Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to the Rise and Conquer Podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: your host, Georgie Stevenson. I'm a lawyer, tend health coach,
Speaker 1: social media influencer, wife and dogmam. On the Rise and
Speaker 1: Conquer Podcast, we dive deep into all things mindset, habits, career, health,
Speaker 1: relationships and more. This is a podcast for women who
Speaker 1: want to rise up to be the best version of themselves,
Speaker 1: who have big dreams in who are willing to put
Speaker 1: in the work to get there. I want to bring
Speaker 1: you the tools and actionable steps to feel confident in yourself,
Speaker 1: inspired to take bold action, and motivated to conquer your goals.
Speaker 1: Are you with me? Your friends? Let's Rise and Conquer.
Speaker 2: Hi, and welcome back to the Rise and Kunker podcast.
Speaker 2: Today we are chatting to Nicholas Rugby, who is also
Speaker 2: known as the Unrefined on Instagram. Nicholas started a sugar free,
Speaker 2: full fat blog in twenty fourteen which had their desire
Speaker 2: to inform, nourish and empower people to put their health first.
Speaker 2: Since then, Nikola has expanded to encompass two brands, including
Speaker 2: natty Boost, a healthy low sugar granola and f Acne,
Speaker 2: an online educational ACNE program. And community with health professionals. Today,
Speaker 2: we are chatting about all things acne, including what are
Speaker 2: the most common factors if acne face maps are accurate,
Speaker 2: Nick's go to supplements for healthy glowing skin, what solutions
Speaker 2: there are for acne scars. Plus we chat about our
Speaker 2: go to practices when we aren't feeling that comfortable in
Speaker 2: our own skin. I am so excited to share this
Speaker 2: episode with you.
Speaker 1: Hi Nikola, Welcome to the show. Hi Georgie, thanks for
Speaker 1: having me no problem. So I'm very excited for this interview.
Speaker 1: As you know, I have had previous issues with my
Speaker 1: skin and acne and all that sort of thing, and
Speaker 1: I love what you're doing in that sort of acting positivity,
Speaker 1: community and space. I'm very excited for this. But before
Speaker 1: we get into all about acne and I pick your
Speaker 1: brain about that, I want to ask you what is
Speaker 1: something big or small that you are rising up and
Speaker 1: conquering this week?
Speaker 3: This week I am getting all of my health professionals
Speaker 3: together to do my next programs. So that's probably the
Speaker 3: biggest thing on my agenda and it is probably taking
Speaker 3: the most my energy, but all good energy, but yeah,
Speaker 3: that would be it. T It's a gut skin program,
Speaker 3: which I think we'll discuss at the very end. But yeah,
Speaker 3: that's my energy this week.
Speaker 1: Wow. And so I understand with the programs you have
Speaker 1: how many different health professionals. So usually we have around
Speaker 1: six or seven. But this one, because it's more of
Speaker 1: a focused program on gut health and it's more specific,
Speaker 1: we're doing three D health professionals, but we're doing probably
Speaker 1: a lot more content. So I'm just trying to make
Speaker 1: sure that I get the right people and getting all
Speaker 1: of the different opinions because my programs are sort of
Speaker 1: a little bit alternative and conventional, so we combine both
Speaker 1: sort of modals, if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you're making sure you're getting all sides of the story. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: so you would be very busy with that. So good that. Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's get into some acne questions now. I put
Speaker 1: out onto my Instagram that I was interviewing you and
Speaker 1: basically if anyone had any questions about ACNE, I want
Speaker 1: to go through just a couple of them. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I have struggled with acne. It has popped up quite
Speaker 1: a few times. And it wasn't when I was like
Speaker 1: a teenager or anything like that it was in my
Speaker 1: twenties and it wasn't very fun. So I definitely feel
Speaker 1: when girls I want to talk about this issue and
Speaker 1: explore it exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was the same. Mind didn't come until really
Speaker 3: my early twenties, and I was just so shocked, and
Speaker 3: you even more embarrassed because you're sort of an adult
Speaker 3: and all of your friends don't have it. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I completely understand.
Speaker 1: I know you're like, why is this happening? I know, Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about As Nichola said in her program,
Speaker 1: she has a wide variety of health professionals, so with
Speaker 1: this advice that she's given you, it is usually related
Speaker 1: from one of them. But I just want to do
Speaker 1: a quick disclaimer to say me and Nikola aren't qualified
Speaker 1: health professionals or anything like this, So this is all
Speaker 1: about our personal experience and the experience that Nikola has
Speaker 1: from her ACNE program.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'll do a disclaimer quickly. All of the
Speaker 3: things that I'm telling you are in directly from a
Speaker 3: health professionals. I'm not pulling random facts out of my mum.
Speaker 3: These are all literally from my program, which is from
Speaker 3: either an alternative or conventional health professionals.
Speaker 1: So yeah, perfect, How important is skincare, like, you know,
Speaker 1: creams and scrubs and skin treatments versus other factors like
Speaker 1: stress and diet and I guess sort of internal factors
Speaker 1: with curing or you know, getting rid of acne.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So this is a pretty good question, and
Speaker 3: we've experienced sort of a lot of great results in
Speaker 3: the program from both, but mainly, although diet and stress
Speaker 3: has been found to probably be the most significant influence
Speaker 3: on reducing and managing acne, many have experienced additional benefits
Speaker 3: just from maintaining consistent skin ca routine. So I think
Speaker 3: a lot of people don't realize that you can sort
Speaker 3: of you can over wash your skin, but you can
Speaker 3: also underwash your skin, so it's good to just get
Speaker 3: that healthy balance in between. We actually have a microbiome
Speaker 3: on the surface of our skin, so it's a balance
Speaker 3: of good and bad bacteria, just like you have in
Speaker 3: your gut. And there's more sort of emerging evidence to
Speaker 3: suggest that maintaining the good and bad bacterial community is
Speaker 3: actually really important in managing acne. So basically, our skincare specialists,
Speaker 3: we've got two paramedical skin care specialists and a nurse.
