WEBVTT - GRANT DENYER - DEAL OR NO DEAL - NETWORK 10 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:05.720 TV Reload, the podcast last Deep Thereby. Hey guys, welcome 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:07.680 back to TV Reload. I want to thank you for 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:10.920 clicking and downloading on today's episode with Grant Daniel, who 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:13.440 is taking his Little Deal or No Deal show to 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:16.720 primetime this week, with some celebrity editions of the hit 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:19.239 game show lining up for the chance to win two 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:22.119 hundred and fifty thousand dollars for their chosen charity. Is 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:26.760 Gold Logie winning comedian Tom Gleeson, MASTERSHEF Australian judges Andy 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:30.120 Allen and Sophie Levin, The Stars a Gogglebox Australia, and 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:32.040 some of the I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out if 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:36.479 You're alumni, including this year's winner Sky Wheatley. It is funny. 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:39.680 I was super self conscious about having a cold this week, 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.400 and after talking to Grant I found out that in fact, 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:45.680 he had a cold while filming all of these TV specials. 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:47.680 Now that I know that he had a cold, I 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:49.920 actually went back and watched a few of the preview 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:53.199 episodes I had. As a genius of television, he manages 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:56.800 to hide it completely and I think most audiences unless 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:59.200 they're listening to this podcast will have any idea that 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:02.560 he had a cold. We will unpack Grant's relationship with 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:06.200 Tom Gleeson from gold Logi's drama to what their relationship 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:09.600 is really like behind the scenes. I will find out 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:12.839 what the big differences are between having celebrities play Deal 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:15.360 on No Deal over the general public and what Grant 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:18.160 thought may have been a big issue with the celebrities 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:20.480 not playing for a prize that they get to keep. 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:23.759 We will talk about why Grant is actually the most 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:26.839 comfortable he has ever been in his skin and which 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:30.240 reality show was where the turning point was. We will 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:33.400 dive deep into why he isn't on the Paramount plus 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:36.760 reboot of Top Care Australia with some juicy details as 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:39.880 to what actually happened, which I think is going to 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:43.000 surprise some people. There is so much to unpack with Grant, 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:46.320 so sit back and relax as we unpack his life 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:49.280 and his love of television in the midst of these 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:53.640 Deal or No Deal celebrity additions. This is quite surreal 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.520 because I've just been sitting here all morning watching Deal 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:58.720 on No Deal, watching as many episodes as I can. 0:01:58.840 --> 0:01:59.200 Too much. 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:01.560 Danie is never an that's a policy. We've got a 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:03.600 T shirt of that at my house. How are you, 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:04.520 mister Grant Danny? 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:05.880 That's really really good. What do you think? 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.919 I'm obsessed? But can I just be really really honest 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.720 because I noticed a couple of times through this celebrity 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:14.639 edition that you call people out for maybe not watching 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:17.400 the show. So I just want you to know it 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:19.760 is often on in our house because it is one 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.320 of my partner's favorite shows, so he is watching it 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:24.520 all the time. But I've only ever been sort of 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:26.920 like coming in and out of the room where I've 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:29.920 now been plowing through episodes. It's kind of like scratches 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:32.520 from down at the news agency. Once you've scratched one, 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:33.880 you just want to keep scratching them all. 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:37.119 That's amazing. That's so good to hear. I really appreciate that. Look, 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.400 we haven't been on air that long, right, it's sort 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:41.800 of it's a new return to Delhi, and it's still 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:44.240 making waves and people are starting to find it now, 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:47.079 which is really nice. So the rating driw coming up. 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:49.920 But more importantly, it's so much fun that I thought 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:50.639 it would be. 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.000 When game shows came back around. For you, did you 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.440 make a conscious decision to try and do anything differently. 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:59.440 Well, yeah, see, look, I obviously didn't hoste it in 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:01.880 the past. You know, I was aware of it back 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.519 in the day. And that's kind of like the most 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.919 nerve wrecking thing about doing this is, you know, can 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:09.200 I make it my own? How do I evolve it? 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.360 How can I make it more fun? Is that even possible? 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:16.080 So I kind of really felt the pressure about taking 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:18.800 it on. But I'm also I'm a pretty competitive guy, 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:20.240 and I'm up for a challenge. And I knew that 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.679 six pm was a bit of a troubled slot for ten, 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:24.880 and you know, I take great pride in kind of 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:28.960 help driving its return. I think the show is so 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:31.679 much more fun than I expected. It's way more dramatic 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.440 than I gave it credit for, and it's just funnier 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:37.680 and it's got more heart than I ever anticipated. So 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.520 I think it's a perfect alternative to the News at 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.240 six and I'm so glad that families have fallen in 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:43.640 love with it. 