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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was. What a

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Speaker 1: day to be back joining us in the studio this

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Speaker 1: morning from the COLP. Bill Yan, Good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, Katie, and good morning to the top end.

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Speaker 1: And Robin Lamley joining us, the Member for our Loon,

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, thanks for being here.

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Speaker 3: A bit of an Alice Springs line up this morning.

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Speaker 1: I except Matt Cunningham from Sky News, Good morning to

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Speaker 1: you mates, Morning Katie, and we've also got Brent Potter,

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Speaker 1: the Police Minister and the Member for Fanny Bay.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you, Bran.

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Speaker 2: Katie.

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Speaker 4: Is good to have Matt here at the Award Wing journalist.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he's over the accolades. He's sitting very quietly and uncomfortably. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: let's get into it because I tell you what, there

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Speaker 1: has been a lot happened throughout the week and I've

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Speaker 1: been keeping a bit of an eye on things from Tasmania.

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Speaker 3: Yes I am a nerd and well.

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Speaker 1: These changes to public drinking laws have passed the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory Parliament to give police more powers to deal with

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Speaker 1: public drinking in a bid to tackle anti social behavior

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Speaker 1: and reduce alcohol related harm. Now those changes allow police

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Speaker 1: to issue seven day band drinker orders for public drinking

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Speaker 1: or disorderly behavior in high risk areas, and people have

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Speaker 1: got two chances when it comes to breaching the orders,

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Speaker 1: with a third breach triggering a three month alcohol band.

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Speaker 3: Now it's not the only thing that's changed.

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Speaker 1: We now know police are going to be able to

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Speaker 1: check people's IDs, allowing them to also refer people to

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Speaker 1: various treatments, including sobering up shelters. I've got to say,

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Speaker 1: how this was not happening previously is quite mind boggling

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Speaker 1: to me, and something that I'd raised on the show

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Speaker 1: on numerous occasions, and I was told over and over

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Speaker 1: and over again that the two kilometer drinking rule or

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Speaker 1: the you know, not allowed to drink within that two

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Speaker 1: kilometers of a bottle shop, that it was still in place.

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Speaker 1: And then lo and behold last parliamentary sittings, we realized

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Speaker 1: that the Northern Territory government then said, oh no, we

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Speaker 1: did decriminalize it, and now here we go, OK.

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Speaker 3: Well, we are now.

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Speaker 5: Monumental sized with a half pipe the.

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Speaker 6: Part of the practicing their acrobatics this week, I was

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Speaker 6: gonna let everyone go around and just say, and I

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Speaker 6: get to go to it.

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Speaker 2: There's no backflip. You let me explain it for those listeners.

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Speaker 4: Because speaking of this experience, you know what, people need

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Speaker 4: to pull the legislation out sometimes and have a read

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Speaker 4: of it.

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Speaker 1: So legislation had said that it was not a criminal

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Speaker 1: offense to drink in a public place, and so every

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Speaker 1: every time you guys kept saying, well you can't drink

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Speaker 1: within two kilometers of a bottle shop, it was bullshit,

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Speaker 1: weren't really bluntly.

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Speaker 4: So that's very very clear the act of drinking alcohol

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Speaker 4: and the criminality of drinking alkoho in a public place

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Speaker 4: was removed.

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Speaker 2: That's that is correct, But.

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Speaker 3: You're it's a long time to admit to that.

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Speaker 4: I've been on your show, and I think if you

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Speaker 4: bring up every one in my commentary, I've been very

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Speaker 4: clear on it. So I've never seen anything contrary to

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Speaker 4: the opera to that. I've never said anything contrary. I

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Speaker 4: would challenge you to pull up all my pieces on

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Speaker 4: here what i would say. Now, though, we've given police

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Speaker 4: the power that when they're engaging with someone who does

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Speaker 2: Anywhere in Darwin.

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Speaker 4: Catherine Alice Springs Tenant Creek, that they have the power

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Speaker 4: to arrest someone to find out who they are and

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Speaker 4: the reason we're doing it. We don't want to criminalize

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Speaker 4: the act of having a drink because, and this is

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Speaker 4: a contrast, the CLP do want to criminalize that piece.

