, like I now with
Speaker 2: a kid, I just know all of the shit that
Speaker 2: my wife packs. When we go like literally ten meters
Speaker 2: down the road.
Speaker 1: It's pop down and chatty, but that's pack Like we're
Speaker 1: going to Tibet exactly.
Speaker 2: For nine years, so I know how much of a
Speaker 2: pram and all that shit takes up, and when I
Speaker 2: put the PRAM and stuff in the Ionic five, I
Speaker 2: was like, this packaging is really bad. Because the Tesla
Speaker 2: has like forty or fifty centimeters of depth in the
Speaker 2: boot beneath the floor that you can stash things. It's
Speaker 2: got a front boot. The O wheel drive version of
Speaker 2: the Ionic has a twenty seven liter front boot, so
Speaker 2: you can literally fit a cable in there. The boot
Speaker 2: is tiny, you know, for the space of the car.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's a little disappointed to that. Did you
Speaker 2: try reclining the driver's seat or the passenger seat for
Speaker 2: the fully reclined.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I thought that was really cool. It's got
Speaker 1: this I don't know what you call. I guess it's
Speaker 1: got this feature where while you're charging the car, the
Speaker 1: driver's seat can fully recline pretty much flat.
Speaker 2: It's good in theory, and I think when we go
Speaker 2: to autonomous cars it'll be great. But it is definitely
Speaker 2: a gimmick at the moment. I like that it's something different, though,
Speaker 2: you know, just for the sake of being different, but.
Speaker 1: You are it could be this sort of car Cabby's Drive.
Speaker 1: And this isn't even a joke, Lily, It could be
Speaker 1: the sort of car or an uber driver would drive.
Speaker 1: That's true, and they've got a bit of downtime, they
Speaker 1: just take a bit of a chill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. And look in terms of the drive train,
Speaker 2: this really sort of it's an interesting one because it
Speaker 2: competes on a number level. So the all will drive
Speaker 2: version will do zero to one hundred and five point
Speaker 2: two seconds, so it's pretty quick. It's not lightning, but
Speaker 2: it is quick. It uses a seventy two kilo what
Speaker 2: our battery. One of the things I absolutely loved about
Speaker 2: it is it does a thing called a vehicle to load,
Speaker 2: and what that means is you can plug an adapter
Speaker 2: into the power socket and it lets you have a
Speaker 2: three point six killer what power outlet rated at fifteen amps.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I tested that on the side of the road
Speaker 1: and I cooked a piece of toast. How cool was that?
Speaker 1: I cooked future toast. Yeah, it's really cool.
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, if you look at the
Speaker 2: applications for that, you could go camping, run like a
Speaker 2: camp kitchen, you could run a sound system, you could
Speaker 2: do whatever you wanted. Really and I think innovations like
Speaker 2: that make evs really cool. But I found that it
Speaker 2: wasn't overly efficient. It's a little different here in EVS
Speaker 2: they measure efficiency and killer what hours per one hundred
Speaker 2: kilometers compared to literas per one hundred kilometers in a
Speaker 2: standard internal combustion car, and something like my Tesla, for example,
Speaker 2: will do sixteen or seventeen killer what ours per one
Speaker 2: hundred kilometers, And that is if I'm thrashing it. This
Speaker 2: for me was averaging around the twenty killer what ours
Speaker 2: per one hundred kilometer marks. So it is pretty thirsty
Speaker 2: in the sense of it uses a lot of electricity
Speaker 2: to move that mass around.
Speaker 1: Trains the battery. You know what I found a little
Speaker 1: weird was it's literally one of the most futuristic filling
Speaker 1: cars in there yon day have it still doesn't have
Speaker 1: wireless Apple car play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, man, that's what is going on? Does
Speaker 2: my head? In? Hyundai offers wireless Apple car play on
Speaker 2: entry level models and for some reason.
Speaker 1: The cheaper model key does exactly the same thing.
Speaker 2: The more you spend, the less you get. That stuff's annoying.
Speaker 2: I think the key is silly as well. Why do
Speaker 2: you need a key? Like, one of the things I
Speaker 2: love about Tesla is you don't need a key the
Speaker 2: new Volvo XC forty recharge, for example, or the Polestar.
Speaker 2: To start the car, you just put your foot on
Speaker 2: the brake and put it in drive. And it's like,
Speaker 2: why do you need a button that says start? And
Speaker 2: you know, it's like, okay, I'm in the car, my
Speaker 2: foot's on the brake, of course I want to start it.
Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit counterintuitive when it comes to that stuff.
Speaker 1: I think keys will probably become fairly obsolete. Generally you
Speaker 1: can do it with your phone, right, you can start
Speaker 1: the car with your phone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So they don't have any of that remote
Speaker 2: connectivity here in Australia, which I think is strange as well.