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.000 As I'm watching these episodes, I think to myself, do 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.160 you ever turn up and not have that energy? I've 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:49.800 got a cold. At the moment, I was thinking, what 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:51.680 does Grant and you do when you turn up and 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:53.960 you have a cold, or is there just like an 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:57.320 energizer like Tesla charger thing that you plug yourself into. 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:58.880 Well, I'll let you a little thigret. I had a 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:02.080 cold doing those special I was starting to lose my voice. 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:04.200 But I think the cool part is is that you 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:06.640 don't have to fake anything. The jeopardy is real. The 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.520 stakes are high because the money is genuine, but the 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:13.680 moment that it produces of filliness and laughter coming thick 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:16.839 and fast, right, So it's not like you're having to pretend. 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:18.080 The vibe is. 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:21.320 So high in the room, like it blows the roof off, 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.280 you know, the crowd they go nuts like a rock 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:26.400 constant in there because you got to remember, in normal 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.880 episode they all have the chance of playing next, so 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:32.600 everyone's really invested in how the game is going for 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.520 the player. And yeah, when you're staring down the barrel 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:38.000 of winning one hundred grand I don't need to pretend. 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:40.839 All the ingredients are red hot. And it is such 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.600 an entertaining watch. So it's a pleasure to turn up 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.600 to work, and that energy of mine is genuine. I'm 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:49.920 not a great actor. I'm not a great pretender. So 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.279 what you're seeing is me just having the time of 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.200 my life. I genuinely love this so much more than 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:57.520 I anticipated. It's a beautiful surprise. 0:04:57.680 --> 0:04:59.320 Being in your audience for as long as I have 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.800 been and enjoying you on television for many years, I 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.920 I've noticed something about you though. You have an ability 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:09.159 to make people feel special. And I don't know whether 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:11.840 that's been on the ship the whole way or whether 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.400 that's something that you learned. I can imagine little grand 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.520 Daniel like making people feel special, like it's it's always 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:19.560 been a part of you. What do you think about that? 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:23.600 It's very gorgeous thing to say, and I really appreciate that. Yeah, 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.200 I was always trying to make people smile, you know, 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.800 as a little kid, you know, a really happy, very 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:33.400 sensitive little kid, and when life is difficult, I always 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:35.840 wanted to put a smile on your face and make 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.479 you feel better again. And that's I still have that 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:41.240 in me as an adult. Right So I look at 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:45.120 television and go, Okay, life hard. We're struggling to put 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.680 food on the table and pay for a roof over 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:52.120 our head. So television can be a great form of escape. 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:54.520 It can take you a million miles away from your troubles. 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.839 I love that about television, and so I feel like 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:00.839 it's my duty that if you have been there your 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:03.680 half hour and chosen to watch my show, it's my 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:07.160 duty to give you the best time possible. That's how 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:11.200 I reward you for choosing to spend your time with us. 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.680 That's my only role, that's my number one job. And 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.560 I like making people feel good, you know, and I 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.080 think TV is a pretty unusual experience to someone who 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:22.080 hast done it before. So with a contestant, if you 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.520 can make it feel like a safe, fun space, and 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:28.640 then the hero, they shine, and then the TV show saws. 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:30.880 So I want them to be comfortable, you know, I 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:33.920 want them to share their funniest stories, you know, they're 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:37.480 saddest heartbreaks or I wanted to see what the money 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.479 means to them. So I think it's very important to 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:44.480 make the contestant the hero. Not everyone does that, no, 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:44.960 you know. 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:47.080 They really don't. It's also I think you've got a 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:51.080 very good, active listening face, like you're genuinely interested in 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.960 what people have to say, whether they're celebrities or their 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:55.919 every day punters. 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:59.680 You know, yeah, I really appreciate what you're saying. You know, 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.240 not everyone has noticed that or says that back to me, 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.240 and that really means a lot. I want them to 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:06.320 have a good time, you know. That's all that it's about. 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:08.880 If the contestant has a great time, the audience really 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.160 loves watching it, and that's when I know, you know, 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:13.920 I've done my job. So I take it really seriously. 