WEBVTT - Conquering ACNE + body positivity chat with with The Unrefined 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.160 Hi, and welcome to the Rise and Conquer Podcast. I'm 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:17.520 your host, Georgie Stevenson. I'm a lawyer, tend health coach, 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:22.439 social media influencer, wife and dogmam. On the Rise and 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:28.080 Conquer Podcast, we dive deep into all things mindset, habits, career, health, 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:31.920 relationships and more. This is a podcast for women who 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:34.800 want to rise up to be the best version of themselves, 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.360 who have big dreams in who are willing to put 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:39.600 in the work to get there. I want to bring 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:43.360 you the tools and actionable steps to feel confident in yourself, 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:48.479 inspired to take bold action, and motivated to conquer your goals. 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.000 Are you with me? Your friends? Let's Rise and Conquer. 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:05.119 Hi, and welcome back to the Rise and Kunker podcast. 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:08.400 Today we are chatting to Nicholas Rugby, who is also 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:12.399 known as the Unrefined on Instagram. Nicholas started a sugar free, 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:15.840 full fat blog in twenty fourteen which had their desire 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:19.240 to inform, nourish and empower people to put their health first. 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:23.520 Since then, Nikola has expanded to encompass two brands, including 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:28.440 natty Boost, a healthy low sugar granola and f Acne, 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:34.480 an online educational ACNE program. And community with health professionals. Today, 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.399 we are chatting about all things acne, including what are 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:41.640 the most common factors if acne face maps are accurate, 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:46.680 Nick's go to supplements for healthy glowing skin, what solutions 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:49.760 there are for acne scars. Plus we chat about our 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:53.440 go to practices when we aren't feeling that comfortable in 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:56.040 our own skin. I am so excited to share this 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:56.800 episode with you. 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:01.880 Hi Nikola, Welcome to the show. Hi Georgie, thanks for 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:05.880 having me no problem. So I'm very excited for this interview. 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:10.080 As you know, I have had previous issues with my 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:13.720 skin and acne and all that sort of thing, and 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:18.120 I love what you're doing in that sort of acting positivity, 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:21.480 community and space. I'm very excited for this. But before 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:25.840 we get into all about acne and I pick your 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.800 brain about that, I want to ask you what is 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:32.359 something big or small that you are rising up and 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:33.639 conquering this week? 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.040 This week I am getting all of my health professionals 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:41.160 together to do my next programs. So that's probably the 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.920 biggest thing on my agenda and it is probably taking 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.399 the most my energy, but all good energy, but yeah, 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:48.799 that would be it. T It's a gut skin program, 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.240 which I think we'll discuss at the very end. But yeah, 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:52.640 that's my energy this week. 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:57.639 Wow. And so I understand with the programs you have 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:01.760 how many different health professionals. So usually we have around 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:04.800 six or seven. But this one, because it's more of 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:08.919 a focused program on gut health and it's more specific, 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.400 we're doing three D health professionals, but we're doing probably 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:14.960 a lot more content. So I'm just trying to make 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.880 sure that I get the right people and getting all 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:20.600 of the different opinions because my programs are sort of 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.600 a little bit alternative and conventional, so we combine both 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:26.840 sort of modals, if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, so 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:30.600 you're making sure you're getting all sides of the story. Yes, yes, 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:35.920 so you would be very busy with that. So good that. Okay, 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:40.920 so let's get into some acne questions now. I put 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.920 out onto my Instagram that I was interviewing you and 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:48.640 basically if anyone had any questions about ACNE, I want 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:51.320 to go through just a couple of them. Like I said, 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:54.840 I have struggled with acne. It has popped up quite 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:57.480 a few times. And it wasn't when I was like 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:00.680 a teenager or anything like that it was in my 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:06.040 twenties and it wasn't very fun. So I definitely feel 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:09.120 when girls I want to talk about this issue and 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:11.200 explore it exactly. 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:13.480 Yeah, I was the same. Mind didn't come until really 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.040 my early twenties, and I was just so shocked, and 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:20.600 you even more embarrassed because you're sort of an adult 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:22.280 and all of your friends don't have it. So yeah, 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:23.279 I completely understand. 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:27.760 I know you're like, why is this happening? I know, Okay, 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:31.400 I want to talk about As Nichola said in her program, 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:35.920 she has a wide variety of health professionals, so with 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:40.200 this advice that she's given you, it is usually related 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:42.560 from one of them. But I just want to do 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:46.520 a quick disclaimer to say me and Nikola aren't qualified 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:48.920 health professionals or anything like this, So this is all 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:52.919 about our personal experience and the experience that Nikola has 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:54.839 from her ACNE program. 