Speaker 3: They suggest fining a skincare routine that's quite gentle on
Speaker 3: the skin but also has sort of treatment options and
Speaker 3: a chemical exfoliant for during the week to help turn
Speaker 3: over the dead skin cells, and also a lightweight, fragrance
Speaker 3: free moisturizer is really important as well. But as I said,
Speaker 3: it is really important to sort of focus on the
Speaker 3: internal I guess triggers that are happening and just use
Speaker 3: skin care sort of a maintenance for your skin topically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're kind of saying that they're both important in
Speaker 1: certain ways. Yeah, exactly the other factors. I know, we
Speaker 1: talked about stress and diet what other factors is it
Speaker 1: usually that is the cause of acne. Yeah, So we're
Speaker 1: finding the results of my program. A lot of the
Speaker 1: women are finding that stress is literally the number one factor.
Speaker 1: And I know that it's sort of really the first
Speaker 1: thing you jump to and you're like, oh, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just of course I'm stressed. But I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't realize that even emotional stress and even
Speaker 1: like dietary stress has a role and is stressed, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, even something like emotionally being
Speaker 1: unfulfilled that is a type of stress in your body,
Speaker 1: and so I think identifying what is causing the stress
Speaker 1: or the unhappiness in your life can actually really help
Speaker 1: to reduce your court result and just managing and getting
Speaker 1: on top of that unhappiness. I know that sounds really weird,
Speaker 1: but a lot of the women were just feeling you know,
Speaker 1: it might have been unfulfilled in like a small area
Speaker 1: of their life, but it was really impacting.
Speaker 3: Their stress levels. So that's a really interesting thing. I
Speaker 3: think that is interesting.
Speaker 1: That's actually like when I think back to the couple
Speaker 1: of times that I got acne outbreaks, it was always
Speaker 1: something happening in my life, like either if it was
Speaker 1: stress on my body or emotional stress because of work
Speaker 1: or something like that. But I definitely agree some sort
Speaker 1: of stress in my life that was almost like it
Speaker 1: was coming out of my skin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. I was the same like when I was
Speaker 3: going through a bit of a business meltdown, like I
Speaker 3: wasn't sure what I wanted to do with my business
Speaker 3: and all the rest of it. That's when I had
Speaker 3: actually the worst breakout and I had really cistic acne
Speaker 3: and I was doing everything like I was eating really well,
Speaker 3: I was being really strict with my food and doing
Speaker 3: all these things thinking that it was going to help,
Speaker 3: but I really just needed to, you know, look deep
Speaker 3: down within myself and figure out what was actually causing
Speaker 3: that emotional stress and manage it. But other things that
Speaker 3: have been found to link quite thoroughly with acne is
Speaker 3: obviously hormones and also gut health. But both of these
Speaker 3: things are influenced by stress and cortisols, so it's all
Speaker 3: pretty much linked.
Speaker 1: So yeah, how fun. Okay, great, I want to talk
Speaker 1: to you about the elimination diet to find out causes
Speaker 1: for acne. I personally I didn't do the elimination diet,
Speaker 1: but I did one of those tests where you go
Speaker 1: to a natural path and they do a blood test
Speaker 1: and then they tell you what foods are causing issues,
Speaker 1: and for me, it was bananas and eggs, and I
Speaker 1: actually took them out and noticed a significant difference in
Speaker 1: my skin. So I definitely love that someone is asking this,
Speaker 1: But what's your sort of view on that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So in the program, we have a dietitian, Marika Day.
Speaker 3: She's really amazing because she's quite evidence based, so everything
Speaker 3: that she provides the community is all based upon science
Speaker 3: and research. But basically we found that diet is definitely
Speaker 3: a contributor to acne, but isn't always consistent across individuals.
Speaker 3: Like you're mentioning, you have certain triggers which won't be
Speaker 3: the same to someone else. But we put together a
Speaker 3: four week meal plan which is based upon the scientific
Speaker 3: links between certain foods and acne. Because acne is an
Speaker 3: inflammatory condition, certain foods like refined carbohydrates, saturated or transpats
Speaker 3: and also dairy are really common in sort of increasing
Speaker 3: that inflammation and ultimately inflammation in the skin. So yeah,
Speaker 3: we do do an elimination diet, but it is supposed
Speaker 3: to be for a short period of time just to
Speaker 3: identify that individual's potential trigger foods and then you can
Speaker 3: introduce them back in and you have to take notes
Speaker 3: and make sure that you're really recording your symptoms and
Speaker 3: ensuring that that is a trigger to your acne so
Speaker 3: that you're not cutting out foods long term.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, what is the sort of process with the
Speaker 1: elimination diet once you've sort of found out your trigger foods?
Speaker 1: What does that look like?
Speaker 3: So basically, I mean, I'm going to use myself as
Speaker 3: an example because dairy as a mass, it is a
Speaker 3: bit of a trigger food for me, and you know,
Speaker 3: that's a lot of the women in the program found
Speaker 3: that after they did the acne reset they realized how
Speaker 3: much dairy really did sort of correlate with their acne.
