1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: I see everywhere as an office, and we as a 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: senior leadership team. We were in Tasmania some weeks ago. 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 1: Our plane was delayed. By the time we got on 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: our plane, I had finished all of the action items 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: that were set for me in the senior leadership team 6 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: meeting right by the time everybody else got on the plane. 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: They were just angry and upset that our plane was late. 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I got that done before I 9 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: got home. So it's about how you see the space. 10 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: But I took myself away from the others. Otherwise I 11 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: would have just been sitting there chin waggon and don't 12 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: doing all that. So I prioritized on I actually want 13 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: to get this off my plate. This has been delayed, 14 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: but when I get home, I'll be able to be 15 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: present with my family and my friends and not have 16 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: to think about it again. 17 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: Welcome to How I Work, a show about the tactics 18 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 2: used by leading innovators to get so much out of 19 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 2: their day. I'm your host, doctor Amantha Imbat. I'm an 20 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: organizational psychologist, the CEO of Inventium, and I'm obsessed with 21 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,119 Speaker 2: finding ways to optimize my work day. My guest today 22 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: is Naomi Simpson. Naomi, I think, has got to be 23 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 2: one of Australia's most well known entrepreneurs. So she is 24 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 2: the founder of Red Balloon and the co founder of 25 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: the Big Red Group, which turns over more than one 26 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: hundred million dollars annually. Naomi is also the shark that 27 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: wears red on shat Tank and happens to be the 28 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: most followed Australian on LinkedIn with over two point seven 29 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: million followers. That is crazy. I managed to call cash 30 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: out with Naomi at her office in Sydney to chat 31 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: about her approach to work, which she has clearly thought 32 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: a lot about. One of the things I love most 33 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: about her philosophy is that she says that structure and 34 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: rhythm will set you free. So in this chat we 35 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: took about a lot of the different structures and rhythms 36 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: that she's built into her working week and a bunch 37 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: of other really practical stuff. So on that note, over 38 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: today to hear about how she works. Naom be, welcome 39 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: to the show. 40 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. 41 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: Now, I want to start with your mornings because I 42 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: believe you have like a bit of a morning ritual. 43 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 2: Is that right? 44 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: In fact, if I don't do my morning ritual. I'm 45 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: quite put out for the day and I'm feeling like 46 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: that today. Actually I never sleep in and I did 47 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: this morning, which is something was telling me some but 48 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: something was telling me something. See it's so clear and 49 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: the difference between the morning and the afternoon. But no, 50 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: I have quite a rhythm and a routine, and you know, 51 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: and I find it really important because I set up 52 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: my day. I figure if I don't get personal time 53 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: in the morning, I might not get it for the 54 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: rest of the day. And I really need it. And 55 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: it does include a black coffee, which is, you know, 56 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: the drug of choice. And it does include being present 57 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: with my husband, talking about the day, creating the day, 58 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,119 Speaker 1: what do we want to get out of the day, 59 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: and exercise, you know. So, yeah, it's quite It is 60 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: a routine. 61 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 2: So what time does it start? Like, what time are 62 00:02:58,680 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: you awake in the morning? 63 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: Well, it used to be five thirty, it's not anymore. 64 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: It's now six. 65 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 2: So why did you make that change? 66 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: Because I just I don't know. I'm either sleeping better 67 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: or I feel that there's so much conversation about the 68 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: importance of sleep, and I realized that by if I 69 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: don't go to bed, you know, by nine point thirty. 70 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: Then if I'm getting up at five thirty, I really 71 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: haven't had enough sleep and I don't manage to get 72 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: to bed very often at nine thirty. So it was 73 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: about getting an extra half hour sleep. 74 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so making sure you get the eight hours, 75 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. 76 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: But I try not to use an alarm. I try 77 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: to let the sunlight wake me up. Why why is that? 78 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: I just I don't know. It's like, you know, it's 79 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: the child and me stamping my feet saying I don't 80 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: want to be told what to do. Even the alarm 81 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: can't tell me what to do. And I like just 82 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: waking up with a bier rhythm of when I'm ready 83 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: to wake up versus an exact, exact time. I also 84 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: like getting the ferry to work. If I catch the 85 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: ferry to work, then I don't look at my phone. 86 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm present. I feel gratitude and fortunate to live in 87 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: this rich, interesting and clean country. Whereas when I catch 88 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: the bus to work. If I catch the bus, it's 89 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: because I will do my social media and my answering 90 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: and this and the other thing. I won't even look 91 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: out the window. So I prefer to catch the ferry to. 92 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 2: So what are you doing on the ferry if you're 93 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: not looking at your phone? 