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Speaker 2: That is true. That is exactly what the bill.

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Speaker 5: Let me finish.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to get to the point where it becomes criminal, Robin,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to get to the point.

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Speaker 5: When it becomes criminals.

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Speaker 2: It isn't splitting hairs. This is a policy differentiation.

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Speaker 4: Then is this is a policy difference between two parties

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Speaker 4: as we get to elections, that the listeners understand that

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Speaker 4: we won't criminalize drinking in a public place because that

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Speaker 4: means everyone that has to drink, everyone at each point

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Speaker 4: would have to be treated the same, and that's putting

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Speaker 4: mums and dads at the same as a problem drink

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Speaker 4: at ten o'clock in the morning. That's the other legislation.

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Speaker 4: What we're saying is when you're given a cord order,

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Speaker 4: a parole order, a DVO or a warrant, we need

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Speaker 4: give it, they can arrest you, take you in to

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Speaker 4: determine who you are, and in many instances we're going

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Speaker 2: People reaching out.

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Speaker 7: There's no offense. I just tipped the grog out and

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Speaker 2: No, there is hod on.

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Speaker 4: There is a consequence though, they'll go on the BDR

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Speaker 4: for seven days and we'll continue. The reason we brought

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Speaker 4: that in You why we've done that because I think

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Speaker 4: this is put the person on the BDR, make it

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Speaker 1: Look, I'll give you some leniency because obviously you've only

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Speaker 1: been the police minister for a short time, but the

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Speaker 1: community has been calling out for this for a long time.

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Speaker 3: People have been going, well, hang on a sec.

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Speaker 1: You keep telling us that people can't be intoxicated and

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Speaker 1: doing criminal things around the place. We kept being told

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Speaker 1: that over and over again, but it was continuing to happen.

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Speaker 3: So for the general members of the public.

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Speaker 1: They were going, you're telling us one thing, but the

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Speaker 1: other seems to be happening on.

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Speaker 2: The street, that's not true. Section forty SI seven the

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Speaker 2: Summary Offenses out.

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Speaker 1: That there's people can behaving in an anti social way

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Speaker 4: Saying that behavior is already contained with the Summary Offenses

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Speaker 4: Act for Disorderly Conduct, which is two thousand dollars fine

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Speaker 4: and six months.

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Speaker 5: Imprisonment criminalizing drugts.

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Speaker 2: That's been there for years, four years.

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Speaker 4: The behavior, the behavior, disorderly conduct, the behavior.

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Speaker 6: Listening to Nathan fin on Radio this morning, Ali Springs,

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Speaker 6: he's saying that the seven day BDAS is effectively nearly

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Speaker 6: this before they bought the legislation.

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Speaker 2: That question, he.

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Speaker 5: Said that the BDR is completely useless.

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Speaker 8: Well, I've said for like eight years that the BDR

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Speaker 7: Since then we've all seen what happened in alcohol fueld assaults.

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Speaker 8: And hospital presentations, which are the real measure of success

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Speaker 8: brought it back in twenty seventeen and six years later

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Speaker 7: Fueld assaults through the roof.

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Speaker 8: So there is not a sceric of evidence that says

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Speaker 7: So I know it's part of us suite of policies,

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Speaker 7: but it just no one can buy three ten s

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Speaker 6: The b tour is right, it's one part, but said

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Speaker 6: we need to be dealing with the person.

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Speaker 7: We need to be treating the person.

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Speaker 1: In all the announcements that were made by the Northern

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Speaker 1: have seen is there have been a number of different announcements.

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Speaker 3: One of those in.

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Speaker 1: Particular has really upset the hospitality industry because they were

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Speaker 1: be ten am, it's going to be midday. Now. I

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Speaker 1: absolutely no impact on their lives. It would have no

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Speaker 1: people that work in bottle shops. It's going to have

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Speaker 6: Well just so he was given a promise that there

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Speaker 4: Off every bit saying answered two things before I get

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Speaker 4: onto Alex Bruce and absolutely can talk to hospitality and

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Speaker 4: tea Bill. You're saying they need rehabilitation, so with your legislation,

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Speaker 4: they will be criminalized. And there is a pathway to prison,

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Speaker 4: and we don't want to try to imprison seeing that

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Speaker 4: hold on, Robin, you'll get your chance in the second.

