WEBVTT - Phil Burton - DANCING WITH THE STARS - Singer 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:03.760 TV Reload, the podcast plat Deep That. 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:06.400 Life and welcome back guys to TV Reload. As you 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:08.880 may know, my name is Benjamin Norris and this is 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:11.640 your podcast to get all the inside goss on the 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:15.560 popular TV shows you may be watching from around the world. Undeniably, 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:18.400 our TV sets are a major part of our home entertainment, 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.360 and yet very little is known about how our favorite 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:24.599 shows get made. So each episode I've been finding guests 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:26.560 the wann to dive just that little bit deeper to 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:29.160 the shows they're currently making, so that you can hear 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:31.880 all their exclusive stories and gain access to some of 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:34.559 the biggest names in Australian television. I want to thank 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:37.800 you for downloading or subscribing to this podcast TV Reload 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:40.640 however you've found me. I love hearing your feedback, so 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.000 make sure you leave a review or a comment on 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:46.280 your chosen podcast platform. This chat, I'm joined by the 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.960 winner of Dancing with the Stars, Phil Burton, who is 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:51.760 best known as a member of the Australian pop vocal 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:56.320 band Human Nature. Phil Burton is an absolute delight. He 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:59.000 managed to take on Fierce Competition this year with the 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:02.920 likes of Virginia gag, Mary Custers, Christy Wheel and Paulini 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:05.800 and runner up Emily Weir, who you would know from 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:09.040 home and away. He was the only male left in 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:12.040 the competition on Sunday night, and with the judges' scores 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:15.760 and audience participation, he managed to win the competition and 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:18.360 get the Mirror Ball for twenty twenty three. I will 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:21.160 find out if he knew that his management wanted all 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:24.399 of human nature to be in the competition. Phil will 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.279 talk about shedding his inhibitions and if men in twenty 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:30.759 twenty three care as much about their masculinity being judged 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:34.160 by other men. We will get some fascinating insights on 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:37.360 why this series was so popular with audiences and how 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:41.080 this group of celebrities found friendship sharing their personal stories 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:43.480 on the dance floor. Plus, we will get plenty of 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.200 exclusives from behind the scenes of Dancing with the Stars, 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:49.360 which is now available to catch up on seven Plus. Anyway, 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:52.240 let's bring Phil into the podcast, and guys, I really 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:55.400 hope you enjoy this very special look behind the scenes 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:58.840 of last week's finale of Dancing with the Stars. I 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:02.559 Phil congratulate on winning Dancing with the Stars twenty twenty three. 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.360 Thank you, Ben, Thank you very much. I appreciate it. 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:07.760 Was it a shock to take this out because I 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.000 mean the competition this year was pretty tough. 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:12.480 Yeah, it was a shock, I have to be honest, 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:12.920 you know. 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:15.480 Of course, for the last few weeks, Emily and I 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:17.520 had both known that one of us was going to 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:20.640 win it because we'd filmed us both, you know, coming 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:22.600 to the front of the final two, but we didn't 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:24.480 actually know which one of the two of us was 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:26.160 going to take it out from there. So for the 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.440 last sort of six weeks or so, I think both 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:31.040 of us have just been on tenor hooks, just waiting. 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:31.720 To figure it out. 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:35.040 But the beautiful thing was we actually were together last 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:38.959 night watching the final together. Emily organized to get together, 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.400 a lot of the cast came along and we were 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:43.359 all hanging out watching it on a projector screen in 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:46.359 a pub in Sydney, and Emily and I stood there 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:49.600 arms around each other watching the final result, and it 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:50.560 couldn't have ended in. 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:53.040 A more beautiful way. That's the fact that we were together. 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.560 And I think in the end, no matter which one of. 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:58.080 Us won, I think any of the competitors that were 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:00.160 on there can look back with pride and say, you 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.080 know what, together we made an amazing TV show. 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.359 You know what I think is really interesting about filming 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.760 multiple endings. Apart from you know, it's a safety thing 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:11.120 that I think that they do, it actually works really 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:14.400 well because you get this response from both people being 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:16.799 quite supportive of the other person winning. You know what 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:20.440 I mean, Like, you get this yes, of course it's you, 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.160 that's so great, and then they're like, roll tape go again, 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:25.200 and then the other person's like, of course it's you. 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:29.359 So you get this very genuine television moment you do. 