Speaker 3: So from here onwards, like once you do the program,
Speaker 3: it's more so just being aware that that food group
Speaker 3: does trigger your acne, and you'd be surprised how much
Speaker 3: that helps you manage your acne because you know that,
Speaker 3: you know, if you're going to eat a heap of
Speaker 3: dairy and potentially you're in an inflammatory state. So for instance,
Speaker 3: if you are in a state of stress, so you
Speaker 3: know you've got exams coming up, or you're just in
Speaker 3: a stressful environment because of work or even emotional stress,
Speaker 3: then your body is generally going to be more in
Speaker 3: an inflammatory state. And that's the same as if you're
Speaker 3: in you know, the last phase of your cycle. So
Speaker 3: if you decide to go and eat a heap of
Speaker 3: dairy when your body is in that inflammatory state, you're
Speaker 3: actually going to probably have more of a chance of
Speaker 3: presenting with acne than if you don't eat those foods,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So it's really just understanding
Speaker 3: your triggers and then working with them. Yes, you could
Speaker 3: go and say I'm never gonna eatdairy again, but it's
Speaker 3: not really realistic and it's not really sustainable because you know,
Speaker 3: dairy is in a lot of foods. So for instance,
Speaker 3: for me, I on the weekends, if I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: and have drinks with my friends, I will have cheese
Speaker 3: because I want cheese. If I get a pimple because
Speaker 3: of it, I sort of know why. And it makes
Speaker 3: you feel a bit better because you know, maybe you
Speaker 3: ate something that you shouldn't have with the triggers acne
Speaker 3: and you. But yeah, it's more so just managing what
Speaker 3: you know and doing the best for you. So trying
Speaker 3: to avoid dairy where possible, but if you eat it,
Speaker 3: it's not the end of the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I love that. That's the thing. When I
Speaker 1: found out that eggs and bananas really weren't great for me,
Speaker 1: I cut them out for probably three months. But then
Speaker 1: after my acne had kind of like that sort of
Speaker 1: breakout stage had kind of passed. Yeah, I found that
Speaker 1: I could slowly sort of introduce those foods and I
Speaker 1: wasn't getting that sort of reaction like when, like you said,
Speaker 1: it wasn't as inflame.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Now it's kind of about just you know, testing the
Speaker 1: boundaries with that.
Speaker 3: I tested way too much because I think I'm past
Speaker 3: that period of like I went through a phase of
Speaker 3: having cysts for like months a month, and now I
Speaker 3: haven't had like a really big cyst for probably well
Speaker 3: ever since I actually created the program, which is when
Speaker 3: I literally will go and eat all this cheese and
Speaker 3: I'm like waiting the next two days. I'm just like
Speaker 3: sitting there every morning feeling my face like you know
Speaker 3: when you wake up and you like pack your face
Speaker 3: to see if you've had any more pimples. But it's
Speaker 3: really different in everyone. And yeah, I think the stress
Speaker 3: component definitely influences how you respond to foods as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, awesome. I want to talk about I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm saying this right, but face acting maps. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that myth? Are they accurate or a myth?
Speaker 3: So it originated it's from ancient Chinese or Avetic principles.
Speaker 1: I feel like we should just maybe explain to the audience.
Speaker 1: So I'm talking about you know, when you get pimples,
Speaker 1: you know on the bottom of your chin, and people
Speaker 1: say that's hormonal. Is that kind of that's what I mean?
Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, So the technique it claims to address the
Speaker 3: root cause of spots by looking at your face. So
Speaker 3: for instance, they'll say that if you get pimples on
Speaker 3: your forehead, then it's most likely digestion, and then on
Speaker 3: your I think the tops of your cheeks is lungs.
Speaker 3: And then yet the bottom of your cheeks and your
Speaker 3: neck is hormonal. And yeah, a lot of you know,
Speaker 3: Chinese and Avetic guidelines use face mapping, but in terms
Speaker 3: of the scientific evidence, there is actually no scientific evidence
Speaker 3: to support it. But that said, you know, if you
Speaker 3: are anecdotally like you know, I mean, I know personally
Speaker 3: when I get a hormonal breakout, it is always on
Speaker 3: my jawline and on my neck or on like the
Speaker 3: bottom half of my cheeks. So whether that's a coincidence,
Speaker 3: I don't know. But in terms of the science, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: there's no like direct link.
Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, very interesting. I've always done that, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if I get pimples on my forehead, I'm like, oh, digestion.
Speaker 3: I do it too, even though I'm like, cann You've
Speaker 3: been told the science, but you know what science could evolve.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know there's heaps of things that science doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily know. But okay, so let's get into this juicy question.
Speaker 1: And I can't wait to ask you this because I'm
Speaker 1: definitely that person where I have a bit of an
Speaker 1: opinion on this. I want to ask, who do you
Speaker 1: recommend seeing for acne. The reason why I have a
Speaker 1: bit of an opinion on this is because I saw
Speaker 1: a doctor, I saw a dermatologist, I saw a natchure path.
Speaker 1: I've been to acupunture, I've kind of done it all.
Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of money, and certain practitioners just
Speaker 1: didn't give me a lot of help or, like I guess,
Speaker 1: sort of a dressing the root cause and really helping
Speaker 1: me actually progress and pass the acne rather than just
Speaker 1: sort of dealing with the topical or the symptoms or
Speaker 1: what's happening now. If that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree. I mean obviously, because I have
Speaker 3: all of these health professionals in my program, it's you know,
Speaker 3: I've got to support all of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have.
Speaker 3: Been to all of them, and I think they all
Speaker 3: have their place, and I think it's really I hate
Speaker 3: to say, but it is about the individual. But I'll
Speaker 3: take my personal opinion I personally, because I've been to doctors,
Speaker 3: and I think I'm a likened to say this. My
Speaker 3: partner is obviously a doctor, a general practitioner, and I
Speaker 3: definitely think that they have their place. For instance, if
Speaker 3: you want to go on holidays, or you just want
Speaker 3: to quick fix and you just don't want to do
Speaker 3: the whole what's happening with my skin, which is completely fine.
Speaker 3: If that's the way you want to go, Yes, you
Speaker 3: can take anybody so, or you can get referred to
Speaker 3: a dermatologist and go and acutain. That has helped many peoples,
Speaker 3: particularly with confidence shoes. Like I'm not against that if
Speaker 3: that's your choice, but I personally, I will not stop
Speaker 3: until I know what the root cause of something is.
Speaker 3: Like I want to know why my body's inflame, and
Speaker 3: I think acne is telling you something. It's your body's
Speaker 3: way of saying, hey, you're not doing something right by me.
Speaker 3: Find the root cause. So I personally like acupuncture. We
Speaker 3: obviously share the same acupuncture, yes I do, but I
Speaker 3: also love naturopathy so natural medicine, and I love going
Speaker 3: to dietitian as well. So I think having the blend
Speaker 3: of like the science base, but also if you want
Speaker 3: to take herbs, I definitely believe in herbs, and yes,
Speaker 3: that's my opinion because they do look at you as
Speaker 3: a whole, and they look at you holistically. They manage
Speaker 3: like even going to a nature path really helps with
Speaker 3: my stress levels because I know that someone's looking after me.
