1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show as she 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: binds this controversial kid free euro trip, the fallout from 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: the Tammy Hembro and Bailey Smith new romance, and Chloe 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: Zepp's remorse over the closure of her active wearline. But first, 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift has announced she's entering a new era. The 8 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: singer songwriter revealed she's releasing her twelfth studio album, Diary 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: of a Showgirl, in October. Taylor shared the news on 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: her boyfriend Travis Kelsey's podcast, but the announcement has been 11 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: overshadowed by the revelation that Taylor Swift has actually been 12 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: in her sour Dough era since finishing her epic tour. 13 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: Sourado's taken over my life in a huge way. I'm 14 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: really talking about bread sixty percent of the time. It's 15 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: become a huge, huge factor. 16 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 3: I mean, and she's getting good with making all these 17 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 3: different versions of it. 18 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: I could listen to Taylor Swift talk about Sourdough for hours. 19 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: This is right up my alley because I've only recently 20 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: started getting into bread making. I just felt like at 21 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: one with Taylor. I'm like, we're the same. I mean, yes, 22 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: you're mega famous and rich, but we also both like 23 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: making bread. Like, could she be any more relatable? 24 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 3: Yeah? 25 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: It was really nice just to hear Taylor talking normally 26 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 1: because she is so down to earth and we haven't 27 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: really got to see that side of her for a 28 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: while because she's been on the Eras tour and it's 29 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: been so pumped up in the media. She's almost become 30 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: this godlike entity to people. Yeah, and I think that's 31 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: one of Taylor Swift's superpowers. She can remain so relatable 32 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: yet she is this mega superstar. And I think it 33 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: was a good move to have her on Travis's podcast. 34 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I know a lot's been said about, oh, 35 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: you know, why is she announcing the news of her 36 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: album and her boyfriend's podcast, But as she said on 37 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: the podcast, it was just a cool, fun way to 38 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: share the news and it was a surprising way, like 39 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: no one was expected it and no one was expecting 40 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: the chat about the sourdough and also otters. 41 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: This is where the internet is a good place where 42 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: you can curate a reality where like all I really 43 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: use the internet for is sourdough. And when Travis shows 44 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: me videos of ards on his Instagram. 45 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 3: Algerithman, I want a wild so bad. I just want 46 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 3: to like find these little creatures. 47 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: Yeah he doesn't, but he wants wild. 48 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you? Aren't they there's domestic domestic. 49 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: He wants one specifically whose life he saved, who knows 50 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 2: that he's saved. It's a really specific type of arder 51 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: he's looking for. 52 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: Taylor are Self joked on this podcast episode that when 53 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: they first got together, people must have been like, what 54 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: do they talk about? I mean, I could never have 55 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: guessed that this is what they spoke about, but I 56 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: love it. I saw a tweet that someone put up 57 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: and they said, I don't want to give any spoilers 58 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: for those who haven't listened to the podcast, but this 59 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: is what it's about, and they put a photo of 60 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: an otter and sour dough loaf. I couldn't believe that 61 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: the podcast was two hours long, Like, I know that 62 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: is usually the length of the New Heights episodes, but 63 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, maybe Taylor Swift will only be 64 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: on it for a short time. But it was so 65 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: good to hear in this long form content and she 66 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: opened up about so many interesting things. It got me 67 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: even more excited for her new album coming out because 68 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: it sounds like she's taken a bit of feedback on board. 69 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 1: Off the back of The Tortured Poets. I have to say, 70 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: The Tortured Poets has been my favorite album she's released 71 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: in the last four albums, so I much prefer to 72 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: over Folklore evermore. And also Midnights. However, a lot of 73 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: music critics were saying it was too long, there were 74 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: too many songs. I think it was the real Swifties 75 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: that enjoyed that album, the real hardcore fans, But it 76 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: seems like this album is more for everyone else. Like 77 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: she said, it's only going to be twelve songs for 78 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: a twelfth album. She's confirmed that there's no surprise second 79 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: bonus album, and she said it really encapsulates what her 