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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families Podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers. Now Gooday. This

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Speaker 1: is doctor Justin Colson, the founder of Happy Families dot com,

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Speaker 1: dot au dades six, daughter's husband to one wife, and

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Speaker 1: the parenting expert and co host on chan Lyne's Parental Guidance.

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Speaker 1: Also the host of this podcast, that Happy Families Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening and allowing me into

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Speaker 1: your life to hopefully be useful in making your family happier.

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Speaker 1: Today a lightning round with one of the most famous

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Speaker 1: authors in the world, Daniel H. Pink. Dan Pink is

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Speaker 1: the author of five New York Times bestsellers, including his

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Speaker 1: latest book, which I absolutely love, The Power of Regret,

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Speaker 1: and my other favorite of Dan's is Drive. Dan has

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Speaker 1: won a billion awards, had his books translated into a

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Speaker 1: million langok forty two languages, and has sold literally millions

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Speaker 1: of copies of his books around the world. He lives

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Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. With his family, and Dan joins

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Speaker 1: me for a lightning round. I'd like to have you

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Speaker 1: hit Dan. You know the rules, quick, simple, snappy answers,

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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of questions, all right, let's talk about it.

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Speaker 2: I'm a little I approach this with some I fear

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Speaker 2: I could have some regrets about agreeing to do this.

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Speaker 1: But later on, tell me how many kids you have

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Speaker 1: and how old they are?

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Speaker 3: I have three kids.

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Speaker 2: I have a nineteen year old, a twenty three year old,

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Speaker 1: And do you have a favorite child? Dan?

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Speaker 2: I do not.

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Speaker 1: Are you saying that because you have to say that

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Speaker 1: or is it really true?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: I truly do not. It reminds me a little bit

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Speaker 2: of people ask me whether I have a favorite book,

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Speaker 2: and I try to explain that I don't have a

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Speaker 2: favorite book of mine. I just because I love all

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Speaker 2: my books and the way I love all my children. Okay,

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Speaker 2: well that was my next question. So that's that's counted. Okay, great,

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Speaker 2: so we got so so this is a real, real

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Speaker 2: rapid fire because'm knocking up questions for the one answer

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Speaker 1: Next question, who do you love most? And I think

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Speaker 1: we can draw on some science here. Who do you

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Speaker 1: love most? Your your wife or your kids?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Oh, very good.

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Speaker 1: I don't know birth kids.

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Speaker 2: Whatever for me, whatever people want. I don't think there

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Speaker 2: is an ideal number for some people. It's like like

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Speaker 2: crazy people like you, it's a it's a half dozen

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Speaker 2: for a sensible person like me, it's three for many

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Speaker 2: sensible people at zero.

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Speaker 1: Favorite podcast, Dan, all podcasts. If you can't narrow out

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Speaker 1: down to.

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Speaker 2: One besides this one, I would say I like the

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Speaker 2: Happiness Lab by Lori Santos.

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Speaker 3: I like Hidden Brain with chankraved Antem.

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Speaker 2: And I'm a big fan of something called Autumn au

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna look that one up. The other two

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Speaker 1: are on my list every week. I love listening to

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Speaker 1: them as well. You've done a lot of research in

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Speaker 1: the psychological sciences. How do you write yourself as a

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Speaker 2: I think, I'm I think, i'm I think I'm in

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Speaker 2: the median. I think that half the world is better

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Speaker 1: Dan, what's something absolutely great that your parents did that

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Speaker 2: That's interesting because the best thing my parents did was

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Speaker 2: that was a transformative part of my childhood. Now and

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Speaker 2: I think what I've done with with our kids is

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Speaker 1: One of the disadvantages of a lightning round is sometimes

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Speaker 1: I really want to dig and poke in praud, but

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Speaker 1: wonderful answer, a fun one. Who's the better parent you

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Speaker 1: And what's the hardest thing about being a parent?

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Speaker 2: Seeing your kids struggle even though you know the struggle

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is hard. That is hard. Imagine you could

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Speaker 2: Dan.

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Speaker 1: You could go back and hold them as newborns for

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Speaker 1: an hour, or you could have them as fifty year

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Speaker 2: And why?

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Speaker 2: I would say probably, first of all, I would take

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Speaker 2: I'll take any age in the past. Okay, So I'm

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Speaker 2: not even going to negotiate that one if that's if

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Speaker 2: that's a real possibility. But yeah, if you if you

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Speaker 2: push me to the wall, I would say about age

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Speaker 2: I would like to I would like to see that, Dan,

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Speaker 2: I've asked this question of so many people. That's my

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Speaker 2: favorite answer in both cases. But I love that you

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Speaker 2: said any age. I just that's melted my heart. You've

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Speaker 2: become my favorite interviewee. Ever, I'm sorry to hear that.

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Speaker 2: What's the ultimate joy for you as a parent.

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Speaker 3: Seeing your kids become independent?

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Speaker 1: What's the correct age for kids to have a cell phone?

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Speaker 1: I get this question all the time, draws me crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's an interesting question because when my kids

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Speaker 2: think we had in our house very different answers for

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Speaker 2: phones were. So I'll make up an I'll make up

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Speaker 2: a number I'll make up a number ten. You got

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're the lowest of everyone I've ever interviewed.

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Speaker 3: Dan.

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Speaker 1: My estimation of your Yeah, my estimation has just dropped

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Speaker 1: off you again. I'm so sorry. What are you reading

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Speaker 3: What am I reading right now?

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Speaker 1: I am you know what?

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Speaker 3: Curiously enough, it's about kids.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I mean literally, it's the galleys of a

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Speaker 2: book coming out next year called a Minor Revolution. It's

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Speaker 2: sort of how we should reorient public policy toward prioritizing kids.

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Speaker 2: That what we don't do enough in our public policy,

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Speaker 2: especially here in the States, put kids at the center

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Speaker 2: of our public policy. And if we do that over time,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I say it all the time. Society is not

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Speaker 1: kid friendly. What's your children now that they're older? What's

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Speaker 3: Depends on the kid.

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Speaker 2: I think that our favorite thing as a family, all

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Speaker 2: five of us, is is just to eat together. We

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Speaker 2: sometimes have the funniest conversations where we just gathered around eating,

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Speaker 2: you know, not you know, not like going on some

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Speaker 1: When you think about what's in the future, what are

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Speaker 1: you looking most forward to as a parent, Dan.

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Speaker 3: You know it's weird.

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Speaker 2: I guess some of what I'm looking forward to is

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Speaker 1: If you could go back to you as a young dad,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've written a book called The Power of Regrets,

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Speaker 1: so this is a young dad. Yeah, this is the

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Speaker 1: perfect question for you. Go back to you as a

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Speaker 1: young dad. You're having one of those really tough moments

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Speaker 1: you're experienced. You've got these kids running around, you don't

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Speaker 1: know what to do. What advice would you give yourself?

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Speaker 3: Freak out way less. Most of this stuff doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: Don't get so blown out of proportion about like small

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Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. That kind of stuff doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, great stuff. And the last question of our lightning round,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Pink, what's been your biggest win as a dad that.

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Speaker 2: My kids still talk to me even though they're moving

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Speaker 1: I kind of want to say that's a really low bar.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, having a daughter who's moved

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Speaker 1: There's something so delightful about when they come back right

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Speaker 1: Dan Pink, thanks so much for joining on A Happy

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Speaker 3: What a pleasure I enjoyed it.

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