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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to this very special episode of Outspoken Amy.

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Speaker 1: We have you back on the podcast to share your

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Speaker 1: birth story. It's been a month since you gave birth

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Speaker 1: to your little boy, Harry. Oh, it's so exciting to

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Speaker 1: be back. I don't know if you guys are happy

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Speaker 1: to have me back. We needed a mediator because Sophie

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Speaker 1: I just recorded Friday's episode before. I'm a bit sick

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Speaker 1: of each other, so it was nice to get a

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Speaker 1: change of scenery and come and record this with you.

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Speaker 1: Does it feel like any time has passed because sitting here,

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Speaker 1: I mean, because Harry's out the house, your husband and

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Speaker 1: mother in law, I've taken him out for a ward.

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Speaker 1: It almost feels like nothing has happened, but so much

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Speaker 1: has happened at the same time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is weird.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as I said, I'm so happy to be back,

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Speaker 1: and I'm really excited to talk through the birth story

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Speaker 1: because I've been telling anybody that's willing to listen about

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Speaker 1: it because it is such a huge thing in your life,

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Speaker 1: and I know so for you've been getting a bit

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Speaker 1: scared of me filling you in on some of the

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Speaker 1: details because it's not long before you're set to give birth. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've been finding a bit triggering because you have been

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Speaker 1: going into immense detail, but some people like all the

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Speaker 1: gory details. Yeah. Amy was just showing us some snaps

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Speaker 1: of her getting willed into the theater because you had

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Speaker 1: a cesarean. Yeah. Well, I was saying to you, guys,

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Speaker 1: isn't it funny how your partners they never really film

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Speaker 1: any content of you. There's a huge joke going around

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Speaker 1: on TikTok and Instagram, how always the wife takes his

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Speaker 1: beautiful photos of the husband and the baby and you

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Speaker 1: get these shit photos.

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Speaker 2: Or day none, yeah or none.

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Speaker 1: Well, Dale decided to film me going into surgery, which

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Speaker 1: is probably not vision I'm going to share because once

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Speaker 1: I look absolutely horrendous.

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Speaker 2: I have a handnet on.

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Speaker 1: No one looks good in the hairnett No. But it's

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Speaker 1: also sort of mortifying because you know what's about to happen,

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Speaker 1: But very cute that he decided to film that. Actually,

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Speaker 1: what I enjoyed about the vision is I can tell,

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Speaker 1: knowing you so well, that you're trying to look cool

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Speaker 1: about the situation whilst freaking out inside. It's a really

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Speaker 1: weird thing to be wheeled into a surgery when you

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Speaker 1: can just walk yourself. Well, the thing I found so

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Speaker 1: weird about the whole process was a lot of people

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Speaker 1: have asked, oh, why were you booked in for a

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Speaker 1: C section? And did you elect to have it? I

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Speaker 1: did initially to have a C section, and you get

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Speaker 1: asked so many times by the midwives, oh why did

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Speaker 1: you decide to do that? And the reason I decided

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Speaker 1: to do it was one Kate had such a great

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Speaker 1: experience having a C section, and for me, I need

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Speaker 1: to know when things are happening. And the part of

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Speaker 1: the c section that I liked is the fact that

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Speaker 1: you can schedule it in, you can really mentally prepare

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Speaker 1: for it. Also, I had a large fibroid and as

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Speaker 1: the midwife appointments went on, a lot of the midwife said, actually,

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Speaker 1: it's really good that you have booked into get a

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Speaker 1: C section because the fibroid was quite large. It was

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Speaker 1: actually in the incision area. There were concerns that maybe

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Speaker 1: if I had had a vaginal birth, that it might

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Speaker 1: have blocked the birth canal as well. This is the

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Speaker 1: thing that scares me because I hear a lot of

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Speaker 1: people talking about how they were kind of pressured in

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Speaker 1: to have a vaginal birth and then they've gone on

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Speaker 1: to have a emergency C section, and then the doctor goes, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we thought that might happen, but we wanted to give

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Speaker 1: you a go, And I'm like, what. I think there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of judgment when someone says that they want

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Speaker 1: an elective C section, and I'm kind of used why

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Speaker 1: both processes are incredibly difficult and Tafa, I wouldn't say

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Speaker 1: that one is easier over the other. And at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, you know your body best, you

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Speaker 1: know your mental health best, you know what's going to

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Speaker 1: work for you. And I think because all three of