94 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: Well, I literally am watching people watching. It's only a 95 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: nine minute trip. It's not very long, so there's not 96 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: a lot to do. 97 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 2: I was imagining like there's big sixty minute journey. 98 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: No, No, it's only nine minutes store to door, and 99 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: I'm just literally looking. There's so much to look at 100 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: on the harbor. There's boats and people and people working 101 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: and things being built. And yeah, it's always something to 102 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: look at on the harbor. 103 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 2: I love that. So you've got your morning routine. Are 104 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: there any other kind of routine, whether they be weekly, monthly, quarterly, 105 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 2: that you find are really important, you know, for being 106 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 2: as good as you can be. 107 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: I love routine. I love Sunday night meals with family, 108 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: you know, a way when people are busy. I've adult children, 109 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: we come back together. I like calling my mother on 110 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: a Sunday. I know it got done because actually the 111 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: weeks whip by and it's very oops. I forgot to call, 112 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: and so Sunday is almost family day for me. How 113 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: do I connect to my family wherever they are, whatever 114 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: they're doing. How am I connecting in so that's important 115 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: to me in a work rhythm too. I like having 116 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: I like being able to know when things are So 117 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: the rhythm of meetings is really important, whether it's our 118 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: senior leadership team always meets the same time the same way, 119 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: versus the one on ones that I have with my team. 120 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: My team meetings, and I find that people are people 121 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: I can prepare for them because they know they're expected, 122 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 1: they know what the agenda is, and they actually deliver 123 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: a better outcome. I've worked in companies where I never 124 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: had meetings with my boss. I didn't know what was 125 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: going on, you know, and it was so frustrating. And 126 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: versus when I moved to Apple a long time ago, 127 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: obviously because you haven't had a job in twenty years, 128 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: but Apple was so rhythm or everything was based on rhythm, 129 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: and I found that that actually set me through, so 130 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: I knew what I was working towards. Rhythm really helps. 131 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. And you talk about meetings. I 132 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: would imagine you would spend a fair chunk of your 133 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: week in meetings. Is that fair to say? 134 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: Oh? I try not to not to. But also that 135 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: rhythm helps, is does that need a special meeting or 136 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: can it just be a part of an agenda that 137 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: goes into I think it's very important when they're managing 138 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: and leading people that there is a rhythm because often 139 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: they don't want to interrupt you and think, oh, she's 140 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: so busy, but then I'll never get any time hearing, coaching, whatever. 141 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: So I think it's important to set up that rhythm 142 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: for the people who are in your team so that 143 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: they do get your true present intention love in that moment. 144 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: I think that's really important. They don't have to ask 145 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: for it. Yeah. 146 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: I read recently that the average executive spends twenty three 147 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 2: hours per week in meetings, which is kind of crazy. 148 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: That's over half a forty hour week. I want to 149 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: know for you, like. 150 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: I don't spend twenty three hours and meetings, Okay, I 151 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: really struggle. I try to have all my internal meetings 152 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: on a Monday. External meetings. I also block up, and 153 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: then Fridays is my deep thinking. No Fridays, I don't 154 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: come to work and I do my work and finish 155 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: off the week. It doesn't matter whether it's finishing off 156 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: the emails I said I write, or finishing off the projects. 157 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: But I don't have appointments on a Friday. I might 158 00:07:58,320 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: come to the office on a Friday, but I don't 159 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: have any meetings or riess and that will sometimes go 160 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: into a Thursday as well. 161 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 2: That's interesting. So you're kind of batching the different types 162 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: of work that you have. Absolutely, absolutely How long have 163 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: you done that for? 164 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, probably probably since the whole shark ting thing, 165 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: about four years, because time just became so precious, you know, 166 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: because effectively I had more than one job, you know. 167 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, so when other changes happened, like in your working life, 168 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: particularly around about then. 169 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: I worked outside of so I was the CEO of 170 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: a balloon for ten years, and in twenty eleven, Gemma 171 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: fast Nage became the CEO of re balloon before she 172 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: went on maternity leave. But at that time I stepped 173 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: away and I became more of an ambassador and I 174 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: sat as a director, and I went through a separation 175 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: at the time, and my now ex husband and I 176 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: both were directors and he didn't want me being CEO, 177 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: which is all right and fine, except I needed to 178 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: go and find other things to do. Luckily for me, 179 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: I was already speaking, which I love to do. But 180 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: the shark tank came along and I started writing books 181 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: as well, and so that gave me another career. And 182 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: then when David Anderson and I became business partners in 183 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: the Big Red Group, and we then acquired not just 184 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: Red Balloon, but we acquired Adrenaline and we have