80 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: life has been like behind the curtain. While she was 81 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: on the Ears tour, she said it's infectious joy and 82 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: Travis said that there's going to be a lot of bangers, 83 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: and I noticed there's a song on the album called Honey, 84 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: which is pretty interesting. Off the back of Travis Kelce 85 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: appearing in Happy Gilmour Too Well. In that movie, he 86 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: had honey poured all over him. Taylor confirmed that she 87 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: wasn't dressed as the bear that poured the honey on him. 88 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: I fly out to Europe tomorrow night, so I thought 89 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: I'd do a little hall of some last minute things 90 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: I just put up at the shop, Ash binds his 91 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: two week euro trip is causing controversy for more reasons 92 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: than one. The og fitness influencer initially divided opinions when 93 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: she announced she was holidaying kid free for the second 94 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: time this year. However, it was Ashy's decision to film 95 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 1: and share content at a Holocaust remembrance site the truly 96 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: angered people. Now, before we get into that side of things, 97 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: I want to talk about this kid free holiday aspect 98 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: because it's not the first time ash has been criticized 99 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: for holidaying without her children. In twenty twenty two, she 100 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: was forced to defend herself after she left her three 101 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: month old daughter Tala at home with her husband while 102 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: she went on a girl's weekend away. At the time, 103 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: Ash she called out the hypocrisy, saying if a dad 104 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: went away for forty eight hours, no one would say anything. 105 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: She also questioned what was wrong with leaving her children 106 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: with their father. Ash was again then criticized, this time 107 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,119 Speaker 1: last year when she left her daughter at home again 108 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: with her dad, to travel solo with her eight year 109 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: old son Taj. More recently in May, as she was 110 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: labeled selfish online after she went on a girl's trip 111 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: to Bali without her family. Amy, how do you feel 112 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: about Ash leaving her kids at home? Well, they do 113 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: have a father that is looking after them in those 114 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: examples that you provided, so I see nothing wrong with 115 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: her actually going and having a holiday with her friends. 116 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: I mean, mums do need a break as well. I 117 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: was going to say that no one would blink an 118 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: eyelid if Ash's husband Steve did the same thing, but 119 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: recently Steph clare Smith's husband Josh Miller was called out 120 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: for doing just that. It was a slightly different scenario though, 121 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: because Josh is the children's caregiver Billy their daughter was 122 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: also a newborn, so slightly different. I mean, I mean 123 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: Tyler was three months old, so just still unfair to 124 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: be called out like that, I think, I mean, I 125 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: can understand the criticism a little bit more this time 126 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: around because Ashy and Steve are both away from their children. 127 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: I still think this backlash is unfair. I mean, the 128 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: kids are probably with a family member having a great 129 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: time themselves. I think I would go on a holiday 130 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: without Harry if my parents said, oh, we'll look after 131 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,239 Speaker 1: him for a few days. I don't really see anything 132 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: wrong with that, because I think sometimes you do need 133 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: a bit of a break. Yeah, but it's not a 134 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: couple of days. It's two weeks away from your kids. 135 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: I mean, Tyla is three and Taj is nine. Surely 136 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: they could have brought the nine year old. I mean, 137 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't want to go to Europe with a 138 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: three year old, but I think in this instance, maybe 139 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: then just don't go on a holiday and wait two 140 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: kids a little bit older. Like I'm a bit old school, 141 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to leave my kids at home. I 142 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: want to bring them with me and share those ventures together. 143 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: In saying that I wouldn't be taking a toddler to Europe, 144 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: but well, I heard Ashwicks talking on his podcast about it, 145 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: and he and his wife for going to Balley. I 146 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: think it was for a week, and he said they 147 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: previously bought the kids, but it was so hellish that 148 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: they decided not to take them this time. I mean, 149 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: he said, it was kind of awful for everybody involved. 