1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Last week on Friday, we did get contacted by a 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: couple of people who had heard our next guest during 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: an interview on another radio station on the ABC and look, 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: I don't usually follow what others are doing, but I'd 5 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: had a bit of a listen to that interview and 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: I thought, this is something that we definitely need to 7 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: talk about. This is a bloke that we definitely need 8 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: to get on the show because there has been so 9 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: much discussion about crime and the different issues that we're 10 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: seeing in Darwin, and it seems although we've had quite 11 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: a nice weekend, there's been minimal crime, but the concerns 12 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: have been causing a real sense of unease across the 13 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: Northern Territory. And joining me on the line right now 14 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: is a well known Territorian who's using his vice voice, 15 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: I should say in a different way. He's urging tribal 16 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: group leaders to take action to put a stop to 17 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: the violent crime that we are seeing in Darwin. He 18 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: is a tee Wee man and his name is Jeffrey Simon. 19 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: You'll also know him as Yellow from Teewee Island Band 20 00:00:59,280 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: B two. 21 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: A good morning to your Yellow. 22 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 3: Hey, good morning Katy, and good morning listens. 23 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: Mate, thanks so much for your time this morning. It 24 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: is wonderful to have you on the show. Why have 25 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: you decided to stand up and use your voice to 26 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: really urge some action on some of the terrible things 27 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: that we are seeing when it comes to crime in 28 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: the territory. 29 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 3: I guess the separator put it, Katie is I'm very embarrassed. Embarrassed. 30 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 3: I'm very embarrassed about my people coming in and darn 31 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 3: and acting silly. So I just want to pour it 32 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 3: out and yeah, do it the right waytty much, but 33 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 3: also not beat around the bush. 34 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: I love that, you know. 35 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: I think that at the end of the day, you 36 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: can't beat around the bush when this kind of thing 37 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: is happening. And some of what we have been seeing 38 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: has has been really bad behavior, has Nash. 39 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, look absolutely. I mean I can only speak and 40 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 3: belt for my people, the TV Island people and the 41 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 3: TVs so respecting cultural dynamics, cultural boundaries, however, I can say, look, 42 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 3: we do have a drinking problem. There's there's no way too, 43 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: you know. So it's look, you can hear to my 44 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 3: voice and a bit dumb, a bit, you know, I'm 45 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 3: a bit nervous, but I'm also you know, very passionate 46 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 3: about you know, you know everyone, not not only just 47 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 3: my people, but the drug and autcoholic issues in and 48 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 3: around Darwin is just a complete, complete Embarrassment's gone too far. 49 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: But I can hear the nerve in your voice that 50 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: I can actually hear the emotion in your voice because 51 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: you you're standing up and you're saying that it's not okay, 52 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: and you're, you know, like you're doing it for your community. 53 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: And I would imagine that you're doing. 54 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: It for your kids and for the young ones that 55 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: are in the community that you want to say it's 56 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: that's not the kind of behavior that we want. 57 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, look absolutely so. Look I'm the last two stabbings 58 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 3: in Darwin, you know, ended up in murder. So the 59 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 3: last two corporates of that, we're young TV men. What's 60 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 3: the solution, I don't know, send them back home. But 61 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 3: then again, you know, the communities are not in a 62 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 3: good shape as well Paradise, but there's a lot happening 63 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 3: in Paradise. I mean, the tiv Islands have got more 64 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 3: drama than Home and away there it's you. 65 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: Know, it's I laugh, but it's not funny. 66 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: It's actually bloody terrible, you know, to think that that 67 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: is going on. 68 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: I mean, do you think do you think there needs. 69 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: To be more of that on country and cultural sort 70 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: of learnings and that some of those types of programs 71 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: could be the answer. 72 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look well, programs come and go on board of 73 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 3: bread and community lived. All my life I've said, programs 74 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 3: from the government come and go. What what I've seen now, 75 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 3: which is a trend, is that these gatekeepers of our culture, 76 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 3: the elders of the Tivy Islands, holding the culture to 77 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 3: too close to themselves and not sharing it and not 78 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 3: teaching it at schools or you know, ceremonies and stuff 79 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 3: like that. So this is a call to our elders. 80 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: They need to step up. We need we need leaders, 81 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 3: and leaders need to get along. Our leaders back home 82 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,239 Speaker 3: I'm arguing with each other, and when they don't get along, 83 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 3: the community suffers. So this is what I've seen, and 84 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 3: it's a common trend. And if you're if you're a 85 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 3: person that stands up, but guess what, there's a target 86 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 3: on your back to shut you up. And I'm not 87 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 3: that kind of person because I'll keep talking and try 88 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 3: and at least ignite change somewhere. 89 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: May do you worry there is going to be a 90 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: target on your back because you are standing up and 91 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: you're you're calling it. 92 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 2: Like it is. 93 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, Katie, I've had a tough life growing up, 94 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 3: so nothing doesn't really phase Now. I'm forty one. I've 95 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 3: seen both sides of the law. I've been the prison twice. 