1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was, and we 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: have got a star started line up this morning. 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 2: Bill and. 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 3: I started, that's a stretch. 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: We've got Matt Cunning home from sky New Difficult in 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: the company of greatness. 7 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 2: This morning. 8 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: We've got keysy of Good morning to you, Keys Morning, 9 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: bush people, and we've got Paul good morning to you. 10 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: Good morning. 11 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 4: I reckon, We're going to have a fun morning. 12 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 5: Oh it's already startable. 13 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: I can see that you're passing a photo around the 14 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: field with some frightening looking eyes from Parliament through the week. 15 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 5: So it's been a very interesting week, there is no 16 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 5: doubt about it, and and it always is. 17 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: I think you'd have to say when parliaments sitting. But 18 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: let's start off with some pretty serious stuff and that 19 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: is the alcohol legislation that did pass weeks after national 20 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: uproar over the Allae Springs crime crisis. Alcohol legislation was 21 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: introduced on urgency in Parliament, but not without the government 22 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: copping hammering. The laws passed the Northern Territory Parliament eight 23 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: months after they'd ended, despite the protests of leading Aboriginal 24 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: Voices and Services at the time of their sea sation. 25 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 5: Now we know that. 26 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: There was some very strong words from Robin Lamley, the 27 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,559 Speaker 1: Member for Ara Lun. There was also some very strong 28 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: words from the CLP. I think much of it. I 29 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: know that both the CLP and the Independence by the 30 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: look of things, supported certainly supported the legislation and I 31 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: think it comes into effect from today yesterday. Ye yes, 32 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: so no doubt that this was very much Needa, but 33 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: it really kicked off what was a pretty crazy week. 34 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: And Matt, I know that you were still watching that, 35 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: I believe late into the hours of Tuesday night. 36 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: I was a sad life. I well, I was. 37 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 3: I was. 38 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: I was sitting in my car in the Woolies car 39 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: park watching the last sort of you know that the 40 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: final stanza of that thoughted episode. That was when this 41 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: LP was trying to ask questions, actual questions about the 42 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: legislation that the government clearly didn't want to answer because 43 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: it was not answering any of them what the standing 44 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: or what it is. 45 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 3: I seven questions made I think the only answered five. 46 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 5: That's yeah right now. 47 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: Some of those questions were actually pretty serious stuff if 48 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: I understand correctly about the ballot, how that's going to 49 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: work in some of the different communities and that kind 50 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: of thing bill. 51 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 52 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 6: Look, the legislation was really rush and hastily put together, 53 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 6: and there was a lot of gaps, lot of holes, 54 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 6: And we're trying to find out and get some idea 55 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 6: of what the legislation is going to mean because we're 56 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 6: getting I know, I am, and I'm getting contact with 57 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 6: people in my elector who want to know what the 58 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 6: details are and what it means for them. So we're 59 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 6: trying to ask questions about how the ball is going 60 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 6: to work because we were told one. 61 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 3: Thing in a briefing and the Chief minist said. 62 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 6: Something completely different in Parliament that it was going to 63 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 6: be the Electric Commission, or it might just be sixty 64 00:02:58,800 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 6: percent of the people. 65 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: Who live in an area. 66 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 6: There was no clear, defining answer that we're trying to 67 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 6: ask that question in consideration, in detail, and they wouldn't 68 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 6: even answer that. So and we're still putting together regulations. 69 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 6: So we've got a piece of legislation that went into 70 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 6: place yesterday. 71 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 3: There's not completely thought through. 72 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 6: They're still putting it together and it's actually already in place, 73 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 6: So figure that one out. 74 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: I guess my biggest concern with it is that there 75 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: are safeguards and in place that those who are maybe 76 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: non drinkers or women or children, that their voices are 77 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: heard as well in some of those communities to ensure 78 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: that the best possible decision for that community is made. 79 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 7: Katie, there's a couple of things that, Yeah, I took 80 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 7: the microphone away film for it. Having abilities is one thing, 81 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 7: But it's the methodology and achieving the results that has 82 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 7: to be carefully looked at, like how did you actually 83 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 7: get the result that you've got the result? 84 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: Now? 85 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 7: I think they have to use the electoral commissioner because otherwise, 86 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 7: how are you going to determine who lives in what 87 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 7: community to determine whether they're eligible to vote. 88 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 6: All that said that, the communities are really quite transia, 89 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 6: so there's a lot of people living in town camps 90 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 6: communities are actually not from there. So why should they 91 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 6: get have a say on what happens in that community 92 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 6: if they're not from it. 93 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 7: And you know, like in a normal election local government 94 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 7: or NT government, is you have a what do you 95 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 7: call it early voting, that kind of thing. You have 96 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 7: postal votes, you have absentee votes, all that sort of stuff. 97 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 7: So is it going to be that kind of election 98 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 7: which I don't have an issue with it. That's what 99 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 7: the intention is and that that's what the people want, 100 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 7: but I think it's fraught with problems. The other thing 101 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 7: that's one to point out, Kade, you referenced earlier in 102 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 7: the piece about the different groups in Alla Springs, you know, 103 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 7: Congress and health people and whatever warned against you know, 104 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,799 Speaker 7: the government not doing anything. There was also a paper 105 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 7: from the federal Prime Minister and Cabinet that was given 106 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 7: out before the sunset clause to the NT government. And 107 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 7: in that document and i'll get you I'll get your name, 108 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 7: proper name of the document. I've got it in my office. 109 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 7: In that document they warned against what exactly happened. That 110 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 7: was prior to the sunset clause. So you can't tell 111 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 7: me this government didn't know the potential what would you say, 112 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 7: problems that were going to arise when the sun set. 113 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 2: The Minister for Indigenous Australians at the time, though, Ken Wyatt, 114 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: I mean I've seen the letter that he sent to 115 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 2: the anti government was in March last year, and I 116 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: mean I'm paraphrasing here, but that letter basically says knock 117 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: yourself out. It says, oh, we're happy with what you're 118 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: doing anti government, you know, go for your life. We're 119 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: happy for stronger futures to sunset for you to do 120 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: your thing. We're happy to it's exactly right. 121 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 8: Well, there's this conflicting information because this paper. 122 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: I'm super keen to see that. 123 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 7: Paper, because this paper said be careful because you're going 124 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 7: to have a problem when alcohol is allowed back into 125 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 7: all the communities that's been prohibited in it's the quick 126 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 7: or the. 127 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,119 Speaker 1: Dead around here, Paul Kirby, you better grab that microphone. 