1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: We have been talking about how nineteen eighty four turns 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: forty this year. 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 2: We don't just mean the book, we don't mean the movie. 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 2: We're me in the year. 5 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: And so much happened in nineteen eighty four, not least 6 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: of which Perfect Match launched on our TV screens with 7 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: Greg Evans the host, and he's joining us this morning. 8 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 3: Hello Greg Evans, Good morning Greg. 9 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 4: Hello guys, nice to talk to you. I cannot believe 10 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 4: where did that forty years go? 11 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 3: Oh well, we think we know where an even. 12 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 4: Time time five when you're making love. 13 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: It's it is well, yeah, it's the year I finished school. 14 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: It's it's the amazing. How did you get the hosting 15 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: gig on Perfect Match? You and Dexter Well, I was. 16 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 4: I was working on radio. Of course, radio was my 17 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 4: first love and I was working on a radio station 18 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 4: in Melbourne three MP and Grundy's. The producers of the 19 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 4: show rang me and said, listen, we've got a dating 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 4: show here and we think you might be right for it. 21 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 4: Come up to Sydney and have a book, and I did. 22 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 4: They introduced me to a beautiful lady called deminussem They said, 23 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 4: I said, well, why are me? They said well, Channel 24 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 4: ten have decided they want you. I won some awards, 25 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 4: that's the most popular discopy in Victoria, and so they 26 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 4: picked me, and I left radio and went into television. 27 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: Sensational job, the beautiful diminusm But what was your reaction to? 28 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 2: Oh, and there'll also be a robot. 29 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 4: The robot The funny thing worse that took us about 30 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 4: ten weeks to try and figure out a name. He 31 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,199 Speaker 4: was going to be called Astro, and there was all 32 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 4: sorts of names in the reg Grundy himself came up 33 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 4: with the name Dexter. And it's amazing because now when 34 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 4: people talk to me about Perfect Match forty years ago, 35 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 4: the first question and the most asked question in my 36 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 4: life is where's. 37 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 3: Yes, where is it? We speculated about it this morning. 38 00:01:51,120 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 4: Dexter's in a museum where I should be in Federation 39 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 4: Square in Melbourne and the founded film. 40 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 5: Archived sensational people have a bit of a look mixed 41 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 5: on there in melms. But how much of the show 42 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 5: was scripted or was it all pretty much ad lib 43 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 5: department the stuff you had to do as a host. 44 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 4: No, no, The beautiful part about Perfect Match was that 45 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 4: it was all ad lib. I never used to see 46 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 4: the questions and I never knew what anyone was going 47 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 4: to say, and so that's I think, I think that's 48 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 4: what might have made it, you know, work, because it 49 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 4: was naturally whereas you know, as you know, as you 50 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 4: well know that you know a lot of reality TV 51 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 4: these days is scripted, and that way, you just you 52 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 4: lose to naturalness, don't. 53 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: You you one hundred percent? 54 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: And another great thing about the show, as I recall 55 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: the great prizes, because it was a really nice trip away. 56 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: So I can't imagine you would ever have been short 57 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: on people wanting to audition for the show. 58 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 4: At least that people were bashing the door down on 59 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 4: Perfect Match. So there was a cue from here to 60 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 4: Darwin and the couple. Some of them wanted to go 61 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 4: on because they just wanted to be on TV. Course, 62 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 4: some of them wanted to go on, you know, for 63 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 4: the holiday. Some of them wanted to go on to 64 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 4: find true romance, and they found all of that. There 65 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 4: was eleven marriages as a result of the show. 66 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: Unreal did you always tell when you had the one 67 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: that just wanted to be on TV? And as soon 68 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: as they started talking, you think to yourself, well, we've 69 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: got to love one here natural show off. 70 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: I got to show off. 71 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, And no matter which way it worked, I mean, 72 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 4: if they fell in love, it was pretty good television. 73 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 4: And if they hated each other's guts, it were still 74 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 4: pretty good television. 75 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 3: That's the thing. 76 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 4: Great. 