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Speaker 4: You've worked in the prisons builds. You understand that drunk

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Speaker 4: shouldn't be in prison. You've said that before as well. Absolutely,

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Speaker 4: and man mandatory alcohol treatment programs didn't work the BDA.

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Speaker 4: You're right, it probably hasn't been as effective as it

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Speaker 4: needs to. We're making change to make it to make

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Speaker 4: it more effective. But let's be really clear. When someone's

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Speaker 4: on the BDR they can't go and buy it. Secondary

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Speaker 4: supply and this gives them the opportunity to bring those secondary.

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Speaker 9: Supply individually negates the competitory supply.

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Speaker 4: The detection threshold where police can get it out Springs,

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Speaker 4: and we increase the secondary supply, Robin.

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Speaker 9: And I know that secondary supply absolutely negates any potential effectiveness.

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Speaker 5: So the band drink is reached.

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Speaker 4: That's secondary supplies. A criminal offense with one hundred penalty

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Speaker 8: Well, and there are all seeds of a report that was

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Speaker 8: anecdotal evidence that the BDR was leading to an increase

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Speaker 8: in property crime because people who were on the BDR

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Speaker 8: So I think not only as a BDR not worked,

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Speaker 8: but I think they have been property crime and I

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Speaker 8: think it needs a proper independent review, not from someone who's.

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Speaker 7: Already thinks the BDR is a great thing.

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Speaker 8: I think we need to go out and find someone

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Speaker 8: I don't know who or if the person exists, who

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Speaker 8: can do an absolute independent review of the bd R

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Speaker 8: and tell us whether it works or not. And I

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Speaker 8: been anything but a success.

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Speaker 1: Pretty confident that the government is not going to do

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Speaker 1: that in the lead into an election as well.

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Speaker 3: Mac on the.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, yesterday in that press the man, we're pretty

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Speaker 7: It's astronomical. You see the stuff that's going on in town.

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Speaker 6: I have people bring it to me and I've passed

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Speaker 7: It's at a point now where police are having.

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Speaker 6: A age difficulty dealing with it that there's just so

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Speaker 6: It's yeah, it's this has been driven by the restrictions

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Speaker 7: I think the BDR should go.

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Speaker 2: Then come on Bell position now and I think we've

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Speaker 6: Can I've always said that the BDR doesn't go far enough,

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Speaker 7: Always been saying that.

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Speaker 6: For a kid who's found on the streets in the

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Speaker 6: the BDR. We need to look at how the BDR

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Speaker 2: Which is what's already happening. So you've literally just confirm

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Speaker 9: Waste precious government resources on a strategy called the band

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Speaker 9: Drinkers Register that is ineffective. Why wouldn't you move on

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Speaker 3: And I'll call it.

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Speaker 1: I think it's because they're tinkering around the edges at

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Speaker 4: Courageous, right like, And I'm not saying we're in any way,

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Speaker 9: Being courageous, spreads courageous five.

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Speaker 4: Words, and I just said that I wasn't saying it

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Speaker 9: Treatment was courageous. It was the most courageous policy the review.

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Speaker 9: Read the review. I read the review because half of

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Speaker 9: the whole thing. But in twenty twelve when we implemented it,

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Speaker 9: it was the most courageous, unprecedented strategy or initiative looking

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Speaker 2: At the time, I think it's in the eye of

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Speaker 4: But what I would say is last Christmas, when the

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Speaker 4: and I could acknowledge that it was acknowledged Christmas between

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Speaker 5: Still to come and shake you up and so wake

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Speaker 5: up to you, sir Rebin.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing to yell. We're in the same room. And

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Speaker 9: This year and need to be patronized by year brain.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well you yell.