128 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 9: Kesey is pointing at me to have a say, and 129 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 9: then grabbing the microphone place back in front of her. 130 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 9: But yeah, look, obviously a very serious issue. We did 131 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 9: enact that legislation as quickly as we could. I didn't 132 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 9: see it in the briefings that bill said in, but 133 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 9: I do know it was explained to us exactly how 134 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 9: we're explaining it in here. It does need to be 135 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 9: a ballot of people living within that community. It does 136 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 9: need to be people that are on the electoral role 137 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 9: within that community. We obviously want people that are living 138 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 9: there to have the say to protect the women, to 139 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 9: protect the children, to make sure that they're the ones 140 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 9: that are having the say, but there yeah. 141 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: Always have to be a community of a certain size, 142 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: or is it you know, like I know that there 143 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: was reference to outstations that if it's an outstation, that 144 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: it may not need to have a ballot. It might 145 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: just be a matter of them coming to an agreement. 146 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: That's I suppose where that bit of confusion is. 147 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 4: Well. 148 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 9: Some of those outstations only have a handful of families 149 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 9: that live at them, but obviously some of the communities 150 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 9: have thousands of people, and some of the town camps, 151 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 9: as Bill explained, have a very transient population, So you 152 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 9: have to find some way to navigate through that. Some 153 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 9: of those small outstations, you probably could just almost straw 154 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 9: pole the families that are there, and you would get 155 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 9: a very strong indication of how they want to move forward. 156 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 9: Places like town camps that have very transient populations, you 157 00:06:58,040 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 9: have to find a more formal way through, and obviously 158 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 9: the electoral role is the way that we'll do that. 159 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 6: Look, if we have a look at that letter from 160 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 6: Ken White back last year, he put faith in an 161 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 6: Orthern Territory government at the sunsetting of that clause stronger 162 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 6: futures to put in appropriate measures to protect territories. He 163 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 6: was happy with the work. Today you need to carry 164 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 6: the work on. What work did the Labor government do? 165 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 6: They just went, oh, stronger futures and it's an opt 166 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 6: in system. Now you guys will be all right. And 167 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 6: we've seen the result of that in the communities and 168 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 6: our rural and remote areas and of course our small 169 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 6: towns outside of Darwen, and now seeing it in Darwin. 170 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 3: That's the result of that bad disease. 171 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: Well, there is no doubt that you know that that 172 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: period of time since the Stronger Futures legislation ended has 173 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: been incredibly damaging. I mean, all you need to do 174 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: is read the report by Darrell Anderson to get a 175 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: very clear understanding of just how damaging it's been to 176 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: the community, to people of the Northern Territory. But it's 177 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: also been incredibly damaging to the Northern Territory government at 178 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: this point in time. 179 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 5: And you know, I think the things that. 180 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: I've found really frustrating, and I know that a lot 181 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: of our listeners have found really frustrating, is that despite 182 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: everything that's happened, despite the Prime Minister basically having to 183 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: step in and you know say, I mean, we had 184 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: a situation where the Chief Minister had done an interview 185 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: with you, Matt two hours before she then went out 186 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: with the Prime Minister while in Alice Springs, where it 187 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: was basically a total backflip that you know, we won't 188 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: be putting in, we won't be reversing this race based policy. Well, 189 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: now here we are this week in Parliament and that's happened. 190 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: It's mean incredibly damaging to the Chief Minister and incredibly 191 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: damaging to the Northern Territory government. 192 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 5: And there has been a real lack of. 193 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: An apology or sort of you know, an acknowledgment that 194 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: anybody got it wrong. 195 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 2: Steadfast refusal I got anything wrong. I'd be interested to 196 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 2: know Kirby's view, whether do you think do you do 197 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: you admit now that you stuff this up with. 198 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 9: The benefit of Hinze obviously what's happened in Alice Springs, 199 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 9: No bod he enjoys to see that we'll enact this 200 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 9: legislation as we have already, to make sure that any 201 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 9: of the protections that we need in place of our 202 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 9: government will stand pretty strong on the records with local 203 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 9: decision making and the agreements that we've done with traditional 204 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 9: owners in local communities to give them the say over 205 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 9: their future, and we'll step through that process again with 206 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 9: people in communities and in ten town camps. Obviously we 207 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 9: needed to pull the trigger and put this alcohol legislation 208 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 9: in place to make sure that people were protected down there. 209 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 2: It's more than hindsight, though, isn't it. I mean there 210 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 2: was foresight here. There was congress, there was a pint, 211 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: there was amscent, there was just enterprise. There was Marion Scrimger. 212 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 2: There was a host of people John Botha and Donna 213 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: Rchi and others. I think the entire territory saying don't 214 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 2: do this, and you didn't listen to them. Do you 215 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 2: admit now that that was a mistake. 216 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 9: Look, there was a range of things that were put in. 217 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 9: Forty extra coppers that went down to Alice Springs in 218 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 9: acknowledging that there may be an escalation in behavior down there. Obviously, 219 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 9: nobody's enjoyed seeing what's happened down there. Will continue to 220 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 9: work with the Alice Springs people. We've done a host 221 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 9: of work just in the last few weeks. I know 222 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 9: that we've got the in parts of cricket down there 223 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 9: this weekend. I know that we've got a range of 224 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 9: major events that will get through to start attracting people back. 225 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 4: There and making sure that we show the Red Center 226 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 4: in the right light. 227 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: Has there been a direction or an agreement within cabinet 228 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 2: or within carcus or whatever that, when asked about this 229 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 2: issue that ministers are not to at any stage can 230 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 2: see that they made the wrong decision here. 231 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 4: No, there hasn't been. We haven't been instructed to say anything. 232 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 2: Or you just don't think you did make the wrong decision. 233 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 9: I've obviously admitted that nobody has enjoyed what's played out 234 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 9: down there, and we're putting a range of measures in 235 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 9: that we. 236 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 4: Think will fix it up as quickly as possible, and. 237 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 9: We'll continue to work forward and promote Alice Springs in 238 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 9: the best light that we possibly can. 239 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 5: I reckon. 240 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: That's been the frustrating part for people who said, I 241 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: feel like a lot of Territorians are sort of going. 242 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: You know, one of the biggest things I was taught 243 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: as a kid is that when you're stuff up, you know. 244 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 5: You apologize. 245 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: You're face up, you apologize, and that really helps in 246 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: terms of building people's confidence back in. It didn't quite 247 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: a good one, you know, and I just sort of 248 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: can't help, but also think to myself, what about the 249 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: rest of the Northern Territory at the moment. And obviously 250 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: Alla Springs has had incredibly big issues and many communities 251 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: around Central Australia as well, But even at the moment, 252 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: you know, up here in the top end you've got 253 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: people that are screaming out about the anti social behavior 254 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: and the crime that's happening. And I wonder what it's 255 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: going to take for the Northern Territory government to sort 256 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: of go, oh, all right, hang on, we need to 257 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: maybe take a bit further action with this. 258 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 5: One as well. 259 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: I'm hoping we don't need the Prime Minister again to 260 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: be the one that steps in and tells us we've got. 261 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 8: To do something. 