a 185 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: bunch of businesses in there. So then all of a sudden, 186 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: I hadn't divested of all of my Shark Tank responsibilities, 187 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: and then I had a very big portfolio as well. 188 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: So it is a busy life and I sit on 189 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: a number of philanthropic boards. I sit on a cerebral 190 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: Palsy board, and I work with both the University of 191 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: a bigger part in the University of Melbourne where am 192 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: i the University of Melbourne on the Business and Economics faculty, 193 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: And also I've just taken up a role at UTS 194 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: as well because I really believe in, you know, in 195 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: supporting education, like it's a passion for me, and so 196 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: I need to find those times as well as. 197 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: That's a lot of hats to where how do you 198 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: compartmentalized you like, switch from one hat to the next, 199 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 2: Like how how have you learned to I guess function 200 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 2: and function at a high level with all those different 201 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 2: hats that you're wearing. 202 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: I guess that's why I sleep so important. But I 203 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: think it's more confusing from my EA than me because 204 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: I've evolved into this life and I can make the 205 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 1: call between Okay, I can't make this cerebral palsy one 206 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: because this one is it's more important, or I can't 207 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: do this. And and I'm very also aware of I 208 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: can't ever look too busy important that I don't show 209 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: up to the things I said I was going to do. 210 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: Oh she's too big for a boots. Now look at her. 211 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: Off she goes. So that's really important for me as well. 212 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: So I don't know, I just thought, I just thought 213 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: it through and yeah, but it is very important that 214 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: I do the philanthropic part of my work as well, 215 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: because it also a keeps me grounded, be it keeps 216 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: me connected into communities because you in business, you can 217 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: get really isolated and you actually think, you know, you 218 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: drink your own call aid and you believe it. 219 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 2: Definitely. Definitely. I want to talk about your writing because 220 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 2: you're quite prolific with your writing, I believe, and you're 221 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 2: like Australia's most followed person on LinkedIn. 222 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: That it's not like it. I am it, you are it? 223 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: You are it? 224 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: Is it? Two point seven million, oh two point seven 225 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 2: million followers. So I want to know how how you 226 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 2: make time for writing? And well, yeah, firstly, let's start 227 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: with how do you even fit writing in because you're 228 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 2: like producing writing almost weekly. 229 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: I write all the time, but I write when I've 230 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: got something to say, and I think that that's and 231 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: sometimes I don't have anything to say. So and because 232 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: I travel, I write on air airplanes all the time, 233 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: or write in the lounge before and after. And I 234 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: can bash out an idea in twenty minutes, but then 235 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: the crafting of that might take an edit to some time, 236 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: to find a photograph, got to do the research to 237 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: validate my fasis or whatever. So there might be other 238 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: work that goes on around that. But if I've got 239 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: a gem of an idea, of just got an opinion, 240 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: And what I do find is people are curious about opinion, 241 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: and they want to know what I think about things. 242 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: Not that they'll agree with it, but they are curious 243 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: to know does she think that's a good thing or 244 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: a bad thing, and why would she think that? And 245 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: so I have to continue to be prepared to have 246 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: an opinion, you know. 247 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, so you're kind of bashing at an idea 248 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 2: in twenty minutes when you're traveling, Like, I want to know. 249 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: I'm always curious. I feel that people that travel a 250 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 2: lot for work have really kind of nailed their travel 251 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 2: routine and they are very deliberate about how time on 252 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 2: planes is used. What does that look like for you? Like, 253 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 2: what does that travel routine, let's say for a domestic flight. 254 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: I imagine you're doing a lot of them. What does 255 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 2: that look like for you? 256 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: Well, for me, I see everywhere as an office and 257 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: we as a senior leadership team. We're in Tasmania some 258 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: weeks ago, so our plane was delayed. By the time 259 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: we got on our plane, I had finished all of 260 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: the action items that were set for me in the 261 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: senior leadership team meeting right by the time everybody else 262 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: got on the plane. They were just angry and upset 263 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: that our plane was late. I was like, wow, I 264 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: got that done before I got home. So it's about 265 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: how you see the space. But I took myself away 266 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: from the others. Otherwise I would have just been sitting 267 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: there chin wagging and don't doing all that. So I prioritized, 268 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: and I actually want to get this off my plate. 269 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: This has been delayed, but when I get home, I'll 270 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: be able to be present with my family and my 271 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: friends and not have to think about it again. So 272 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: that was That's what I do. So it's the same 273 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: in the lounge. You know, you bump into people and 274 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: you see all the time, and people will saying, oh, 275 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: I hope I wasn't interrupted. I say no, just a minute, though, 276 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: because I do. I am on deadline, and I use 277 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: that one all the time. I am on deadline, and 278 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: because actually I set myself the task of getting that 279 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: done and I don't like, I don't want things hanging over. 280 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 2: I like that line. I am on deadline. 