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:17.800 You know, I'm deeply passionate about making television. I adore 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:22.000 doing it. It's my twenty seventh year of working in Telli, 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.480 and you know, I'm still refining how I do it. 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:27.200 You know, I feel like I'm at my best at 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:28.800 the moment, you know, and I've done a lot of 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:31.200 great stuff. I'm also a bit more of an evolved 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:35.000 person now and gone through hardships and I've reshaped myself 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.760 and rebuilt myself and worked on myself until you know, 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:41.680 I feel like I'm a better person. So yeah, it's 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:45.280 you come from a place of security and evolution, and 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.240 I feel like I'm giving the most that I've ever 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:50.880 given and it's probably the first time in my life 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:55.200 where I'm really truly me. I think as a kid 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.160 growing up, I had pretty poor self confidence, you know, 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:03.160 no self worth and smart. But yeah, to make it, 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.520 I didn't think that I was enough, so I would 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:09.560 pretend to be other people or pieces of other successful people, 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:11.160 you know. I would take a bit of what Rod 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.800 was doing, or Darryl someone was doing, or but you 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:17.320 were doing, or Larry imd or whatever. Right, I'd just 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:20.880 be pieces of them because I didn't feel like I 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.440 could be myself, because I didn't think I was worth anything. 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:26.080 But now I'm kind of I feel like this is 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.000 the first time I've truly been one hundred percent me. 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:29.440 It feels good. 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:31.920 I think you collect your stories, you know, and I 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.000 think it's interesting when you talk about some of those 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:37.480 legends of television that you've probably borrowed from. It's hard 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:39.920 not to let sort of that wash over you. And 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:43.040 I think it's important sometimes to watch other people's work 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:46.439 and borrow certain things that suits you, and then it 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:47.800 still is quite authentic. 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:49.200 Yeah, I think we all do it. We all do 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:50.880 it no matter what job you do. We turn up 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.880 and we put on a version of ourselves, the best 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:57.000 version of ourselves. But when you don't feel like you 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:00.760 are very good, or if you're driven by fear, that 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:04.280 I'm going to fail, or I'm not enough, or they're 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:07.560 going to hate me, or I'm not smart enough. You 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:11.920 tend to put on a manufactured facade, and I was 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:15.520 just I was just wearing a patchwork coat of all 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:19.520 these other personalities, and I'd wear it like a suit 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.000 of armor because I just didn't think I had what 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:24.800 it takes to be able to do it authentically. Until 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.560 now it's kind of nice, you know. Maybe it was 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:30.360 a gold LOGI I don't know. I think that gave 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:34.640 me permission to relax, that maybe I was enough, maybe 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:36.920 I didn't have to be anyone else, And so it 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:39.760 gave me the kind of permission and the comfort to 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.120 just be me. And it was relieving because it had 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:43.760 been exhausting. 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:47.360 It was funny. I went to a friend's place for lunch, 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:49.600 actually someone that you know, Evie Jones, and she had 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:50.360 a friend there. 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:51.080 Gorgeous woman. 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:52.880 Yeah, she was lovely. She said to say hello. She 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.120 rang me before, but we were at her place and 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:57.920 she brought over a girlfriend who read my cards. The 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.160 interesting thing that this person told me was that I 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:03.640 was exhausted by trying to be what I thought other 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:04.800 people wanted me to be. 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:06.199 Uh, huh. 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.800 And that really resonated with me, and I just it 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.240 was almost like she gave me permission at that point 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:14.120 to stop having to try and lift my energy, to 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:17.319 try and impress other people, and to just sit back 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.600 and be myself. And it was just it has been 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:21.880 a relief just to want to be me. 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:24.920 What a beautiful gift. Yeah, And sometimes it takes someone 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:27.440 else to point that out or say that to you 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.320 for your body to believe it. Yeah, I agree, and 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:32.760 you let that set in and it changes your life. 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:33.160 Yeah. 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.480 Yeah, I couldn't have kept functioning, you know, back in 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:37.360 the early day the way I was. I've reached chronic 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:39.680 fatigue before, and I think that was because I was 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.560 exhausted from the act that I was playing, you know. 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.880 I remember Jim Grey, one of his famous sayings is 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:49.840 depression is you need deep rest from the character that 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:51.720 you've been playing, and that you don't want to do 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:53.640 that anymore, or you kind of the energy to do 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:55.839 that anymore. And I think I've been guilty of that. 