Speaker 3: And it can be expensive, you know, but I think
Speaker 3: it's you know, you got to take things with a
Speaker 3: grain of salt and do your own research and yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess trust you up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And this is giving you a quick little plug here.
Speaker 1: This is why I love Nichola's programs so much, because
Speaker 1: she has all these people in one place, so you
Speaker 1: can sort of get a sort of gist of what
Speaker 1: they're about. And like Nicholas said, I think it does. Definitely.
Speaker 1: I think it's up to the person in regards to
Speaker 1: what professional is going to benefit and help them the most.
Speaker 1: I personally, much like Nikola, as you guys know or
Speaker 1: you probably don't know, but I definitely beg into acupuncture
Speaker 1: for my acne and also saw a naturopath and a
Speaker 1: diet titian which really helps. So definitely more on the
Speaker 1: natural side, but also a dermatologist and doctor, like she said,
Speaker 1: are going to be amazing for that sort of side
Speaker 1: of things. But what I do love about your program
Speaker 1: is you've got everyone there so you don't have to
Speaker 1: spend all the money like I did, and you can
Speaker 1: sort of see and then go to the health professional
Speaker 1: that really feels right for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and another thing we do talk about is you
Speaker 3: know when you go to a GP what to expect,
Speaker 3: you know when to question, you know what they're saying,
Speaker 3: because I think you know a lot of gps can
Speaker 3: diagnose things straight away and label someone, for instance, with
Speaker 3: like PCOS or endometriosis, not indomatriosis because you have to
Speaker 3: have like a test. But PCOS is becoming more and
Speaker 3: more commonly diagnosed, and you know there is a way
Speaker 3: that it's diagnosed and sometimes it's over diagnosed. So it's
Speaker 3: just important to have I think, your own awareness of
Speaker 3: what to expect when you go to a GP, what
Speaker 3: you're sort of entitled to, and when you can go
Speaker 3: and get a second opinion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, perfect, Okay, cool. I want to talk to you
Speaker 1: about the pill and acne. I had a question if
Speaker 1: you should go on the pill to clear up acne.
Speaker 1: What is your what is your thoughts on this?
Speaker 3: Popping out all the controversial I know I would, well, yeah, see,
Speaker 3: I've got my own personal opinion on this, but I'll
Speaker 3: give you like the general one. And then firstly, my
Speaker 3: opinion is I don't believe that you definitely need to
Speaker 3: go on the pill for your skin. I've personally been
Speaker 3: on about five different contraceptive pills and I was one
Speaker 3: of the unlucky people that had adverse side effects. The
Speaker 3: first one was amazing for light my boobs and clearing
Speaker 3: my skin and everything, but then it gave me really
Speaker 3: bad mental health issues. And then from there it was
Speaker 3: just like, oh, some pills gave me acne. Some pills
Speaker 3: just gave me malasma. There was just a lot of
Speaker 3: side effects that I experienced. So that was my personal pinion,
Speaker 3: which probably shapes my opinion today. But generally, the contraceptive
Speaker 3: pill helps to alleviate acne by decreasing the amount of
Speaker 3: androgens in the body and reducing the seven production, which
Speaker 3: is obviously causing the acne. But I think there are
Speaker 3: also certain contraceptive pills that can promote acne in some
Speaker 3: individuals due to the different levels of the synthetic hormones.
Speaker 3: I personally think every woman should really research the pill
Speaker 3: and understand what exactly it is doing to your body
Speaker 3: before making the decision to go on it, because it's
Speaker 3: not something I know that sometimes doctors do just give
Speaker 3: it to you straight away, like they'll say, oh, you've
Speaker 3: got painful periods, here's a pill prescription, and you know,
Speaker 3: once you're on that pill, sometimes it can be hard
Speaker 3: to go off it because you're afraid of the symptoms
Speaker 3: that you're going to have when you go off it.
Speaker 3: So you're on for you know, seven to ten years,
Speaker 3: some women more. But I really want to give or
Speaker 3: share an analogy from the Natch Path in our program
Speaker 3: about the pill, just to give you an idea of
Speaker 3: what it does so you can understand the long term
Speaker 3: sort of effects. So basically, when you first go on
Speaker 3: the pill, basically when you first ovulate or like your
Speaker 3: first menstrual period, your petuitary gland is telling your ovaries
Speaker 3: to release an egg and ovulate. So there's a signal
Speaker 3: between your brain and your ovaries. So what the pill
Speaker 3: does is it literally cuts off this signal. So for
Speaker 3: however many years, you don't have that signal.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So the natchal path use the analogy of a dirt track.
Speaker 3: So when you first get your first period, it's like
Speaker 3: a dirt track. The signal to your ovaras is quite weak,
Speaker 3: it's not built up, but you need those cycles over
Speaker 3: and over again until you reach, you know, an adult woman,
Speaker 3: where you start to experience that regularity that you would have,
Speaker 3: say when you're like twenty eight and you haven't been
Speaker 3: on a pill. What happens is young women are put
Speaker 3: on the pill quite early, so even their first or
Speaker 3: second cycle, and that dirt track stays as a dirt
Speaker 3: track until they decide to go off the pill. And
Speaker 3: that dirt track should be gradually turning into a highway
Speaker 3: as you get older and older so that you're ready
Speaker 3: for pregnancy. But what happens is it puts it on hold,
Speaker 3: and then you get to adulthood, you go off the pill,
Speaker 3: and you're back to being a dirt track and you
Speaker 3: haven't sort of regulated that cycle. So that's why when
Speaker 3: women go off the pill, they experience things like acne
Speaker 3: and things that they experienced when they were teenagers, like
Speaker 3: painful periods or no periods or a regular periods because
Speaker 3: they haven't allowed themselves to sort of regulate their cycle.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm actually just like mind blown.
