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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to the Rise and Conquer Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Georgie Stevenson. I'm a lawyer, tend health coach,

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Speaker 1: social media influencer, wife and dogmam. On the Rise and

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Speaker 1: Conquer Podcast, we dive deep into all things mindset, habits, career, health,

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Speaker 1: relationships and more. This is a podcast for women who

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Speaker 1: want to rise up to be the best version of themselves,

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Speaker 1: who have big dreams in who are willing to put

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Speaker 1: in the work to get there. I want to bring

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Speaker 1: you the tools and actionable steps to feel confident in yourself,

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Speaker 1: inspired to take bold action, and motivated to conquer your goals.

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Speaker 1: Are you with me? Your friends? Let's Rise and Conquer.

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Speaker 2: Hi, and welcome back to the Rise and Kunker podcast.

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Speaker 2: Today we are chatting to Nicholas Rugby, who is also

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Speaker 2: known as the Unrefined on Instagram. Nicholas started a sugar free,

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Speaker 2: full fat blog in twenty fourteen which had their desire

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Speaker 2: to inform, nourish and empower people to put their health first.

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Speaker 2: Since then, Nikola has expanded to encompass two brands, including

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Speaker 2: natty Boost, a healthy low sugar granola and f Acne,

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Speaker 2: an online educational ACNE program. And community with health professionals. Today,

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Speaker 2: we are chatting about all things acne, including what are

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Speaker 2: the most common factors if acne face maps are accurate,

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Speaker 2: Nick's go to supplements for healthy glowing skin, what solutions

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Speaker 2: there are for acne scars. Plus we chat about our

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Speaker 2: go to practices when we aren't feeling that comfortable in

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Speaker 2: our own skin. I am so excited to share this

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Speaker 2: episode with you.

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Speaker 1: Hi Nikola, Welcome to the show. Hi Georgie, thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me no problem. So I'm very excited for this interview.

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Speaker 1: As you know, I have had previous issues with my

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Speaker 1: skin and acne and all that sort of thing, and

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Speaker 1: I love what you're doing in that sort of acting positivity,

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Speaker 1: community and space. I'm very excited for this. But before

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Speaker 1: we get into all about acne and I pick your

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Speaker 1: brain about that, I want to ask you what is

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Speaker 1: something big or small that you are rising up and

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Speaker 1: conquering this week?

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Speaker 3: This week I am getting all of my health professionals

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Speaker 3: together to do my next programs. So that's probably the

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Speaker 3: biggest thing on my agenda and it is probably taking

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Speaker 3: the most my energy, but all good energy, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: that would be it. T It's a gut skin program,

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Speaker 3: which I think we'll discuss at the very end. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's my energy this week.

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Speaker 1: Wow. And so I understand with the programs you have

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Speaker 1: how many different health professionals. So usually we have around

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Speaker 1: six or seven. But this one, because it's more of

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Speaker 1: of the different opinions because my programs are sort of

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Speaker 1: sort of modals, if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: you're making sure you're getting all sides of the story. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: so you would be very busy with that. So good that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so let's get into some acne questions now. I put

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Speaker 1: basically if anyone had any questions about ACNE, I want

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Speaker 1: I have struggled with acne. It has popped up quite

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'll do a disclaimer quickly. All of the

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Speaker 1: So yeah, perfect, How important is skincare, like, you know,

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Speaker 3: Their stress levels. So that's a really interesting thing. I

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Speaker 3: just when you're on the pill for so long, it's

434
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 3: not that easy. So you really have to think about

435
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 3: the consequences when you're older, like what does it do?

436
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: You know, that's so interesting to think of it as

437
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: we want to build up that signal and make it stronger,

438
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: like you said to you know, be a strong highway

439
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: to then be able to have children and that sort

440
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 1: of stuff. I've honestly never heard anything like that, and

441
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 1: it just makes so much sense.

442
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I even explained it to my partner before

443
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 3: and he was like, that's actually good, Enogy. I'm obviously

444
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 3: more than that, but just a little to give you

445
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 3: an example.

