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Speaker 1: Little you put on your dance and shoes.

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Speaker 2: Give me your best shots from mumamea dot com dot

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Speaker 2: au and host of the podcast canceled with her sister Jesse.

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Speaker 1: Little Claire's not in today because he's not well. Well,

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Speaker 1: we're still got her.

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Speaker 2: Well, she's here on the phone, but she's not a

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Speaker 2: little smiling faces here. And I was concerned for you,

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Speaker 2: wasn't I, Amanda?

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Speaker 3: He was, and he said, but can we still get

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Speaker 3: coffees because we get a coffee when you come in.

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Speaker 4: Oh, how exciting.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we're still good if you don't mind, Claire.

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Speaker 2: So I was actually outwardly concerned. It was like this,

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Speaker 2: I said, is Claire coming in? And they said she's not. Oh,

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Speaker 2: and they said, but you're still getting coffee.

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Speaker 1: I there's something, But I was.

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Speaker 2: Concerned for you.

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Speaker 3: So, Claire today, I know that you want to talk

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Speaker 3: about Alec Bow Baldwin and there's been a change to

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Speaker 3: the case of him misfiring that gun.

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Speaker 1: So bring us up to speed with what's happening.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So, an FBI report over the weekend has found

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Speaker 4: that Baldwin did pull the trigger on the weapon that

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Speaker 4: killed cinematographer Helena Hutchins on the set of RUSS last October.

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Speaker 4: And what's interesting about that is that Baldwin has always

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Speaker 4: insisted that he didn't fire the gun. He said in

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Speaker 4: an interview last December, the trigger wasn't pulled. I didn't

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Speaker 4: pull the trigger. And it's definitely changing the way people

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Speaker 4: are looking at this case, because it seems ridiculous really

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Speaker 4: that he insisted he didn't pull it in the first place,

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Speaker 4: because people originally said, there's absolutely no way this gun

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Speaker 4: went off without somebody pulling the trigger.

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Speaker 3: He probably wasn't aware he did it. In the horror

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Speaker 3: of the moment and the shock, he probably doesn't remember

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Speaker 3: doing it, but that obviously doesn't mean he didn't do it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and he has said he believed he was handling

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Speaker 4: a cold gun, which means it didn't have live ammunition.

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Speaker 4: But it raises questions about culpability because is it Baldwin

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Speaker 4: who should be blamed or the armorer Hannah Didierrez Reid,

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Speaker 4: who is twenty four and his job was to make

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Speaker 4: sure that there wasn't ammunition in the weapon. She has

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Speaker 4: said that she said publicly that she did her best

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Speaker 4: on a poorly run production. But then you think, well,

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Speaker 4: who is in charge of production. Baldwin was the producer

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Speaker 4: on the film, so it's fascinating. And when you get

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Speaker 4: into the whole question of guilt, Baldwin says he doesn't

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Speaker 4: feel guilt. He feels grief, which is probably a way

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Speaker 4: to legally protect himself. But there's one person who says

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Speaker 4: that they feel guilt over what happened, and it's somebody

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Speaker 4: who wasn't on set.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's a big it's just telling about

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Speaker 2: America's cavalier attitude to guns around that time. That particular

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Speaker 2: firearm that he used, the crew were using it to

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Speaker 2: shoot cans and stuff before, So in America there's so

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Speaker 2: many guns and they're so used to them. So it's like, oh, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: I don't believe that he should feel in his mind,

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Speaker 2: he wouldn't feel guilty because it was an accident.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: I know, And it's like people are kind of looking

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Speaker 4: at the situation and seeing that it's one of those

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Speaker 4: things where just a million things went wrong, and these

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Speaker 4: positions like that Armora was twenty four, the lead prop

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Speaker 4: master was twenty four. They had like one credit to

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Speaker 4: their name. They just had no idea what they were

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Speaker 4: doing and there were bigger kind of labor problems on

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Speaker 4: the set. But this had actually happened before. Were you

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Speaker 4: guys familiar of the story of it happening? Yeah, decades ago? No?

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Speaker 1: Was this with Brandon Lee?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, killed by a prop gun on the set

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Speaker 4: of The Crow And again it wasn't properly checked before

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Speaker 4: the incident and so it shot him in the abdomen,

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Speaker 4: same as what happened to Helena Hutchins.

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Speaker 3: Is it a live bullet or what the bullet like

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Speaker 3: or is it a pellet? I'm still it's a dummy

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Speaker 3: that can still kill you. Is that what's happened?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I think from what I've seen about the Helena Hutchins,

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Speaker 4: the prop master went and checked the bullets afterwards when

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Speaker 4: she saw what had happened, and she said that that

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Speaker 4: the one she picked up was rattling, and that seems

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Speaker 4: like live ammo.

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Speaker 1: But why even has live ammo there? Why did they

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Speaker 1: even have live ammo?

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Speaker 3: So is Alec the only one who at this stage

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Speaker 3: the FBI is investigating the props Master's not being investigated

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Speaker 3: or being pursued.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think they're investigating the entire So they're investigating

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Speaker 4: Baldwin and looked at his phone records and all of

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Speaker 4: those sorts of things. But there seems to be a

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Speaker 4: lot of questions about the set and the film as

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Speaker 4: a whole, because there's also questions about how the ammo

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Speaker 4: got there, who supplied it, and there's all kinds of

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Speaker 4: rumors that it was from a lot of different places.

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Speaker 4: They can't pin down if it was live ammo. Was

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Speaker 4: it that a disgruntled person on set but the supplier

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Speaker 4: accidentally put live ammo instead of gummy bullets? Like you

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Speaker 4: can't kind of track where it came from.

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Speaker 3: It does seem like to be the perfect storm of

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Speaker 3: sliding door moments where all those checks should have been

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Speaker 3: made and none of them were. But him is Ep,

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Speaker 3: the executive producer, is that that's the ultimate culpability exactly.

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Speaker 4: It's just and it's one of those stories that you

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Speaker 4: go that would just never happen in Australia. I can

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Speaker 4: around all of this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Well, there you go. That's fascinating. If only Tommy Lee

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Speaker 2: wasn't live.

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Speaker 1: You got a bullet in that thing?

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Speaker 4: I know. True.

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Speaker 2: Well, Claire, make sure you get better, Okay, we'll enjoy

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Speaker 2: your coffee as well.

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Speaker 4: Okay, oh, thank you. Please enjoy it for me.

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