150 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,679 Speaker 1: I suppose it's personal preference, and I'm actually just thrilled 151 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: for Steve that he got the call up because it 152 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: seems like a well deserved trip for him, considering that 153 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: he has solo parented whilst Ash has been away on 154 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: numerous holidays. So the couple ended up traveling business class 155 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: to Poland with a stopover in Singapore and Turkey. And 156 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: as she posted on TikTok, making light that she was 157 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: a passenger princess and that Steve had booked everything for 158 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: their trip, and it kind of made more sense when 159 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: ash revealed on her Instagram story where they were first 160 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: going in Poland. So from the back of the car, 161 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: she shared that she was going to Auschwitz Museum. So 162 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: the site used to be the largest Nazi concentration and 163 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: extermination camp during World War Two and it's considered one 164 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: of the most significant Holocaust remembrance sites in the world. 165 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what Ashy said about it. So, 166 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: I've just got a private driver that is taking to 167 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: the outswitch camp. So today is going to be a 168 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: heavier day. That's something Steve and I've always wanted to 169 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: go and learn about more and experience more relics of 170 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: books and documentaries, and Steve watched a bunch of new 171 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: movies coming over as well. This is gonna be a 172 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: very sad, heavy day. I wonting documenting it, documenting it 173 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: or flogging it just to have respect just doesn't feel 174 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: quite right. But you've got a full day out. 175 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 3: There and. 176 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: Now. Despite saying she wasn't going to document her visit 177 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: to the museum and memorial, three hours later, as she 178 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: shared photos from the grounds with the caption this is 179 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: so surreal, so fucking sad, there are no words. She 180 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: went on to share six photos and twelve videos with 181 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: the disclaimer that she was about to share sensitive content 182 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: that may quote feel heavy and emotional to read or 183 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 1: watch now. This vision included photos of the victims alongside 184 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: their personal belongings and the barracks that they stayed in, 185 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: including the toilets and the bunk beds. As she accompanied 186 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: the vision with her personal thoughts from her visit, she wrote, 187 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: today we walked through Auschwitz. I don't think anything could 188 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: have prepared me for the weight of being here, the stillness, 189 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: the silence, and the knowing the over one point one 190 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: million men, women and children were murdered on these very grounds. 191 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: There was so much we weren't allowed to film out 192 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: of deep respect, but this is the small glimpse we 193 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: had permission to share. I'm not here to debate or 194 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: answer questions. I'm simply sharing because so many of you 195 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: have messaged saying you never have had the chance to 196 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: come here yourselves. She finished up by saying that she 197 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: felt heartbroken but grateful for the privilege of learning now. 198 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: Two hours later, it was a real jump scare because 199 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: she then shared vision of her looking very glamorous, sitting 200 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: on the back of what looked like a horse and carriage, 201 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: doing this royal esque wave, pouting, and she went on 202 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: to share photos of her and her husband enjoying dinner out. 203 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: It just seemed totally tone deaf to have that off 204 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: the back of this other content. Yeah, it's also bizarre 205 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: considering she said she wasn't going to share any content. 206 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm going to use the word again, but 207 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: I found the whole thing very tone deaf, especially considering 208 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: what's going on in the world at the moment. I mean, 209 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: understand that her job is to share content, but have 210 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: some respect. I mean, to make this big deal that 211 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: you're not going to share content, but then a couple 212 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: of hours later you do the exact opposite. I mean, 213 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: if she felt compelled to share about it after, she 214 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: could have just spoken directly to the camera about her 215 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: experience rather than sharing vision from within. I mean, what 216 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: is she gaining by sharing it? That was a big 217 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: question I had. Yeah, I think she should have just 218 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: paid her respects rather than using it as a content opportunity, 219 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,719 Speaker 1: which it really felt like. And despite saying that she 220 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: had permission to share this small glimpse, it appears to 221 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: have gone against the rules stipulated on the museum's website. 