446
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I couldn't agree more because I was on

447
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 1: the pill from maybe when I was fourteen till eighteen,

448
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 1: so a lot of those teenage years and then, like

449
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 1: I said, I didn't get acne during the years at all,

450
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: but then I got off the pill and then started

451
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: getting acne when I was around twenty, and I got

452
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: all the hormonal issues. I think mine also had a

453
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 1: lot to do with my lifestyle. But it does make

454
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,959
Speaker 1: a lot of sense that it's almost like I was

455
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: going through my teenage years, like almost like later on

456
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: the Wow, Okay, that's amazing.

457
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 3: It's amazing. Yeah, no, even my like I've been off

458
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 3: the pill for four years now, but still like I

459
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 3: still am regulate, Like it's taking me a long time

460
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 3: to fully regulate my cycle. Obviously that doesn't happen to everyone.

461
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 3: Some lucky women just go straight off the pill and

462
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 3: they get a period straight away. But we are seeing

463
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 3: more cases, particularly my program, of women going off the

464
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 3: pill and then like not getting a period for months

465
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 3: and months, and it's just hard to deal with, Like

466
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 3: it's not very nice being a woman and being like

467
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 3: where's my period? You know what I mean. I know

468
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 3: it's weird, but.

469
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 1: No, yeah, one hundred percent, I went through the exact

470
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 1: same thing, and yeah, I'm probably maybe three or four

471
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: years off the pill and even I think my monthly

472
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: now is like just maybe getting regular. So yeah, does

473
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: make sense in saying that, Yeah, I definitely agree. I personally,

474
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: like you said about finding the root cause. I think

475
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: going on the pill to clear up acne just my

476
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: personal opinion is kind of like, you know, covering something

477
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: up and not really finding the root cause. But yes, Okay,

478
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: going on to the next question. So, what is some

479
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: go to supplements for healthy skin? Is there something that

480
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: you like or that you using the program anything like that.

481
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I personally love skin be five acne control,

482
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 3: which is a combination of vitamin B five, zinc, byton silica,

483
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 3: and it also has vitamin AS. If you're planning on

484
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 3: being pregnant, you're obviously pregnant, you can't take it, but

485
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: that really helped me in the past. One supplement which

486
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 3: has been really really effective in our program and a

487
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 3: lot of the women have been using it is called

488
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 3: zilch Acne Formula and it's actually Chinese medicine and it's

489
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 3: a herbal tablet form rather than you know, the liquid.

490
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 3: I'm sure you've taken the liquid before, so yeah, that's

491
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 3: actually there's so many improvements from that supplement and I

492
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 3: think the good thing about that supplement is that it's

493
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: not like a long term supplement. I think that's what

494
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 3: you really need to think about with taking something like that.

495
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 3: You don't want to be spending money, you know, that

496
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 3: much money every single month. You would hope that over

497
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 3: a certain amount of time it would help you manage

498
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 3: the acne so you wouldn't have to take the supplement anymore,

499
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: which I think is what the zilch acne formula promotes.

500
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,959
Speaker 3: So that and then also court RX ATP Science. Some

501
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 3: women have loved that, and then also taking Offici oil

502
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 3: and something called lactoferrin, which was recommended by Marika Day

503
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 3: is also promoted.

504
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: I take, well, not specifically at the moment, but in

505
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: the past I've taken the court a rex by ATPN.

506
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: That was amazing to sort of. It was more when

507
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: I was dealing with a lot of stress. Yeah, that

508
00:26:59,040 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: really helped me.

509
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: And I'm considering taking it soon after the women are

510
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 3: talking about it.

511
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, really good, Okay, awesome. I also wanted to ask,

512
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: this is something I've personally been through, and I wanted

513
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: to ask, what are your sort of recommendations for long

514
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: term scarring? So what sort of solutions for that.

515
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we obviously there are all types of scarring

516
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 3: and it really depends on the person. But basically there's

517
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 3: like the keyloid scar, which is probably the worst type

518
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 3: of scar you can have, which is like you know

519
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 3: when you have a burn and it's that really thick,

520
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 3: deep scarring, that's a keyloid scar. So keyloid and the

521
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 3: ice pick scars are usually dermatologists use a laser or

522
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 3: some type of photodynamic therapy and that's probably seen the

523
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 3: most improvement in the really really deep scars. But in

524
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 3: terms of like hyperpigmentation scarring, retinoids and vitamin C serums

525
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 3: and also something called carbon laser has worked as well

526
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 3: for some of the women. I've actually used carbon laser myself.

