WEBVTT - Amy's Birth Story 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:06.320 Hello, and welcome to this very special episode of Outspoken Amy. 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:08.560 We have you back on the podcast to share your 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:10.760 birth story. It's been a month since you gave birth 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:12.760 to your little boy, Harry. Oh, it's so exciting to 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:14.280 be back. I don't know if you guys are happy 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:16.560 to have me back. We needed a mediator because Sophie 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:18.840 I just recorded Friday's episode before. I'm a bit sick 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:20.119 of each other, so it was nice to get a 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:22.319 change of scenery and come and record this with you. 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:25.200 Does it feel like any time has passed because sitting here, 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:27.200 I mean, because Harry's out the house, your husband and 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:28.840 mother in law, I've taken him out for a ward. 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:32.360 It almost feels like nothing has happened, but so much 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:33.720 has happened at the same time. 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:35.680 Yeah, it is weird. 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:37.680 I mean, as I said, I'm so happy to be back, 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.360 and I'm really excited to talk through the birth story 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.400 because I've been telling anybody that's willing to listen about 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:45.519 it because it is such a huge thing in your life, 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:47.080 and I know so for you've been getting a bit 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:49.040 scared of me filling you in on some of the 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:51.800 details because it's not long before you're set to give birth. Yeah, 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:53.720 I've been finding a bit triggering because you have been 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:56.200 going into immense detail, but some people like all the 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:59.000 gory details. Yeah. Amy was just showing us some snaps 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.279 of her getting willed into the theater because you had 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:03.400 a cesarean. Yeah. Well, I was saying to you, guys, 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.839 isn't it funny how your partners they never really film 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:09.880 any content of you. There's a huge joke going around 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:12.960 on TikTok and Instagram, how always the wife takes his 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:15.760 beautiful photos of the husband and the baby and you 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:17.119 get these shit photos. 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:18.400 Or day none, yeah or none. 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:22.440 Well, Dale decided to film me going into surgery, which 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.720 is probably not vision I'm going to share because once 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:28.560 I look absolutely horrendous. 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:29.720 I have a handnet on. 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:32.960 No one looks good in the hairnett No. But it's 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:36.600 also sort of mortifying because you know what's about to happen, 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:39.319 But very cute that he decided to film that. Actually, 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:41.720 what I enjoyed about the vision is I can tell, 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.120 knowing you so well, that you're trying to look cool 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:47.440 about the situation whilst freaking out inside. It's a really 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:50.200 weird thing to be wheeled into a surgery when you 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:52.280 can just walk yourself. Well, the thing I found so 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:54.680 weird about the whole process was a lot of people 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:56.480 have asked, oh, why were you booked in for a 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.160 C section? And did you elect to have it? I 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:02.280 did initially to have a C section, and you get 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:04.760 asked so many times by the midwives, oh why did 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:07.240 you decide to do that? And the reason I decided 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.320 to do it was one Kate had such a great 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:13.160 experience having a C section, and for me, I need 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:15.400 to know when things are happening. And the part of 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:17.160 the c section that I liked is the fact that 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:19.560 you can schedule it in, you can really mentally prepare 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:23.519 for it. Also, I had a large fibroid and as 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:27.200 the midwife appointments went on, a lot of the midwife said, actually, 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.720 it's really good that you have booked into get a 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:33.360 C section because the fibroid was quite large. It was 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:36.520 actually in the incision area. There were concerns that maybe 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:38.840 if I had had a vaginal birth, that it might 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.360 have blocked the birth canal as well. This is the 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:42.960 thing that scares me because I hear a lot of 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.760 people talking about how they were kind of pressured in 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.160 to have a vaginal birth and then they've gone on 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:52.280 to have a emergency C section, and then the doctor goes, oh, yeah, 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:54.200 we thought that might happen, but we wanted to give 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:55.799 you a go, And I'm like, what. I think there's 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:57.800 a lot of judgment when someone says that they want 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:01.120 an elective C section, and I'm kind of used why 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:05.320 both processes are incredibly difficult and Tafa, I wouldn't say 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:07.079 that one is easier over the other. And at the 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:09.240 end of the day, you know your body best, you 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:10.880 know your mental health best, you know what's going to 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:12.960 work for you. And I think because all three of 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.679 us have had or having kids so close to each other, 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:17.440 a lot of people are being like, why are they 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:19.960 all doing it? Like it's just because one of them's 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:21.720 doing