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Speaker 1: We have been discussing throughout the morning the calls by

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Speaker 1: on Wickam Point near Darwin to repatriate even more Aussi

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Speaker 1: stranded overseas. Senator Sam McMahon joins me on the line

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Speaker 1: right now. Good morning, Senator.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Tady, Good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, why would you like to see this other facility

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Speaker 1: utilized as well?

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Speaker 2: Well, look at the facility that we've got sitting there

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Speaker 2: that's not being currently utilized. And if it can be,

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Speaker 2: and if we can get more Aussies back home reunited

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Speaker 2: with their families, then that's a really good thing.

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Speaker 1: So have you spoken to your federal colleagues about it,

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Speaker 1: because we asked the Health Minister about it this morning.

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Speaker 1: She said, Look, the decision about how many repatriations we

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Speaker 1: can have into the territory is a decision for the

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Speaker 1: Prime minister. So have you spoken to your federal colleagues

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look I have. And that's not entirely true what

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Speaker 2: she said because quarantine, and I've said this all along,

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Speaker 2: quarantine is a function of the states and territories. So

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Speaker 2: it's up to the Anti government to say how many

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Speaker 2: basis based on their availability for their quarantine. So it's

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Speaker 2: very much up to the Anti government to say, yes,

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Speaker 2: we will take we have a capacity to take two hundred,

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Speaker 2: federal government will approve that.

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Speaker 1: But the reality is that the additional staff that will

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Speaker 1: be required, I you know, obviously those from the National

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Speaker 2: Well, look, there's various funding options. And yes, I have

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Speaker 2: I mean we've already kicked in fifty million, you know,

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Speaker 2: You know, there's quite a few different options for looking

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess my big concern is, you know, with

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Speaker 1: No matter what facility you utilize, you just want to

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Speaker 2: Absolutely that that always needs to be the highest priority.

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Speaker 2: And you know, we certainly don't want mister Gunner to

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Speaker 1: And so in terms of that fifty million dollars, you're

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm just saying that's one possibility. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: With Bayden Point. Have you had the opportunity, I know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I have. I've had a comprehensive briefing from

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Speaker 1: All right, So at this stage, though you've obviously had

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Speaker 1: And you're confident then that the federal government would increase

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Speaker 2: Yes, certainly. Obviously it would depend on what the NT

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Speaker 2: to do it. We don't need anything from you guys.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely the federal government would be in favor of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean the things take into account is

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Speaker 2: And that's the thing that we don't know. Is it

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Speaker 2: then we should be allowing them to do so if

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Speaker 2: it means getting more ousie families reunited before Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So really, if you know, if people are prepared

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Speaker 1: Then in terms of you know, the management then of

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Speaker 2: Again, that would be something that would need to be

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I think it's an you know, like, I

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I soon agree, and I'm just saying, let's let's

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Speaker 1: Well, Senator Sam McMahon. Always good to catch up with you.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time to have a chat

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Speaker 2: Yep, no worries, Thanks Katie. Always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. That is Senator Sam McMahon.

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Speaker 1: you think you know? Do you think that we should

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Speaker 1: be using or utilizing two facilities? Obviously it would be

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Speaker 1: privately owned, But I guess the model you would have

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Speaker 1: they're then sort of you know that we're able to

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Speaker 1: keep those expats as safe as possible as well and

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Speaker 1: COVID free so that the whole community stays COVID free.

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Speaker 1: Eight nine four one one four nine is the number

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Speaker 1: if you'd like to call through. But like I said,

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Speaker 1: you know, I actually think that it is a good

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Speaker 1: thing for us as the Northern Territory, whether people are

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Speaker 1: or whether it is at a second facility at Bladon Point,

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Speaker 1: that it is a good thing to be able to

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Speaker 1: bring assi's that want to get back to their families,

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Speaker 1: to be able to bring them home so long as

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Speaker 1: all those procedures and protocols are in place