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.320 And that's just that little little boy again, at little 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:00.400 seven year old, who was just trying to make everyone 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.640 happy and if someone was hurting or feeling down, that 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:07.240 you know, he would try and entertain them better. If 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:08.120 that takes sense. 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.120 Yeah, I mean is very interesting because I think he 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:15.000 grew up from a broken family and he wanted to 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:18.760 make both of his parents I think laugh. I think 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.320 he had a complicated relationship with them both. I think 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:25.040 I believe I'm grabbing that fact, but I just think 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.360 that there's sometimes there's that within us. I think more 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:30.400 more sensitive boys, and we're growing up in those environments. 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.199 We learn that it's a currency to make people laugh, 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:34.720 and it's important currency. 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:38.280 Yeah, a hundredercent agree. I completely agree with you, And 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:41.199 I think that's why I put such value and importance 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.520 on giving everyone who watches your show the best possible 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:48.880 half hour of their lives. Because what a great gift 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:51.000 if you can put a smile on someone's face or 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:54.880 take them away from thinking about, you know, the issues 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:58.000 that they've got going on in their life, give them 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:00.320 some relief from that, even if it was just half 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:03.559 an hour. And what a beautiful privilege to have to 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:06.080 be a part of Deal or no Deal has reached 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:10.080 celebrity status now, I think every star it's out. 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:13.560 That's the plus. Yes, you've got a big budget here. 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:15.439 Maybe they can get your milk crape. That would be 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:19.800 good deals prime Time Celebrity Specials. 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.080 I know how to host showst with the look that 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.119 you've got. I think you're going to open the briefcase 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.720 and drugs are going to fall out. 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:27.880 Deal or No Deal. 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:33.400 Celebrity Specials starts Monday, July twenty two, fin Tenants and Play. 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:36.040 I wanted to ask you a really cheeky question about 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.920 this show though, what's the difference. Did you notice the 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:42.679 difference between talking to the celebrities in this format versus 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:44.920 having your everyday punters on the show? Was there a 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:46.000 tifferent level of energy? 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:49.480 Yeah, obviously some of them are entertainers, so that you know, 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.280 that gives you a pretty easy and instant dynamic to 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:55.800 have fun with. I thought that because the money doesn't 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:59.120 go to them, it goes to charity, that maybe they 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:03.840 might not be he as invested as a regular everyday contentive. 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:07.040 But that wasn't the case. I was surprised at how 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:10.800 they felt the drama, Like even like Tom Gleason, right, 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.200 he can stuff around a lot, like his act is 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:16.680 obviously could be you know, he lampoons everyone. You know, 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:20.160 he insults everyone. He's an asshole. That he's made a 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.240 great living out of playing that character. 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:25.199 Right, so on his shirt, hard quiz. 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.800 You know you only get insults and a twenty dollars 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:31.040 plastic cup at the end if you win. Here we 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:33.680 had quarter of a million dollars, And so I wasn't 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.520 sure if he would buy into the intensity of this, 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.880 but it's obviously he felt it. And then to see 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.199 nice qualities come out of him and kind of feel 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:47.880 the obligation to win big and do the right thing 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:51.880 and have a soul, have some heart. It was kind 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.160 of really refreshing to see him in a slightly different light. 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:56.800 I think he's just used to slinging mud around everywhere, 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.320 but this was kind of it was really playful, you know, 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:02.520 he was he was in my house this time, and 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.640 it was nice to see him squirm, but also nice 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:08.640 to see him, you know, do something nice and pull 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:10.960 off a big win for a great cause. And I 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:14.640 think it surprised him how much fun he had, and 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.000 it surprised him how much he felt for it. 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:20.360 The banter between the two of you is phenomenal. Some 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.400 people might take offense to some of what he says 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:24.920 to people, but you were very quick and you came 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:27.920 back with things. That also is a really hard thing 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:32.040 to do because by nature, when someone throws us something sassy, 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.600 you can easily say something sassy back that can land badly. 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.880 Where with you you continue to throw things back and 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:40.960 forth between the two of you in a way that 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.920 it was still funny. There was nothing mean about what 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:45.560 the two of you were really saying. 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:49.480 And that's a skilling's a rival game show host hate 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.960 one another. And he took a lot to get to 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:55.200 know because he doesn't let his guard down very much. 