it, so they all have to do it. We're 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:23.400 not like that at all. If anything, I felt the 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:25.840 pressure of, oh God, maybe I should have a vaginal 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:27.640 birth just to shake it up a bit. I think 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:30.760 some of the judgment comes around the recovery from a 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.240 C section, and people think, oh, these women are just 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:36.080 going into it blindly and they don't understand that you know, 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:38.800 for the next six weeks you have to actually go 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:41.760 through that recovery process. I mean, I can't drive for 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:44.560 another two weeks. I need to remind you to slow down, though, 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:46.920 because the other day you had us over for dinner 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:49.400 and you were like mopping the floor on the ground 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.520 with a piece of paper towel. You went for a 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:53.640 five k walk a week after. These are things you 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:55.280 should not be doing because you need to let your 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:57.960 body hear. I actually think the judgment comes from people 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:00.400 assuming that getting a C section a bit of a 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:02.360 copper and it's the easy way out and you're not 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:05.440 having to go through, you know, an intense labor. But 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:09.160 after hearing both of your experiences, it's definitely not an 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:11.800 easy process, and I don't think anyone should go into 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.040 it blindly. I think everyone should do their own research 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.120 and work out what is best for them. I remember 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:20.280 watching Sarah's Day's birth blog where she documented her vaginal deliveries, 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:22.479 and that was what sealed the deal for me. I 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.080 definitely booked that as aesari and I cannot go through 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:27.520 that hat so off to women that can. Again, though, 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:29.840 as you've all said, the cesarian is not an easy process. 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:33.400 Well just what one suits you. Let's get into the 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:36.320 day itself. Maybe started off by telling us how many 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:39.280 weeks you ended up actually getting to and how you 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:42.279 felt the morning of Yeah, so I was thirty nine 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:46.240 weeks and one day pregnant when I delivered Harry, and 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.320 it was quite a surreal morning. 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:49.640 So we were booked in. 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.600 So we were told to arrive at ten am, and 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:54.640 Kate had been told to arrive at the same time 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.000 when she gave birth to Jack, but she ended up 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:59.800 sitting around until five pm. Well I had him at 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.320 five yeah, yeah, yeah, So it was quite a long day. 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:05.280 So we packed everything. We had Dale's switch, we had books. 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.000 We looked like we were going to stay at the 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.640 hospital for two weeks. You had so much food. I 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:14.240 didn't understand. You had bags and bags and bags of Woolies, 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:17.159 hot Cross buns or things that you would never eat 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.280 because I told Dale to go get the snacks, and 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.359 I think you didn't know specifically what I wanted. So 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.240 he came home with every kind of chocolate. 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:24.279 It was. It was great. 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:26.040 We didn't really end up eating much of it. But 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:29.440 on the morning I got a call at around eight 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:33.000 o'clock and it was the hospital saying, actually you were 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:36.040 going to go in second but for some reason, I 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:37.960 don't know the person who was going in. First, they're 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:41.680 not coming before. I don't know what happened. Second, they're like, 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.520 can you get there a little bit earlier? So I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.080 we can. So anyway, we didn't get there earlier. We 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.240 got there at the ten am time slot. I think 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:51.520 you need to tell the listeners what Dale was doing, 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:54.320 because there's that trend at the moment where people share 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.400 what their husband does before guests arrive at the house, 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.760 and I think Dale, you know, normally Dale does something. 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:01.360 Yeah, well, in the past. 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.880 For an example, we had some of Dale's friends coming 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.479 over and the house was an absolute bomb. While I 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:09.520 was inside cleaning the house, he decided to spray paint 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:11.479 the shed or spray you know what I mean, like 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:13.320 with one of those spray guns. Well, this is a 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:15.720 whole new category stupid things that you haven't has done 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.920 right before you've given a death. So I was telling davee, 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:20.840 oh my god, we better hurry up, like we want 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:22.360 that first time slot. 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:23.480 Let's get this going. 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.000 And Dale hadn't packed the car, so I assumed he 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.719 was packing the car, but he had been outside cleaning 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:32.200 under our car port. So our loungry and we've got 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.120 a window and it looks out into the car port. 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:36.880 And he had said that he couldn't have relaxed during 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.599 the maternity leave if the if it had been dirty, 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:41.440 so he left it to the day of the birth. 