281 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 282 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 2: I want to know kind of on that topic because 283 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 2: I would imagine, like, particularly as your profile has increased 284 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 2: through Shark Tank, you must be inundated with requests for 285 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 2: your time in some way, shape or form, and I 286 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 2: want to know how, Like, firstly, how do you decide 287 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 2: what to say yes to and what to say no to. 288 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: Sometimes people get me on a weekday and then you know, 289 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: I'm just feeling a bit weak or a bit sad 290 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: or a bit sorry for them. Or something, and then 291 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: by the time I get there, I go, why did 292 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: I say yes to this? With somebody slapped me because 293 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: you know now I'm and it's not about them, It's 294 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: about oh my gosh, I've got so much on my plate, 295 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: so we do try to balance it. But I wrote 296 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: two books. One is called Live what You Love, which 297 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: is I wrote because I have four young people in 298 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: my life, and lots of people are making choices about 299 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: where they spend their time, their precious gift of time, 300 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: and to live with purpose and purpose is about contribution 301 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: and how you make the world a better place versus passion, 302 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: which is your own energy. And so I really wanted 303 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: to impart that to the four young people as they 304 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: make in career choices. And I did notice that often 305 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: the writings that I you on LinkedIn, they get far 306 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: more traction when I'm talking about that kind of career 307 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: insight rather than business advice. It's more personal, professional, personal 308 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: journey and that personal motivation. And I was asked to 309 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: write something for LinkedIn, which is what would you tell 310 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: your younger self? And I started writing and I realized 311 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: that about six thousand words, I had a problem because 312 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: most bog posts are about six hundred, and I was 313 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: I was like telling my youngest helf, Wow, you should 314 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: do this. So and I spoke to a friend of mine, 315 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: a publisher, and she said, no, no, no, you've got 316 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: You've got the germs of a book here if you 317 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: really keep going. So that's where the Live what you 318 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: Love came and it kind of fell out of me, 319 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: and I kept thinking about all the people on LinkedIn 320 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: who engage with my conversation, my questions about digital devices, 321 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: about being present and those sorts of questions, and so 322 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: that's where that came from. And in the same way, 323 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: I get asked a lot about oh, Naomi, I've got 324 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: this business idea. What do you think? And it's a 325 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: really big question because if I say, oh, that's good, 326 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: they might give up their whole career for something that 327 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: I said. But it's good. We might not be I 328 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: don't know, like I don't know, I'm like anybody else. 329 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: Or I might say all that doesn't look so good 330 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: and they give it up and it could have been amazing, 331 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: but it wasn't for me. So so I wrote the 332 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: book Ready to Saw. 333 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: Now. 334 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: Ready to Saw was a very different writing process because 335 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: I knew that I wanted to have that launched in 336 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: time for the second season, because by the time the 337 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: first season was up, I was inundated with I've got 338 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: this business idea. Please invest in my business, Please invest 339 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: in my business, and even my kids were being inundated. 340 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: Your kids, yeah, yeah, Can you ask your mum if 341 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: she thinks it was a good bigger business idea? Was like, 342 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: oh my godness. So it didn't matter where we went. 343 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: And so I wrote this book, and so I did 344 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: all the research, and then I went away for ten 345 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: days and I wrote the book in fourteen days, for 346 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: ten hours a day's rochun, how did you do? 347 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 2: That's like you just switched off every form of communication 348 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: other than go. 349 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: To somewhere where there's no connection, no mobile connection, that 350 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: won't tempt you. And my husband would come in with 351 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: a cup of tea and what my brown go keep 352 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: going down, you know. And I would set myself targets 353 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: because I knew what I wanted to write, I knew 354 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: how I was writing for, and so I just did it. 355 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: And then I delivered to the publisher and I said, 356 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: don't ever show it to me again. Sorry, love. You 357 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: got to go through an edit process and all the rest. 358 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: And you know, by the time the books actually get 359 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: to print, you never want to see them again. So 360 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: part of the you know, Gary Keller talks about what's 361 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: your one thing, and it might be a big thing 362 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: that you need to get done, but once you've done it, 363 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: everything else will become easier. So when people ask me 364 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: for mentoring coaching, look at their business idea, I say, 365 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: have you read my books, and then I send them 366 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: on a link and then after that come back to 367 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: me with a specific question. But either the questions have 368 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: been answered and or they don't do the work. But 369 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: if you're not prepared to do the work, why. 370 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 2: Should you give them the time? 371 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: Fine, because I've met with so many people over the 372 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: time and it's almost like they want to talk to me, 373 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: hang out with me, have my energy, but actually they've 374 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: got to do the work. I come do the work 375 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: for them. In fact, of now hundreds of people that 376 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: I have supported with mentoring and all the rest, there's 377 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 1: only one who's ever offered to do anything for me, 378 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: and I find that fascinating. And he was so lovely. 