222 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: So the rule state people are allowed to take photos 223 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 1: and videos for their personal records, but not for commercial purposes, 224 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: and that photography and filming is not permitted in certain 225 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: rooms of the site. They even listed specific guidelines for 226 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: digital creators that said online creators need to get permission 227 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 1: to produce content for their channels at the museum prior 228 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: to the visit. Content creators have to send information to 229 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: the press contact, including an outline of the script or 230 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: concept of the material. The content then has to be 231 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: approved by the museum's press office before publication. Furthermore, only 232 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: a museum representative is allowed to speak about the history 233 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: of the camp, either narrating the history alone or in an 234 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: interview format with the author. So to me, it seems 235 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: like Ash posted this content without getting approval. Oh yeah, 236 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone approved that kind of content. I 237 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: mean it shows you just how sensitive this type of 238 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: content is. The fact that you have to go through 239 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: all of those approvals. 240 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 4: Have you everyone seen it? I'm assuming the news comes 241 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 4: out it's not look. 242 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: Okay, what has everyone seen? Firstly, for those who might 243 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: not have. 244 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 4: Seen it, my ex has moved on with someone, yeah. 245 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: So, or she's on a date. Tammy Hembro has iconically 246 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: responded to being busted on a date with AFL star 247 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 1: Bailey Smith. Just seven weeks after announcing her divorce from Mattzakowski. 248 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: The OG influencer took to TikTok to cryptically share how 249 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: she's feeling via Songlime is going to be one of 250 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: Tammy's greatest talents, picking song lyrics that align with what's 251 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: going on in her life. It's literally how we all 252 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: picked up on the fact that her and Matt Sakowski 253 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: were done, and she's quite the storyteller via lyrics, so 254 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: the lyrics she chose to respond to being spotted with 255 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: Bailey Smith were as follows. 256 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 2: He'll be fucking boring. This whole town is so fucking boring. 257 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 4: I care. 258 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: And there was an added easter egg in this TikTok, 259 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: so fans quickly picked up that Tammy was wearing the 260 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: same added US jacket Bailey Smith wore on their lunch 261 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: date over the weekend, and funnily enough, a week prior, 262 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: Tammy was busted wearing her ex fiance Rhyes Hawkins's jacket, 263 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: so she was seen sporting the jacket on her Instagram 264 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: story after the pair reunited to celebrate their daughter's ninth birthday. However, 265 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: that story was quickly removed. I love our Tinder and 266 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: now trying to claim this relationship because, as we discussed 267 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: on Tuesday's show, Bailey is an ambassador for Tinder, so 268 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: under a TikTok of Bailey applied to a comment that said, 269 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: well he found Tammy just in time, writing wonder where 270 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: they met with the eyes emoji? Good on Tinder because 271 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: no one believes for a second that they met on 272 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: the app. However, their name is getting thrown around a lot. 273 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the partnership has paid for itself. 274 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: Now I want to talk to you about Matt Sakowski 275 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: because he has hit back on his podcast revealing that 276 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: he was the one who dumped Tammy. I was waiting 277 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: with baited breath to see what he was going to say, 278 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: seeing as he gave all those quotes to the media 279 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: on Monday. The podcast ended up dropping a day late, 280 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: which makes me think that there was a bit going 281 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: on behind the scenes. The same thing happened last time. 282 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: Matt addressed the Tammy situation on his podcast, and I 283 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: suppose when life gives you lemons, you make lemonade, as 284 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: Matt used Tammy's date as a hook to get listeners. 285 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: So the episode was entitled seeing your Ex with someone Else, 286 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: and within a couple of minutes of the show starting, 287 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: Matt addressed the Tammy Bailey sighting. So when his co 288 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: host Anna McAvoy asked him about his weekend, he said, 289 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: obviously everyone had seen what happened with Tammy. He then 290 00:13:58,440 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: dropped this. 291 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 4: A couple of months ago, I made a one of 292 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 4: the hardest decisions of my life. I decided to leave 293 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 4: a relationship that I found was not right for me. 294 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 4: It was unhealthy for me, and I made the decision 295 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 4: for my mental health to leave. In doing that, it 296 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 4: does not make it any easier seeing the person that 297 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 4: you loved, the person that you married move on with someone. 