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:43.920 Let's just put it into perspective. You have this date 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:48.280 for six weeks now, you've known when it's happening. Yeah, 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:51.280 so maybe it's nesting. That's his type of nesting. Well, 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:53.000 because he'd been up so early and I was like, Dan, 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.479 what the hell have you been doing? Nothing's packed. And 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:58.120 then he insisted that we stop so he could get 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.279 breakfast at McDonald's on the way, and I said, Dale, 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.200 we're not missing this time slot, particularly because you have 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:04.400 been fasting. Yeah. 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:06.120 So we arrived at the hospital. 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.680 I luckily Dale listened to me, and we didn't go 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:10.840 past matt Donald's because it wasn't even on the way, 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:13.760 because I thought you initially said that you guys were 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:15.400 on time, because I thought that there was a bit 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:17.880 of an attitude from some of the staff being like, 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:19.480 where have you guys been? Oh? 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:20.760 Well, So basically what. 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.400 Happens is you arrive and you have to sort of 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.920 check in as a patient. So while I was doing 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:30.440 all the paperwork, Dale went off and there was a 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:34.000 nearby cafeteria so in the hospital, so he went, how's 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.960 this combination? He went and got a coffee and an 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:39.680 egg soundwich. I remember this story. I can't remember which 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.480 influencer said it or who said it, but apparently their 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:45.480 husband ate like sour cream and onion chips, and the 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:47.280 smell of it on their breath made them want to 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:49.640 punch their husband out whilst they were in labor. That's 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.360 our favorite chip favorite the more that's good. Yeah, we 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.840 got it side note on Boxing day because it was 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.440 the cheapest packet of chips at the only shop that 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:00.520 was open. And then we've had a real craving for it. 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:03.320 It's been my pregnancy craving it. Well, I can't I 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.440 don't remember smelling the egg on Dale's breath, but I 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:09.160 said to him, that's just a ticking time bomb, like 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.920 having a coffee and an egg sang, especially when you've 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.920 got like public toilets to the Yeah. But the funniest 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:17.400 thing was, so Dale was off getting his sandwich and 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:20.480 I give you you little what is it like a bracelet? No, 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:25.080 like the hospital tag and I ended up putting my 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.000 arm forward as if I was about to be admitted 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.840 into a nightclub getting a stamp, like palm up, yeah, 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:31.880 and I was like, oh, sorry, that's probably the wrong way. 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:33.959 I'm acting like I'm going into a nightclub and the 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:36.040 lady's like, you won't be going to a nightclub for 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:37.040 a very long time. 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:38.800 Oh, thank you so much. 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:40.880 I'm still getting over the fact that Dale went and 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.199 got him sell food because Reese was like, oh, I'm 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:44.439 not going to eat anything in front of you. I 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:46.760 feel bad. I said to Dale, look, I would prefer 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:48.800 you to eat, because Dale can get a bit angry, 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:50.800 so I said, just go and eat. Well. Every time 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.440 Brandon and I go to the hospital for a midwife's appointment, 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:55.640 I have to line up while he dashes out to 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:58.200 get a quick power raid because he is so scared 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.720 of hospitals and he is convinced hill faint during one 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.600 of these appointments. So I'm really even do anything, I said. 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:06.439 I said, I'm the one that's getting all the needles 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.920 and stuff, and I'm the one that's saving your stomach. 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.319 I don't find the heart right, and then they ask 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.680 you just like can't you just stand with me. You 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:15.600 know what I mean. Can't you just stick with It's 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:19.160 funny you say that, because when we were getting ready 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:22.000 to go into surgery, I could tell that the doctor 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:23.760 was sort of looking Dale up and down and he 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.480 said to him, Oh, how are you with needles and everything, 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:28.600 like are you feeling okay? And I was like, yeah, yeah, 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.080 I'm good. I'm just here to support Amy. I'm fine. 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:34.720 And they basically said that a lot of husbands actually 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.520 faint during the sea section. I can see why because 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.120 in the lead up to Mother's Day, So I hope 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.840 you haven't seen it. I know exactly what you're talking about, 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:46.679 photo and video going around of how long the epidural 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:50.200 needle is and haven't seen that? To keep that in 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:53.160 mind when you were buying your wife a Mother's Day present, 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:57.040 is it actually like a real pure I was glad 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.400 I saw this after because I had no idea how 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:03.840 long the needle. But basically, when you go in, it's funny, 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:05.920 as you said, Kate, they will you all this way 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.559 through the hospital and then you have to walk into 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.880 the operating theater and sit down on the operating table, 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:14.400 which is a bit confronting, and that's when they put 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.080 your canula in, and to be honest, that was probably 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.760 the most painful thing. Then they give you a pillow 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.079 and you have to hold onto the pillow and crouch 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:22.960 over and this is. 