379 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: He said, I understand you're on the board of cerebral Palsy. 380 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: I know your time is precious. I will be making 381 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 1: a cash donation of five hundred dollars to cerebral Palsy 382 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: to thank you for having lunch with me. He's the 383 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: only person who's ever offered to do anything for me. 384 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: So I find that interesting too, that they're you know, 385 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: we live in a world of I want to want, 386 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: I want. Well, actually I've found the more I give, 387 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: the more that comes back. But I just think, you know, 388 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: it also shows that we're all human, we're all moddeling through. 389 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: I need more customers to I want to grow my 390 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: businesses too. I'm not done. I've got a hundred one 391 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: hundred employees that I need to feed and make sure 392 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: are okay, winning customers too. So it's really yeah, it's 393 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: really interesting everybody, everybody, that no one's so sortid they 394 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: don't need some support, love, help, or even an idea 395 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: or a suggestion of a book or something. I don't know. 396 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 2: That's so striking that only one person like it reminds me. 397 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 2: I don't know if you've read Give and Take by 398 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 2: Adam Grant, which is all about the givers and takers 399 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 2: in the world and who, according to research, is actually 400 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 2: becoming more successful. It is it is the givers And 401 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 2: like I want to circle back to what you say 402 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 2: yes and what you say no to? And like I'm 403 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 2: kind of I'm struck by you know, if you get 404 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: you on a week day, what day is of the week? 405 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 2: Is that out of interest? Don't know? That's right? So 406 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 2: I want to know, like, firstly, what, like have there 407 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 2: been lessons that you've learnt from Like, let's just say, 408 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 2: speaking engagements. I imagine you must get asked to speak 409 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 2: at a hell of a lot of events, and there's 410 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 2: a lot of decisions to make there as to whether 411 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 2: to do it or not, Like, how have you gotten 412 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 2: better at knowing what to say no to? Well? 413 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: I have to trust professionals when it comes to my 414 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: speaking engagements because and to make sure I'm at the 415 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: right place at the right time, saying the right thing 416 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: and it's the right audience for me. I think one 417 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: of the worst speaking engagements I ever had was when 418 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: somebody asked me to speak at halftime at the football. No, actually, 419 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: they just wanted a commentary on what was going on 420 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: in the football. They didn't want to hear about how 421 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,479 Speaker 1: to grow your business. I mean it was so wrong. 422 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: Anyway we live we learn, but I need to rely 423 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: on the professionals around me to say yes and no. 424 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: And I limit now my speaking. A few years ago 425 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: I did fifty in the year, I said, last year 426 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: I only did thirty, and this year probably only do twenty. 427 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: That better be good ones then. 428 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: To get those professionals making good decisions. 429 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. So you know, for me, an audience 430 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: of one hundred or an audience of a thousand is 431 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: the same. So better speak to you know, twenty eight 432 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: one thousand audience versus lots of small ones. 433 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely. I want to talk about email, and we 434 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 2: were before this interview briefly talking about email with your team. 435 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 2: What's your approach to email? 436 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: Oh, look, it's fascinating because when I turn it off, 437 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: and I will turn it off, and I do turn 438 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: it off, and then I go back in and I 439 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: can clear all my emails in about ten minutes, whereas 440 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: if I leave it on all day, it seems to 441 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,239 Speaker 1: take up the whole day and I don't know what 442 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: it is. So I have no alerts on anything. 443 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 2: So all your notifications are switched off on computer and. 444 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: Phone, Yeah, computer, phone and watch. 445 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 2: Yes, the watch notifications. 446 00:21:54,040 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: Yes, except for the people who are favorites in my contacts, 447 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: because that could be my children or somebody actually really 448 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: needed to get hold of me. So they're the only 449 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: ones that come through on my watch. And I can 450 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: see text from my husband, my children, and my business partner. 451 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 1: He'll be pleased to know, but and my ea. But 452 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: that's it. And so just even turning off the alerts. 