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Speaker 4: So we get to Christmas this year, we've got advice

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Speaker 4: We've seen significant numbers for people from Central Desert region

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Speaker 4: we don't have alcohol restrictions. We've seen a spike in

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Speaker 9: Do you really know what you're talking about? Have you

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Speaker 9: When you've got a good you're talking out of your bum.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm talking to the facts. Robin.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, one thing is certain.

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Speaker 1: The text line is going absolutely off this morning.

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Speaker 3: People are very glad that the show is back, but

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Speaker 3: it's not. Look, it's not the only thing.

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Speaker 8: Question because you dismissed minatary alcohol treatment. But the Police

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Speaker 8: a health response to public junkness. Right, and this is

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Speaker 8: this seems to be like a view of cross the board.

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Speaker 8: You know, we shouldn't criminalize that. We need a health

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Speaker 8: response well, isn't mandatary alcohol treatment the response? I mean,

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Speaker 8: then when I asked the Police Comission of that question,

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Speaker 8: why do we dismiss mandatory alcohol treatment out of hand

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Speaker 4: Because we don't do it for any other drugs, because

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Speaker 4: you know, someone has to voluntarily want to get off

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Speaker 5: We do it for volatile substances.

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Speaker 9: Hold on, let me treatment for substances question, because what

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Speaker 4: Okay, Robin, Look what I would say is we need

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Speaker 9: Have you been in government seven and a half years

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Speaker 9: and what have you done in this space, Zip.

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Speaker 7: I'll talk to what I've done in this space for

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Speaker 1: Well, look again, I will say that there has been

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Speaker 1: You know, I think we need to give people the

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Speaker 1: And sometimes I think you do have to step away

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Speaker 1: So again, I will say, you know, all of these

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Speaker 1: But at the moment, we're just like we are struggling.

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Speaker 6: Were where are we at, Katie, as a community when

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Speaker 7: And it's pretty sad that we've actually had to get

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Speaker 2: Well, we're not the only state bills are.

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Speaker 4: Just to clarify for your listeners, Katie, the WA has

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Speaker 4: a discussion I've had with the NTPR. I'm in agreement

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Speaker 7: I happened delivered in All Springs. Mate again this morning.

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Speaker 6: It was highlight after the Prime Minister and achievements that

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Speaker 2: So let me just go.

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Speaker 5: Radio this morning saying that we have.

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Speaker 4: We have been given the money to hire thirty officers

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Speaker 5: We need to check itsuary.

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Speaker 2: Do you know the capacity of the college to.

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Speaker 5: Track it down from where we were.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a very simple thing to say that.

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Speaker 5: Radio Alice Springs.

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Speaker 4: Graduated one hundred and seven OFSS last year. We're going

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Speaker 4: We're continuing to recruit above atrition. Don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 4: I don want to see a single loss of leave,

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Speaker 1: Look, we are going to catch up with Nathan Finn

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Speaker 1: from Jerry Wood. It says mandatory alcohol detention was a

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Speaker 1: good Samaritan law that tried to help people out of

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Speaker 9: Reckon It's Jen Jerry, because I feel very proud of

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Speaker 9: the fact that I was the minister who rolled that

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Speaker 9: Yes it didn't necessarily solve their drinking problems, but it

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Speaker 1: Robin, do you think that that is the kind of

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Speaker 9: Like that in the Northern territory. I think change it,

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Speaker 9: people are saying we have to have a health response

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Speaker 9: is irresponse.

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Speaker 6: It can't be dismissed out of hand. We can't keep

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Speaker 6: doing the same thing and expect different results. We said

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Speaker 6: we need to make some changes, We need to make

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Speaker 6: some hard decisions, and we need to deal with the

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Speaker 6: problem drunks rather than actually deal with the product.

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Speaker 2: And that's what I seem to do, is deal with

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Speaker 2: the product.

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Speaker 4: That's the pros that is going to be a different

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Speaker 4: differentiator between us and the SEALP going into the election.

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Speaker 4: We do have forty beds in the sobering upshelter and

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Speaker 4: forty four rehab. There is definitely plans of foot we

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Speaker 4: can look at how can we get more people from

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Speaker 4: sobering up walking across into the rehab.

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Speaker 3: But I got't want to do it.