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.360 And and funnily enough, even going back in the series 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:35.040 before that, when we all got together, all of the 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:38.520 different celebs and the partners, the pro dancers, there was 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:42.160 very little competition amongst the amongst the group. Backstage, there 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:45.400 was almost like basically none. Everyone was so supportive of 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.840 each other and we were there was the amount of 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.160 hugs that were going around backstage was just ridiculous. So 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:53.200 it's all just so much love and support. You're in makeup, 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.880 You're sitting in here and makeup with all these amazing 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.000 creations going on next to you. Then you go into 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:00.760 wardrobe and you get these fabulous outpuits fits put on. 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:03.680 And it feels like you're just done this incredible ride together. 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:06.320 And so when you look back and see the TV 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:08.080 show that we made, like I said before, I think 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.360 no matter whether you came first, or whether you were 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:14.640 the first person voted out and or anyone in between, 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:16.680 you could just look at what we made together and 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:18.640 feel so proud of what we did. 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:19.000 Well. 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.320 Home and Away contestants are really hard for you to beat. 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:22.960 I don't know if you know this. There's a bit 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.600 of a track record with this show where it's like, Okay, 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:27.480 there's a Home and Away guy, there's a Home and 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.280 Away girl. Everyone's going to have to up the anti. 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:32.960 I was wondering, did you think that she was the 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:35.360 one to beat? I mean, who out of this competition 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:37.719 did you think was your strongest competition. 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:40.880 Before the competition started, Just from name alone, I thought 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.320 that the competition, the main competition was going to be 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.960 Christie whel and Brown because she's big in the musical 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:48.920 theater scene, and in the musical theater you have to 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.440 know how to dance, so I thought that she was 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.000 going to be really, really great. I also thought Paulini 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.719 was going to be fantastic just from her background of 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:58.800 performing on stage. And of course, you know, both of 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:01.120 them made the finals, So I guess I was right 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:02.600 in that way. 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:05.040 But I didn't realize that Emily was such a great package. 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:07.840 I knew she was a great actress, but I didn't 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:10.640 know that she had that dance background that she'd had 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.440 and was really comfortable with the rhythm and the steps. 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.719 So she came through as a bit of a surprise 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:17.719 package for me. But from her very first dance you 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:19.520 could tell it was like, Oh, no, she's really great. 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:21.200 She's going to be really good in this competition. 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.400 Well, it's one of those competitions that I think does 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.760 well with the audience because we are watching you, guys 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.760 learn more about yourself than you've ever realized before. I mean, 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:34.520 apart from the moves. What did you learn about yourself 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.080 during this experience that made it so rewarding? 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:37.839 Oh? 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.680 I think, you know, being a performer on stage, A 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.000 lot of artists and creative types have this thing called 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:46.000 imposter syndrome where they feel like what they're doing is 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:49.680 never good enough and that someday someone is going to 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.040 expose them for the fraud that they think they are. 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:57.280 It's a really common thing amongst performers that have their insecurity, 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.400 and of course I've got it. So I've got that anxiety. 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:01.479 Anytime I go on stage, I feel like someone's going 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:03.200 to expose me as a fraud or something is going 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.880 to go catastrophically wrong, and you know, I'm going to 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:07.880 lose my voice or I'm going to fall over and 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:09.800 break my ankle and have. 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:10.280 To just stop. 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:13.400 The show always happen, I mean, those things can happen 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.359 so well. The thing is also it's like going in 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:19.640 the ocean and just being constantly anxious that you're going 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:21.599 to get bit in my shark. It's okay, yeah, it 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.839 could happen, but the chances are so minimal that it's 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:25.960 not worth worrying about. 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.000 And I think that's something I felt in this show, 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:32.479 was that level of self confidence where I can go 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.080 out on stage and say it's going to be okay. 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:38.279 I'm doing something that I've never done before. I've never 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.240 danced with a partner before, I've never danced or in before. 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.320 I've never had to grab someone and walk around like that, 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:46.919 and you know, in front of TV cameras and millions 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:50.279 of people at home, so to have that confidence be 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.520 instilled in me and to know that I did it well, 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:55.800 that is an amazing thing. It's kind of life changing, 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.000 it really is, because now I can approach anything that 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.520 I do with that level of confidence and knowing I'm 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:01.560 gonna be okay at this. 