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:57.960 Yeah, so I'll do a disclaimer quickly. All of the 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:00.920 things that I'm telling you are in directly from a 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:04.440 health professionals. I'm not pulling random facts out of my mum. 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:08.320 These are all literally from my program, which is from 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.000 either an alternative or conventional health professionals. 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:17.000 So yeah, perfect, How important is skincare, like, you know, 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:22.359 creams and scrubs and skin treatments versus other factors like 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:26.440 stress and diet and I guess sort of internal factors 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:30.520 with curing or you know, getting rid of acne. 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.840 Yeah, exactly. So this is a pretty good question, and 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.520 we've experienced sort of a lot of great results in 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:41.920 the program from both, but mainly, although diet and stress 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.839 has been found to probably be the most significant influence 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:50.440 on reducing and managing acne, many have experienced additional benefits 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.440 just from maintaining consistent skin ca routine. So I think 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.400 a lot of people don't realize that you can sort 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.160 of you can over wash your skin, but you can 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.400 also underwash your skin, so it's good to just get 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:05.640 that healthy balance in between. We actually have a microbiome 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:07.960 on the surface of our skin, so it's a balance 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:10.160 of good and bad bacteria, just like you have in 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:14.560 your gut. And there's more sort of emerging evidence to 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.919 suggest that maintaining the good and bad bacterial community is 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:22.640 actually really important in managing acne. So basically, our skincare specialists, 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:26.080 we've got two paramedical skin care specialists and a nurse. 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.400 They suggest fining a skincare routine that's quite gentle on 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.800 the skin but also has sort of treatment options and 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.400 a chemical exfoliant for during the week to help turn 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.840 over the dead skin cells, and also a lightweight, fragrance 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:42.000 free moisturizer is really important as well. But as I said, 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.360 it is really important to sort of focus on the 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.840 internal I guess triggers that are happening and just use 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:51.040 skin care sort of a maintenance for your skin topically. 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:54.720 Yeah, you're kind of saying that they're both important in 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:58.560 certain ways. Yeah, exactly the other factors. I know, we 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:03.760 talked about stress and diet what other factors is it 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:08.560 usually that is the cause of acne. Yeah, So we're 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:10.680 finding the results of my program. A lot of the 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:14.720 women are finding that stress is literally the number one factor. 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:16.640 And I know that it's sort of really the first 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:18.400 thing you jump to and you're like, oh, yeah, I'm 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:20.400 just of course I'm stressed. But I think a lot 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.679 of people don't realize that even emotional stress and even 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.520 like dietary stress has a role and is stressed, you 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:31.040 know what I mean, Like, even something like emotionally being 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:33.559 unfulfilled that is a type of stress in your body, 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:36.680 and so I think identifying what is causing the stress 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:39.880 or the unhappiness in your life can actually really help 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.239 to reduce your court result and just managing and getting 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:44.880 on top of that unhappiness. I know that sounds really weird, 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.760 but a lot of the women were just feeling you know, 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:49.800 it might have been unfulfilled in like a small area 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.360 of their life, but it was really impacting. 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:55.640 Their stress levels. So that's a really interesting thing. I 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:57.200 think that is interesting. 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.520 That's actually like when I think back to the couple 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:05.720 of times that I got acne outbreaks, it was always 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:09.520 something happening in my life, like either if it was 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:13.040 stress on my body or emotional stress because of work 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.040 or something like that. But I definitely agree some sort 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.520 of stress in my life that was almost like it 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:19.679 was coming out of my skin. 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.120 Yeah, exactly. I was the same like when I was 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:24.880 going through a bit of a business meltdown, like I 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.320 wasn't sure what I wanted to do with my business 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:28.920 and all the rest of it. That's when I had 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.720 actually the worst breakout and I had really cistic acne 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.280 and I was doing everything like I was eating really well, 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:36.560 I was being really strict with my food and doing 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:38.720 all these things thinking that it was going to help, 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.079 but I really just needed to, you know, look deep 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.760 down within myself and figure out what was actually causing 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:47.560 that emotional stress and manage it. But other things that 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:51.560 have been found to link quite thoroughly with acne is 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:54.920 obviously hormones and also gut health. But both of these 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:58.880 things are influenced by stress and cortisols, so it's all 0:08:58.920 --> 0:08:59.920 pretty much linked. 