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Speaker 5: Themselves voluntarily across the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm talking.

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Speaker 4: About the one in Darwin and when we talk about

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Speaker 4: people well and get the details the one if there's

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Speaker 4: for the stuff in Alice Springs. But what I would

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Speaker 4: say is if someone doesn't want to be rehabilitated, well

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Speaker 4: then they're not going to get the outcome that we need.

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Speaker 4: We need voluntary so that the plan needs to beat.

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Speaker 3: That they love them on the streets.

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying is when they get taken to

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Speaker 4: the sobering up shelter, the intent behind that is that

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Speaker 4: when they become sober the next day, that discussion has

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Speaker 4: had through Mission Australia at the moment to come over

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Speaker 4: and do rehab. So we want to get them at

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Speaker 4: a time when they're actually thinking clearly to say come

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Speaker 4: and do voluntary rehab.

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Speaker 9: All right, we take drunks three months to think clearly.

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Speaker 9: That's the evidence. That was the a medical evidence.

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Speaker 4: Those same people are constantly going to the sobering ups shelter.

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Speaker 4: They're not unknown to the staff there and every engagement

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Speaker 4: has had there with the same people, but forcing someone

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Speaker 4: into treatment doesn't get the outcome.

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Speaker 3: We are going to have to take a very short break.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was. Well, if you've just

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Speaker 1: joined us, iron back and the week that was is

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Speaker 1: back in the studio with us this morning.

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Speaker 3: We've got Brent.

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Speaker 1: Potter, Matt Cunningham, Robin Lamley and Bill Yan and I

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Speaker 1: tell you what.

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Speaker 3: It's been a.

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Speaker 1: Massive week by the look of things, and the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory well Northern Territory labor MPs have accused the Country

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Speaker 1: Liberal Party throughout the week of demonizing Aboriginal people over

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Speaker 1: its opposition to an Indigenous voice to Parliament. So the

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Speaker 1: colp's parliamentary leader has described the criticism as gutter politics

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Speaker 1: from a government that's desperate to hold on to power.

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Speaker 1: That is according to a report by Matt Cunningham, who

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Speaker 1: was in the studio with us.

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Speaker 3: Matt, what exactly happened?

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Speaker 8: Well, I thought it was interesting on Tuesday in question

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Speaker 8: time Katie, because obviously the government is trying to bring

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Speaker 8: itself back to the center in Darwin and Palmerston and

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Speaker 8: Alice Springs because I think it's worried that it's got

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Speaker 8: a crime issue. Yet at the same time, in question time,

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Speaker 8: it was really going in the other direction and attacking

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Speaker 8: the CLP. So what it was doing it was getting

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Speaker 8: its Aboriginal backbenches d Ran Young and Manuel Brown to

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Speaker 8: ask questions of the Attorney General and the Infrastructure Minister.

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Speaker 8: And then they were basically getting up and calling this

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Speaker 8: LP paraphrasing here, but calling them a bunch of racists

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Speaker 8: because they opposed the Voice and they're opposing treaty. So

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Speaker 8: to me, it seemed that like it feels to me

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Speaker 8: like labor is trying to tell one story to people

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Speaker 8: in Darwin and Palmerston. You know, we're cracking down on

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Speaker 8: Aboriginal people who are engaged in antisocial behavior, public drunkenness,

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Speaker 8: et cetera. And yet you know, they're sort of talking

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Speaker 8: out the other side of their mouth, sort of trying

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Speaker 8: to say to people in the Bush because as we know,

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Speaker 8: they're trying to come after your seat, Bill and they

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Speaker 8: think they're a chance of winning back Steve Edgington's Sea

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Speaker 8: to Barkley and so I think that at the same

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Speaker 8: time they're trying to say, you know, this, the CLP

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Speaker 8: over here a bunch of racists. They opposed the Voice

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Speaker 8: to Parliament, they opposed treaty, you know, and therefore you shouldn't,

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Speaker 8: you know, if you're an Aboriginal person, you shouldn't vote

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Speaker 8: for them in a pink fit.

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Speaker 7: So you know, that was basically the crux of the story.