453 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: And I recently installed a new browser which seems to 454 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: have default a learns on it. I'm going, how do 455 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: I turn this off? You know? And also I just 456 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: don't go to social media, so I know that's it. 457 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: I go to LinkedIn when I want to participate, and 458 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: I spend half an hour a day doing that, and 459 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: it's a set aside time and I do that versus 460 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: always going in or having alerts or somebody's liked or commented. 461 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: It doesn't no, no, no, no, yeah. 462 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 2: Does that take will power? 463 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: Or is that I'm just not interested? I just find it. 464 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,719 Speaker 1: And because there's so many people saying things that I 465 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: absolutely you know, this weed or whatever just not constructive. Whatever, 466 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: get marriage proposals on LinkedIn? Do you watch out? 467 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 2: It's a reason to check LinkedIn if you want to 468 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 2: practice polygamy. I guess yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm fine, Yeah, yeah, excellent. 469 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 2: I want to talk about creativity because I feel like 470 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 2: you're this person that has lots of different ideas and where, like, 471 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 2: where do you find your best ideas come to you? 472 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: Look, no one particular place. But I do paint, and 473 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: I've got back to my paints and I'm very committed 474 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: to that. And it's not about the outcome. It's about 475 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: the process. It's about the stillness, it's about the colors. 476 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: And I'm working on a really really big piece at 477 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: the moment that just seems to not be getting done 478 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: and I'm spending hours and hours and hours on it. 479 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: So that's a very still place. I struggle to meditate. 480 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: I try very hard, but the trying is the missing 481 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: piece because I'm trying to meditate and so it's just 482 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: not coming to me. It's just it's a very busy 483 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: place up there. So when you say where do the 484 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: ideas come from, it's almost it is when I'm not 485 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: in action. It's when I allow myself to do something 486 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: else and still and they kind of show up, and 487 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: I allow myself to dream to play. Yeah, I just 488 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: don't think I play enough I laugh plenty, but I 489 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: don't think I play enough. And so and so paintings 490 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: play for me. I play word games. I play. I'm 491 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: a bunch of friends who and we love Banana Grams 492 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: and sometimes on a Friday night we play Banana Grams. 493 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: And I have another group of friends and we play games. 494 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: And sometimes and when I say sometimes, I play with 495 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: my husband sometimes seven nights in a row. Game is grabble, 496 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: Like we just and yeah, and then we won't play 497 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: for a month, and then we will play every second night. 498 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think play is really important to allowing 499 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: our my brain to still. Yeah, because when I'm playing 500 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: a word game, I have to be present with that. Yeah, absolutely, 501 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: otherwise I will lose. And we don't like that. 502 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 2: I don't like that. No, no, no. And when you 503 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 2: say you're trying to meditate, like, what does that look 504 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 2: like trying to Is it an app? Is it a 505 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 2: time of day? 506 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called the Invisible Exercise, and it's a time 507 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: of day and it's in the morning where it's a 508 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: breathing exercises and I listen to it and I focus 509 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 1: on it, and then before I know it, I'm not 510 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: listening to it anymore. I mustn't forget to tell them 511 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: that no, yoda, honestly, that. 512 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 2: I can relate to that. I feel like that's what 513 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 2: my meditation attempts are like as well. 514 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: And you know, when I say, some more meditation, so 515 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, yet another thing that I've failed at. 516 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,479 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, what would like if someone was observing how 517 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 2: you work? What would surprise people about the way in 518 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 2: which you work or approach certain tasks or times of day. 519 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: I believe everybody's a bit surprised about how I can 520 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: get so deep into the detail and did I like that. 521 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 1: I think people are surprised at my memory, how much 522 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,959 Speaker 1: I remember, and that I'm very numeric, and people are 523 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: surprised by that, you know. They you know, if they said, oh, 524 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: the budget's four point nine, and then they come back 525 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: the next day and somewhere it's four point I go, no, 526 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: you said it was four point nine yesterday, and they 527 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: go and they go, I showed you a hundred numbers yesterday. 528 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: I do you know what changed that one? I go, yeah, yeah, 529 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: So it's not a photographic memory, it's not, but it's 530 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: I have always loved numbers, and I love the way 531 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: numbers come together. And so if I've made a pattern 532 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: and then the pattern doesn't look the same the next day, 533 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 1: well then I know it's changed. 534 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 2: And I want to ask, like, with memory, have you 535 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 2: always had a good memory or is that something that 536 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 2: you've developed. 537 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: My mother thinks it's scary how much I remember. She's 538 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: just like, I don't know where you got that memory from. 539 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: I can remember things from when I was two, might 540 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 1: not remember what I had for breakfast. 541 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 2: Are you doing anything consciously? Like let's just say you're 542 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 2: meeting with a group of people and you're trying to 543 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 2: remember ten new names or something like that. 544 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 1: Well, I do practice what I preach in with what 545 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: you love, which is the power of positive thought. So 546 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: I tell myself I'm really great with my memory. Hmm, 547 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: I have a great memory. Okay, I'm really great with names. 