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:57.360 And you can tell all the rest of the comedians 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:59.960 were afraid of him because no one would pile oft right. 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.360 They all had their guns in the holster like no 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:04.440 one was. No one wants to take him out with 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:06.600 something neat because it's hard to out. 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:10.240 Me the bad guy, right the course, the biggest and 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:11.360 baddest of them all. 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.760 But he and I have history and respect for one another, 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:18.520 and it was playful and it was fun. I didn't 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:20.400 want to I didn't want to hit too hard because 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:23.120 you know I also you want to create the space 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:26.280 so he can perform and he can shine, because when 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.600 he shines, then the whole show wins, right, So I 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:33.080 wanted him to come in own the space just and 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.560 just be Tom. So yeah, I knew he was going 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.120 to take a few hits, and I wanted afraid to 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:40.440 take a few shots in return. 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:42.720 You know, is that your normal relationship is that the 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.040 banter that you guys would normally have. Is that kind 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:46.920 of what gets thrown back and forward when you guys 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.200 run into each other at your industry events. 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:52.560 It is It is now like I have a complicated 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:56.560 relationship with Tom because like back in twenty eighteen, it's 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:00.240 very last minute. He jumped on my gold Logi band 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:05.400 and sort of hijacked the campaign and there's something I 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:08.440 could do or say, and whilst he just used it 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:12.000 as a pr opportunity, you know, for himself, I didn't 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:13.840 really want him to do that, to be honest, I 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.080 thought if I won, well, then people would just think 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:18.440 that it was just because he won it for me, 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:20.440 and so I was I was got a little shirty 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:22.200 at the time. I could see what he was doing. 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.640 He was just maximizing the moment, you know, for himself. 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:27.640 But it sort of made my LOGI win a bit 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.360 complicated because it just there were too many questions and 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:32.360 it was sort of sort of made a little bit 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:36.680 of a mockery of the win, which was sort of, 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:38.040 you know, if you gotta win, I want to win 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:39.400 on my own terms. I don't want to I don't 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.440 want or need any help. And then if if if 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:44.720 I did win, you know, everyone would just say it 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.320 was only just because he he jumped on board. And 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:51.120 so I got over that pretty quick, and we have 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:54.520 a really great relationship now because he's although he looks 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:58.760 very mean spirited, there's a really sweet person deep deep, 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.320 deep down underneath. You have to almost get to the 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:04.120 center of the onion defied that. But he's actually quite 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:07.439 a sweet person in real life. So he gets me, 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:11.800 I get him. We both go about our world very differently, 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:14.040 but we just happened to do the same job. 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:16.199 Do you think it kind of changed the way the 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.040 logis were seen in a way? I think that there 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:19.359 was sort of a bit of a jump the shark 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.800 moment in some of that. And do you think that 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.200 there's still the same respect for the logis, I guess 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:28.320 in some ways. Or do you think it's returned back like. 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.160 It's just it's an industry award and you can't expect 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:34.440 the rest of the country to value it, that it's 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.159 just an industry patting itself on the back. You're not 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.919 saving lives, You're just holding a little gold trophy. But 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:44.120 when Tom said the following year when he wanted, he said, 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:46.600 if you want one of these, then you are a wanker. 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.120 And I just wanted a previous year. And it meant 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.440 the world to me because I've been in television. I 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:55.320 sixteen and I love it with all my heart and 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:58.800 it's given wonderful life. And because I was such a 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.800 pretender my whole life, pretending you know that I knew 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.159 what I was doing, that I was good enough to 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:06.600 do the job, you know, and I finally want it 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:08.760 didn't mean a lot to me, you know. It you know, 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:12.000 brought me to tears, and it was beautiful culmination, you know, 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.320 of a career I'm very proud of. So it really 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:16.199 hurt my feelings when he said, if you want one 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:17.960 of these, yere awanka, And I know he was just 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:19.480 telling jokes and. 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:21.879 Hard to know that though you know, with him, you know, 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.479 like that's his brand, and I give you were to 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:26.520 really sit down and talk to him about that, he 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.399 liked the rest of Australia would have been so happy 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.160 for you for winning that award. I think he would 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:34.680 have been so happy about that as we all were, 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.400