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:02.640 I know what I'm doing. 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:06.320 I've prepared, That's the main thing I've prepared and that's 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:07.440 going to help me through this. 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.239 So yeah, like I said, it's kind of life changing 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:10.640 in your way. 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.240 I love this for you. I mean, we all think 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.880 you know human nature. We've grown up with you guys, 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.240 so we just assumed that you guys have been doing 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.800 this for so long you'd be confident, maybe even a 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.920 little bit arrogant. But this has really shown you that 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:25.800 you have this inside you and you can do something 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:27.000 like this, which is powerful. 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:27.559 Yeah. 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:29.120 And I think being a part of a group with 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.920 three other guys, there's always been that protection around me 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.960 and around the other three guys as well of knowing 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:36.960 that there's three other people on stage that have got 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.080 your back when you're out there performing a solo or 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:42.360 a lead line, as you've always got that help and support. 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:45.560 So taking that away and it's just me I mean 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:48.440 I had Ashley, who was the most amazing partner, like 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.880 incredible dancing and incredible teacher. She brought out so much 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:54.040 in me as well. She had so much support for 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:56.400 me and taught me perfectly. She couldn't have taught me 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.240 any better than she did, And I think we really 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.360 clicked as a cup. You could tell that between us 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:04.520 we had a really special bond straight away and we 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.760 just loved what we were doing. So having her there 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.360 supporting me as I was kind of out there on 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.280 you know, I guess solo without the other three guys 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:15.680 that I think that's the main part that has changed 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.200 me so much in knowing that if I don't that 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.960 I don't need support when. 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:24.480 I'm on stage, I'm good enough as me. Yeh? Does 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:26.320 that make sense? And I'm not saying I'm not in 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:27.640 any way saying oh I don't. 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:29.280 Need the other three guys, because when it comes to 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:32.000 human nature, that's what we are. We're four guys putting 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:33.920 each other on stage and that's always going to be 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:35.880 that way. But when I'm out on stage without them, 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.439 I know that what I've got is still strong enough. 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.280 This isn't your Robbie Williams moment where you announce that 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:42.120 you're going solo. 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:43.520 Absolutely. 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:46.880 I do have some solo shows coming up that I'm 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.280 doing that start in September and go through to early 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.360 next year, and I can't wait to do those shows. 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.440 They're going to be really exciting. But that for me 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.120 is branching out and still having Human Nature as a 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.960 very much an ongoing concern. I'm actually the guys are 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.160 out here again next week and we're all together touring 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:02.760 for two weeks, so can't wait for. 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:03.280 That as well. 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:07.320 Was it true that your manager suggested that all of 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:10.400 the Human Nature boys took part in the competition and 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.760 competed against each other? Have I mean, sometimes these things 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:14.640 happen behind the sides. 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:17.839 Is that talent doesn't know? That's brand new? I didn't 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:19.679 know that. Is that true? Well? 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.320 I heard that your your manager is a female. She's 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:25.280 a woman, is Jim. Yeah, So she was asked, you know, 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.880 for a time check, availability check, which happens for these 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:32.520 sorts of shows, and she said, I want all the 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.000 boys to do it separately and compete against each other. 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:36.360 Wouldn't that be fun? 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.800 That's an explosive of that this, I guess. Yeah, I mean, 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.439 if you actually haven't heard that. I don't know. Yeah, 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:46.320 maybe she did. 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.960 I guess that's those backroom discussions that the actual performer 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.679 doesn't hear about. That's like, I'll leave that to the manager. 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:54.720 So I'm not sure what discussion she had. If that 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:56.559 was one of them, that would would be really interesting, 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:57.000 wouldn't it. 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:58.880 Yeah, put the phone call in and be like, is 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.280 this guy that I did a podcas with crazy? Or 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:02.800 is there some triff Jim? 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:04.040 What's going on now? 