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Speaker 1: to this one that comes from Amy in Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: My eight year old told me today that she's embarrassed

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Speaker 2: when I come to watch her performances and school assemblies

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Speaker 2: and she said it just makes her feel embarrassed and

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Speaker 2: that she doesn't like it. I felt a dugger through

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Speaker 2: my heart, but told her that if she felt embarrassed,

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Speaker 2: then I would respect her decision and not come. But

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Speaker 2: I'm dying inside. I was always so sad as a

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Speaker 2: kid when my mom didn't show up to things. Is

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Speaker 2: this age eight appropriate? And how do I handle it? Well?

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Speaker 1: Kylie? I don't know about you. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: be cynical about this because I feel the dagger in

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Speaker 1: the heart. I get it. You're laughing. You know where

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Speaker 3: She's off the hook. She's off the hook.

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Speaker 1: If I never have to go to another school assembly

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Speaker 1: for the rest of the mine. I love that Amy

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Speaker 1: wants to be there, and I get it right, Like

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Speaker 1: you're proud of your child, they're going to be well.

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Speaker 3: Take assemblies out of the equation. If your child says

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Speaker 1: You, all they don't when you're showing up and doing

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Speaker 3: That's literally the worst thing you possibly be told by

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Speaker 3: your child it is.

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Speaker 1: It feels horrible, and you love your child and you

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Speaker 1: just want to be involved, and they're saying, get out

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Speaker 3: So but I can promise you Amy, if you tell

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Speaker 3: her that you want to take her out for ice cream,

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't think this is as much about her being

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Speaker 3: embarrassed by you in general, but there's something specific about

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Speaker 3: the school environment that leaves her feeling uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's just add the outset highlight what you're experiencing.

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Speaker 1: Totally normal, happens to lots of parents, even with children

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Speaker 1: as young as eight. I distinctly remember the day where

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Speaker 1: I said to my parents when they took me to

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Speaker 1: And I didn't want to be seen with my parents.

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Speaker 1: My dad was wearing his polo shirt tucked in with

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Speaker 1: and I just thought, I can't be seen with this man.

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Speaker 1: This is completely inappropriate. So my friend and I walked

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't want to make this about physical appearance,

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Speaker 1: self aware. They're starting to notice how they compared to peers.

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Speaker 1: They're starting to develop their identity, and this is a

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Speaker 3: I remember when I was in high school. My mum

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Speaker 1: Well, I've got so much study to do. I'm going

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Speaker 3: Because inevitably I would open that car door and the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Glori Hall Olivia. That sort of stuff. In all seriousness,

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Speaker 3: Think for Amy, what's actually more is the fact that

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Speaker 3: her experience as a child was about not having her

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Speaker 3: There's a few things that really stand out. She has

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Speaker 3: a child, number one, who feels completely comfortable to share

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Speaker 1: Just doing it in a clumsy, insensitive, lacking empathy kind

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Speaker 3: That's huge. Yep, that's huge, even when it hurts. That's huge, And.

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Speaker 1: That's developmentally normal that you'd have a child who's not

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Speaker 3: But number two, the recognition that you child is having

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Speaker 3: their own experience. It's not tainted by yours. Your reaction

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Speaker 3: to me, the fact that she doesn't need you there

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Speaker 3: It actually, to me suggests that you're doing a great

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Speaker 1: Points feel it, yeah, all valid points. It still hurts, though,

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Speaker 1: when your child is pushing you away and rejecting you. Okay, Kylie,

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Speaker 1: Amy's got a child who is saying, it's my life,

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Speaker 3: Wear bright green pants shirts.

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Speaker 1: Stream out, go Abby, You're the best in front of

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Speaker 3: So when our eldest daughter started swimming and she made

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Speaker 3: because I was the mum you know, who was pretty

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Speaker 1: And you didn't have to scream that in front of

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Speaker 3: And it was just a beautiful way for us to

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Speaker 3: So I think this is really important because I don't

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and you're the one with the prefrontal cortex

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Speaker 3: These are significant milestones that parents not should That's probably

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Speaker 1: Or attending some events but not others, is a.

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Speaker 3: Really beautiful way to acknowledge. I hear you, but my

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Speaker 1: So a script like this. I get that you're embarrassed,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, But I also feel a little bit sad

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Speaker 3: It's interesting, once upon a time you would have had

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Speaker 3: And nowadays that's not it. So you're actually kind of

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Speaker 1: And I think again, building any you go.

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