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Speaker 1: nine centuries, twenty two fifties. This man made in his

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Speaker 2: Kim Hughes, good morning, good mother.

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Speaker 3: Good morning please, and good morning Lisa. Look I just

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Speaker 3: had a hilarious laugh with Susie, your producer. Yeah, yep,

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Speaker 3: and she was saying in twenty fifteen I came to

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Speaker 4: Well that's the way we did it in the eighties.

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Speaker 4: But cricket wasn't sponsored by Pittston Hedges for nothing.

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Speaker 2: That's what I got Kim at the answer.

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Speaker 4: It was a different time, something time.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and I've been there. Actually tomorrow is going to

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's a wild one hundred and seventy nine. Good

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Speaker 2: I've just got to work on the least thirty boys.

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Speaker 3: Now I've stopped winning premistionships, the bar sales have gone

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Speaker 2: A great to be with you.

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Speaker 3: I listened to your interview with John Todds and yesterday

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Speaker 4: That's great to have you.

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Speaker 2: Who did you have?

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Speaker 4: Who do you go for in the waffle?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Well, my father played for Subie back in the

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Speaker 1: Australia and Captain Australia did, mate. But it wasn't always

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Speaker 2: Unreal mate.

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Speaker 1: I remember watching you on the Talian Adelaide making a

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Speaker 4: It hasn't been with your your lovely wife since you

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Speaker 3: And made years.

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Speaker 2: You can't get it.

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Speaker 1: I'm a cricket tragic all my life and I'm fifty

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Speaker 3: And the other thing is that I was born in

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Speaker 3: why that is why I say we have Australia Day.

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Speaker 1: Very.

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Speaker 3: If you don't like it, live somewhere, don't bother, don't

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Speaker 3: change my date.

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