Speaker 3: Right, So when to me, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: this makes so much sense because so many of my
Speaker 3: friends are like, you know, they're ready to have children,
Speaker 3: and they're all like, Okay, I'm gonna go off the
Speaker 3: pill now, and I think it's just you know, boom,
Speaker 3: I'm going to be able to get pregnant, and it's
Speaker 3: just when you're on the pill for so long, it's
Speaker 3: not that easy. So you really have to think about
Speaker 3: the consequences when you're older, like what does it do?
Speaker 1: You know, that's so interesting to think of it as
Speaker 1: we want to build up that signal and make it stronger,
Speaker 1: like you said to you know, be a strong highway
Speaker 1: to then be able to have children and that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. I've honestly never heard anything like that, and
Speaker 1: it just makes so much sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I even explained it to my partner before
Speaker 3: and he was like, that's actually good, Enogy. I'm obviously
Speaker 3: more than that, but just a little to give you
Speaker 3: an example.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I couldn't agree more because I was on
Speaker 1: the pill from maybe when I was fourteen till eighteen,
Speaker 1: so a lot of those teenage years and then, like
Speaker 1: I said, I didn't get acne during the years at all,
Speaker 1: but then I got off the pill and then started
Speaker 1: getting acne when I was around twenty, and I got
Speaker 1: all the hormonal issues. I think mine also had a
Speaker 1: lot to do with my lifestyle. But it does make
Speaker 1: a lot of sense that it's almost like I was
Speaker 1: going through my teenage years, like almost like later on
Speaker 1: the Wow, Okay, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: It's amazing. Yeah, no, even my like I've been off
Speaker 3: the pill for four years now, but still like I
Speaker 3: still am regulate, Like it's taking me a long time
Speaker 3: to fully regulate my cycle. Obviously that doesn't happen to everyone.
Speaker 3: Some lucky women just go straight off the pill and
Speaker 3: they get a period straight away. But we are seeing
Speaker 3: more cases, particularly my program, of women going off the
Speaker 3: pill and then like not getting a period for months
Speaker 3: and months, and it's just hard to deal with, Like
Speaker 3: it's not very nice being a woman and being like
Speaker 3: where's my period? You know what I mean. I know
Speaker 3: it's weird, but.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, one hundred percent, I went through the exact
Speaker 1: same thing, and yeah, I'm probably maybe three or four
Speaker 1: years off the pill and even I think my monthly
Speaker 1: now is like just maybe getting regular. So yeah, does
Speaker 1: make sense in saying that, Yeah, I definitely agree. I personally,
Speaker 1: like you said about finding the root cause. I think
Speaker 1: going on the pill to clear up acne just my
Speaker 1: personal opinion is kind of like, you know, covering something
Speaker 1: up and not really finding the root cause. But yes, Okay,
Speaker 1: going on to the next question. So, what is some
Speaker 1: go to supplements for healthy skin? Is there something that
Speaker 1: you like or that you using the program anything like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I personally love skin be five acne control,
Speaker 3: which is a combination of vitamin B five, zinc, byton silica,
Speaker 3: and it also has vitamin AS. If you're planning on
Speaker 3: being pregnant, you're obviously pregnant, you can't take it, but
Speaker 3: that really helped me in the past. One supplement which
Speaker 3: has been really really effective in our program and a
Speaker 3: lot of the women have been using it is called
Speaker 3: zilch Acne Formula and it's actually Chinese medicine and it's
Speaker 3: a herbal tablet form rather than you know, the liquid.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you've taken the liquid before, so yeah, that's
Speaker 3: actually there's so many improvements from that supplement and I
Speaker 3: think the good thing about that supplement is that it's
Speaker 3: not like a long term supplement. I think that's what
Speaker 3: you really need to think about with taking something like that.
Speaker 3: You don't want to be spending money, you know, that
Speaker 3: much money every single month. You would hope that over
Speaker 3: a certain amount of time it would help you manage
Speaker 3: the acne so you wouldn't have to take the supplement anymore,
Speaker 3: which I think is what the zilch acne formula promotes.
Speaker 3: So that and then also court RX ATP Science. Some
Speaker 3: women have loved that, and then also taking Offici oil
Speaker 3: and something called lactoferrin, which was recommended by Marika Day
Speaker 3: is also promoted.
Speaker 1: I take, well, not specifically at the moment, but in
Speaker 1: the past I've taken the court a rex by ATPN.
Speaker 1: That was amazing to sort of. It was more when
Speaker 1: I was dealing with a lot of stress. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: really helped me.
Speaker 3: And I'm considering taking it soon after the women are
Speaker 3: talking about it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, really good, Okay, awesome. I also wanted to ask,
Speaker 1: this is something I've personally been through, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask, what are your sort of recommendations for long
Speaker 1: term scarring? So what sort of solutions for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we obviously there are all types of scarring
Speaker 3: and it really depends on the person. But basically there's
Speaker 3: like the keyloid scar, which is probably the worst type
Speaker 3: of scar you can have, which is like you know
Speaker 3: when you have a burn and it's that really thick,
Speaker 3: deep scarring, that's a keyloid scar. So keyloid and the
Speaker 3: ice pick scars are usually dermatologists use a laser or
Speaker 3: some type of photodynamic therapy and that's probably seen the
Speaker 3: most improvement in the really really deep scars. But in
Speaker 3: terms of like hyperpigmentation scarring, retinoids and vitamin C serums
Speaker 3: and also something called carbon laser has worked as well
Speaker 3: for some of the women. I've actually used carbon laser myself.
Speaker 3: I love it. It's called like the China doll facial
Speaker 3: where basically they put carbon paste on your face and
Speaker 3: they use a laser to zap it off. It doesn't
Speaker 3: hurt at all. It sounds really horrible, but it really
Speaker 3: helps with that hyperpigmentation or any redness that you have
Speaker 3: from scarring. But in terms of like the deeper scarring,
Speaker 3: I know that laser has probably been the best result.
Speaker 3: If you have no active acne. You could also do
Speaker 3: the skin needling. I've heard that works as well, but yeah,
Speaker 3: you can't really have any active acne.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I got the skin needling done after my acne
Speaker 1: had passed, and that definitely helped me. But I'm interested
Speaker 1: about the China Doll facial. I've got a little bit
Speaker 1: of pignan left over from my last little acne breakout.