262 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 6: Cotie, the Chief Minister has had a number of opportunities 263 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 6: to stand up and apologize first of the people of 264 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 6: Ballle Springs but to the rest of the territory. When 265 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 6: she's now Springs with the Prime Minister, of the opportunity 266 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 6: was there to say to the Ol Springs community, look, look, 267 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 6: we made a mistake, we. 268 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 3: Made an error. 269 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 6: We're going to rectify that era where where you apologize 270 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 6: for what's happened again in Parliament this week with the 271 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 6: introduction of this legislation. The introduction of the speech from 272 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 6: the Chief Minister was insulting to the people of Central Australia. 273 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 6: I think insulting to a lot of territories because there 274 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 6: was no admission of an error made. It was just 275 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 6: now we're putting in these things to fix this thing. 276 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 6: But the issue was of Labour's creation. 277 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 5: Katie. 278 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 7: Yes, a mistake was made, even though the government won't 279 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 7: admit it, and yes you put things in place such 280 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 7: that you try and rectify the situation. But what the 281 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 7: government is going to struggle with is the financial cost 282 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 7: not only to the community from the damage it's been done. 283 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 7: But I know of three, but now being told, there's 284 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 7: five major conferences that are not coming to l Springs. 285 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 3: First, I thought another one yesterday keys. 286 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 7: Yet first of all it was the motor cross which 287 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 7: is coming to a pacer, which is great. 288 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 8: Then the and mob Then there was a. 289 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 7: Nursing lot and you you've got some so that's massive. 290 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 8: That's millions that get put into that town and that's gone. 291 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 6: There was one yesterday. I got advised by manager of 292 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 6: a motel chain down here. You told me yesterday morning 293 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 6: at breakfast at a huge conference in October which was 294 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 6: taking up most of the large accommodation here is Nellie Springs, 295 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 6: which was lasted as in the Double Tree is now 296 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 6: canceled and they've gone. So that's hundreds of people hard 297 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 6: to prove conference. 298 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: It's a huge hit to the Northern Territory economy, to 299 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: the Alla Springs economy, there is no doubt about that. 300 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: The thing is, it's I'm not actually surprised, you know. 301 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: Like I'd spoken to Daniel Rochford towards the end of 302 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: last year and he'd said, Katie, this is a national emergency, 303 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: like we need this sorted. 304 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: You know. 305 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: That was last year we had a situation where their 306 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: chairman at the time had been assaulted in the car 307 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: park at Coles. It was not a surprise, I don't 308 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: think to anybody some of that behavior and some of 309 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: what was going on. 310 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 2: I went back through some of my old stuff yesterday 311 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: and I've got a story I did last July with 312 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 2: Robin Lanley standing out the front of Parliament saying this 313 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 2: is a national crisis and the country needs to stand 314 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 2: up and take notice. This is going to be an 315 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: absolute disaster. That was. That was in late July last year, 316 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 2: I think a week after the stronger futures had sunset it. 317 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously the issues in Alice Springs had been 318 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 2: escalating for I think it probably the last three years, 319 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 2: but in the last six months it's been terrible and terrible. 320 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 2: I don't think anyone could say that the government wasn't 321 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: born that this was going to be the case. 322 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: And I think that that's the frustrating partner. I guess curbs, 323 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: you know this is where we go to you is 324 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,359 Speaker 1: that it? 325 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 5: Then? 326 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: I guess the frustrating thing on top of that is 327 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: the fact that the government's sort of trying to you know, 328 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: there's nothing to see here. 329 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 5: Yep. 330 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: We made the changes once we you know, once we 331 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: realized that there was an issue, and once we met 332 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: with the Prime Minister or whatever, and once we got 333 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: that funding agreement with the federal government. But you know, 334 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's the community then 335 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: that continues to suffer. It is the community then that 336 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: is going to suffer as a result of those events 337 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: not happening. It's local business, it's everybody, you know, whether 338 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: you're a business person with just a regular person living 339 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: in the town and it has a massive impact. 340 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 9: I don't think there's ever been a nothing to see 341 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 9: here attitude from us. We were obviously all down there 342 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 9: last week and that was set up well well before 343 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 9: Christmas for us all to go down to Alice Springs 344 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 9: for a caucus meeting really early in the year, so 345 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 9: we spent quite a bit of time out. It's lovely 346 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 9: to see people out and about, you know, joggers pushbike 347 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 9: riders at that dusk time, but a real passion from 348 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 9: us to try and get people back into the mall, 349 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 9: to buddy to stay here, claim there, to make sure 350 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 9: that people can come out and activate the city again 351 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 9: with events, to make sure that that families feel comfortable 352 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 9: to come out. So looking forward, that's exactly what we'll 353 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 9: be concentrating on, to make sure that Partsma brings an 354 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 9: event back into the mall so that people feel safe 355 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 9: they can come down and see that event, to make 356 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 9: sure that events like the AFL still go ahead. So 357 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 9: from our perspective, we will be tipping as much into 358 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 9: it as we possibly can. Obviously, you know, the media 359 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 9: that we've had will make some people think about bringing 360 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 9: conferences or anything like that. Our message today issues you're 361 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 9: not denying. I'm not denying the issue, but I'm saying 362 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 9: it has had a lot of coverage, so people will 363 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 9: be making those decisions. 364 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: Where it's a good idea to stop things before they 365 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: get to that point where it reaches the national media. 366 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 6: We're talking about parch Parchmer hasn't been in the mall 367 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 6: for the last two years because of safety concerns, right, 368 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 6: so partser was pulled out of them all and moved 369 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 6: only out to the Desert Park in other areas. It 370 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 6: was a feature of Parchma to run it in the 371 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 6: mall and include the entire community. Two years ago that 372 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 6: ceased because of safety issues. So it's been going on 373 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 6: for a while. So I'd like to see Parchment back 374 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 6: in the mall again. The government are going to have 375 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 6: to do a hell of a lot of work to 376 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 6: make the place safe before we can do it, and 377 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 6: I hope they're able to do that. 378 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 5: Look, we're going to take a very short break. 379 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four nine's three 380 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: sixty the week that was, and there is a lot 381 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: to cover off this way in the studio this morning 382 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: for the week that was, We've got Bill Yan, Matt Cunningham. 383 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 5: Keesi Epuric and Paul Kirby. 384 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: Now we know that yesterday a motion passed through the 385 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: Northern Territory Parliament for the Northern Territory Parliament to support 386 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: the Voice. 387 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 5: A lot of. 388 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: Discussion about this over the last sort of twenty four 389 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: hours or so, about whether this was a bit of 390 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: a political stunt. 