Speaker 2: It is your most advanced car and I can't connect
Speaker 2: to it with my phone. But look, in terms of charging,
Speaker 2: it does up to three hundred and fifty kilowats of
Speaker 2: DC fast charging. Currently it's capped to around two hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty kilo wats, but that means a charge from
Speaker 2: ten to eighty percent at a rate of about seventeen minutes,
Speaker 2: which is pretty good I reckon for that sort of charge.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I think all up this is a great car.
Speaker 1: I love it. I genuinely love it. It changed my
Speaker 1: attitude a little bit, quite a lot actually to electric cars.
Speaker 1: I would have one of these as a daily driver.
Speaker 1: The fact that I don't, I thought to myself, I
Speaker 1: need to change that, because it makes so much more
Speaker 1: sense to have an electric car as a daily driver
Speaker 1: and then have the fun, petrol guzzler, dirty Porsche on
Speaker 1: the weekend. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I'm with you on that. And like,
Speaker 2: this car has some pretty cool stuff in it, like
Speaker 2: the they call it an E pedal. I think it's
Speaker 2: called no I pedal.
Speaker 1: So with the plus and minors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but so you've got plus and minus on the
Speaker 2: steering wheel, which allows you to change the region level.
Speaker 2: But if you keep going back beyond the hardest region level,
Speaker 2: it does what they do in the Nissan Leaf and
Speaker 2: in the Tesla cars where it will allay you a
Speaker 2: roll to a complete stop and it will then hold
Speaker 2: the car so you don't need to use the brake.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, actually that was said on this too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tuned perfectly. So it's tuned really well. And
Speaker 2: when you said it didn't drive that well for me,
Speaker 2: that extended to the ride Hyunda used to do all
Speaker 2: of their right in handling tuning for Australian cars in Australia,
Speaker 2: so you'd get the right feel behind the wheel. This
Speaker 2: doesn't have that, and when we did our testing with it,
Speaker 2: it just has no body control when you hit continuous
Speaker 2: undulations and you'll find that sort of stuff on country roads.
Speaker 2: It's fine in and around the city, it's really pleasant,
Speaker 2: no dramas, but the second you go to a country
Speaker 2: road and you cop those continuous undulations at highway speeds,
Speaker 2: you're getting to the point where it feels uncomfortable and
Speaker 2: doesn't feel nice to drive.
Speaker 1: So spending time with an electric car really did make
Speaker 1: me realize how much that we subconsciously rely on sound
Speaker 1: and feel of a car. Talk is different compared to
Speaker 1: a petrol car. It's sort of you don't feel that
Speaker 1: kind of climbing, you don't feel the rev I kind
Speaker 1: of miss that. I love that when I jumped back
Speaker 1: in my old car. I got to be honest, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's strange when it's taken away, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, It's one of those things that you do eventually
Speaker 2: get used to, and they try and plumb fake sound
Speaker 2: into the cabin. And they also have like a pedestrian
Speaker 2: noise when you're near pedestrians. It is something you get
Speaker 2: used to eventually, but it's something that's hard to I
Speaker 2: think once it's not there'll you won't notice it's gone.
Speaker 2: So you will notice it when you get back into
Speaker 2: an older car.
Speaker 1: Do you know what's crazy? Our kids are not going
Speaker 1: to have art?
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, it.
Speaker 1: Isn't that weird? Say would you have like a VK
Speaker 1: commodore or something like that, All right, jump in. They'll
Speaker 1: just look at that and go, God, this is like
Speaker 1: a bloody puff and Billy Coltrane.
Speaker 2: Is that's right? They'll actually think it's the dumbest thing
Speaker 2: in the world that you had to put this combustible
Speaker 2: material in it and wait for it to burn and
Speaker 2: do stuff. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like you, it does make it an electric does make
Speaker 1: a petrol car feel dumb, doesn't it?
Speaker 2: Exactly? Just think about the moving parts. You've got so
Speaker 2: many moving parts and bearings that need lubrication, Like it
Speaker 2: is just this insanely comple think it's needlessly complex, and
Speaker 2: it's just so weird that that's just normal for us.
Speaker 1: I can't explain it better. I just thought it was
Speaker 1: really cool. Yeah, it's cool to look at, it is
Speaker 1: cool to drive. For me, if I wanted to get
Speaker 1: real picky, it is hard to kind of like. It's
Speaker 1: not the sort of car you can dart around in
Speaker 1: busy traffic. It's just not. And that's just the fact
Speaker 1: that it's so big in a platform yet it just
Speaker 1: doesn't feel big.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that, And for me, I
Speaker 2: was just disappointed by the ride and that for me,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to buy one based on the ride.
Speaker 2: The good news, though, is Kia has their version of
Speaker 2: this car come called the EV six, that will have
Speaker 2: Australian ride in handling tuning, and I'm hoping that is
Speaker 2: just what the Ionic five is missing.
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