527
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: I love it. It's called like the China doll facial

528
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 3: where basically they put carbon paste on your face and

529
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 3: they use a laser to zap it off. It doesn't

530
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 3: hurt at all. It sounds really horrible, but it really

531
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: helps with that hyperpigmentation or any redness that you have

532
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 3: from scarring. But in terms of like the deeper scarring,

533
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 3: I know that laser has probably been the best result.

534
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: If you have no active acne. You could also do

535
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 3: the skin needling. I've heard that works as well, but yeah,

536
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 3: you can't really have any active acne.

537
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. I got the skin needling done after my acne

538
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: had passed, and that definitely helped me. But I'm interested

539
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: about the China Doll facial. I've got a little bit

540
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: of pignan left over from my last little acne breakout.

541
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: I might have to walk into that.

542
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you should try, and it's really fast and easy.

543
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 3: You don't have I mean, I'm weird. I don't really

544
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 3: love facials because I always think I'm going to break out,

545
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 3: but this one doesn't make me break out. And I

546
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 3: always notice like a massive difference in the pigment face,

547
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:01,239
Speaker 3: so I really like it.

548
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: Not awesome, Okay, great. I want to chat to you

549
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: about this acne positivity community of seeing your Facebook group

550
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: and I follow all your socials and everything and I

551
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: love I just I love what you're trying to do.

552
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: Can you talk to us about that?

553
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? So the acne Positivity community, it's basically a non biased,

554
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 3: judgment free zone for acne prone women. So I wanted

555
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 3: to create this space because when I first developed acne

556
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 3: as an adult, I found it really hard to relate

557
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 3: to women in the same circles as me because a

558
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 3: lot of them didn't have acne, and so all of

559
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 3: my friends they didn't really understand the extent of how

560
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: it would affect my confidence. Like they would be like, oh, Nicola,

561
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 3: I know that'd be nice, but they'd say, oh, we

562
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 3: kind of even notice you're fine, Like we're not looking

563
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 3: at it. But you know when it's just you're so

564
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 3: obsessed with it that it's just everything on your mind.

565
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,719
Speaker 3: So I really wanted to develop not only the program

566
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 3: to help women, but also a community where women could

567
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 3: literally just talk about acne the whole time. Because I

568
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: was so obsessed with it. I would sit there and

569
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: talk to Mitch, do you reckon this is gonna work?

570
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 3: Do you reckon this is gonna work, and just constantly

571
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 3: be like, look my skin is improving. Oh look it's

572
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 3: gotten worse. And it was pretty much an obsession, and

573
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 3: so I thought, well, why not channel that I'm session

574
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 3: into a really positive community where we could all post

575
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 3: photos of our skin and boost each other up. And

576
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 3: to be honest, it's in my feed right now, and

577
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: so I'll be in my Facebook and just scrolling down

578
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: instead of seeing you know, like, well people make me

579
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 3: feel like crap about myself. I've got, you know, these

580
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: women who are making you like lifting you up and

581
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: showing you that you're not alone and stuff like that.

582
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 3: So that's the main purpose of the community.

583
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really love it because the other day actually

584
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: I had a bit of a breakout and I was

585
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: scrolling past and the f acnee page had posted a

586
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: photo of a girl and she obviously had full on acne,

587
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: and then also an aft photo with a makeup and

588
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: just like a caption, and it's just good. I love

589
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: having on my feed just a lot of you know,

590
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: different people and different bodies and different skin. It's just

591
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: like almost like a good reminder that hey, you're not

592
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: the only one who deals with this sort of stuff,

593
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: Like it's very normal. We don't have to look perfect

594
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: all the time. It's not a big deal at all.

595
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 3: I know. And even when I get pimples now, like

596
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 3: I sort of look forward. I know, it's so weird now,

597
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: but I look forward to getting assists because then I

598
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: can talk to her and be like, look, I do

599
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 3: still it because my skin's been so good recently. It's

600
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: like I feel like I'm not part of the community.

601
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I don't forget about me.

602
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: I know your skin has been looking amazed. Obviously, proground

603
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: obviously works, so I couldn't I couldn't agree more so,

604
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that that's all happening. Okay, So when

605
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: it took to you about your new program, I actually

606
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: haven't spoken to you about this in person. So tell

607
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: us about the new program.