391 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 7: Bit of a political stunt only only a bit, honey, 392 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 7: big bit. 393 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: What I mean, was this a tacked Paul Kirby to 394 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: you know, to really get off the agenda some of 395 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: the other pressing issues that people are concerned about and 396 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: and you know, have everybody speaking about something else the Voice. 397 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 4: Absolutely not. It was the first sittings for the year. 398 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 4: We know that. 399 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 1: Those listening everybody's laughing in the background quietly can continue 400 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: on place. 401 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 9: Curbs at first sittings in the Northern Territory. The ULARU 402 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 9: statement started in the Northern Territory. We're going to have 403 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 9: a vote to enshrine vote later on in the Commonwealth Parliament. 404 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 9: And absolutely it was the right time for us. South 405 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 9: Australia just rushed in and legislated it. So we weren't 406 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 9: doing that. We just bought a motion to the House. 407 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 9: There was also statement sport to the House to talk 408 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 9: about yea to lay out the year ahead. Support absolutely 409 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 9: the time of the year to bring forward something that 410 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 9: sets the direasion for the Rularoo Statement from the Heart. Sorry, 411 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 9: you guys support the ulary Statement from the Heart absolutely. 412 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 9: So how come when Yingyagiula moved an amendment for that 413 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 9: motion to be that was carried in the Parliament to 414 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 9: be support for the ulary statement of the Heart in full, 415 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 9: not just the Voice to Parliament, but the Macarata Commission 416 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 9: and the treaty, you guys voted against that amendment. What 417 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 9: we wanted to ensure yesterday that people had the opportunity 418 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 9: just to voice their support in general for the Voice 419 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 9: to move forward. You know that we just hang on, 420 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 9: hang on what we saw a number of you years ago, 421 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 9: many years ago when statehood was floated in the Northern Territory, 422 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 9: that it got confused and convoluted with a range of 423 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 9: other issues and didn't get up. Now, we didn't want 424 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 9: yesterday to be about that. We've spoken with mister Guyula 425 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,239 Speaker 9: and he was comfortable. He voted with us on our 426 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 9: side of Parliament to ensure that the motion to acknowledge 427 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 9: the voice and to support that going forward, all of 428 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 9: those other debates have to happen. We're not saying that, 429 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 9: but we didn't want it yesterday to get this stand. 430 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 2: I don't understand though, because like chance, he made a 431 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: big speech about the Ullery statement from the Heart, and 432 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 2: he quoted from the Ullery statement from the Heart and 433 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 2: he said that if you don't you know, if you 434 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: haven't read the Ullery statement from the Heart, you know 435 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: it's a disgrace. And Duran Young quoted length from the 436 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 2: statement from the Heart. But then when ingy Gyula said 437 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 2: well let's have this motion adopt the statement of the 438 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 2: heart into ulus statement, you guys knocked the back. I 439 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 2: don't understand because I don't think they. 440 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 4: Knew that's not correct. 441 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 9: As I said, speak about a lot of different things, 442 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 9: but bringing motions to the House to start to change 443 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 9: the amendment, sorry to the House to change the motion 444 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 9: that was on the floor is a different matter. We 445 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,959 Speaker 9: didn't want to confuse or convolute. We just simply wanted 446 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 9: to acknowledge and take a step forward, take a step 447 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 9: forward together, and unfortunately the c ORB weren't. 448 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 2: Allowed to do that. That was that was it. 449 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 9: Was amazing to see everybody locked behind a gate because 450 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 9: they weren't allowed to vote. Is in that motion just 451 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 9: a basic motion to acknowledge that we've got a lot 452 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 9: of it. 453 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 2: I'll get to them in a minute. 454 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 3: I'm ready waiting. 455 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 2: But is this not another example? I mean, we had 456 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 2: the example with Stronger Futures with Marion Scrimser and just 457 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 2: Senter Price saying this is a disasters that two Aboriginal 458 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 2: people in the Federal Parliament saying this is a disaster, 459 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 2: don't do this, and you didn't listen to them. Again, 460 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 2: here you've got an Aboriginal person from a remote community 461 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 2: who's in the Parliament saying I said, are you doing here? 462 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 2: But please do this as well, and you don't listen 463 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 2: to him either. I just kind of it's this sort 464 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 2: of stark contradiction between a campaigning for a voice to 465 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 2: Parliament when we're racking up example after example of where voices, 466 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 2: Aboriginal voices in Parliament are saying to you, please do 467 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 2: this and you just ignore them. 468 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 4: And not absolutely not ignored. 469 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 9: I will take Unenrich that he was spoken to repeatedly 470 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 9: yesterday in a really collaborative manner, and we will work 471 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 9: with mister Guyl so that on the general business days 472 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 9: when he has a capacity to bring forward a motion 473 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 9: to debate. 474 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 4: He will absolutely be supported to do that. So I guess. 475 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: Then, taking that into account, is it a situation here 476 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: where the you know, that motion was actually being used 477 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: more so to try and force the CLP one for 478 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: them to actually, you know. 479 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 5: Well tell us whether you do or do not support 480 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 5: the Voice. 481 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 8: Katie Katy, I think I might have mentioned this before 482 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 8: on your show. 483 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 7: Is just in the price has or senator prices come 484 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 7: out and as part of the national parties know they 485 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 7: won't be supporting it. And I did hear her on 486 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 7: radio someone's radio and she said, yes, the CLP will 487 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 7: support me or agree with me. Now once she's not 488 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 7: in a position to do that, to tell the COLP 489 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 7: what they can or can't do. But of course, I mean, 490 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 7: of course this was a strategy by the government to 491 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 7: wedge the CLP because you've got her senator down South 492 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 7: saying all these things against the Voice for whatever reasons 493 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 7: that she puts up. And so the government was just 494 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 7: testing the COLP and the fact that they abstained I 495 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 7: abstain I'm not I've made it public I'm not supporting 496 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 7: the Voice because there's literally not enough information and I 497 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 7: think there's plenty of representation anyway. But it was in 498 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 7: my view, it was clearly a strategy to wedge the CLP. 499 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 8: And I think they handle it very well. 500 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 6: Do you support the Voice, I've always said, and my 501 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 6: position has always been really clear, and it's from day one. 502 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 6: I'll support the Voice, okay, when we can see what 503 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 6: it's actually going to do for the people out in 504 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 6: the bush. 505 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 3: You know, I'm out talking to. 506 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 6: People in my electorate and talking to people in the 507 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 6: bush and they don't understand and don't know what it is. 508 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 6: And that's a problem. You're asking people who is going 509 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 6: to directly affect toat on something that they don't understand 510 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 6: and they don't know about. And I've always said the 511 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 6: Labor Party and the government need to get out and 512 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 6: talk to the people in the bush and explain to 513 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 6: them what it is, because they're asking me and I 514 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 6: don't really know what it is because I can't get 515 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 6: any information either. So I'll support anything that will make 516 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 6: the lives of the people in the bush better and 517 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 6: will certainly help the people in my electorate have a 518 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 6: better life and get better outcomes. 