Speaker 1: I might have to walk into that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you should try, and it's really fast and easy.
Speaker 3: You don't have I mean, I'm weird. I don't really
Speaker 3: love facials because I always think I'm going to break out,
Speaker 3: but this one doesn't make me break out. And I
Speaker 3: always notice like a massive difference in the pigment face,
Speaker 3: so I really like it.
Speaker 1: Not awesome, Okay, great. I want to chat to you
Speaker 1: about this acne positivity community of seeing your Facebook group
Speaker 1: and I follow all your socials and everything and I
Speaker 1: love I just I love what you're trying to do.
Speaker 1: Can you talk to us about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So the acne Positivity community, it's basically a non biased,
Speaker 3: judgment free zone for acne prone women. So I wanted
Speaker 3: to create this space because when I first developed acne
Speaker 3: as an adult, I found it really hard to relate
Speaker 3: to women in the same circles as me because a
Speaker 3: lot of them didn't have acne, and so all of
Speaker 3: my friends they didn't really understand the extent of how
Speaker 3: it would affect my confidence. Like they would be like, oh, Nicola,
Speaker 3: I know that'd be nice, but they'd say, oh, we
Speaker 3: kind of even notice you're fine, Like we're not looking
Speaker 3: at it. But you know when it's just you're so
Speaker 3: obsessed with it that it's just everything on your mind.
Speaker 3: So I really wanted to develop not only the program
Speaker 3: to help women, but also a community where women could
Speaker 3: literally just talk about acne the whole time. Because I
Speaker 3: was so obsessed with it. I would sit there and
Speaker 3: talk to Mitch, do you reckon this is gonna work?
Speaker 3: Do you reckon this is gonna work, and just constantly
Speaker 3: be like, look my skin is improving. Oh look it's
Speaker 3: gotten worse. And it was pretty much an obsession, and
Speaker 3: so I thought, well, why not channel that I'm session
Speaker 3: into a really positive community where we could all post
Speaker 3: photos of our skin and boost each other up. And
Speaker 3: to be honest, it's in my feed right now, and
Speaker 3: so I'll be in my Facebook and just scrolling down
Speaker 3: instead of seeing you know, like, well people make me
Speaker 3: feel like crap about myself. I've got, you know, these
Speaker 3: women who are making you like lifting you up and
Speaker 3: showing you that you're not alone and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So that's the main purpose of the community.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really love it because the other day actually
Speaker 1: I had a bit of a breakout and I was
Speaker 1: scrolling past and the f acnee page had posted a
Speaker 1: photo of a girl and she obviously had full on acne,
Speaker 1: and then also an aft photo with a makeup and
Speaker 1: just like a caption, and it's just good. I love
Speaker 1: having on my feed just a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: different people and different bodies and different skin. It's just
Speaker 1: like almost like a good reminder that hey, you're not
Speaker 1: the only one who deals with this sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: Like it's very normal. We don't have to look perfect
Speaker 1: all the time. It's not a big deal at all.
Speaker 3: I know. And even when I get pimples now, like
Speaker 3: I sort of look forward. I know, it's so weird now,
Speaker 3: but I look forward to getting assists because then I
Speaker 3: can talk to her and be like, look, I do
Speaker 3: still it because my skin's been so good recently. It's
Speaker 3: like I feel like I'm not part of the community.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I don't forget about me.
Speaker 1: I know your skin has been looking amazed. Obviously, proground
Speaker 1: obviously works, so I couldn't I couldn't agree more so,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that that's all happening. Okay, So when
Speaker 1: it took to you about your new program, I actually
Speaker 1: haven't spoken to you about this in person. So tell
Speaker 1: us about the new program.
Speaker 3: Yes, So, basically, when someone first enters the original f
Speaker 3: ACNE program, they were asked to fill out a questionnaire
Speaker 3: which pretty much talks about all of their symptoms, and
Speaker 3: you know, they have to answer quite in depth about
Speaker 3: like emotional stress or physical stress, and then like gut
Speaker 3: health symptoms and skincare are using all the rest of it.
Speaker 3: And anyway, I ended up putting all of this data
Speaker 3: into a bit of an Excel document to just see,
Speaker 3: you know what the most common thread was between all
Speaker 3: of the respondents, and we found that there was a
Speaker 3: massive link between gut health stress and anxiety and acne.
Speaker 3: And literally like a very large percentage of the people
Speaker 3: in the program had poor gut health combined with anxiety
Speaker 3: and acne. So we obviously there's already science behind that
Speaker 3: whole link, and so we thought, well, what better program
Speaker 3: to create when it's just focused on that whole gut
Speaker 3: skin brain axis, which is what we're focusing on. So
Speaker 3: we're going to be drawing from a dietitian, a psychologist,
Speaker 3: a nutritionist, and a naturopath in this one and just
Speaker 3: exploring the links and really just educating women about their
Speaker 3: gut health and how important it is and that it's
Speaker 3: actually way more important than you think, particularly with its
Speaker 3: link to skin and not just acne, there are skin
Speaker 3: conditions as well, which, yeah, we're in the process of
Speaker 3: sort of finding more research towards that, but it's still
Speaker 3: in the process of being created. But that's the sort
Speaker 3: of premise behind it.
Speaker 1: Oh that's amazing. Yeah, I can't wait to have a
Speaker 1: little look inside that one. I definitely I have noticed,
Speaker 1: like I've had lots of issues with my gut bit
Speaker 1: more recently, I've had a lot of issues with yeah,
Speaker 1: digestion and gut and that sort of thing, so I've
Speaker 1: actually been looking into it a lot more so that's
Speaker 1: very interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really once you start researching it, you feel
Speaker 3: stupid for not realizing the link earlier. But yeah, it
Speaker 3: is a bit like that.
Speaker 1: Hey, you're like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: I know, well apparently it's been around for eighty years,
Speaker 3: but it's only just sort of starting to come out
Speaker 3: again as really important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it does. Yeah, it does make sense. Okay, perfect.