548 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 2: That's a great trick. 549 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: I'm very good at parallel parking. 550 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 2: The robots will do that in the future, you don't 551 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 2: have to worry about that. 552 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: But I have great at parallel parking. I just never drive, 553 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: so don't have to prove the point. So so, but 554 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, I'm very convincing when I tell my something itself, 555 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: something I believe it. Yeah, And it's really the power 556 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: of positive words. If you say you can't, you can't. 557 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: If you say you could, you might so and I 558 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: believe that. So I say, I'm really great with names. 559 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 2: Has there has there been a skill where you've kind 560 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 2: of consciously known that it's not your strength, but you 561 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 2: have transformed it. Someone No, but you've transformed it through 562 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 2: kind of like almost tricking your mind into being good 563 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 2: at it and having this like high self efficacy about it. 564 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: Now I'm going to sell very full of myself, sound 565 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 1: very full of myself. What am I not good at? Oh? 566 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: Of course I've got non strengths, but I love cooking, 567 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: Like I'm not good at cleaning right, And I'm lousy 568 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: at making a bed, which my husband finds hilarious. But 569 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: he was in the police force. He learned how to 570 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: make a bed perfectly. That's played to our strengths. I say, 571 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: I'm curious enough to say I could give it a crack. 572 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: Whatever it is. 573 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 2: I want to know, like, because you've got so much 574 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 2: going on in your life and you're wearing all of 575 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 2: these hats, and I feel like most of us are 576 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 2: the best of time struggle to know, like what information 577 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 2: should I be consuming what's going to be most valuable 578 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 2: with the limited time that I've got, And so I'm 579 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 2: curious as to what are the things that you're consuming 580 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 2: information wise or your go to kind of sources for 581 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 2: inspiration and knowledge, and maybe like if we start with podcasts, 582 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 2: like are you much of a podcast listener? 583 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: And I started listening to podcasts because I'm only nine 584 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: minutes on the ferry, so not long enough for a podcast. 585 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: So I started listening to podcasts over this last summer 586 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: just gone, and I was listening to Oprah's Soul one 587 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: interviews with Michelle Obama and Dan Pink, and I listened 588 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: to a few others at Tim ferriss one and a 589 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: few other ones. And I really enjoyed it when I 590 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: was walking the beach when I was away, and that 591 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: was really great and it was a good way for 592 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: me to take information. I really liked it. I do 593 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: find that if i'm really it's amazing how things just 594 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: show up when you're looking for them. And I don't 595 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: know how that happens, but I take a medium feed, 596 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: for instance, and often the articles that I get and 597 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: it must be how I've set up my profile, because 598 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: they seem to be really things that I'm very interested 599 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: in and I want to learn about. Do you think 600 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: we're overwhelmed with content? I think LinkedIn there's so much content. 601 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how to if it doesn't 602 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: show up on my feed. I don't tend to go 603 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: looking for it, especially there. I subscribe to certain things 604 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: like HBO, have a Business Review, inc. Dot Com, Fast 605 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: Company Entrepreneurs, So they're things that would be in my 606 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: realm anyway. So I only subscribe to a few things, 607 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: and they seem to show up. And I really hold 608 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: great value in recommendations. When people say here's a great book, 609 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: deep thing, I go, oh, I'll get that one, and 610 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: I do so. Yeah. Often I will skim research and 611 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: just to the executive summary. I've got enough now, but 612 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: I know where it is if I need to go 613 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: back to for more detail. Yeah. 614 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 2: And on the topic of books, what are your favorite 615 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 2: business books or your kind of most recommended ones that 616 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 2: you know you'd say to your team or you know, 617 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 2: must read this. 618 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. I talk about The Multipliers by Liz Wyman. I 619 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: think it's a very if you can crack that, your 620 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: ability to leave, manage, and amplify people is critical to all. 621 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: Success doesn't matter where you are. I think that's good. 622 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: There's another one called by Talia and it's called Influential 623 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: or Influencer anyway, I recommend it all the time. Great 624 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: if I can remember its name, and it's about the 625 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: behaviors that sits behind how you influence. And I found 626 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: that fascinating something that I do innately, really and how 627 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: I tell stories. But I really enjoyed that book. But 628 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: by the way, I do read a lot and a 629 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: lot of articles and I go to a lot of seminars. 630 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: Education for me is very important in continual education. But 631 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: I often forget what I've written in the same way, 632 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, what was the name of that book? Well, 633 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: it's okay because I write them down on my blog. 634 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: So one of the reasons I started writing my blog 635 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: was because it was my ancillary brain. I have so 636 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: much going on, I need to write it down. May 637 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: as well share it with other people what I learned. 