519 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 3: So I'll always support that. When they can show me 520 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 3: that it'll do that, I'll be there with my hand 521 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 3: up saying I support it. 522 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 6: But I need that information and a lot of territorianes 523 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 6: need that information because it's just not there and what 524 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 6: happened in Parliament yes day, it's not up to our 525 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 6: local parliament here in Northern Territory to come out and 526 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 6: invote yes or know to support the voice. That's what 527 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 6: the referendums for the referendum is the mechanism for every 528 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 6: Australian and every territory and to say yes or no 529 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 6: on what they think about this issue. 530 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 2: So why are three branches at least of the CLP 531 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: putting forward motions saying that the body should adopt the 532 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: position of know. 533 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 6: I suppose that's a great thing about democracy at the 534 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 6: end of the day, because within our party everybody gets 535 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 6: to have their own voice, and tomorrow at our Central Council, 536 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 6: everyone will get up and be able to speak and 537 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 6: have their voice and explain their point of virtune and 538 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 6: the party position. You're going to say we should support 539 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 6: this and we should oppose it. I'm a delegate, so 540 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 6: I don't get to have a vote. 541 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 2: Well, you get to tell us here now and then 542 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 2: what what what? What? What do you think the party 543 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 2: should do? Should it support it or should I'll be up. 544 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 6: There and I'll be speaking to the party about the 545 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 6: fours and against all right, I said, I'm going to 546 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 6: put out against. 547 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 3: So it'll be up to the. 548 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 6: Party as to how they vote on what they want 549 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 6: to do. And that's that's that's what democracy is, and 550 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 6: that's what our party is going to do. They will 551 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 6: make that decision tomorrow. There'll be some in our party 552 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 6: who support it and some people who don't. And I'm 553 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 6: sure there's possibly some people in the labor camp who 554 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 6: are the same way. I know there's people in the 555 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 6: bush who feel. 556 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 3: The same way. 557 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 6: Some want to support it, some don't, some want to know, 558 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 6: and there's a lot that want to know what's going 559 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 6: to be in it. 560 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 3: So that'll happen to him. 561 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 2: I've had several people from within your party express concerns 562 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 2: for me in the past twenty four hours that if 563 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 2: the CLP adopts a position officially opposing the Voice, then 564 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 2: it could mean big trouble, particularly for you. I think 565 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 2: you hold your seat by twenty two votes and Steve 566 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 2: Edgerton holds his by seven that you and him. One 567 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 2: person put it to me, They said, Bill Yan and 568 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 2: Steve Edgerton can kiss their seats goodbye. If the CLP 569 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 2: votes know to the Voice. Are you concerned about that? 570 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 6: Oh, it'll make Elections are elections. You never know if 571 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 6: you're going to win, you never know if you're going 572 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 6: to lose. I'm not out on I said, I want 573 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 6: to win the next election. If our party goes down 574 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 6: the line of saying that they're not going to support 575 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 6: the boys, well then I'm going to have to get 576 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 6: out there and make sure that I'm explaining that to 577 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 6: the people in my elector, but also explaining to the 578 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 6: people in my electric what a seal P. 579 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 3: Government will do for them. If we're elected at the 580 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 3: next election. 581 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 6: It will make my job difference, It'll make it. 582 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 2: It's just that's politics. 583 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: That's the way it is. 584 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 2: Party wing still possibly support the Voice, even if the 585 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 2: party of the parliamentary wing support the Voice. Even if 586 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 2: the party itself doesn't. 587 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 3: I can't speak for the wing. That's a discussion. 588 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 2: Will have to have part of the wing. 589 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 3: I'm part of the wing, but I'm only one part 590 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 3: of seven. 591 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 9: To suggest that you can't put your hand up and 592 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,719 Speaker 9: acknowledge that this is the right direction to head because 593 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 9: you don't know each and every detail about the debate 594 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 9: that might happen along. 595 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 4: That way is just a cop out bill. 596 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 9: You absolutely know that you can put your hand up 597 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 9: and support the direction that this is going to take 598 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 9: us in. 599 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 4: To better the voice and the established. 600 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 6: Canons for something that they don't understand or don't know 601 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 6: about is a fool. 602 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 5: Part is sorry. 603 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 7: You like going to the bank and saying I want 604 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 7: to borrow some money, but not giving the bank any 605 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 7: details about what you know you just want to do 606 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 7: with money. 607 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 5: But the interesting part. 608 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 9: In every in every week of our life as adult, 609 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 9: we have to step into things without knowing. It's a 610 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 9: part of change. A part of change is not understanding 611 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 9: and everybody fears it at different times in their lives. 612 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 9: But to not acknowledge that this is the direction that 613 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 9: we need to lead as the Northern Territory government, and 614 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 9: with the opposition being a part of that, you have 615 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 9: the opportunity yesterday to cement to say that yes, we're happy, 616 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 9: we want more information. You look at your federal leader 617 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 9: who's now saying years ago I was on the wrong 618 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 9: side of politics and I got that wrong. 619 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 4: And I think you guys will find themselves in that. 620 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 2: Station to the Karma Langton Report, curbs have no Well, well, 621 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: if you had, you would know that the proposal that 622 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 2: is being put. And this is when whenever the Prime 623 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 2: Ministers asked for detail on the voice, he points to 624 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 2: the Karmel Langton Report. Right, So the Karma Langton Report 625 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 2: has a structure for a National Voice that has twenty 626 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 2: four people on it. The Northern Territory, which has seventy 627 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 2: four thousand Aboriginal resonents, according to the Karma Langton Report, 628 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 2: gets three people on the National Voice. The Act which 629 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 2: has seven thousand and gets too. I've asked the Chief 630 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 2: Minister and others about this and it just washes over them. 631 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 2: I don't know, but surely here in the Northern Territory 632 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 2: we need to ask these sort of questions. Well, we 633 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 2: need to say, are Aboriginal people in remote parts of 634 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 2: the Northern Territory, in Central Australia, in Northeast arnam Land, 635 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 2: in the West daily region, are they going to get 636 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 2: adequate representation? 637 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: That's my look and that's my biggest concern. I am 638 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: very supportive of the Voice. Like I do, I believe 639 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: it needs to happen, but I do believe that there 640 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: needs to be a lot further detail, and that is 641 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: the kind of detail that I'm still seeking for me 642 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: as a resident of the Northern Territory, I think, how 643 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: can we ensure that places like the Northern Territory are 644 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: represented in the way that they should be. Thirty three 645 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: percent of our population is Indigenous. How do we make 646 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: sure that we in a location and a lot of 647 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: Northern Australia, it could be argued, have got you know issues, 648 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: We've got some of the you know, some of the 649 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: poorest health conditions for territorians. How can we make sure 650 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: that those territorians are represented on that voice rather. 651 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 5: Than it being you know, people living in elite pass. 652 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 8: Questions. 