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:06.840 So yeah, how fun. Okay, great, I want to talk 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:12.120 to you about the elimination diet to find out causes 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:16.800 for acne. I personally I didn't do the elimination diet, 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:20.080 but I did one of those tests where you go 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.439 to a natural path and they do a blood test 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:26.280 and then they tell you what foods are causing issues, 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:30.200 and for me, it was bananas and eggs, and I 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:33.840 actually took them out and noticed a significant difference in 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:38.160 my skin. So I definitely love that someone is asking this, 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:40.080 But what's your sort of view on that? 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:44.400 Yeah? So in the program, we have a dietitian, Marika Day. 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.640 She's really amazing because she's quite evidence based, so everything 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:51.600 that she provides the community is all based upon science 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:55.040 and research. But basically we found that diet is definitely 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:59.040 a contributor to acne, but isn't always consistent across individuals. 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.520 Like you're mentioning, you have certain triggers which won't be 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:04.160 the same to someone else. But we put together a 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.400 four week meal plan which is based upon the scientific 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.960 links between certain foods and acne. Because acne is an 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:17.000 inflammatory condition, certain foods like refined carbohydrates, saturated or transpats 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:21.000 and also dairy are really common in sort of increasing 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:25.720 that inflammation and ultimately inflammation in the skin. So yeah, 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.280 we do do an elimination diet, but it is supposed 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.920 to be for a short period of time just to 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:35.280 identify that individual's potential trigger foods and then you can 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:37.440 introduce them back in and you have to take notes 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:40.240 and make sure that you're really recording your symptoms and 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.640 ensuring that that is a trigger to your acne so 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.080 that you're not cutting out foods long term. 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:48.640 Yeah. Yeah, what is the sort of process with the 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:53.360 elimination diet once you've sort of found out your trigger foods? 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:54.560 What does that look like? 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.320 So basically, I mean, I'm going to use myself as 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:02.000 an example because dairy as a mass, it is a 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:04.360 bit of a trigger food for me, and you know, 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:06.240 that's a lot of the women in the program found 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.920 that after they did the acne reset they realized how 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:12.320 much dairy really did sort of correlate with their acne. 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:16.360 So from here onwards, like once you do the program, 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.920 it's more so just being aware that that food group 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.880 does trigger your acne, and you'd be surprised how much 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.439 that helps you manage your acne because you know that, 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:28.160 you know, if you're going to eat a heap of 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:32.000 dairy and potentially you're in an inflammatory state. So for instance, 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:34.400 if you are in a state of stress, so you 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:37.440 know you've got exams coming up, or you're just in 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:40.560 a stressful environment because of work or even emotional stress, 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.080 then your body is generally going to be more in 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.400 an inflammatory state. And that's the same as if you're 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.920 in you know, the last phase of your cycle. So 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.440 if you decide to go and eat a heap of 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:54.640 dairy when your body is in that inflammatory state, you're 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:57.560 actually going to probably have more of a chance of 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.520 presenting with acne than if you don't eat those foods, 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.439 you know what I mean. So it's really just understanding 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.120 your triggers and then working with them. Yes, you could 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.360 go and say I'm never gonna eatdairy again, but it's 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:11.320 not really realistic and it's not really sustainable because you know, 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:13.959 dairy is in a lot of foods. So for instance, 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:17.400 for me, I on the weekends, if I'm gonna go 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.160 and have drinks with my friends, I will have cheese 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.600 because I want cheese. If I get a pimple because 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:25.720 of it, I sort of know why. And it makes 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:27.800 you feel a bit better because you know, maybe you 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:30.280 ate something that you shouldn't have with the triggers acne 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:34.040 and you. But yeah, it's more so just managing what 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:38.000 you know and doing the best for you. So trying 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.080 to avoid dairy where possible, but if you eat it, 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:40.959 it's not the end of the world. 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:44.240 Yeah, Yeah, I love that. That's the thing. When I 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:48.720 found out that eggs and bananas really weren't great for me, 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:53.240 I cut them out for probably three months. But then 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:57.080 after my acne had kind of like that sort of 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:01.720 breakout stage had kind of passed. Yeah, I found that 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:05.160 I could slowly sort of introduce those foods and I 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:08.640 wasn't getting that sort of reaction like when, like you said, 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:10.199 it wasn't as inflame. 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:11.080 Yeah, exactly. 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:13.600 Now it's kind of about just you know, testing the 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:14.480 boundaries with that. 