608
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 3: Yes, So, basically, when someone first enters the original f

609
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 3: ACNE program, they were asked to fill out a questionnaire

610
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 3: which pretty much talks about all of their symptoms, and

611
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 3: you know, they have to answer quite in depth about

612
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 3: like emotional stress or physical stress, and then like gut

613
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 3: health symptoms and skincare are using all the rest of it.

614
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: And anyway, I ended up putting all of this data

615
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 3: into a bit of an Excel document to just see,

616
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 3: you know what the most common thread was between all

617
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 3: of the respondents, and we found that there was a

618
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 3: massive link between gut health stress and anxiety and acne.

619
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 3: And literally like a very large percentage of the people

620
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 3: in the program had poor gut health combined with anxiety

621
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,239
Speaker 3: and acne. So we obviously there's already science behind that

622
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 3: whole link, and so we thought, well, what better program

623
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 3: to create when it's just focused on that whole gut

624
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: skin brain axis, which is what we're focusing on. So

625
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 3: we're going to be drawing from a dietitian, a psychologist,

626
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 3: a nutritionist, and a naturopath in this one and just

627
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 3: exploring the links and really just educating women about their

628
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 3: gut health and how important it is and that it's

629
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: actually way more important than you think, particularly with its

630
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 3: link to skin and not just acne, there are skin

631
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: conditions as well, which, yeah, we're in the process of

632
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 3: sort of finding more research towards that, but it's still

633
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 3: in the process of being created. But that's the sort

634
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 3: of premise behind it.

635
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: Oh that's amazing. Yeah, I can't wait to have a

636
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: little look inside that one. I definitely I have noticed,

637
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: like I've had lots of issues with my gut bit

638
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: more recently, I've had a lot of issues with yeah,

639
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: digestion and gut and that sort of thing, so I've

640
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: actually been looking into it a lot more so that's

641
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: very interesting.

642
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really once you start researching it, you feel

643
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 3: stupid for not realizing the link earlier. But yeah, it

644
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 3: is a bit like that.

645
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: Hey, you're like, oh my god.

646
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: I know, well apparently it's been around for eighty years,

647
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 3: but it's only just sort of starting to come out

648
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 3: again as really important.

649
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it does. Yeah, it does make sense. Okay, perfect.

650
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Speaker 1: I am going to switch gears here and something I

651
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: want to chat to you about. Like, we've both gone

652
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: through these periods of having really bad acne and kind

653
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: of feeling a bit uncomfortable in our own skin and

654
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: a bit out of place and kind of like no

655
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: one can relate, and I just wanted to discuss basically

656
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Speaker 1: body confidence and being comfortable in your own skin. I

657
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: definitely had to overcome a lot of things and put

658
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: a lot of practices into place. What are some of

659
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: your go to practices?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so basically I've had some body positivity issues in

661
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 3: the past, and I find that sort of the best

662
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: thing that's worked for me over time has definitely been

663
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 3: a morning routine. I know it sounds really cliche, but

664
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Speaker 3: if I don't, you know, set myself up for the day,

665
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 3: then I have more risk of sort of going downhill

666
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 3: and thinking in a negative pattern. So things as simple

667
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 3: as you know, going to the gym, and if you

668
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: can't go to the gym or you just don't feel

669
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 3: motivated enough, even just getting out of bed early, not

670
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 3: like lingering in bed, so setting it alarm and literally

671
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: getting out of bed when the alarm goes off. Don't

672
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Speaker 3: keep on snoozing. I know it can be hard, but honestly,

673
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 3: it's like sets the tone for the day. If I'm

674
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 3: going to be a snoozer, I'm going to be a

675
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 3: snoozer for the rest of the day. So I make

676
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 3: sure that I just count to three and I go three,

677
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: two one out of bed. I then either go to

678
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 3: the gym, or I get up quite early and take

679
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 3: my dog for a walk, or just go for a

680
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 3: brisk walk outside, get a coffee, come back, have a shower,

681
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 3: start work. And I think doing something as simple as

682
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 3: that can definitely, you know, motivate you for the day.