653 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 7: And the other thing, Katie is if this kind of 654 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 7: representative body is to be established, that's another layer. 655 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 2: You know. 656 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 7: We've got local government and shires representing people, including Aboriginal people. 657 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 7: You've got Northern Territory government representing Aboriginal people amongst other people. 658 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 7: Then you've got your commorf government. Then you've got your 659 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 7: land councils, you know, and now we're going to have 660 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 7: another layout. 661 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 2: Actually, because there's a regional Voice that sits under the 662 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 2: National LA So we've got to head I mean the 663 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 2: Regional Voice. To be honest, they've tried to they've tried 664 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: to address issues with you know, making sure there is 665 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 2: that regional representation. So there's thirty five representatives on the 666 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 2: Regional Voice that sits below the National Voice, and we 667 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 2: get six of those. But I think if the Northern 668 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 2: Territory government only has three of twenty four representatives on 669 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 2: that National Voice, and the Act gets to and Victoria 670 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 2: gets to and Tasmania gets to and South Australia gets three, 671 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: we're getting a raw deal. 672 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 7: And really quite ironic because Tom Karma is from the 673 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 7: Northern Territory, so if we're getting a raw deal, then 674 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 7: he's not looking after where he's come from. 675 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 5: Well, look, we are going to have to take a 676 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 5: very short break. 677 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: If you've just joined us, Paul Kirby, Keesy Eperic, Matt 678 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: Cunningham and Bill Yan. 679 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 5: Where shall we go next? Well, Projects Sea Dragon. 680 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: We know that the plans to build one of the 681 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: world's largest prawn farms at a remote cattle station on 682 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: the border between the Northern territory and wa dead in 683 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: the water with prawn entity behind the projects calling in 684 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: the administrators. No and look, I guess the concern here 685 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: is from a much broader perspective. It is Project Sea 686 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: Dragon that we're talking about. But we also know that 687 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: there's been some issues with the sun Cable project and 688 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: you know even a. 689 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 7: Lot of these things will come down to finance, probably 690 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 7: sun Cable as as well as his prawn proposed development, 691 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 7: Like we don't know. The government put infrastructure in and 692 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 7: I don't have any issue with that because infrastructure is 693 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 7: not going to be way that it will be. Then 694 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 7: it will be used somehow by people in the Turkey elship. 695 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 7: All the road to know that itself will be a 696 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 7: tourist attraction, you know, like no name down. 697 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 8: At Lisbeth Fall. 698 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 7: It be a big tourist siding ground saying this is 699 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 7: the road to know where people. 700 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 5: I thought people were happy that it was there. 701 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 8: No, that's not the road. On the board of w 702 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 8: A out to the stations, out to the stations. 703 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 7: Thanks people, That's what I'm saying. The infrastructure will be 704 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 7: appreciated by territories from now on. In I said previously 705 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 7: that perhaps you know giving a project major status is 706 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 7: good for a company because it looks good in their 707 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 7: annual reports. It looks good to the stock exchange if 708 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 7: you're looking to invest in that company, and it's not 709 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 7: done lightly and it's meant to expedite and try and 710 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 7: get the push. 711 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 5: Is fair enough. 712 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 6: With an all territory government gives a project major status, 713 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 6: it's like the kiss of death. 714 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 7: Well so far it looks like that, but I think 715 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 7: we need This was always an ambitious project, the same 716 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 7: as the sun Cable, hugely ambitious. I when we're talking 717 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,959 Speaker 7: about the biggest prawn farm in the world, when there 718 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 7: are other countries that have similar projects to this, and 719 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,719 Speaker 7: they've been up and running for a long time. So 720 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 7: I'd say fundamentally there's been some issue behind the scenes 721 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 7: to do with finance and investors, and I'd say there 722 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 7: was probably an issue with the transport links and getting 723 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 7: their product to market. It's one thing to grow something 724 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 7: or to dig something up, but you've got to get 725 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 7: that product to market. So I think there's probably a 726 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 7: whole lot of factors that contributed to its demise. 727 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 5: Well, and no doubt there would be. 728 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: But I guess you know, at the end of the 729 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: day that along with the you know, the situation with 730 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: the sun Cable, the delays to the ship lift, and 731 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's getting increasingly difficult. I would think for 732 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government to reach the point of their 733 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: forty billion dollar economy by twenty thirty clubs, do you 734 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: still genuinely believe that you can get there? 735 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 736 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 4: Absolutely. 737 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 9: We will continue to make audacious asks and put projects 738 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 9: on the table for the Northern Territory because that's what 739 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 9: we have to do. We'll continue to support our industries 740 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,959 Speaker 9: and our agriculture and things that are here and are 741 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 9: the staples of the Northern Territory. One of the things 742 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 9: for the Prawn Farm was they were looking to do 743 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 9: the biggest ponds that have ever been done in Australia. 744 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 9: They've worked overseas in different places, but they just couldn't 745 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 9: get their investors across the line to understand that they 746 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 9: were going to work here. Sun Cable obviously a couple 747 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 9: of very very wealthy people having a disagreement about how 748 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 9: the project's going to progress. We understand that ship lift, 749 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 9: for example, to understand that massive company, the proprietor that 750 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 9: was going to and hopefully still will have an involvement 751 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 9: in that project, but a number of projects in the 752 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 9: state and overseas that get into trouble that mean that 753 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 9: that organization gets into trouble. Yes, these big projects do 754 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 9: have glimpse on the radar, but I'll remind people Impacts 755 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 9: was the biggest gas project ever to take place in 756 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 9: the Southern Hemisphere. Like, we can do these big projects, 757 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 9: so we'll continue. 758 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: To work to be diversifying the economy. So that, I 759 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: think was the whole point that we didn't want to 760 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: be reliant on just one project to get to that 761 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: forty billion dollar economy by twenty thirty. 762 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 5: I mean we're seven years away. Now, how are we 763 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 5: going to get. 764 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 9: There from growing our ag from continuing to invest in 765 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,399 Speaker 9: our cattle, our mining sector, or continue to grow over 766 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 9: the over the coming years. I think training, from my perspective, 767 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 9: is really important in making sure that people right across 768 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 9: the territory have better opportunities into better jobs as a 769 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 9: range of things that will continue to do as the 770 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 9: territory government to make sure we get these engaged projects. 771 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 5: It like what is our what is our economy worth? 772 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: Now? 773 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 9: I know that our budget only runs at about seven 774 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,959 Speaker 9: or eight billion dollars at the moment, but as for 775 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 9: overall egenomic value through the territory, haven't got those figures. 