77 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 5: We talk now about the nasty undertimes or even the 78 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 5: obvious nasty stuff on reality dating shows now, but occasionally 79 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 5: they just didn't. 80 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 3: Get on, did they. 81 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 4: That's true? That is true. I reckon. I reckon. About 82 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 4: fifty percent of them became friends, about forty percent of 83 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 4: them or thirty percent, you know, remained in contact, and 84 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 4: about ten percent absolutely disposed. 85 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: Each other for at least they was, as you say, 86 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: clear a little bit more polite. It was just sort 87 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: of an aw It was that awkward returning interview. 88 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: Do you have you had anyone. 89 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: Come up to you and say, oh, you know I 90 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: my parents got together on Perfect Match, And here I am. 91 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely Lisa. They did a show twenty years afterwards 92 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 4: called was There any Romance and a couple that lived 93 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 4: in Humpty do just out of Darwin, Yes, And they 94 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 4: met on the show and they had children and probably 95 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 4: the kids were about fourteen and fifteen had never seen 96 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 4: Perfect match, and so the producers of the show went 97 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 4: back to Humpty Do and put the tape in the 98 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 4: machine and sat the kids on the couch and said, 99 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 4: this is the instant that your mother and father first 100 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 4: set eyes on each other. 101 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 3: Oh you go, and wow, I don't. 102 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 4: Yet to see that. 103 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, it's bizarre. 104 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 5: Hey, Greg, I know you were a celebrate now and 105 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 5: might I've seen some footage of a couple of weddings 106 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 5: that you've done. You are the best in the biz. 107 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 5: But sometimes they liked a bit of the show, a 108 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 5: bit of the vibe from the show, don't they. They 109 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 5: like to integrate. 110 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 4: Well clercy they do. They ask me, you know, continue 111 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 4: bring Dexter and I say, no, he's in a box 112 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 4: in the museum. I can't bring it. One couple actually 113 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 4: made a replica. They got a rubbish tin and a 114 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 4: pretty good replica. But look, these days with weddings, people 115 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 4: just wanted to be relaxed and they want to have 116 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 4: a little bit of fun. And I think most of all, 117 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 4: most important it needs to be entertaining. Having a boring wedding, 118 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 4: is it, you know? Yeah, So that's what I try 119 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 4: and do. Bring a bit of entertainment, and it's all 120 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 4: about the bright and groom, of course, but naturally if 121 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 4: the guests can have a laugh and they enjoy it, it 122 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 4: just sets up the whole night, doesn't it. 123 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 3: Of course? 124 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely being celebrate now and being the host of Perfect Match, 125 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: then you've been in the love business for quite a while. 126 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: Of Course, some potential suitors on Perfect Match had to 127 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: ask some. 128 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: The others behind the screen questions. 129 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: What order a couple of questions that you would advise 130 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: as being the best to ask someone to get to 131 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: know them better and quickly on a date. 132 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 4: Ah, Kevin Bloody Wilson's got a song about that, isn't it. Yes, 133 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 4: you do you smile on first date? You know, by 134 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 4: the way, because you know, because we're perth orientated. There's 135 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 4: been a fair bit of influence from me. I was 136 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 4: inspired by Lionel york many many years the marriage celebrant. 137 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 4: I had the pleasure of walking not my daughter, but 138 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 4: but a young lady down the island. Yorkie was the 139 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 4: celebrant and I thought how absolutely fabulous he was. Yeah, 140 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 4: and then about twenty years later I meet Kevin Bloody 141 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 4: Wilson and he asks me to marry Jenny Target. Yeah, 142 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 4: and so I came over and we did it on 143 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 4: Scarborough Beach at Keev's house and it was keV said 144 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 4: to me, makee you should do that, you know, he said, 145 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 4: people people, people that liked the guy from per Match 146 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 4: to marry him, and that's how it all started. So 147 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 4: I reckon that'd be the first question to a smile 148 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 4: on first date. 149 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 5: That'sal we're going to mention line, because yeah, I'm not 150 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 5: sure if he's still doing them now, but he's done 151 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 5: a lot of weddings in this particularly in person. 152 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 4: Will He was immaculate. He was immaculately dressed, and a 153 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 4: lovely voice like you clazy, that radio voice, and he 154 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 4: was very professional and I was very impressed. 