638 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: So I write things down and then I share it, 639 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: which is fine. But over the summer I had fifteen 640 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: hundred published blogs. And the woman who I was twelve 641 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: years ago is not the woman who I am now. 642 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: So I have unpublished five hundred blog posts over the summer, 643 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: and it was cathartic. It was almost like putting my 644 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: past my past, and I think I need to do 645 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: that more regularly. Is so the book reviews would stay. 646 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: But when I was having an opinion about free childcare 647 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: or something, I was like, gosh, that's an old conversation. 648 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: Doesn't really belong here any belong more. 649 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: It doesn't belong in this So what prompted you to. 650 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm in fact, the blog that I wrote this 651 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: week was about there's too much stuff on the planet, 652 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: including content. We need to start unpublishing stuff and really 653 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: focusing on one of the valuable and good pieces in content. 654 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: And I'm going to do that with my own stuff. Yeah, 655 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: it just became by it. 656 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 2: You know. 657 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: It wasn't interesting, insightful, valuable, and it definitely didn't progress society. 658 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: So it doesn't need to be there anymore. 659 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 2: That's great. How lovely cleaning up your own content. 660 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, core people should do that, and more people should 661 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: do that. And so therefore I said to myself, what 662 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: is the no more than eighteen, but fifteen pieces that 663 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,479 Speaker 1: I'm most proud of this year? Choose? 664 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 2: That's great? 665 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: It's hard. 666 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,239 Speaker 2: I can imagine it would be when you're writing so much. 667 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I only got to twenty twelve. So I started 668 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: writing in two thousand and six. So I did six 669 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: years over the summer and I will do I'll do 670 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: more when I get more time again. Yeah. Wow, yeah, 671 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: so people, what did you do on your holidays? Wow? 672 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 2: I deleted five hundred blog both exactly. 673 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:17,720 Speaker 1: That's awesome. 674 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 2: Well, Naomi, it's been wonderful talking to you. If people 675 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 2: want to read, watch, consume more about you and what 676 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 2: you do, where should they go. 677 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: If they come to Naomisimson dot com And of course 678 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: there's no p in Simson. I have a Monday Espresso 679 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: so they can sign up to that and I send 680 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: a little there, just five little thought starters for the 681 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 1: week to give a little bit of inspiration on different topics. 682 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's the Monday Espresso. 683 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 2: So it's great. I will link to that in the 684 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 2: show notes. 685 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,240 Speaker 1: Yes, do that great? 686 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 2: And out of interest? Like, are you just collecting those 687 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 2: during the week? How do you put that together and 688 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 2: deliver that every. 689 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: Oh it's not hard, I don't know. So I had 690 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: so my Monday kind of quote an inspiration. It's my 691 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: collection and so all I'm doing is publishing them on 692 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: a Monday. So again, I did that work over a 693 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 1: period of time. I've collected it and the blog post 694 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,800 Speaker 1: it's one from my past. So out of these fifteen 695 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: or eighteen special ones of those years, Well, then I'm 696 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: going to go back to my Friday flashback and say no, 697 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: this one I'm proud of and happy to promote it again. 698 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: And there'll be a recommendation whether it be a podcast 699 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: or maybe I should recommend this one. 700 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 2: Why not. 701 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 1: A podcast or a book or a seminar or something. 702 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: So it's just a recommendation. So it's actually really not 703 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: that hard to pull together. 704 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 2: That's great. I love it. Efficient. 705 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,479 Speaker 1: Yeah again, structure and rhythm sets you free. Yeah, don't 706 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: have to make all the decisions about the structure every time. 707 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: It's just editing creation. 708 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 2: That's great. Well, it's been a talking to you. Thank 709 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 2: you so much for being on the show. 710 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: It's so my pleasure. We had fun. 711 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 2: Hello there, that is it for today's show. I hope 712 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 2: you liked my chat with Naomi and are feeling inspired 713 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 2: to put more structure and rhythm into your working life. 714 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 2: And if you like the episode and know someone who 715 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 2: you think could benefit, why not share it with them? 716 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 2: And as usual, if you're enjoying how I work but 717 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 2: maybe have never thought to give feedback in the form 718 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 2: of maybe a star rating, maybe today's the day that 719 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 2: you'd like to do that. So after you kind of 720 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 2: clock off from this podcast, maybe go into Apple Podcasts 721 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your podcasts and pen a 722 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 2: review or give it a star rating. I read every 723 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 2: single review, and for me, they're very inspiring and very 724 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 2: motivating to keep doing what I'm doing, So thank you 725 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 2: in advance. If you're feeling like doing that today and 726 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 2: end up doing that now, that is it for today 727 00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,760 Speaker 2: and I will see you next week.