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:26.080 When they're putting in their picture, their perdural and. 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:28.880 Look, it wasn't It was more so just the thought 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:30.760 of having a needle in your back, which is the 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:31.640 most confronting thing. 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:33.480 It wasn't actually super painful. 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:36.480 I mean, when you're pregnant, you're prodded with every needle 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:38.079 in the leader, so you can't still. 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:39.920 It's the mental thing. Did they talk to you? 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.000 Because my doctor was like chatting to me and no 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.200 one really said to stay still, which freaked me out. Well, 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.480 the weirdest thing was how many people were in the room. 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:50.160 So there was I think we counted thirteen people and 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.160 it was funny because only a few of them spoke 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:54.760 to you, So it was like you isaich Dale, it 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:56.439 was like we were walked into the set of Er. 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.160 There's all these people just walking around. So the doctor said, 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:01.760 you're gonna be numb from the neck down, so you're 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:04.320 not obviously going to feel anything, but you are going 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.920 to feel a bit of pressure. So she said Basically, 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:10.200 it's like your body is a handbag and we're rummaging 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:12.160 around looking for your key. So that's what it's going 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:13.840 to feel like. I got to say that was a 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:16.640 great description because it did feel like that. I don't 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:19.000 know if I need this level of description. Five weeks out, 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:22.600 so Sovie's passed out, Brandon's already on the floor. Well, 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:25.840 when they said that a lot of husband's faint, I 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.400 did instantly think of Brandon. So I think what they 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.880 do is they make sure that the husband is seated 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.560 and away because they don't want them collapsing on some 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.120 of the you know, like the uteniss. I've heard some 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.160 story about how a husband has collapsed and they've ended 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:43.160 up having to have an operation themselves. So this is 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.319 Brandon's biggest fear. His biggest fear initially was fainting at 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.640 our wedding. A wedding then ended up being forty degrees 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:50.920 and you know, he gave him a complex. Thankfully, he 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:53.160 didn't faint. He lasted the whole day. But now he's 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.199 got in his head. Imagine if I faint and take 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:57.480 away any attention from Sophie and I'm not there, you 0:11:57.480 --> 0:11:59.600 just support her. You need someone on standby in case 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.440 he does. I'm sure he will rise for the occasion. 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:04.440 I think it's kind of good to know that it 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:06.880 is confronting before going into it. And it would be 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.880 fascinating if, like Amy or I could go in with you, 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:13.640 because I wonder if it would trigger any PTSD. I'd 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:15.959 actually I wish you could have two people or three 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:17.960 people in because I would like you guys there. Could 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.680 you maybe explain Brandon's issues with hospitals and maybe you 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:24.240 get like a support person. Yeah, I could just fagine 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:26.760 Brandon's dad coming in and holding your hand, right, it's 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:28.920 all right. Well, I did say to Brannon, don't feel 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:30.880 like you have to cut the umbilical corse because I 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:32.880 actually personally would that would make me vomit. 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:34.160 Like that was the funniest thing. 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:37.559 So as soon as they got Harry out of my stomach, 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:41.199 they lower the sheet down and you see your baby 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.040 and it's I was just like, oh my god, how 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:43.560 big is he? 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:45.640 It's how big is he? 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.480 Joking off Mike, they drop it and then because you 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.679 showed us a photo, it's like a kind of golumn 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:56.280 figure being like ah screaming, it's beautiful. They are not 0:12:56.360 --> 0:13:00.760 they're so beautiful, but it's so real. Baby thing of 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:04.560 seeing you know your stomach is there, and knowing that 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:07.560 this baby was removed. It's like it's wide. It's pressure 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.000 on your stomach because they're like, oh, you might feel something, 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:11.920 and then you just feel this massive push. 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:13.880 Yes, you feel the push. 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.960 But the instant relief I felt from having Harry out 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.320 of my stomach, even when you were on the operating taps, 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.400 it was so such a sophie, You're going to feel 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.880 this instant relief. But the crazy thing is, so they 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.280 show him to you and then they have to take 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.920 him away quickly because they had a nurse and doctor 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:31.960 look over here, and they didn't put him on you straightaway. No, 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.280 so they went over to cut the umbilical cord. So 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.840 it's quite funny because everyone says, once you've had the baby, 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:39.760 no one cares about the mother. It's sort of everything. 