776 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 5: Do you see what I'm getting at? 777 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: Like you're sort of going, we're sort of saying, all right, 778 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: we're going to build the economy by twenty thirty, so 779 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: in seven years time to that forty billion dollars. But 780 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: we we don't, like by the sounds of it, we 781 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: don't have a huge amount of new projects coming out 782 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: of the ground. We've got the beat. 783 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 2: Looo to say they're going to yeah it most of 784 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:11,879 Speaker 2: the time. 785 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 6: That's even the major investors pulled out of that one 786 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 6: that's and sold to somebody else. 787 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 7: Part of the issue with the beat loo I mean, 788 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 7: we know there's plenty of gas. There is the the 789 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,919 Speaker 7: proponents is getting their offsets. You know, there's a problem 790 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 7: with getting carbon offsets. And that's the technical part of 791 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 7: the program or the legal part of the program. But 792 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 7: I mean there's a lot of gas, then they're going 793 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 7: to need the gas on the Eastern seaboard. But you know, 794 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 7: in fairness to the government, you know they're working hard 795 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 7: on the Middle Arm industrial development and I know TNNG 796 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 7: are looking to possibly have their processing plant there, and 797 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 7: you know there's there's other companies looking to have hydrogen 798 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 7: plants there, you know, for green hydrogen, which is the 799 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 7: good one, you know. So they're good projects. They're not 800 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 7: necessarily massive world class projects. But I mean, governments just 801 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 7: do this as a matter of course. I've just got 802 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 7: to keep working. And this is where the public servants 803 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 7: play a key role because they're the ones technical people 804 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 7: on the ground that are meant to be seeking these 805 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 7: these companies out because that middle arm industrial area, the 806 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 7: kind of companies that go there will be big companies, 807 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 7: you know, they're not just the little companies tgs. 808 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 6: But it needs to address that the red tape and 809 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 6: the beige tape. But I'm hearing more and more about 810 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 6: this beige tape everywhere ago and everybody got talked to 811 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 6: because the longer a project is held up in cost 812 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 6: money with red tape. 813 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 8: The windows of opportunity class and. 814 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 6: There else, it's costing more and more to develop something 815 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,240 Speaker 6: every day. I suppose the ship lift is a good example. 816 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 6: Back when I was first proposed all those years ago, 817 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 6: it was worth x me and but of course steel 818 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,799 Speaker 6: and everything else has gone up, so it's now double 819 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 6: or tripled in price. It may come to a point 820 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 6: where it might be unviable the cost for us. It'd 821 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 6: be really sad to see, Katie. 822 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 7: The other thing that's that's on the horizon and Minister 823 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 7: for Resources that event Paul would be aware of this 824 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 7: is the Sunrise gas project in the team will see that's. 825 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 8: Starting to come back up. 826 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 7: You know, even though you know our federal government sort 827 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 7: of poo who about gas and gas is not necessarily good. 828 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 8: These team are people. They're saying, bring it to us, 829 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 8: will elements, So we can't let that opportunity go. 830 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 1: Please don't mistake my questioning for talking the territory down. 831 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,439 Speaker 1: I'm not doing that in any way. Potential potential there, 832 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 1: But what I want is for us to reach our potential. 833 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,760 Speaker 1: And I think that you can throw these figures around, 834 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 1: like you know, forty billion dollars by twenty thirty, but 835 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: there's got to actually be some KPIs and there's got 836 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: to actually be. 837 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 5: Some how did they get for demonstration? Well that's exactly right. 838 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: Now. We've got these major projects that I mean to 839 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: get us there and then they're falling for. 840 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 3: Okay, I tell you what. 841 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what's on the immediate horizon that I 842 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 2: think is probably going to have more impact than any 843 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 2: of these projects is defense, because the Strategic Review of 844 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 2: Defense is out early next month, and every indication is 845 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 2: that they're going to say there's no point having troops 846 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 2: based in Adelaide fighting penguins when the action's on up here. 847 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 5: Well, it certainly is. 848 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 2: Yeah here, the penguins will be happy about that. 849 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 3: Haven't done anything to anybody. 850 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,280 Speaker 8: Well, so you have to think the other thing, Katie. 851 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 7: I mean, we've got the US Marines that come through 852 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 7: the turtory on a rotational basis. Then I was talking 853 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 7: to someone recently and he said, look, there's going to 854 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 7: come a stage when the Americans are wanted going to 855 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 7: build permanent accommodation for these people. I don't want them 856 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 7: in the barracks or wherever. Yeah, so that's housing. Basically, 857 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 7: they did it in Guam, and they do it elsewhere 858 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 7: where they have American soldiers based for whatever reason. So 859 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 7: that's lethal deepwater port. You know, my mother's got a 860 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 7: hundred acopadic. You know, we could chop it up and 861 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 7: put a few marines. 862 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 5: Ready to subdivide him. 863 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:32,720 Speaker 7: About the chickening, help the chocks when the snakes come Marines. 864 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 7: But so there's I agree with Matt, there's huge scope 865 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 7: in defense spending. 866 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to take a very 867 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: short break before we do though. Jerry would send a 868 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: message and said perhaps the Parliament should go down to 869 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: Alice Springs like it used to. This would show some 870 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: faiths and support for the Alla Springs community. 871 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 5: That one there from Jerry. What do you reckon curse? 872 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, No, we've absolutely talked about it. 873 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 9: I think some of the security protocols around Parliament are 874 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 9: a lot different now to what they used to be 875 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 9: many years ago. 876 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 10: So as a result of the crime, this was many 877 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 10: in the in the Henda Claire Martin days. There was 878 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 10: they had it at the convention center there and there 879 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 10: was there was a massive it was a meeting. 880 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 2: If I remember correctly. 881 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 9: I absolutely talked about it in twenty sixteen when we 882 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 9: first came in. 883 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 4: But I don't think we're able to get it off 884 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 4: the ground. 885 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: We are going to take a very short break before 886 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 1: we wrap up this morning. Keys here, I know that 887 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,320 Speaker 1: I believe you moved emotion or did something in Parliament 888 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 1: to review the Eyekak wanting to see. 889 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 5: A review of the Ekak. I thought that the government 890 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 5: was already doing that. 891 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 7: They are, Katie. They had mister Shanahan, Greg Shanahana are 892 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 7: past seeing the public servant do the review. We never 893 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 7: saw theview report, but some of what he recommended or 894 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 7: didn't has gone into a discussion paper and people can 895 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 7: comment on that, which they've done, which just last year. 896 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 7: And yes, the government has said there'll be an exposure draft, 897 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 7: but they. 898 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 8: Haven't set a timetable. Now, that was part of it, 899 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 8: you know, like what's happening the government. The Act does 900 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:54,240 Speaker 8: need reviewing. 901 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,800 Speaker 7: It's been in for three or four years, and everyone 902 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 7: agrees there's components that really need to be changed. 903 00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,879 Speaker 8: There's some real serious flaws in there. 904 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,839 Speaker 7: And that's understandable with a new piece of legislation, because 905 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 7: this legislation was brand new. And so after three years, yep, 906 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 7: all the flaws have been shown to exist and they've 907 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 7: got to be changed or got rid of. But the 908 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 7: other component was in regards to how the whistleblower concept 909 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 7: works or doesn't work, because I said in my speech 910 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 7: that yes, it's fine to say whistleblowers are protected, but 911 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 7: a whistleblower comes forward, and I have gone in for 912 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 7: a support person who was a whistleblower because the others 913 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 7: in that area it was education. I'll say, you're too 914 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 7: scared to come forward. So my person gave all the 915 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 7: information to this key person in the department. 