155 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 5: Inspired you sensational. Can you remember from the show itself 156 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 5: from Perfect Match, any times when you thought on the 157 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 5: wheels of falling off or something really funny happened? And 158 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 5: he went, We're not expecting this, producers not expecting this. 159 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there was a couple. We brought them 160 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 4: back and she was dressed like Madonna when they came 161 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 4: back and sat on the couch and she had a 162 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 4: little little whip with her a little like a jockeys 163 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 4: whip and anyway, when the post interview came on, he 164 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 4: had really tipped buckets on her and said she was 165 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 4: she was no, and so he grabbed she grabbed the 166 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 4: little whip and she bashed him across the chest and 167 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 4: he got up up off the couch and he ran 168 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 4: to the studio door and bolted in the car. Gone home. 169 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 4: We'll be right back after this break. 170 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 3: The Dominatrix. 171 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: Did dex does electronics ever go haywire and is spitting 172 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: his arms and wouldn't stop. 173 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, that happened to Lisa. That happened because the set was, 174 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 4: you know, a couple of steps up and one day 175 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 4: he fell off the steps. When he fell over his side, 176 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 4: his arms were going around, it was going and his 177 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 4: battery fell out and he was in all sorts of 178 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 4: was actually the mouthpiece for a real computer. Everyone was 179 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 4: computer matched. I mean it was the infancy of computers 180 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 4: in those days. I think it was a big IBM 181 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 4: thing with you know, reel to reel tapes. Yeah, but 182 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 4: all of their statistics were actually filled in and the 183 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 4: compatibility was match. Yeah, it came back with anything higher 184 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 4: than sixty nine. I think perfect Match a. 185 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: Lot more success than the experts on mass that's for sure, 186 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 1: that's true. 187 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 4: Great, maybe we should do a new show. Farmer wanted 188 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 4: a robot. 189 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: Oh noah, you're talking. 190 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 5: What's the next time I thought about run it through 191 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 5: my well, it seemed. 192 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: Absolutely lovely reminiscing about nineteen eighty four with you today. 193 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 4: Well, I think it's lovely that you're looking back at 194 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 4: the asues were just fantastic. The music in the Yeah, 195 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 4: isn't it unreal? Yes, and just think back on the 196 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 4: aeroplane local domestic aeroplanes had first class and you know, yes, 197 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 4: and it was around in the. 198 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: Year or probably fancy. 199 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a lot of money in the western suburbs. Perfect. Yes, 200 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 5: Greg did to catch up. Lovely to talk to you well. 201 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 4: Claisey, lovely to see you and Lisa. Just beautiful to 202 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 4: talk to you as well. Thanks for thanks for taking 203 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 4: me back and the memories of nineteen eighty four. 204 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 3: Yes, we can play without a bit of the same. 205 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 3: All the best. 206 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: Greg takes it straight back to nineteen eighty four. You 207 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: know what, So much happened in nineteen eighty four. I mean, 208 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: obviously Perfect Match launched, Bob Hawk was prime minister. You know, 209 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: medicare came into effect. It was nineteen eighty four. On 210 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 1: the first of February, the one dollar coin was introduced 211 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: in Australia. 212 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 3: Wow. 213 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty four, electronic scanners at the checkout, yes, 214 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 1: were used for the very first time. And do you 215 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: want to know what the very first product to be 216 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: scanned in Australia on an electronic scanner was a nine 217 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen grand jar of Veggima. 218 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 3: Of course it was. 219 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: They haven't finished it yet too, nine hundred. 220 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 3: Right, they're still going. But that's unrealism. 221 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 2: We should carry this on. 222 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 5: Look, as Greg was talking about there, the music was incredible, 223 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 5: The music was incredible, movies were incredible. You think about 224 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 5: the Australian music scene with the likes of In Excess 225 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 5: and Midnight Oil and Ice House that we played earlier, 226 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,599 Speaker 5: just were absolutely mental as anything, these massive bands and 227 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 5: many of them taking their music to the world as well. 228 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: Let's get back to nineteen to eighty four at the 229 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: same time tomorrow. 230 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, I aint good idea, all right. 231 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: Back it up with some nineteen eighty four music. 232 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 5: I think we should. Yeah, forty years ago hard to believe, 233 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 5: isn't it.