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:41.520 You know, all you get asked is about the baby. 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:43.880 And it was like this instant thing where I'm lying 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:47.640 on this operating table, my arms are spread out. Did 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:49.880 you have to spread your arms up? Yeah? I had 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.040 like chained down. It was they weren't chained down, but 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:55.520 I had one because the anethetist or whatever was monitoring 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.000 all my vitals and everything. And then my other arm 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.200 was on the other side because I was holding Dale's hand. 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:03.280 But Dale vanished because he had to cut the umbilical cord. 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:04.719 So I kind of was just. 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.760 Looking over and everyone was suddenly over there with Harry. 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:09.680 And then I thought, because they said they were cutting 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:11.680 the umbilical cord, I thought, how fucking long is the 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.160 umbilical cord? This is quite far away and no, but 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.760 then you realize they've cut it. It's just for show 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.720 that they let. They cut it further down and they 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.000 give you like this little re said it was like 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:25.960 a rubbery piece of chicken. We want people to still listen. 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.080 People might be eating their breakfast. It's making me. I think, 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.680 if you're tuning into a birth story, you know it's 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:35.000 going to be a bit gruesome. What was the moment 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.840 like when you first saw Harry Well, I immediately noticed 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:42.400 his cute eyebrows, and I was like, oh my god, 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.080 I just yeah, it's funny, because I thought i'd cry 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:45.680 or something. 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:49.760 But because you're so amped up and I don't know, 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:51.040 is this really weird feeling? 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:53.320 It was so exciting to see him because you do imagine, 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.240 oh my god, what is this baby going to look like? 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:57.520 Because we were joking, I think was the day before 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:59.800 we went to Marrion Chopping Center and we're having coffee 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.800 and there's this one photo of Dale as a baby 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:05.320 that's been haunting you because it doesn't look like him. 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:07.760 It looks yeah, it's just it's a very unfa If 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:11.160 you saw this photo and maybe you have to share it, well, 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:14.040 and you saw fifty other men and the photo of Dale, 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:15.760 you would never think that that was a photo of 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.240 him as a baby. It looks like Fortunately, Harry came 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:22.040 out not looking like that photo. He's absolutely gorgeous, but 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:23.960 he does look like Dale as in, he looks like 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:27.280 he think he would look like as a Yeah. Yeah, 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.720 but then I also see elements of you as well. 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.560 I think maybe the reason you don't cry in those situations, 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.680 or you didn't cry that situation, is probably because it's 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:38.360 such a confronting, slush scary situation to be in an 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.760 operating theater, and you're probably just trying not to freak 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.080 out about what's happening. I feel like, yes, once the 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:46.120 baby's out, you're just like, oh, hang on, I'm actually 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:49.000 under the knife. Did you get a glimpse of anything 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:51.640 that was going on? Like I did? Know? Well, what 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:54.800 was amusing was the anethetist was talking to me the 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:56.600 whole time. I was talking to him more than Dale 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:58.520 because they're clearly trying to take your mind off it. 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:01.760 He was lovely my pistol for ages. I just was like, yep, 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.000 I'm out of here. Maybe if we were the last 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.280 one of the day. Yeah, he was so nice, and 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.880 he was talking about his kids and and you know 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.360 sometimes when it's awkward when you've got really intense eye 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:13.400 contact with someone and you sort of look around to 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:15.680 divert the gays. So he was talking to me, and 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:17.560 then I kind of like looked up, you know, just 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:19.200 to think of what else I was going to say 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:22.720 to him. I saw the reflection of my insight, but 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.600 because I didn't have my glasses on, my eyesight's pretty poor, 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:27.520 so I couldn't really make out what was going on. 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:30.840 But just look into this guy's eyes. Weren't me joking 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:32.240 that you were going to come in with a hair on, 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.920 like a baseball cap on and shape, Yeah, I disassociate 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:37.760 yourself from the room. Well, the funniest thing was when 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.880 I was being wheeled out after being sewed up. I 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:44.360 was like, oh, thank you everybody, Thanks guys, and I 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:48.440 don't think people thank everyone normally when they're removed. He's 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:52.080 very polite. Yeah. Well, someone has asked whether you wore 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.640 makeup or did your hair during the birth, because we 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:58.080 have had an episode years ago where we spoke about 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.440 Indy Clinton, who got a lot of attention for having 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:02.920 a fake tan looking great, like looking at maculate. I 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.520 can see why people do that because you feel like 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:07.879