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Speaker 2: Ned Brockman is in the studio with the boys the Savo.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Eddie.

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Speaker 3: No, it's good to be home. Feels like home in here.

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Speaker 1: When did it become When did the studio become home?

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Speaker 4: Every time I rock up here, I just I feel welcome,

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Speaker 4: open arm sort of stuff.

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Speaker 3: It's it's good, it's good to be back. Yeah, how

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Speaker 3: are you?

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Speaker 2: It's good to have you here, mate. Well, I actually

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Speaker 2: because I think you've got some more interesting stuff going.

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Speaker 3: On in your lives than we do. About both have children. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we've covered that.

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Speaker 2: So you won this Big five marathon thing in South

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Speaker 2: Africa and then after doing the race, you found out

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Speaker 2: that you were injured. What was the injury?

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Speaker 4: I found out eight k into the forty two k

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Speaker 4: I rolled my ankle and broke my qboid bone in

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Speaker 4: my foot and I had thirty four k the best

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Speaker 3: And unfortunately, I'm a bit of a loud mouth.

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Speaker 4: So when I said I was going to try to

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Speaker 4: break the record, and by the time I got to

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Speaker 4: the start line, everyone's like, oh, that's a go.

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Speaker 3: I try to break the record, So I had.

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Speaker 4: To see the thing through to the end and ended

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Speaker 4: up breaking the record by thirty seconds and pulled through

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Speaker 4: at the wind, but not the broken record and a

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Speaker 4: broken foot as a prize.

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Speaker 1: So so so for the normal human being out there,

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Speaker 1: if you do the injury that you did, what was it.

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Speaker 3: So broken cuboid? Yeah, it's like a floating bone in

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Speaker 3: the foot. What would the recovery?

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Speaker 1: What would the recovery be for someone like me if

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Speaker 1: I did that?

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Speaker 4: Oh it is it's an instant eight week in like

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Speaker 4: six weeks in a boot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so for most people it's eight weeks in a boot.

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Speaker 1: You decided to keep going for thirty four more k's

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Speaker 1: in one of It's one of the hardest marathons to run,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very hard. Like the terrain's pretty nuts like

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Speaker 4: it would be. Yeah, you got a three k unrunnable hill,

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Speaker 4: fear of a lion being around any corner.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it was.

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Speaker 4: I felt it immediately and I was like, oh, I

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Speaker 4: should be able to run on this. And my rule

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Speaker 4: is if it's not broken, you can run on it

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Speaker 4: and it was broken, and I thought.

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Speaker 3: It's not broken. It's not broken, so I should be

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Speaker 3: able to run on it. As soon as I stopped.

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Speaker 4: Twenty minutes later, I was like, this thing is definitely broken,

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Speaker 4: esush and limp my way home and got an MRI

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Speaker 4: twenty minutes off half forgot off the plane and it

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Speaker 4: was it was broken us idiot.

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Speaker 3: I think we can keep those comments to ourselves. Well,

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Speaker 3: so we are going to continue that trend of your

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Speaker 3: an idiot.

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Speaker 1: So the other thing you've done in the last year

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Speaker 1: is so you were trying to stay uf. Your leg's

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Speaker 1: a bit like you did the Big Big five marathon, obviously,

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Speaker 1: but I know that the body has been beaten from

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Speaker 3: So you went, you went, I'm going to do another

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Speaker 3: endurance event.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to ride my bike for twenty four hours straight.

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Speaker 3: So prior to that, are you a cyclist?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: No, no, So I did, I ran London, I say

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Speaker 3: it again, yeah, idiot, idiot.

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Speaker 4: No, I as I broke my foots I was allowed

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Speaker 4: within the parameters of the injury to ride and I said,

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Speaker 4: I'm all good to ride.

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Speaker 3: They said, yep, you can ride right as much as

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Speaker 4: And I went well, it's twenty four hours in a date,

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Speaker 4: seven hundred and forty k done in the twenty four hours,

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Speaker 4: which is grim. But I loved it, loved it.

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Speaker 3: Don't say it's.

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Speaker 1: It was that hard for you doing twenty four hours

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Speaker 1: straight to cycling.

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Speaker 4: It was beautiful, it was it was blessed. It's my

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Speaker 4: favorite place to be. It's where my head is free

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Speaker 4: and I don't think about it things. So it's yeah,

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Speaker 4: only two hundred laps a Centennial part.

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Speaker 1: Two hundred, so I do by gride, so an issue

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Speaker 1: write a lot to build up to one hundred k's.

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Speaker 1: I struggle with saddle saws like your ass canes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how was the tushe after seven hundred and forty k's.

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Speaker 4: A bit of Pete Murray send better days. It's it

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Speaker 4: was all right. I mean, there's worse things going on

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Speaker 4: of chafe between the old thighs and butt isn't too bad.

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Speaker 3: Is it. I don't know. I haven't run, I haven't

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Speaker 3: ridden seven hundred laps years. Fuck, it's fine, it's fine.

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Speaker 3: There's way worse things going. It's all good. Do you

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Speaker 3: love the attitude? I love it.

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Speaker 2: I feel like there are so many sites, like various

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Speaker 2: psychologists that would listen to your talk, that would just

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Speaker 2: love to sink their teeth into you, because I like.

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Speaker 4: How do you feel?

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Speaker 2: And you've probably been beating them off with a stick,

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Speaker 2: haven't you. What's your relationship with rest?

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Speaker 3: Oh? The finitude of life makes me not want to rest?