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Speaker 1: us have had or having kids so close to each other,

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Speaker 1: not like that at all. If anything, I felt the

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Speaker 1: pressure of, oh God, maybe I should have a vaginal

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Speaker 1: birth just to shake it up a bit. I think

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Speaker 1: some of the judgment comes around the recovery from a

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Speaker 1: going into it blindly and they don't understand that you know,

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Speaker 1: through that recovery process. I mean, I can't drive for

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Speaker 1: another two weeks. I need to remind you to slow down, though,

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Speaker 1: because the other day you had us over for dinner

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Speaker 1: and you were like mopping the floor on the ground

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Speaker 1: five k walk a week after. These are things you

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Speaker 1: should not be doing because you need to let your

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Speaker 1: body hear. I actually think the judgment comes from people

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Speaker 1: after hearing both of your experiences, it's definitely not an

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Speaker 1: easy process, and I don't think anyone should go into

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Speaker 1: and work out what is best for them. I remember

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Speaker 1: watching Sarah's Day's birth blog where she documented her vaginal deliveries,

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Speaker 1: and that was what sealed the deal for me. I

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Speaker 1: definitely booked that as aesari and I cannot go through

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Speaker 1: as you've all said, the cesarian is not an easy process.

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Speaker 1: Well just what one suits you. Let's get into the

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Speaker 1: day itself. Maybe started off by telling us how many

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Speaker 1: felt the morning of Yeah, so I was thirty nine

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Speaker 1: it was quite a surreal morning.

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Speaker 2: So we were booked in.

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Speaker 1: So we were told to arrive at ten am, and

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Speaker 1: Kate had been told to arrive at the same time

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Speaker 1: sitting around until five pm. Well I had him at

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Speaker 1: five yeah, yeah, yeah, So it was quite a long day.

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Speaker 1: So we packed everything. We had Dale's switch, we had books.

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Speaker 1: hospital for two weeks. You had so much food. I

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Speaker 1: didn't understand. You had bags and bags and bags of Woolies,

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Speaker 1: I think you didn't know specifically what I wanted. So

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Speaker 1: We didn't really end up eating much of it. But

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Speaker 1: on the morning I got a call at around eight

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Speaker 1: don't know the person who was going in. First, they're

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Speaker 1: and I think Dale, you know, normally Dale does something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, in the past.

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Speaker 1: For an example, we had some of Dale's friends coming

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Speaker 1: over and the house was an absolute bomb. While I

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Speaker 1: And Dale hadn't packed the car, so I assumed he

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Speaker 1: And he had said that he couldn't have relaxed during

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Speaker 1: Let's just put it into perspective. You have this date

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Speaker 1: so maybe it's nesting. That's his type of nesting. Well,

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Speaker 1: because he'd been up so early and I was like, Dan,

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Speaker 2: So we arrived at the hospital.

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Speaker 1: I luckily Dale listened to me, and we didn't go

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Speaker 1: our favorite chip favorite the more that's good. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: don't remember smelling the egg on Dale's breath, but I

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Speaker 1: I give you you little what is it like a bracelet? No,

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Speaker 1: into a nightclub getting a stamp, like palm up, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, sorry, that's probably the wrong way.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I'm still getting over the fact that Dale went and

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Speaker 1: got him sell food because Reese was like, oh, I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to eat anything in front of you. I

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Speaker 1: feel bad. I said to Dale, look, I would prefer

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Speaker 1: so I said, just go and eat. Well. Every time

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Speaker 1: this is absolutely fickle, and we're just talking about this

433
00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:22,920
Speaker 1: becau's a bit of a laugh. But I don't know

434
00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,800
Speaker 1: how some people look so good in the post birth

435
00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:26,960
Speaker 1: photos at the hospital.

436
00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,040
Speaker 2: They didn't even really take a photo of Dale and

437
00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:30,920
Speaker 2: I together.

438
00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,439
Speaker 1: Really, we only really got photos of Harry and I

439
00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,239
Speaker 1: don't care because I don't even want surprising. I've got

440
00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:37,720
Speaker 1: a great one of me and a hairnet with no

441
00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,239
Speaker 1: makeup on that I've never seen. The lot of there

442
00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,680
Speaker 1: were generally photos of me looking gross lying there being

443
00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,639
Speaker 1: cut open, but there wasn't actually like a shot of

444
00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,840
Speaker 1: the three of us. Disappointing. But I was going to say,

445
00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,879
Speaker 1: you mentioned Sophie about how fickly it is about makeup

446
00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,400
Speaker 1: and whatever, But I mean, as we said, it's what

447
00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:53,679
Speaker 1: makes you feel comfortable.