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:18.280 I tested way too much because I think I'm past 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:20.080 that period of like I went through a phase of 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:22.760 having cysts for like months a month, and now I 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:26.000 haven't had like a really big cyst for probably well 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.000 ever since I actually created the program, which is when 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:32.040 I literally will go and eat all this cheese and 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:34.160 I'm like waiting the next two days. I'm just like 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.199 sitting there every morning feeling my face like you know 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:38.199 when you wake up and you like pack your face 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:40.800 to see if you've had any more pimples. But it's 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.360 really different in everyone. And yeah, I think the stress 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:47.040 component definitely influences how you respond to foods as well. 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:51.080 Yeah, yeah, okay, awesome. I want to talk about I 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:55.160 don't know if I'm saying this right, but face acting maps. Yeah, 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:57.840 that myth? Are they accurate or a myth? 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:03.400 So it originated it's from ancient Chinese or Avetic principles. 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.040 I feel like we should just maybe explain to the audience. 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:10.520 So I'm talking about you know, when you get pimples, 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:12.720 you know on the bottom of your chin, and people 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:16.000 say that's hormonal. Is that kind of that's what I mean? 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.520 Hey, yeah, So the technique it claims to address the 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.920 root cause of spots by looking at your face. So 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.720 for instance, they'll say that if you get pimples on 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.960 your forehead, then it's most likely digestion, and then on 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:29.120 your I think the tops of your cheeks is lungs. 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:31.320 And then yet the bottom of your cheeks and your 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.960 neck is hormonal. And yeah, a lot of you know, 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:40.480 Chinese and Avetic guidelines use face mapping, but in terms 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:45.480 of the scientific evidence, there is actually no scientific evidence 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.840 to support it. But that said, you know, if you 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:52.120 are anecdotally like you know, I mean, I know personally 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.640 when I get a hormonal breakout, it is always on 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:58.000 my jawline and on my neck or on like the 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:02.000 bottom half of my cheeks. So whether that's a coincidence, 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:05.080 I don't know. But in terms of the science, unfortunately, 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:06.440 there's no like direct link. 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:10.280 Okay, interesting, very interesting. I've always done that, Like, yeah, 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:12.680 if I get pimples on my forehead, I'm like, oh, digestion. 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.520 I do it too, even though I'm like, cann You've 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.240 been told the science, but you know what science could evolve. 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:23.320 Yeah, I know there's heaps of things that science doesn't 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:30.920 necessarily know. But okay, so let's get into this juicy question. 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.880 And I can't wait to ask you this because I'm 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:35.960 definitely that person where I have a bit of an 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:38.760 opinion on this. I want to ask, who do you 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.560 recommend seeing for acne. The reason why I have a 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:45.120 bit of an opinion on this is because I saw 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.440 a doctor, I saw a dermatologist, I saw a natchure path. 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:50.800 I've been to acupunture, I've kind of done it all. 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:56.000 I've spent a lot of money, and certain practitioners just 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.280 didn't give me a lot of help or, like I guess, 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.400 sort of a dressing the root cause and really helping 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:07.160 me actually progress and pass the acne rather than just 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.600 sort of dealing with the topical or the symptoms or 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:12.520 what's happening now. If that makes sense. 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.720 Yeah, no, I agree. I mean obviously, because I have 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:19.280 all of these health professionals in my program, it's you know, 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:20.920 I've got to support all of them. 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:24.400 Yeah, I have. 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:26.440 Been to all of them, and I think they all 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:29.120 have their place, and I think it's really I hate 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:30.840 to say, but it is about the individual. But I'll 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:36.320 take my personal opinion I personally, because I've been to doctors, 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:37.880 and I think I'm a likened to say this. My 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:41.800 partner is obviously a doctor, a general practitioner, and I 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.320 definitely think that they have their place. For instance, if 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:46.640 you want to go on holidays, or you just want 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:48.680 to quick fix and you just don't want to do 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.560 the whole what's happening with my skin, which is completely fine. 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:53.520 If that's the way you want to go, Yes, you 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:55.480 can take anybody so, or you can get referred to 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.720 a dermatologist and go and acutain. That has helped many peoples, 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:01.920 particularly with confidence shoes. Like I'm not against that if 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:05.720 that's your choice, but I personally, I will not stop 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:07.840 until I know what the root cause of something is. 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:09.879 Like I want to know why my body's inflame, and 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:12.359 I think acne is telling you something. It's your body's 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.000 way of saying, hey, you're not doing something right by me. 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:19.800 Find the root cause. So I personally like acupuncture. We 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:24.040 obviously share the same acupuncture, yes I do, but I 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:28.720 also love naturopathy so natural medicine, and I love going 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.080 to dietitian as well. So I think having the blend 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.600 of like the science base, but also if you want 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:38.560 to take herbs, I definitely believe in herbs, and yes, 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:41.440 that's my opinion because they do look at you as 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.480 a whole, and they look at you holistically. They manage 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:46.480 like even going to a nature path really helps with 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:48.879 my stress levels because I know that someone's looking after me. 