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:08.000 Funnily enough, that would be be a strange one because, 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:12.080 like I said before, the backstage feeling was very much 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.320 there was no competition amongst any of the competitors. Backstage, 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:17.760 it was all about putting on a great show together 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.240 and being proud of what we've done. So if you 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:22.320 put the four of us in the mix, I guess 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.960 we've always supported each other backstage before we go on 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.720 any show, it's always been us as a team. So 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.440 to go out there as four separate performers, it would 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.560 be a really interesting thing. Would we approach it as 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:36.480 we're still together even though we're dancing separately, or would 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:37.800 we be competitive with each other? 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.800 It's wow, that's really It would have been really interesting. 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:42.400 I think it would have been really interesting to see 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:45.480 that happen. And I did hear that the conversations were 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:48.880 what a fantastic idea. We would love that, But then 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:52.280 it would just become sort of the human nature addition 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:54.520 of Dancing with the stars. So I think that. 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.680 Maybe that is next Dancing the Stars, the human nature edition. 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.680 We were up against the wig On family feud once. 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:03.760 Oh yeah, yeah, maybe. 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.679 What if we're Yeah, we won, which was good, but 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:08.719 imagine that, like if you had like the four of 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:10.880 us and then you had the four Wiggles and that 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.000 was your thing, the dancing with the stars, the human 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:14.560 nature and versus the Wiggles. 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:17.880 I don't know why, but I think this sounds so exciting, 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:20.920 and if anyone's listening to this, make that happen. 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:23.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah, go on Human Nature and the Wiggles. 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:28.160 How different was this kind of dancing? And I'd really 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.719 appreciated you in your final dance doing some of those 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:33.559 signature moves that we'd seen from Human Nature. It was 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.560 sort of pulling a story together. But how different is 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:40.040 learning this kind of dance compared to that choreography that 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:41.560 you would have been learning. 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:42.199 Over the years. 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:46.520 Got way way different, like more different than I even expected. 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:49.640 I thought going into this that the experience of knowing 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:52.160 well the pop dancing that do with human nature and 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:54.439 the boy band stuff and then the motown things. I 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.360 knew that I would learn the steps quickly, and I 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:59.920 knew that I had that sense of rhythm, but I 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.920 I didn't realize just how small a part of borroom 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:06.360 dancing those two things are. It's like, ninety percent of 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.120 borroo dancing is about your posture and your positioning and 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:13.120 your attitude in the dance, and so that was something 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:16.200 brand new and quite alien. And so I think I 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:18.920 learned very very quickly that the experience I had didn't 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.920 really help much. And I equate it to if you 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:26.760 asked a pop singer, if you asked someone like Britney 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:30.080 Spears to go out and sing an opera song. 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:31.560 Yeah, sure she's going to. 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:33.199 Get the melody and the lyrics right, but it's not 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:34.719 going to sound like an opera song. 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:36.840 No. No, I think you're right. I mean it is 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:39.040 very true that, and I think that's why you can 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.560 have Paulini, and we can have you. We can have people, 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:43.800 and Christy will and Brown, we know we can have 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:47.440 people who have experience with stage, but it's still other 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:50.480 world to be able to put something like this which 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.680 is so complex and completely out of your warehouse just 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:55.120 as much as anyone else. 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:55.360 That's right. 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:59.040 And even someone like Virginia Gay who came into the 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:00.920 competition going, you know, I can't dance. 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:02.439 Yeah, I cannot dance. 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:05.680 And but then the dancing that she did, oh my god, 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:08.240 she knows how to sell it. She is a born 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:11.920 show person absolutely and knows how to get out there 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:16.040 and perform. So the dance steps, whether they were complicated 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:19.640 or simple, or difficult or easy for her, that actually, 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:20.760 in the end didn't matter. 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:22.839 As much as just how good a show she put on. 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:24.320 Her and her partner Ian. 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.199 They were so perfectly suited, and she said, looked amazing. 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:28.520 They really did so much. 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:30.560 I heard that she ran away with her dress as well. 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.120 She was so she loved that outfit so much. She 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:35.160 was like, I'm sexy, and she was like, I said, 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:36.280 I'm taking you home with me. 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:39.480 Yeah, I probably got it out that, yeah, run away 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:39.720 with it. 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.440 No, I love Virginities And like I said, she's a 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.120 born performer, and she did, goingtous so brilliantly. 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:46.240 Yeah, you were. 