683
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Speaker 3: But if you're even finding that difficult, which I know

684
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: is honestly can be difficult for some people, Podcasts or

685
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: honestly my savior when I'm feeling a little bit unmotivated

686
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 3: and down. And the good thing about podcasts I like

687
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: is whatever I'm feeling like, whatever I feel like listening

688
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: to or whatever sort of topic I want to you know,

689
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 3: it might be just motivation. I literally just go into

690
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 3: the podcast app and search motivation and look at the

691
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: top podcasts that have been recorded, and that's literally how

692
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 3: I find the podcast. Like I have set people that

693
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: I like listening to, which we have actually shared very

694
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 3: common people that we like to listen to. But if

695
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 3: I'm not even feeling that's like a simple tactic that

696
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 3: I use straight away to get me out of a slump.

697
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: I just put a podcast in and listening to someone

698
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 3: else and listening to someone else motivate you, I think

699
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 3: is really helpful in the morning. I couldn't agree more

700
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 3: like almost like a little pet talk exactly exactly. And

701
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 3: also making sure you know you're setting yourself up in

702
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 3: terms of food, so like I like to make a

703
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: nice smoothie, and I do love my coffee, Like my

704
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 3: coffee fills my cup in the morning. So everyone has

705
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 3: their own thing. Some people just like a cup of tea,

706
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 3: but coffee is literally it just it's like a routine

707
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,959
Speaker 3: for me, and it makes me feel like I'm going

708
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 3: somewhere that's really stupid, But I think it's just appreciating

709
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 3: the little things in your day and in the morning

710
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: that can really help you.

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Speaker 1: And also I love what you said about that is

712
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: sort of giving like all those things you talked about,

713
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: it's like giving yourself time and doing something for yourself

714
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: because you were worth it. If that makes it exactly.

715
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Speaker 1: I love that something I sort of do when I'm

716
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Speaker 1: feeling that definitely. I love like either a podcast or

717
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: like a YouTube video some sort of like pet talk.

718
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: It's right. And then I also like just need to

719
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: give myself a pet talk. And I'm always like, you know,

720
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: like I'm so much more than how I look. You know,

721
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm so much smarter, I show so much love. I'm

722
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: such a good friend, I'm such a good wife. Like

723
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: I just really try and look at the bigger picture.

724
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: And I think it's easy with social media and all

725
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: that sort of thing that day where your physical appearance

726
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: is really prioritized. But I think it's almost like stepping

727
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: out of that. I'll usually try and get off social

728
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: media for a bit, have a bit of a social

729
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: media break and sort of get out of that bubble

730
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: and realize it's like, hey, the way I look like

731
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't define me, and it's not going to decide

732
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Speaker 1: or control.

733
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Speaker 3: Me exactly, and finding things that you love to do

734
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 3: and that you're passionate about. I think, you know it's

735
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 3: easy to say or find something you're passionate about. You know,

736
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 3: half of the world like spend years trying to find

737
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 3: what they're passionate about, but finding you know, interests or

738
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 3: just something little that really you love doing, Like for instance,

739
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 3: I love puzzles like I literally when I want to

740
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 3: take my mind of something, I go and do a puzzle.

741
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 3: I don't care what I look like like I'm doing

742
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 3: a puzzle, but do you know what I mean? But

743
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 3: also with body confidence, definitely the social media thing, I

744
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 3: think it's important to really I know it's hard, but

745
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 3: to not start your day scrolling and comparing yourself to

746
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 3: others because I think it's so easy to do, we

747
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 3: all do it. But also remembering that social media is

748
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 3: another world. It's not always reality. Luckily we have more

749
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 3: people that are obviously being more transparent and authentic, but

750
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 3: it's just not really. I think sometimes you need to

751
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 3: also value yourself and really figure out what you're grateful for.

752
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 3: That's one tactic that I also use. When I was

753
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 3: in my really down, like bad phase, I made myself

754
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 3: every morning, write down ten things that I was grateful

755
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 3: for about my physical self, but also you know, people

756
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 3: in my life or things in my life. So whether

757
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: it was like, you know, grateful for having parents who

758
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 3: cared about me, or grateful for having the opportunity to

759
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 3: have like good health, you know, just things. I know

760
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 3: that they sound like they're really little, but imagine if

761
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 3: we were really ill and we didn't have the energy

762
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 3: to get out of bed. You know, we're grateful that

763
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 3: we have energy to be able to get up and

764
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 3: do something with ourselves. And I think even you know,

765
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 3: you know, what are your favorite features about yourself? Instead

766
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 3: of thinking about like I've got things that I don't

767
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 3: like about myself. And when I sit in front of

768
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 3: the mirror doing my makeup or whatever it is, and

769
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 3: I do wear makeup because that makes me feel a

770
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 3: little bit confident for the day, Like I wear a

771
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 3: little bit of mineral makeup, and that's like a routine

772
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 3: for me, and it's like, Okay, I'm ready, I'm going.