448
00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,080
Speaker 2: But I know a lot of people.

449
00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,119
Speaker 1: Say that after you've given birth, you don't give a

450
00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,199
Speaker 1: shit about anybody seeing your private parts, and you and

451
00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,600
Speaker 1: I totally get that now because throughout the whole experience

452
00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,680
Speaker 1: of being pregnant, I didn't have to show anybody in

453
00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,679
Speaker 1: my vagina until the day of the birth, and that

454
00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,080
Speaker 1: was probably the most traumatic thing. And then your frog

455
00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,879
Speaker 1: legging about the whole theater. Yeah, so what happened was

456
00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,800
Speaker 1: I got the epidural or the spinal block, and then

457
00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,840
Speaker 1: it's so crazy you just instantly feel it sweep throughout

458
00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,679
Speaker 1: your body. You just suddenly you have no feeling in

459
00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,119
Speaker 1: your legs. And then they go, oh, now we're putting

460
00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,719
Speaker 1: in the catheter. And at this stage they had the

461
00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,440
Speaker 1: sheet up so I couldn't see what.

462
00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:33,040
Speaker 2: Was going on.

463
00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,240
Speaker 1: However, I could still feel that they had just taken

464
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,199
Speaker 1: my gown off, like I could just feel like I

465
00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,160
Speaker 1: feel that still, maybe because because you can feel the sensation,

466
00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,679
Speaker 1: like you can't take it off. Well, whatever they they

467
00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,080
Speaker 1: felt removed, like they'd rolled it up or whatever they

468
00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,679
Speaker 1: had done with it. I feel my legs being pushed

469
00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,879
Speaker 1: into this position. And then that went on for quite

470
00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,160
Speaker 1: a while. Like I'd rather not be told. I'd rather

471
00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,480
Speaker 1: just be like unaware. Again, I don't want to hear.

472
00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:00,639
Speaker 1: I just would like to be aware that I'm frog

473
00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,280
Speaker 1: leaking in front of all these Dale said, by the

474
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,119
Speaker 1: end of it, like the second day or yeah, it

475
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:07,680
Speaker 1: was it second or third day we were in hospital.

476
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,720
Speaker 1: When we're about to leave, He's like, you are a

477
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,760
Speaker 1: changed woman. You don't even flinch that the nurses will

478
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 1: come in. They'll just lift your gown, look at you,

479
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 1: remove your pad and you don't even care. It's weird.

480
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 1: That whole pad removal thing. I think it's also because

481
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,200
Speaker 1: you've got your boobs out the second you get into recovery.

482
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,920
Speaker 1: So soph and I were recording a podcast episode when

483
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,199
Speaker 1: you went in to give birth, and it was all

484
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,360
Speaker 1: very rush and then we were like, hang, we haven't

485
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,160
Speaker 1: heard from Amy for hours, and we were so annoyed

486
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,680
Speaker 1: because Dale had your phone and he was being very

487
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 1: cryptic with information, and we finally got a message saying,

488
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Mum and bub doing well. And then that

489
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:45,919
Speaker 1: was kind of it, and we were like, well, when

490
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 1: are we allowed to go down because you guys camped.

491
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:49,679
Speaker 2: Out at the hotel.

492
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 1: But we were all like, oh no, we're not going

493
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 1: to do that because I think you ended up wasting

494
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 1: like six hours old. Was horrible. What happened was, and

495
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 1: I didn't realize this at the time, is they were

496
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 1: monitoring me because when I came out of surgery and

497
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 1: I was in recovery. This might be a bit TMI,

498
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,359
Speaker 1: but in my bag, in my catheter, I had a

499
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,640
Speaker 1: bit of blood, so I think they thought they might

500
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 1: have nicked my bladder, and so I was in recovery

501
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,720
Speaker 1: for probably five hours. So it was something crazy like that.