916 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 2: On the education department, in. 917 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 7: The education department that people could contact. No one has 918 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,760 Speaker 7: contacted those persons. The problem is still there. It involves 919 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 7: misuse of public funds in one of one of our 920 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 7: schools in the top end. And no one contacted these 921 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 7: people privately. So why would there be any fact that 922 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 7: man my whistle blow we'll call him my whistleblower. That 923 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,760 Speaker 7: person then got hounded by the department, and that person's 924 00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,799 Speaker 7: not a public servant, but was in a role of 925 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 7: being gaugement with. 926 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 5: There has to be safeguards for people. 927 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 7: And a fellow, another fellow I've tried to help, is 928 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 7: a whistleblower from a few years back, and he's still 929 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 7: got issues and he was he put stuff forward into 930 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 7: his departments and he just got hounded and moved out. 931 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 8: Sacked and board. 932 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,320 Speaker 5: It's interesting, that's why would. 933 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,840 Speaker 7: A public servant come forward when there's a serious problem 934 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 7: in the department and it's usually someone higher up the chain. 935 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 7: Whatever the problem is, and yes, I get it that 936 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 7: the new commissioner had to get rid of a lot 937 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 7: of stuff because it was probably just not relevant. And 938 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,720 Speaker 7: part of the stuff he briefed me on is he'd 939 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 7: send a case back to the department to deal with 940 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 7: but that's not happening. Where's the order to say, so 941 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 7: this person, you can department sorted out, so then they're 942 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 7: going to identify the whistle blower and then and that 943 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 7: cannot happen. So there's there's a disconnect. So that was 944 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 7: part of my MPI as well. Member for Blaine also 945 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 7: raised issues in regards to to do with housing and 946 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,440 Speaker 7: DIPPLE and issues that are problems going on there. I mean, 947 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,800 Speaker 7: no one wants to see any improper conduct misuse of 948 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 7: public funds. But you know, the previous i CAQ hounded 949 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,720 Speaker 7: the turf club over twelve million dollars grant by the government, 950 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,400 Speaker 7: and yet this issue of misuse of public funds in 951 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,799 Speaker 7: regards to the education system and people who've been put 952 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 7: into jobs not on merit is well over twelve million 953 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 7: dollars that could be at risk. 954 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 8: So that's the disconnect. I think concern and I. 955 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 2: Think you probably raised this last night, but I think 956 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 2: the bigger concern that with the I CACK and hats 957 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 2: off to the new commissioner who's clearly been trying to 958 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 2: store a reputation of that office. But how how is 959 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 2: a whistleblower going to feel confident coming forward to the 960 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,399 Speaker 2: I CACK when there were whistleblowers within the I CACK 961 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,720 Speaker 2: blowing the whistle on they believe was in proper conduct 962 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,319 Speaker 2: within the I CACK and the IKACK commissioner. That gets 963 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:49,920 Speaker 2: up under parliamentary privilege, privilege and tigers. 964 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 5: Interesting. 965 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,400 Speaker 8: A question, Katie is why is the government sitting on this? 966 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 8: You can't tell me that that was. 967 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 5: Going to be made public. I thought we'd ask that question. 968 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,359 Speaker 2: The government mans to actually dig in properly to what 969 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 2: has happened within its IICK. 970 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:04,760 Speaker 4: It doesn't. 971 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 2: It wants to say it was one it was one 972 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 2: bad egg. You know, he's gone. The new guys in 973 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 2: everything's fine. 974 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 6: But I mean we've got to restore some confidence in 975 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 6: IC and that's that's that's the public of lost confidence 976 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 6: in IKK. Sadly with the old commissioner and some of 977 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 6: those things that happened to a number of people. Again, 978 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,640 Speaker 6: hats off to the new ik he's doing a great job, 979 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,919 Speaker 6: but he's dealing with the stigma and the government needs 980 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 6: to step up and somehow restore confidence in the ik 981 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:31,840 Speaker 6: and actually have them work well. 982 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 8: I think it's bigger than that. 983 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 7: There's that that's a very important part bill, but I 984 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,840 Speaker 7: think there's a bigger issue. There are some whistle blowers 985 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 7: out there I know of in regards to potential information 986 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,479 Speaker 7: about the whole Zach role thing, that are too scared 987 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 7: to come. 988 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 1: But I know I do know that the IKAK actually 989 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,719 Speaker 1: had a whistleblowers evening last night where we could call 990 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 1: in for two hours basically to get information across to 991 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,359 Speaker 1: the IYICK. And it does seem as though he's got 992 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,520 Speaker 1: a number of different things that he's doing to restore 993 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 1: some of that confidence. 994 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 7: We're just about out of time, but not all whistleblowers 995 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,840 Speaker 7: are honest. I have to admit that the poor Ikack 996 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 7: fellow has to sort through through that. 997 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 9: The complexity in a place as small as the territory 998 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 9: is everybody knows that each other, so it is really 999 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 9: really complex. 1000 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,719 Speaker 4: I'm not going to turn this into. 1001 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 9: A political fight about you know, where and when and 1002 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,799 Speaker 9: why the ICACK started, but obviously one of the things 1003 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 9: that you don't want is for ministers continually to reach 1004 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:27,880 Speaker 9: in and change this and change that. 1005 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,240 Speaker 4: Like they have to be independent. 1006 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 9: Means that when changes need to be made, needs to 1007 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,200 Speaker 9: be structured and through the right process. But we absolutely 1008 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,800 Speaker 9: have to protect people because it is a small connection, 1009 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 9: that's right. 1010 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,560 Speaker 1: We can't have it being changed willy nilly because people 1011 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,879 Speaker 1: feel as though, you know, the IK's got too much power, 1012 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 1: not enough power. 1013 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:43,120 Speaker 10: Whatever. 1014 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 8: Where's the draft bill Government? 1015 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 5: Yep, good question. We are going to have to leave 1016 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 5: it there. 1017 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 1: Bill Yan, the Member of Amagira and visiting us from 1018 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:50,960 Speaker 1: Central Australia. 1019 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 6: Great to be here for the first time in two 1020 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:54,919 Speaker 6: thy and twenty three. 1021 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: Absolutely good to have you on the show. Matt Cunningham 1022 00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 1: from Sky News, thank you. 1023 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 2: Sorry for hugging the microphone. 1024 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,720 Speaker 1: No worries at all, makes my morning a lot easier 1025 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,560 Speaker 1: if you'd thank you. And Paul Kirby, the Member for 1026 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,320 Speaker 1: Port Tarwin and to various portfolio thanks everyone. 1027 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 4: Travel safe on the way home. 1028 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:11,799 Speaker 3: Bill. 1029 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,840 Speaker 9: Just a reminder for people chugwa tomorrow down at the 1030 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:15,479 Speaker 9: netball club. 1031 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:16,200 Speaker 4: Get down there. 1032 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,839 Speaker 9: Banks have got a footy club day on tomorrow as 1033 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,640 Speaker 9: well a breast cancer awareness fundraiser, so you get down 1034 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,880 Speaker 9: there in your pink gear. More importantly, my daughter's birthday, 1035 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 9: Happy birthday, And really importantly Sunday is the bombing of 1036 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,879 Speaker 9: Darwin commemorations bedroom ministers In here myself and Gosling will 1037 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,319 Speaker 9: be hitting them up for better deals for territories and 1038 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,320 Speaker 9: veterans good stuff,