773
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: Outside, but yes, do you know what I mean?

774
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 3: It's just but as you're doing your makeup, maybe say

775
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 3: what do I love about what are my best features?

776
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: And list them instead of if you feel yourself going

777
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: and looking at things that you don't like about yourself.

778
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually funny you say that something I did

779
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: the other day and like something about my body personally,

780
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: I've always hated my legs because I'm quite short and

781
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: they're quite stuffy, and I've just always had this thing

782
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: where I just didn't really like my legs. And the

783
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: other day I stood in front of the mirror and

784
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: I looked at myself and I'm like, I literally searched

785
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: myself mirrors. Kind of weird, but I was like, I

786
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 1: am so grateful for my legs, Like they are strong,

787
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: they are powerful, like because I think I'm just on

788
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: a gym session and doing that, like it was almost

789
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: so empowering. Yeah, and I just thought, no, I'm not

790
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 1: gonna let the issues of what I think just because

791
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: my legs aren't long and skinny, you know, likes thinks

792
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: they should be, that doesn't mean I'm not going to

793
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: love them. And I'm really proud of them. And yeah,

794
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: it was just so empowering and it just like made

795
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: me feel so much better. And the thing is, like

796
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: that's literally been like four years for me to be

797
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: able to do that, and then as soon as I

798
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: did it, I thought to myself, I cannot believe I

799
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: have not done this sooner because almost like the wash

800
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 1: of relief and how I felt after it was just yeah,

801
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: like so empowering and just made me feel so good.

802
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and even you know you saying that. See,

803
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 3: I'm a complete opposite. I've always wanted you know, muscly legs,

804
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 3: and I don't. Like it's weird that we both you know,

805
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 3: like when you want what you.

806
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: Can't have, we want what we don't have one hundred percent.

807
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 3: And you have you know, realize that someone out there

808
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: wants your legs, someone out there wants something that you have,

809
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 3: and you just don't appreciate it. So what do you

810
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 3: appreciate about yourself? Like just stop? And also, yeah, what

811
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 3: you said before that how strong they are, like think

812
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 3: about what they do for you. So what you know?

813
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I have really small boobs and it's great

814
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 3: because I can go from a run and they don't

815
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 3: hit me in the face like that I should ready,

816
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 3: I know.

817
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: It's almost like I think it's about making that mind shift,

818
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: because it's so easy when you're in that mind shift

819
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: and you know you're thinking about, oh my god, I

820
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: hate my skin, I look so ugly, and all these

821
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: negative things. It's so easy to then have a negative day.

822
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like the whole law of attraction

823
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: where you attract what you think. So it's almost like

824
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: making that mind shift, and like we said, some of

825
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: the practices that we both use to get out of

826
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: that mind shift and then you know, thinking more positive

827
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: thoughts and trying to attract more positive thoughts throughout the

828
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: day and just basically making that shift and getting over it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And one more tip. When I was going through

830
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 3: some issues with my weight and everything and I wasn't

831
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 3: very confident, one thing that I found really helped me

832
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 3: was looking at myself and realizing, you know, the things

833
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 3: that I actually loved about myself, and then going and

834
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 3: maybe every couple of weeks purchasing a piece of clothing

835
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 3: which really accentuated the things that I loved about myself.

836
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Speaker 3: And I found that just something. I know, it's clothing,

837
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: but it literally lifted my confidence so much and did

838
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 3: something to my mental health, Like it literally improved just

839
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 3: by highlighting what I like about myself.

840
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: I love that, I really love that. Yeah, Yeah, amazing.

841
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: All right, perfect, Well, I am going to wrap things up.

842
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Speaker 3: underscore unrefined. So that's it. Thank you so much for

860
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Speaker 3: having me, Georgia. I really enjoyed the chat.

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Speaker 1: No problem, and I'll make sure that I put all

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