96 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 3: I've learned the hard way to come out of you know, 97 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: how to break the cycle. But also, you know, I've 98 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 3: had time to where I re and I went back, 99 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 3: and you know, I've sort of worked out that I 100 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 3: have a good insight, whether it be in the prisons, 101 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 3: in the community, on the streets, you know, working with 102 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 3: stakeholders and stuff like that. So this is the time 103 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 3: where people like myself and others we need to stand 104 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 3: up and call this for what it is. We are 105 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 3: pissing and shitting on the streets. We are singing ancient 106 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 3: song lines that have been left behind for us from 107 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 3: our ancestors. We use them song lines were singing the 108 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 3: streets to bussing in the streets, grab that money, go 109 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 3: to the pub, get drunk, akkerfool. That's got to stop. 110 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 2: So Yellow, what changed in your life? 111 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: Mate? You said that you know that you like you 112 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: have been in prison, and that you know that that 113 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: you are that you've learned, you know, like what is 114 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: acceptable and what is good behavior, and you've obviously used 115 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: your life experience to get there. 116 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 2: What sort of changed in your life? 117 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: And do you think that any of those learnings can 118 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: you know it can be utilized to try to get 119 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: some better decisions made for us in the territory. 120 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 3: Well, look, kat, I've said I haven't got the answer. However, 121 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 3: I've got the experience real life, you know, real world 122 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 3: experience that that tells me that this cycle is at 123 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 3: balling point. What are we going to do? I remember 124 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 3: a few years ago John Howard threw the Northern Territory 125 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 3: into intervention. Now we're seeing a lot more bad stuff happening. 126 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 3: Now do we need an intervention? I don't know, but 127 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 3: we need some sort of action by our indigenous leaders. 128 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 3: We can't be pointing at the government for funding and 129 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 3: asking for more money. That's got to stop. We have 130 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 3: This is a black Father to Black Fallow conversation. We 131 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: need to tell our mob stop acting silly in the street, 132 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: stop being embarrassing. We don't see the Chinese or the 133 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 3: Italians or the Greeks or any other race carrying on 134 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 3: the way we carry on. What's going on? We need 135 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 3: to stop it. 136 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's a sad like, it's a sad situation, 137 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: and you're spot on. It needs to stop. And we're 138 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: such like the thing is about the territories. We are 139 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: such a multicultural place where you know, where everybody does 140 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: accept and love each other's culture. And so it's actually 141 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: really sad the way that things are at this point 142 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: in time. 143 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I feel sorry for you know, the victims of crimes, 144 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 3: you know, the hard working Northern territoridents that have you know, 145 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: they've got a beautiful ower, so beautiful, a beautiful car. 146 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 3: Someone comes along stills that actually absolutely fool of themselves 147 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 3: carry on social media. I mean, that's that's that's not on. 148 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 3: That's that's not our culture. We come from the old, 149 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 3: oldest continuous culture on the planet. Yet we're acting very 150 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 3: very immature about it. Our young people are crying out 151 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: for love that you know that they're in crisis. Our 152 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 3: young people need help. So this is a call for 153 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 3: us to stand up, have a black fire, black while conversation. 154 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 3: Let's look at this communities, look who's coming into town 155 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 3: and running which tribe is that. Let's work with that tribe, 156 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 3: look at that community and say what is not working 157 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 3: here and what is working now. We can't throw a 158 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 3: blanket on all Indigenous communities case by case. 159 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: Yeall, mate, I really appreciate you having a chat to 160 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: me this morning. Before I do let you go. Are 161 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: you planning on sort of having a discussion with the government, 162 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: or with the land councils, or with any community leaders 163 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: to try and make that change? Like I think it's 164 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: I reckon, it's really brave of you standing up and 165 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: telling it like it is and being really honest about it. 166 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: Are you planning on sort of having those conversations with 167 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: any of those people that are in these decision making 168 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: sort of jobs. 169 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Katie, myself and James S. Grimjaw, we run 170 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 3: a business called Code Black Records. It's a therapeutic record 171 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 3: label where we encourage client saw anyone that has and 172 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 3: an issue that they want to raise. We can turn 173 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 3: that story into lyrics, turn that turn that lyrics into music. 174 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 3: That music ends up becoming, you know, therapeutic healing for 175 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 3: the listeners. So, Mate, I thing on offer, but I'm 176 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 3: having a conversation with leaders. I mean, we can talk 177 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 3: about it, but we need action. 178 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: Now, you spot on, I'd love to have. 179 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: I'd love to have Did you say it was James 180 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: scrimjaw Yeah, James, Mate. Love to have you both in 181 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: the studio one day for more of a discussion. I 182 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: really appreciate you coming on this morning. I like I say, 183 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: I think it's really admirable standing up and having your 184 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: voice heard, even when people don't like. Some of them 185 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: will love what you've got to say. Some of them 186 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: won't like what you've got to say. But I think 187 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: it's really you should be really proud of yourself standing 188 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: up and speaking that honest. 189 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 3: Truth as Gutty. Thanks for giving me the platform readers. 190 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: Thanks mate, I really appreciate it.