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Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, And I know that will change over time

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Speaker 4: and priorities change, but you cannot last through the future,

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Speaker 4: and that's not something I'm prepared to do and prepared

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Speaker 4: to be in the moment right now. And if you've

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Speaker 4: got twenty four hours to ride a bike and you're

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Speaker 4: allowed to, then do it. So obviously a broken bone

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Speaker 4: of exercise, and so that is a bit nali for

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Speaker 4: someone who can't sit still. Yeah, but it's been really

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Speaker 4: actually like protize other things. So it's been happening outside

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Speaker 4: of this training, which has been a really special thing.

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Speaker 3: And I guess that's why that's why we're here today.

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Speaker 2: You are here MNEA ten to four oh one club

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Speaker 2: really about, first of all, just recognizing some of the

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Speaker 2: statistics around trade is meant health as a result of

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Speaker 2: their work. So might attend did this survey over eight

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Speaker 2: in ten of traders have faced mental health challenges. The

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Speaker 2: one that really scared me before was that one in

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Speaker 2: a result of work related challenges, which is crazy. And

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Speaker 2: I know it used to be a sparky every one. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: I can imagine.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I got shocked.

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Speaker 4: Maybe that's what happened was electrical belts gone, can't turn

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Speaker 4: it off?

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Speaker 1: Is that you were a sparky when you you run

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Speaker 1: a marathon every day fifty days.

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Speaker 3: When you were a sparking.

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Speaker 4: Yes, indeed in twenty twenty and then I quit about

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Speaker 4: six weeks form my run across Holes and I haven't

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Speaker 4: looked back. But I'm very fond and proud of my

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Speaker 4: days as a trade and tradesmen and women are the

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Speaker 4: backbone of the nation in my opinion. So yeah, this

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Speaker 4: ten a minute after tools down where instead of you know,

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Speaker 4: and start conversation around that. So yeah, the idea is

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Speaker 4: we've been able to go around the country. I've been

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Speaker 4: that the might a ten going for run and starting

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Speaker 1: So why do you think those stats around trades are

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Speaker 1: really really scary?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Why do you think tradees in particular struggle with their

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Speaker 1: mental health?

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Speaker 4: It's complex, but I would say a few things. Trades

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Speaker 4: men and women go into because they love the trade,

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Speaker 4: and then there's a lot of pressures that come with

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Speaker 4: running a business that have nothing.

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Speaker 3: To do with your skills as a tradesman.

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Speaker 4: You go in and there's all these complex around not

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Speaker 4: getting paid and delayed payments. It's the only industry where

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Speaker 4: you go buy a service and they do it and

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Speaker 4: then there's like a fourteen to twenty eight day pay

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Speaker 4: cycle back where like you know, you go into woolies,

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Speaker 4: you buy your thing, you have to pay instant. The

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Speaker 4: getting paid by the client, and then there's all these

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Speaker 4: financial pressures and they might be out on other jobs

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Speaker 4: and it's just this overwhelming sense of oh, I'm not

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Speaker 3: I'm going to the march and behind.

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Speaker 4: And they're not even addressing and they're waking up and

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Speaker 4: they're constantly thinking about it. So I think there's a

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Speaker 4: lot of stuff and cost living pressure are massive as well.

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Speaker 2: So is there a human nature to actually this moment?

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Speaker 2: The other day, so we've got an electrician Dan, if

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Speaker 2: he's listening, great dude. He's moved a number of things

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Speaker 2: at what he does and I'm like, well, firstly, I

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Speaker 2: just could never do that, but secondly, it's bloody dangerous,

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Speaker 2: How I going? I'm will This is my daughter Max,

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Speaker 2: who's notmally running around at the time, and then I

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Speaker 2: say to him, do you guys want like a coffee

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Speaker 2: or like a tear or anything, and then like we

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Speaker 2: he left the other day, he was like, oh, thanks

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Speaker 2: by the way, Will And I was like, well for

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Speaker 2: and he was like, oh, I don't know, it's just

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Speaker 2: offer him a tea and stuff. And I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't like you're in my house. Yeah, so I

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Speaker 2: think that'd be weird if I didn't do that. And

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Speaker 2: he was like, yeah, but you don't realize. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 2: normally it's just good. How you going. Here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: And then even if they're working, they're working from home,

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Speaker 2: they ignore me. Yeah, So I imagine it can be

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Speaker 2: very solitary.

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Speaker 4: Well, especially in that too, is like you might go

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Speaker 4: into a client's house and they're watching or every move

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Speaker 3: What you're doing.

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Speaker 4: You're like, you've employed me for all my years of

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Speaker 4: work to come and do this job, and then you're asking,

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Speaker 4: because you're paying the money to make sure it's oh,

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Speaker 4: can you do it this? So you can do It's

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Speaker 4: like why DoD you get me? Yeah, let me do

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Speaker 4: that complexity as well. But yeah, I think I think

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Speaker 4: I don't know the complexities of mental health, but I

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Speaker 4: Thank you boys. I appreciate it so much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll get an emotional now. I remember that clear.

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Speaker 4: It was like it was the day after I finished

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Speaker 2: So there a sense of like I've pushed myself too far,

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Speaker 3: If you're willing to go to that place.

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Speaker 4: So I actually chose to not because I'm trying to

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Speaker 4: in it. And that was another challenge, was like all right,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, WHOA did you?

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Speaker 4: It all makes you and creates a more rounded athlete.

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Speaker 1: Did you have moments where you were like, like walking

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Speaker 3: The majority of Yeah, may I cried. I cried a lot.

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Speaker 3: Crying is important, very powerful, and stopping is important. Stopping

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Speaker 2: But I'll leave that for whichever' psyche is lucky enough

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Speaker 3: I'd love to read your journal. I reckon, I don't

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Speaker 3: think we can.

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