502
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 1: So but by the time we got back to the room,

503
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,199
Speaker 1: that's when Dale wanted to tell everyone to come in

504
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 1: because we felt so bad after going through that process

505
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 1: that we were there in the waiting room knowing what

506
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,440
Speaker 1: was going on in recovery. I remember like Dad was like, oh,

507
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 1: have you let them know that we're here? And we're

508
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 1: sitting in recovery and one of the midwives could hear

509
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 1: all of this and they're like, Oh, would you like

510
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,160
Speaker 1: us to get your family into recovery? We were like, no, Oh, gosh,

511
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 1: that would have been awful. There have been some questions

512
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 1: about what hospital you delivered Harriet. It was Flinda's Medical Center.

513
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 1: So I went public. I've got private health insurance, but

514
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: I didn't have the complete cover that I needed to

515
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 1: go private. But even if I did, I still think

516
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 1: I would have opted to go public. Oh the money

517
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: that you say our public health system, I mean, it

518
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 1: has its flaws, but in terms of the eternity, Ward

519
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: is absolutely excellent. I have nothing but positive things to

520
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: say about Flinda's Medical Center. The doctors were amazing, The facility,

521
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 1: like the actual operating theater was incredible. Will you have

522
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 1: access to a broader range of doctors? As well. That's

523
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: the thing. If anything bad happens when you're in a

524
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 1: private hospital, you get sent to the public host. Yeah,

525
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 1: and all of the midwives were so lovely, just going

526
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: back to the hole, not caring what anyone thinks after

527
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 1: giving birth.

528
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 2: I didn't realize and Kate, you never really went into

529
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 2: the detail.

530
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know how much the midwives were hands on

531
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,239
Speaker 1: with helping you express milk. Yeah, because I had this

532
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: nurse and she was so nice. She came in, she

533
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: was the midwife that was on the night shift. She

534
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: was literally squeezing my boobs to get colostrum out and

535
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,479
Speaker 1: syringing colostrum out of them. Because I was having trouble

536
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 1: with Harry latching, and also because I had a c section.

537
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: Sometimes your milk doesn't come in here for a while.

538
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 1: You're actually kind of grateful when they do it because

539
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: I was I was in recovery, just had surgery, and

540
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 1: they're like trying to now you just sew it like this,

541
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: and then the woman's like, dot me just do it

542
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: for you.

543
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 2: I was like, h yeah, you feel like you're a

544
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: cow being milked.

545
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: It's a strange feeling. Was dale in there with the

546
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: syringe too, because we joke that Rees turned into a

547
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 1: lactation consultant when in the early days, Well, Night Too,

548
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't tell you. Night two is

549
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,479
Speaker 1: when the baby actually wakes up and they start crying.

550
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 1: Yeas night one. L Yeah, at night one, it doesn't

551
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: they don't do anything. So Sophie Bee Warren to Night

552
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: Too is where they wake up because the baby's trying

553
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 1: to help get your milk in, so they're wanting to

554
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 1: feed off you constantly.

555
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 2: So Night Too we were like, oh my god, I'm

556
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 2: getting no colostrum. I feel so bad.

557
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 1: He's not eating that much. So at one stage Dale

558
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: was there just I was squeezing my boob and he

559
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 1: had the syringe and he was like, come on, let's

560
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: keep going, keep going.

561
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,479
Speaker 2: Like we were just getting all of this and it

562
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 2: was kind.

563
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: Of really addictive of how much colostrum you get into

564
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 1: these syringes. I just looked at him and said, what

565
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 1: has our life? Because it's two days ago we were

566
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: just at home watching suits and there were syringing colosster

567
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: that weird moment, but it's also like makes your relationship

568
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: so much stronger. You really feel like a team in

569
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:06,719
Speaker 1: that moment.

570
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent.

571
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: We were finally allowed to come in at around six

572
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: o'clock I think it was, and I was spewing because

573
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: everyone made this big point that we want everyone to

574
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 1: go in together. I was in the car park and

575
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: mum are called and said, oh, you're waiting for me,

576
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: and Mom goes, oh, sorry, we've already gone in.

577
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, what I could hear that you're

578
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 2: a notable.

579
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: Also, I think Dale's mum was meant to come in

580
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: at the same time as you, and she couldn't find

581
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: the car park, so she was a bit late too,

582
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: so I felt bad about that. I was happy though,

583
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: because it meant that you guys could record Jack's first

584
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: meeting of Harry. He wasn't that interesting. I don't think

585
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: he's been that interested in him. Well, I don't think

586
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 1: he really knows that he's a baby. So we're a person.

587
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: So we brought him in and Jack's new skill is

588
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: shaking his head. So I think Mum goes and Jack,

589
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: is this your best friend? And he started to chasing

590
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: and said no, and everyone just lost it.