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.960 The only bloke left in the competition for the finale, 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:52.240 which is quite unachievement. But this is I want to 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.400 unpack this thing with you because I think it's quite interesting. 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:58.280 Do you think that men often have less rhythm than women? 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.800 Or is it a confidence thing? Why do you think 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.079 that you were the only male left in the competition. 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:08.760 I think men sometimes they have to break through an awkwardness, 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.280 and that's something I guess it's not a generational thing, 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.920 but what I like, an innate thing that they still 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:18.200 Maybe people are slowly starting to break out with that 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:20.560 gender fluidity that you know a lot of gen zs 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:23.040 and everything. Now they're just so comfortable with being gender 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:26.720 fluid and talking about that, you know, and getting rid 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:29.720 of those stereotypes, which I think is amazing. 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.240 I think for people my age and. 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:35.120 Maybe up, like from maybe thirty and up, it's still 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:38.000 there is that innate sense of boys don't dance. 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.040 I was thinking about this quite a bit because I 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.520 was watching you throughout the whole season, and I'm thinking, 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.400 do straight men have an issue in twenty twenty three 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.640 about worrying that they're looking camp and that there's that 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:52.880 connotation of looking camp? And maybe being gay. I don't 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:54.480 know is a native. 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.280 Yeah, I think there's probably is still that little bit 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.280 of discomfort. And I'm not saying that any of the 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.760 competitors in the show had that heads, but it's it's 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:06.680 something almost innate. I think that it's something that men 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:10.160 do have to break through at times. Is that that 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:12.760 feeling of is this masculine enough? 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.640 Is what I'm doing? Is it emasculating in any way? 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:18.960 And I'm here to tell you it's absolutely not, because 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.560 I mean, let's be honest, I was pressed up against 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:26.160 a beautiful female for eight weeks and really there's nothing. 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:27.760 I know where you're going with this, you know, I. 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:30.680 Think're masculating about that in the slightest. 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:32.600 So she looked good, she looked good. 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:37.280 Amazing, actually was amazing, And you know the experience of 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.840 that was it was just pure joy, It really was. 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:41.760 And I think that if there were any men out 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:45.400 there watching the show hopefully, I mean, look at someone 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:49.920 like James, who's like the most seriously like masculine, look 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.880 like he's ripped, like you wouldn't believe he's he's so 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.960 he's an elite athlete. You don't get more masculine than 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.480 someone like James maguson who can get out there and 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:02.360 do these beautiful war wltz's with Natalie and look amazing 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.600 doing it. He looked fantastic, and he was wearing these 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:08.640 outfits that were very showy, sparkly, you know, bright red 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:10.800 and showing off his muscles and everything like that, and 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:12.000 he looked amazing. 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.760 There was nothing feminine about it at all. 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:18.520 It was just he looked so powerful because he was 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:20.840 quite graceful, and he did it so well. So if 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:22.960 there's any men out there that are listening now thinking, 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:24.160 oh no, I could never do that. 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:25.000 It's not my thing. 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.800 You know, it's too girly for me, Oh bullshit, get 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:29.880 out there and do it. It's just amazing. 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:32.200 I thought with you, though, Phil, this is what was 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.600 so impressive about it was that I watched you give 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.200 yourself up to it like and that was kind of 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.320 why to me you got as far as you did 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.440 in the competition. Yes, you probably took on some moves 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:44.680 that were probably not that familiar to you, but your 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:49.240 accessibility of that, you still looked like a masculine man, 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.360 do you know what I mean? It's could you could 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:52.720 have easily been like, oh, I don't know if I 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.440 feel comfortable doing this because I might be perceived that way, 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:59.040 but you went for it, and you still always looked. 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:01.080 I don't know why I keep saying this, but like 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:03.440 you still look masculine, and who cares if we look 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:04.480 masculine or feminine? 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:05.360 You know what I exactly? 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:07.720 I think that I was lucky enough with me performing 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:10.080 with human nature from being so young. 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.000 You know, it started when I was fifteen years old. 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:15.880 That whole thing of masculine feminine disappeared for me at 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.359 a very early age because we were up. We were 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:20.800 up performing and dancing on stage when we were fifteen 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:23.399 sixteen years old during a time when we were at 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.760