Speaker 1: I am going to switch gears here and something I
Speaker 1: want to chat to you about. Like, we've both gone
Speaker 1: through these periods of having really bad acne and kind
Speaker 1: of feeling a bit uncomfortable in our own skin and
Speaker 1: a bit out of place and kind of like no
Speaker 1: one can relate, and I just wanted to discuss basically
Speaker 1: body confidence and being comfortable in your own skin. I
Speaker 1: definitely had to overcome a lot of things and put
Speaker 1: a lot of practices into place. What are some of
Speaker 1: your go to practices?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so basically I've had some body positivity issues in
Speaker 3: the past, and I find that sort of the best
Speaker 3: thing that's worked for me over time has definitely been
Speaker 3: a morning routine. I know it sounds really cliche, but
Speaker 3: if I don't, you know, set myself up for the day,
Speaker 3: then I have more risk of sort of going downhill
Speaker 3: and thinking in a negative pattern. So things as simple
Speaker 3: as you know, going to the gym, and if you
Speaker 3: can't go to the gym or you just don't feel
Speaker 3: motivated enough, even just getting out of bed early, not
Speaker 3: like lingering in bed, so setting it alarm and literally
Speaker 3: getting out of bed when the alarm goes off. Don't
Speaker 3: keep on snoozing. I know it can be hard, but honestly,
Speaker 3: it's like sets the tone for the day. If I'm
Speaker 3: going to be a snoozer, I'm going to be a
Speaker 3: snoozer for the rest of the day. So I make
Speaker 3: sure that I just count to three and I go three,
Speaker 3: two one out of bed. I then either go to
Speaker 3: the gym, or I get up quite early and take
Speaker 3: my dog for a walk, or just go for a
Speaker 3: brisk walk outside, get a coffee, come back, have a shower,
Speaker 3: start work. And I think doing something as simple as
Speaker 3: that can definitely, you know, motivate you for the day.
Speaker 3: But if you're even finding that difficult, which I know
Speaker 3: is honestly can be difficult for some people, Podcasts or
Speaker 3: honestly my savior when I'm feeling a little bit unmotivated
Speaker 3: and down. And the good thing about podcasts I like
Speaker 3: is whatever I'm feeling like, whatever I feel like listening
Speaker 3: to or whatever sort of topic I want to you know,
Speaker 3: it might be just motivation. I literally just go into
Speaker 3: the podcast app and search motivation and look at the
Speaker 3: top podcasts that have been recorded, and that's literally how
Speaker 3: I find the podcast. Like I have set people that
Speaker 3: I like listening to, which we have actually shared very
Speaker 3: common people that we like to listen to. But if
Speaker 3: I'm not even feeling that's like a simple tactic that
Speaker 3: I use straight away to get me out of a slump.
Speaker 3: I just put a podcast in and listening to someone
Speaker 3: else and listening to someone else motivate you, I think
Speaker 3: is really helpful in the morning. I couldn't agree more
Speaker 3: like almost like a little pet talk exactly exactly. And
Speaker 3: also making sure you know you're setting yourself up in
Speaker 3: terms of food, so like I like to make a
Speaker 3: nice smoothie, and I do love my coffee, Like my
Speaker 3: coffee fills my cup in the morning. So everyone has
Speaker 3: their own thing. Some people just like a cup of tea,
Speaker 3: but coffee is literally it just it's like a routine
Speaker 3: for me, and it makes me feel like I'm going
Speaker 3: somewhere that's really stupid, But I think it's just appreciating
Speaker 3: the little things in your day and in the morning
Speaker 3: that can really help you.
Speaker 1: And also I love what you said about that is
Speaker 1: sort of giving like all those things you talked about,
Speaker 1: it's like giving yourself time and doing something for yourself
Speaker 1: because you were worth it. If that makes it exactly.
Speaker 1: I love that something I sort of do when I'm
Speaker 1: feeling that definitely. I love like either a podcast or
Speaker 1: like a YouTube video some sort of like pet talk.
Speaker 1: It's right. And then I also like just need to
Speaker 1: give myself a pet talk. And I'm always like, you know,
Speaker 1: like I'm so much more than how I look. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm so much smarter, I show so much love. I'm
Speaker 1: such a good friend, I'm such a good wife. Like
Speaker 1: I just really try and look at the bigger picture.
Speaker 1: And I think it's easy with social media and all
Speaker 1: that sort of thing that day where your physical appearance
Speaker 1: is really prioritized. But I think it's almost like stepping
Speaker 1: out of that. I'll usually try and get off social
Speaker 1: media for a bit, have a bit of a social
Speaker 1: media break and sort of get out of that bubble
Speaker 1: and realize it's like, hey, the way I look like
Speaker 1: it doesn't define me, and it's not going to decide
Speaker 1: or control.
Speaker 3: Me exactly, and finding things that you love to do
Speaker 3: and that you're passionate about. I think, you know it's
Speaker 3: easy to say or find something you're passionate about. You know,
Speaker 3: half of the world like spend years trying to find
Speaker 3: what they're passionate about, but finding you know, interests or
Speaker 3: just something little that really you love doing, Like for instance,
Speaker 3: I love puzzles like I literally when I want to
Speaker 3: take my mind of something, I go and do a puzzle.
Speaker 3: I don't care what I look like like I'm doing
Speaker 3: a puzzle, but do you know what I mean? But
Speaker 3: also with body confidence, definitely the social media thing, I
Speaker 3: think it's important to really I know it's hard, but
Speaker 3: to not start your day scrolling and comparing yourself to
Speaker 3: others because I think it's so easy to do, we
Speaker 3: all do it. But also remembering that social media is
Speaker 3: another world. It's not always reality. Luckily we have more
Speaker 3: people that are obviously being more transparent and authentic, but
Speaker 3: it's just not really. I think sometimes you need to
Speaker 3: also value yourself and really figure out what you're grateful for.