591
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 2: We need to share that video. It's so cute.

592
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 1: I think it's one for the twenty first It was

593
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: just amazing for me because obviously I've been on the

594
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: other end of it, and it was so incredible to

595
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: go in there and get to meet this beautiful baby

596
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: and cuddle with him without having to actually do anything.

597
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: It was fantastic. He's such a little cutie. I still

598
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: think he doesn't wake up that often. Oh you should.

599
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he woke up. He was, He was

600
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: really fussing. He vomited a few times. I love the

601
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: fact that we all say he constantly looks like he's

602
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 1: judging you, and I don't know whether it's because of

603
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: his cute eyebrows or the fact that he really didn't

604
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 1: open his eyes for the first couple of days.

605
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 2: He constantly looks unimpressed by everybody.

606
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: He kind of looks a tiny bit like Jack, because

607
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: you told me when he first came out, You're like, oh, wow,

608
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: he looks so much like Jack. Because they both got

609
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: a dimple on their gin, which we don't really know

610
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: where it's coming from, Like Rehees has one, but Dale doesn't,

611
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: so have we got the gene as well?

612
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: I don't know gin well.

613
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,959
Speaker 1: I think babies they changed so much like when they

614
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: first come out. They're very puffy. They look quite different.

615
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: So I'm interested to see how he develops in the

616
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 1: next couple of months. I can actually see myself sometimes

617
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: in him. Sometimes I can see Dale's sister and him.

618
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 1: It's so crazy, the different angles, how different he looks.

619
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 1: People want to know how you came up with the name.

620
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: It is a very royal name, Harry Jimor was that intentional? Oh,

621
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: it wasn't intentional for it to be a royal sounding name.

622
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 2: That's not true.

623
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: You said you were tossing up having hr h oh.

624
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: That was the initials. I thought it'd be hilarious royal

625
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: because you're The last name that Harry has is Humphreys.

626
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: So you selected one of Dale's hyphenated names. Yeah. That's

627
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: been a bit of a long running joke that Dale

628
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: has the longest name ever because he has two middle names.

629
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: And I said to him, look, I'm happy to take

630
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: one of the last names.

631
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 2: Because I don't know.

632
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's hard growing up as a

633
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: kid with a hugely long hyphenated name. So, and especially

634
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: if it's like you don't have one of the surnames

635
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, so I'm going to be changing my

636
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: surname to Humphreys. So yeah, Harry Humphreys, a friend of

637
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: mine set it sounded like a rock star name. So

638
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: I have to ask, were you influenced by your love

639
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: of Prince Harry why you came up? Or Harry Styles

640
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: or Harry Potter because we grew up Harry Potter. See,

641
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 1: I always thought soph and I would have a Harry

642
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: because we were more into Harry Potter than you.

643
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: It just when you had Jack.

644
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: We were discussing baby names and we both said, oh,

645
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: I've always really liked Harry, and it was one name

646
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: we just instantly agreed on it. It's more so I

647
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: think the Harry Styles reference. I think Harry is a

648
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: really cute name.

649
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 2: And George.

650
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Speaker 1: I googled what are middle names that go with Harry,

651
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Speaker 1: and I saw George pop up, and I was like,

652
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Speaker 1: Harry George, that is just such a cute name. And

653
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Speaker 1: it turns out that Dale's great grandpa was called Harry

654
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Speaker 1: George as well. That's like our great grandpa was Jack Edward,

655
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: which is my son's name. I didn't realize, Yeah, their

656
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: middle name was the same. There was a while where

657
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: I was trying to persuade you to call him Harry

658
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: ed If that was my idea, I said to you

659
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: that we should all call our sons their middle name Edward.

660
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: But Sophie doesn't want to do that, so we But

661
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: that would have been really cute because like that, like

662
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: they're not going to have the same last name. Yeah,

663
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: but I think that they should have their own identity. Also,

664
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: you know, they do have their own identity. It's just

665
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: something that joins them, bombs them. Our son is going

666
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: to have another cousin who doesn't have the same middle name. Amy,

667
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: You've now been a mom for a month. Is it

668
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: what you expected it to be? Well, I don't think

669
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: anything can prepare you for motherhood. Everyone says that I

670
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: don't even really know what I thought it was going

671
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: to be like, but I've thoroughly enjoyed it. We were

672
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: saying before how I didn't cry when Harry was born,

673
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Speaker 1: like when I saw him for the first time, and

674
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Speaker 1: I expected I would. The other night, I was crying

675
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 1: looking at him, tears of being so grateful. And I

676
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: was listening to this podcast and someone was talking about

677
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 1: the mindset thing and how sometimes you should think, oh,

678
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: you know what if I was eighty And then I

679
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: came back as my younger self and what the perspective.