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:51.280 And it can be expensive, you know, but I think 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:52.960 it's you know, you got to take things with a 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:56.080 grain of salt and do your own research and yeah, 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:57.639 I guess trust you up. 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:00.760 Yeah, And this is giving you a quick little plug here. 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.880 This is why I love Nichola's programs so much, because 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.359 she has all these people in one place, so you 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:10.720 can sort of get a sort of gist of what 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:14.320 they're about. And like Nicholas said, I think it does. Definitely. 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:17.119 I think it's up to the person in regards to 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:21.240 what professional is going to benefit and help them the most. 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:25.080 I personally, much like Nikola, as you guys know or 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:30.399 you probably don't know, but I definitely beg into acupuncture 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.919 for my acne and also saw a naturopath and a 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:36.720 diet titian which really helps. So definitely more on the 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:41.119 natural side, but also a dermatologist and doctor, like she said, 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:44.560 are going to be amazing for that sort of side 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.480 of things. But what I do love about your program 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:49.679 is you've got everyone there so you don't have to 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:53.000 spend all the money like I did, and you can 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.639 sort of see and then go to the health professional 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:56.840 that really feels right for you. 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.800 Yeah, and another thing we do talk about is you 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:02.240 know when you go to a GP what to expect, 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.359 you know when to question, you know what they're saying, 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:07.479 because I think you know a lot of gps can 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.359 diagnose things straight away and label someone, for instance, with 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:13.960 like PCOS or endometriosis, not indomatriosis because you have to 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.520 have like a test. But PCOS is becoming more and 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:21.000 more commonly diagnosed, and you know there is a way 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:24.520 that it's diagnosed and sometimes it's over diagnosed. So it's 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:26.800 just important to have I think, your own awareness of 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:29.239 what to expect when you go to a GP, what 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:31.520 you're sort of entitled to, and when you can go 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:32.600 and get a second opinion. 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:37.040 Yeah, perfect, Okay, cool. I want to talk to you 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:42.240 about the pill and acne. I had a question if 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:44.679 you should go on the pill to clear up acne. 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:47.000 What is your what is your thoughts on this? 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:55.560 Popping out all the controversial I know I would, well, yeah, see, 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:57.440 I've got my own personal opinion on this, but I'll 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.800 give you like the general one. And then firstly, my 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.320 opinion is I don't believe that you definitely need to 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:06.120 go on the pill for your skin. I've personally been 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.679 on about five different contraceptive pills and I was one 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:12.719 of the unlucky people that had adverse side effects. The 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:15.719 first one was amazing for light my boobs and clearing 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:17.760 my skin and everything, but then it gave me really 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:20.840 bad mental health issues. And then from there it was 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:24.280 just like, oh, some pills gave me acne. Some pills 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:26.600 just gave me malasma. There was just a lot of 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:30.200 side effects that I experienced. So that was my personal pinion, 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:33.399 which probably shapes my opinion today. But generally, the contraceptive 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:36.600 pill helps to alleviate acne by decreasing the amount of 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:39.840 androgens in the body and reducing the seven production, which 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:42.520 is obviously causing the acne. But I think there are 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:45.360 also certain contraceptive pills that can promote acne in some 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:48.880 individuals due to the different levels of the synthetic hormones. 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:53.760 I personally think every woman should really research the pill 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:57.399 and understand what exactly it is doing to your body 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:00.159 before making the decision to go on it, because it's 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:03.280 not something I know that sometimes doctors do just give 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:05.160 it to you straight away, like they'll say, oh, you've 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:08.560 got painful periods, here's a pill prescription, and you know, 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:10.720 once you're on that pill, sometimes it can be hard 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:12.960 to go off it because you're afraid of the symptoms 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:14.480 that you're going to have when you go off it. 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:16.720 So you're on for you know, seven to ten years, 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:20.080 some women more. But I really want to give or 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:23.040 share an analogy from the Natch Path in our program 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.600 about the pill, just to give you an idea of 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:28.160 what it does so you can understand the long term 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:31.560 sort of effects. So basically, when you first go on 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:35.000 the pill, basically when you first ovulate or like your 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:38.800 first menstrual period, your petuitary gland is telling your ovaries 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:41.560 to release an egg and ovulate. So there's a signal 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:44.200