Speaker 3: That's one tactic that I also use. When I was
Speaker 3: in my really down, like bad phase, I made myself
Speaker 3: every morning, write down ten things that I was grateful
Speaker 3: for about my physical self, but also you know, people
Speaker 3: in my life or things in my life. So whether
Speaker 3: it was like, you know, grateful for having parents who
Speaker 3: cared about me, or grateful for having the opportunity to
Speaker 3: have like good health, you know, just things. I know
Speaker 3: that they sound like they're really little, but imagine if
Speaker 3: we were really ill and we didn't have the energy
Speaker 3: to get out of bed. You know, we're grateful that
Speaker 3: we have energy to be able to get up and
Speaker 3: do something with ourselves. And I think even you know,
Speaker 3: you know, what are your favorite features about yourself? Instead
Speaker 3: of thinking about like I've got things that I don't
Speaker 3: like about myself. And when I sit in front of
Speaker 3: the mirror doing my makeup or whatever it is, and
Speaker 3: I do wear makeup because that makes me feel a
Speaker 3: little bit confident for the day, Like I wear a
Speaker 3: little bit of mineral makeup, and that's like a routine
Speaker 3: for me, and it's like, Okay, I'm ready, I'm going.
Speaker 1: Outside, but yes, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: It's just but as you're doing your makeup, maybe say
Speaker 3: what do I love about what are my best features?
Speaker 3: And list them instead of if you feel yourself going
Speaker 3: and looking at things that you don't like about yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually funny you say that something I did
Speaker 1: the other day and like something about my body personally,
Speaker 1: I've always hated my legs because I'm quite short and
Speaker 1: they're quite stuffy, and I've just always had this thing
Speaker 1: where I just didn't really like my legs. And the
Speaker 1: other day I stood in front of the mirror and
Speaker 1: I looked at myself and I'm like, I literally searched
Speaker 1: myself mirrors. Kind of weird, but I was like, I
Speaker 1: am so grateful for my legs, Like they are strong,
Speaker 1: they are powerful, like because I think I'm just on
Speaker 1: a gym session and doing that, like it was almost
Speaker 1: so empowering. Yeah, and I just thought, no, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna let the issues of what I think just because
Speaker 1: my legs aren't long and skinny, you know, likes thinks
Speaker 1: they should be, that doesn't mean I'm not going to
Speaker 1: love them. And I'm really proud of them. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just so empowering and it just like made
Speaker 1: me feel so much better. And the thing is, like
Speaker 1: that's literally been like four years for me to be
Speaker 1: able to do that, and then as soon as I
Speaker 1: did it, I thought to myself, I cannot believe I
Speaker 1: have not done this sooner because almost like the wash
Speaker 1: of relief and how I felt after it was just yeah,
Speaker 1: like so empowering and just made me feel so good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and even you know you saying that. See,
Speaker 3: I'm a complete opposite. I've always wanted you know, muscly legs,
Speaker 3: and I don't. Like it's weird that we both you know,
Speaker 3: like when you want what you.
Speaker 1: Can't have, we want what we don't have one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: And you have you know, realize that someone out there
Speaker 3: wants your legs, someone out there wants something that you have,
Speaker 3: and you just don't appreciate it. So what do you
Speaker 3: appreciate about yourself? Like just stop? And also, yeah, what
Speaker 3: you said before that how strong they are, like think
Speaker 3: about what they do for you. So what you know?
Speaker 3: I mean, I have really small boobs and it's great
Speaker 3: because I can go from a run and they don't
Speaker 3: hit me in the face like that I should ready,
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: It's almost like I think it's about making that mind shift,
Speaker 1: because it's so easy when you're in that mind shift
Speaker 1: and you know you're thinking about, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: hate my skin, I look so ugly, and all these
Speaker 1: negative things. It's so easy to then have a negative day.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like the whole law of attraction
Speaker 1: where you attract what you think. So it's almost like
Speaker 1: making that mind shift, and like we said, some of
Speaker 1: the practices that we both use to get out of
Speaker 1: that mind shift and then you know, thinking more positive
Speaker 1: thoughts and trying to attract more positive thoughts throughout the
Speaker 1: day and just basically making that shift and getting over it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And one more tip. When I was going through
Speaker 3: some issues with my weight and everything and I wasn't
Speaker 3: very confident, one thing that I found really helped me
Speaker 3: was looking at myself and realizing, you know, the things
Speaker 3: that I actually loved about myself, and then going and
Speaker 3: maybe every couple of weeks purchasing a piece of clothing
Speaker 3: which really accentuated the things that I loved about myself.
Speaker 3: And I found that just something. I know, it's clothing,
Speaker 3: but it literally lifted my confidence so much and did
Speaker 3: something to my mental health, Like it literally improved just
Speaker 3: by highlighting what I like about myself.
Speaker 1: I love that, I really love that. Yeah, Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 1: All right, perfect, Well, I am going to wrap things up.
Speaker 1: I want to tell the audience basically where they can
Speaker 1: find you on social media, where they can find your
Speaker 1: f ACNE program and all that good stuff. And I
Speaker 1: know Nichola has been very generous, and we do have
Speaker 1: a discount code if you are interested in joining f ACNE,
Speaker 1: but she's going to give you all the details. Thanks
Speaker 1: so much, Georgie. So if you guys want to register
Speaker 1: for the f ACNE program, it's super simple.
Speaker 3: You just hop online and go to f acne facne
Speaker 3: dot com dot au. And we actually have a fifty
Speaker 3: percent discount code for Georgie's followers. So if you've listened
Speaker 3: to this podcast, just enter in Rise and Conquer at
Speaker 3: check out and you will get fifty percent off the
Speaker 3: FACN program. You can actually start it anytime anywhere, so
Speaker 3: there's no actual start date. It's all about doing it
Speaker 3: in your own time. And if you want to find
Speaker 3: me on Instagram, my Instagram code is at the double
Speaker 3: underscore unrefined. So that's it. Thank you so much for
Speaker 3: having me, Georgia. I really enjoyed the chat.
Speaker 1: No problem, and I'll make sure that I put all
Speaker 1: those links and your Instagram and all that good stuff
Speaker 1: in the show notes if you guys want to go
Speaker 1: check that out.
Speaker 3: Perfect.
Speaker 1: Thank you much, awesome, Thank you so much, Nikola. I'll
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