298 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: It's interesting off the back of Tammy being spotted with 299 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: another guy that he has to say, oh, I'm the 300 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: one that dumped her. 301 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 4: You know. 302 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: I assumed that it was Tammy that broke up with Matt, 303 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: so I was quite shocked to hear this news. It 304 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: just seems like a bit of a power play to 305 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: be like, oh, well, I'm the one that dumped her, 306 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: so you know, I'm the winner in this situation. But 307 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: then you're going to talk about it on your podcast 308 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: after saying that silence is power, like, it's just I 309 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: think he's scrambling to catch up to try and get 310 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: media attention around this. He went on to say that 311 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: it's been extra difficult because of this relationship being in 312 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: the public eye and he can't block it out. He 313 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: then said, you know, I'd be getting all of these 314 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: messages from publication and my friends talk talking about it, 315 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: and then he said that he wasn't judging Tammy for 316 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: moving on quickly, that was all fine, it hasn't upset him, 317 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: but he just thought, oh wow, you know, wow, it's 318 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: not decision to say all of these things if you 319 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: don't want to be engaging in it all, Like, if 320 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: you don't want to be involved, don't say anything else 321 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, because if you just wanted to block 322 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: it out, wouldn't you just stop talking about it? Because 323 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: the media are now going to pick up on his 324 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: side of things, yeah, and putting clickbait headline. Yeah. It 325 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: seems like Tammy's decision to move on quickly has actually 326 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: changed Matt's mind about staying silent on his breakup as well, 327 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: because he said this. 328 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 4: I know, I said that I wasn't going to address 329 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 4: this any further and keep talking about it. But you know, 330 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 4: things are going to arise as I go on the 331 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:48,239 Speaker 4: journey of healing, and I have this platform, this podcast, 332 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 4: people listen every week, and I think that I might 333 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 4: share my journey with them and how I'm traveling and 334 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 4: how my healing's going. So I'll keep you guys posted. 335 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: I mean, we predicted early on that this was going 336 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: to happen. It was only going to be a matter 337 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: of time before he shared his side of the story, 338 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: and this has obviously pushed him on. I mean, I 339 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: think this is game on for Matt, particularly off the 340 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: back of him giving quotes to media. I mean, just 341 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: after we recorded Tuesday's episode, pap shots of Matt walking 342 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: to a cafe were published alongside the Bailey Smith Tammy 343 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: Hembro story. And for those who haven't seen him in 344 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: the photos, he's walking down the street on the phone. 345 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: He sat out the front of a cafe and full 346 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: side of the cameras before choosing a table right in 347 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: the front of a big window. Inside he was photographed 348 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: reading a newspaper. I mean, if this doesn't scream pap 349 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: set up shots, then I don't know what does. 350 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. 351 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty obvious when you see photos like 352 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: this because what paparazzi is sitting outside Matt Sakowski's house. 353 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: They probably don't even know where he lives. And also, 354 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: if you've been followed by paparazzi, would you really set 355 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: out the front of the cafe and then in a 356 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: window like reading the newspaper. I mean, the photos went 357 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: perfectly with the quotes that he gave, so obviously he 358 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: spoke to the media teed up these pap shots probably 359 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: made a couple of thousand dollars off it. 360 00:16:58,560 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 4: Well. 361 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: I just think no shame though, because I'm sure Tammy 362 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: and Bailey probably did the same thing too. See I 363 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,719 Speaker 1: think maybe Tammy called the paps, but Bailey wasn't in 364 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: on it, particularly because he gave them the finger. And 365 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: I think he's copped a lot in the sports media 366 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: over this, like this is something that's probably causing him 367 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: a headache at Geelong because they want him to be 368 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: focusing on football, not who he's dating. And now at 369 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: the moment he's having to contend with his ex Easy Armatage, 370 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: who's also an influencer, talking about him on her podcast. Yeah, 371 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: so she's come out and made some quite explosive claims. 