680
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: And I was looking at his little eyes and I

681
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: was like, well, he's like my little baby now, but

682
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: later he's going to be this grown hard it's to

683
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: a softy amy. It's so sweet to see. So I

684
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: think I shared on the podcast that your first week

685
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Speaker 1: in your message saying, look, it's just been tough giving birth,

686
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Speaker 1: but it's been such a magical week the Dale and

687
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 1: I have spent together and we just keep looking at

688
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: him just in awe of how beautiful special here is.

689
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Speaker 1: We were debating on the podcast and a few people

690
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Speaker 1: brought it up in our group about tiredness and being

691
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: tired as a new mum, and I think we were

692
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: also talking about tiredness during pregnancy. A lot of people

693
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: on TikTok have said they're very different levels of tiredness,

694
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: and I've got to agree. When you're tired in the

695
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: first few weeks as a new parent, it's different because

696
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: you're excited and you're running on adrenaline. So I would

697
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: look forward to feeding Harry. Oh my God, like, look

698
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: at him, it's so exciting. Last night, I think it

699
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: was the adrenaline. Was you know that it's rubbing away

700
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Speaker 1: because I suppose because you and Dale have been really good.

701
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: You've had so many people over. I feel like you've

702
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: had constant visitors through the door. You've tried to take

703
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: him out as well, so you've gone on walks, You've

704
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: taken him to outdoor cafes and that sort of thing.

705
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: So you've tried to really enjoy your maternity leave together.

706
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: I think that was important as well for our mental

707
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: health because you hear a lot of people getting down

708
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: because you know, it's this new life. Yes and so

709
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: and so. I mean, we've been really lucky. The weather

710
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: has been amazing here in Adelaide. But I think it

711
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: was a day two or three when we were home

712
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: from the hospital, we set ourselves a challenge that we

713
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Speaker 1: were going to go out to a cafe with him,

714
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Speaker 1: and it was great, Like we sat outside away from people,

715
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Speaker 1: but it was just good to get out there. And

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Speaker 1: we've been enjoying all of our walk so I've thoroughly

717
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Speaker 1: been enjoying motherhood. I am a little bit panicked because

718
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 1: Day was going back to work next week and just

719
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Speaker 1: thinking how it's all going to work. How have you

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Speaker 1: been finding the feeding side of things, because I think

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Speaker 1: when you're pregnant, no one actually prepares you for the

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Speaker 1: fact that most of your time is spent just feeding

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Speaker 1: the baby. Because of you, I was aware that the

724
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Speaker 1: feeding windows starts from when you first start feeding the baby.

725
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: It's meant to be about three and a half hours

726
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: to four hours between each feed, which is so unfair

727
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: because you like, hang on it should end once the

728
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Speaker 1: baby's fed. Yeah, because last night it took me about

729
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Speaker 1: an hour and forty minutes to feed Harry and then

730
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Speaker 1: you know, you fall asleep and he's wanting to be

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Speaker 1: fed again. Look, it's definitely a full time job feeding

732
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Speaker 1: a baby. I can see that. So I'm doing a

733
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Speaker 1: mixed feed of I've been expressing, and then I've also

734
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Speaker 1: been doing formula feeding. I've been trying to breastfeed where

735
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: I can, but hasn't had the best latch. And going

736
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Speaker 1: into motherhood, I saw a lot of women talking about

737
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: how they were expressing, and what they liked about it

738
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: was the fact they could see how much milk they

739
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: were actually making. So I've been opting to do that

740
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: because I've found that to be a lot easier for me.

741
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: It seems to work with.

742
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Speaker 1: Our lifestyle because we had a couple of friends who

743
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: their babies were struggling to put on weight, and that

744
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: was actually recommended to them that they pumped so they

745
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: can make sure that they know that the baby's getting

746
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: the right amount. Yeah, I think you had that in

747
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: your head where you're like, look, at the end of

748
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: the day, my priority is making sure that he's putting

749
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: on enough weight and yeah, a healthy weight range as

750
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: soon as we can. It's also great because that means

751
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: that you don't have to do all the feeds, Like

752
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: you can be pumping, You're gonna have milk ready to go.