372 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: She hasn't actually named him as per se, but she's 373 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: spoken about this footballer that she used to date. So 374 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: they used to date back in twenty twenty one. Interestingly, 375 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: that podcast was pulled down the day it was uploaded, 376 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: and media have been very cautious with the way they've 377 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: been reporting on what Izzy said on it. Some of 378 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,479 Speaker 1: the claims are very defamatory, so we will be leaving 379 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: those for now. But I think this is a bit 380 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: of a developing story. Our latest restock and new styles 381 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: have arrived in the office, so I thought it would 382 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: do a little first impressions together. Chloe Zepp has opened 383 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: up about her shock decision to shut down her successful 384 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: active wear label ZEP. The od wellness influencer admitted she 385 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: has daily thoughts about bringing it back, but concedes it's 386 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: unrealistic at the moment. When the news first broke in 387 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: April that ZEP was closing down, there was a lot 388 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: of discussion about what Chloe would do next. So she's 389 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: confirmed that she's now a stay at home mum for 390 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: her two young sons, Artie and Sonny, and she and 391 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: her fiance Mitch Orville have moved to Newcastle from the 392 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: Gold Coast and it appears they're living a pretty normal 393 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: simple life. Mitch is now working a nine to five job. Sadly, though, 394 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: it seems like the decision to shut ZEP down was 395 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: almost forced upon Chloe because she said she just didn't 396 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: have the capacity to keep it running. Ultimately, having a 397 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: business with the team of staff alongside looking after two 398 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: children was just too much for her. I feel this week, Amy, 399 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: we can really relate to it because we are under 400 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: the pump. It's taken a while to record this podcast. Yes, 401 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: I feel for all moms out there and any stay 402 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: at home dads as well who are running busyines now. 403 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: Chloe admitted that she cried for a month about shutting 404 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: down ZEP and said she would bring it back in 405 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 1: a smaller capacity if possible. Do you think people would 406 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: actually want it back? Like, does she have that much 407 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: demand now? Yeah, she definitely does. When it closed down, 408 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: there are a lot of upset people that came out 409 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: of the woodwork being like, oh my goodness. They were 410 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: the comfiest tights. She definitely had a loyal customer base, 411 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: and when she was flat out asked by a follower 412 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: during a Q and A if she made the right decision, 413 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: she said, I think I could have definitely made other choices. 414 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: We had investment opportunities, but at the time it felt 415 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: overwhelming in more work, which I didn't have the capacity for. 416 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: But I'm sure there's other changes I could have made. First, 417 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: I was just in a season that felt big and 418 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: overwhelming for me. I felt really sad when I read this, 419 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: because it seems like in hindsight, she wishes she kept 420 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: it going, especially with investors. Interesting. Yeah, but she did 421 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: go on to say that she didn't have any regrets, 422 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: as she needed a break after being burnt out from 423 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: years of striving. It just makes me wonder if an 424 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: investor was interested, could they not have sold ZEP to 425 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: that Well, I'm guessing the investor wanted to put money 426 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: into it, so I might not have actually wanted to 427 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: buy it. I also wonder if one of the main 428 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: motivators for getting rid of ZEP was because of Chloe's 429 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: dwindling followers. She did have a lot of people drop 430 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: off after her controversial views over COVID. I mean, remember 431 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: there were people burning their ZEP products. Yeah, that was 432 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: five years ago. I think people got over that pretty quickly. 433 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think the brand was as big 434 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: as it was before that, but they still had a 435 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: pretty good supporter base, and the fact that someone was 436 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: willing to invest in it makes me think that potentially 437 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: maybe we could see it return in the future. Chloe 438 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: did say that there was potential for future projects. Chloe 439 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: also hinted at a possible YouTube return, so. She said 440 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: it's been on her heart for the last month and wrote, 441 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: I felt the urge to come back on throughout the 442 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: highs and lows of motherhood. Truly, the shift to stay 443 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: at home mum has been hard, and I'm over here 444 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: needing that word of encouragement more than ever too. She 445 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: said she was tossing up between whether she would do 446 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: a vlog format or a sort of table talk. I 447 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: definitely think volog and I'm excited to see those hopefully return. Well, 448 00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: that's why we're going to wrap things up today. 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