753
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: You can also do your formula top ups. Yeah, Dale

754
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: can do it. Yeah. Have you guys been taking in

755
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: turns doing the night feeds because that's a game change. Yeah,

756
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: we've been doing shifts, so I seem to be getting

757
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Speaker 1: around the four am feed, Dale dot the one am.

758
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: So what time are you going to bed then?

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Speaker 2: I mean it depends.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it will be nine o'clock and be like, right,

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Speaker 1: let's go to bed for a few hours and then

762
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: we're going to wake up and we'll do like the

763
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock feed together.

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Speaker 2: But I've been watching so many YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Videos because I've decided when it's my time to feed him.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to put on a YouTube. I'll get a

767
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: little drink. I might get a little bit of a snack.

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Speaker 1: I like that. One thing, Amy that you have inspired

769
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: me to do through this process is to make sure

770
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: you're taking lots of photos and also filming a lot

771
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: of content. And you have recently bought the tiniest camera

772
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: I've ever seen, which is so funny because outside of

773
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: the podcast, you work as a videographer for our business,

774
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: Hula Media, and you have literally every professional camera that

775
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: you could think of, but you have bought this small

776
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: handheld one. It is tiny just so that you can

777
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Speaker 1: take it around and capture those moments that where you

778
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: probably can't be bothered to pull out at the camera. Yes,

779
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: I've got lots of heavy cameras, and as you said,

780
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Speaker 1: I've been trying to take a lot of nice photos.

781
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: But I was actually inspired by Georgia Richards. She got

782
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: this new vlogging camera and I was like, fuck, that

783
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: looks fantastic, So I went and bought it with a

784
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: late night Amazon purchase.

785
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: It arrived two days later.

786
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: And it's because growing up, our mum and dad made

787
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Speaker 1: the decision to buy a video camera before we were born,

788
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: and they said it was the best thing they ever did,

789
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: because you've got these beautiful home videos, and I just

790
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: wanted it to be able to pull it out and

791
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: take those, you know, like the really long videos where

792
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: everyone's talking in the background. Life here. I remember watching

793
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: our home videos and it'd be the best to hear

794
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: what everyone was discussing, even if it was like what

795
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: was on sale at Cole's at the time of hearing

796
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: our grandma.

797
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: Talking about that.

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Speaker 1: I remember there was a video of us on the

799
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Speaker 1: swings and Mum was talking about going in and waking

800
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Speaker 1: us up, and in this video she said, oh, and

801
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: Amy's got this fretto frog smile, and we.

802
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: Were still laughing so much.

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Speaker 1: Well, you've made me want to go out and get one,

804
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: because I think it'd be really funny and really easy

805
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: to capture the whole birth experience as well. Yeah, yeah,

806
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: it's I would highly recommend it. I mean, you don't

807
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: even have to spend that much money on a camera.

808
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: So if I know that your husband is a videographer,

809
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: but talking about how much he's going to faint, I

810
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: don't think he's going to be down the goal end. Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily want it down the goal end, but

812
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: I feel like we'd probably be sitting around waiting. It'd

813
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: be funny to get some behind the scene Brandon's fainting

814
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: incident and his power raid and so forth. Well, well,

815
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: I think we'll wait with baited breaths for both of

816
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: your vlogs. Definitely not vologging it. This would be a

817
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: very personal private video. Well, Amy, it was so nice

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Speaker 1: to have you back. Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back soon.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's not long now until Sophie gives birth,

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Speaker 1: so I will be back on the podcast. I'm actually

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Speaker 1: really excited for that. Well, we're excited to have you back. Well,

823
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 1: just for you and me. Kate waited for a little while,

824
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: changes scenery for you. I was saying that She's like,

825
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: can't you join us as well? If you joined remotely? No,

826
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: you were winging that you wanted to be a part

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Speaker 1: of us, like you won't. You will not have time, Sophie.

828
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Speaker 1: I can assure you'll be enjoying your newborn bubble. Well,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us for another episode of Outspoken. If

830
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Speaker 1: you do enjoy the show, we would love it. If

831
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Speaker 1: you can make sure you're subscribed and leave us a

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Speaker 1: five star review. This episode was recorded on the traditional

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00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: land of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We

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