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Speaker 8: I just thought it was interesting to watch what the

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Speaker 8: labor strategy was in question Time around that, and then

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Speaker 8: I think it happened. I wasn't watching, but I did

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Speaker 8: see one clip yesterday from I think it was in

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Speaker 8: question Time where Chancey Pake, the Attorney General, called Joe

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Speaker 8: Hersey a racist, homophobic bigot or something along those lines,

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Speaker 8: and then Ushink was eventually forced to withdraw the comment.

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Speaker 6: The behavior this week has been is pretty appalling, and

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Speaker 6: it has been absolute guard to politics. It seems that

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Speaker 6: the whole deal was and I think a number of

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Speaker 6: people have hit it on the head that if you

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Speaker 6: don't agree with labor, they'll come out.

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Speaker 7: And call you a racist.

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Speaker 6: John pretty upset about that too, because I represent a

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Speaker 6: bush electric I'm pretty close to the people out in

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Speaker 6: the bush and for.

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Speaker 7: To be labeled by labor as a racist. It really

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Speaker 7: really gets up to it.

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Speaker 8: Do you think they built I mean, I haven't looked

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Speaker 8: at the booths in your electric closely, but most in

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Speaker 8: most Aboriginal communities they've ated strongly in favor of the voice.

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Speaker 8: Do you think the fact that the CLP opposed the

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Speaker 8: voice could hurt you at the next territory election.

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Speaker 6: Labor will certainly be using it against just during the election,

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Speaker 6: I have absolutely no doubt about that. But when you

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Speaker 6: look at the boost out in the bush, the turnout

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Speaker 6: was really real. It was really low, and particularly leading

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Speaker 6: in to the referendum and talking to people out in

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Speaker 6: the bush, most of my communities were pretty well split

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Speaker 6: down the middle.

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Speaker 7: Some supported that, some didn't.

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Speaker 6: And I look, and I can't say for certain, but

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Speaker 6: when people particularly so, I.

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Speaker 8: Think the people who didn't vote were people who didn't

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Speaker 8: support it.

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Speaker 6: I think so because when people don't support something, particularly

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Speaker 6: people out in the bush, You're like, I don't agree

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Speaker 6: with that, I'm not going to go out and vote.

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Speaker 4: So just because I'm test to that. The question was Bill,

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Speaker 4: do you think it will hurt you? And the answer

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Speaker 4: is no, you don't believe it will.

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Speaker 6: I'm saying I have no doubt the labor are going

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Speaker 6: to use it against myself in Edgington and any serial

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Speaker 6: p member who runs in the bush.

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Speaker 7: I have absolutely no doubt.

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Speaker 1: In the process, I wonder what political impact it's going

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Speaker 1: to have on labor then in urban areas where people

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Speaker 1: are going hang on a second, you're telling us one

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Speaker 1: thing and.

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Speaker 8: That's in their strategy. And Brent will disagree with me,

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Speaker 8: but this is my take on their strategy. They want

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Speaker 8: people in Darwen and Palmerston to hear as much from

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Speaker 8: this bloke on my left as they possibly can, because

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Speaker 8: I reckon, you know, he resonates pretty well with them,

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Speaker 8: and they want people in the bush. I mean, I

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Speaker 8: reckon they'll be cutting up the clips of Chancey and

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Speaker 8: Joel and they'll be sending them out to people in

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Speaker 8: the bush going, oh, I have a look at this

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Speaker 8: in Parliament.

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Speaker 7: I reckon. They're sort of trying to tell two stories

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Speaker 7: at the moment, which.

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Speaker 3: Is always a tough juggle.

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Speaker 1: You know, it works to some degree, but it's going

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Speaker 1: to be a tough juggle and you know you run

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Speaker 1: the risk of ending up with no credibility whatsoever if

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Speaker 1: you're saying one thing to one group of people and

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Speaker 1: to another group.

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Speaker 4: Of what I said on your show, I think when

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Speaker 4: we're doing it the voices, I would never tell anyone

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Speaker 4: how to vote. And at the end of the day,

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Speaker 4: that was a referendum for a reason. Everyone had their

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Speaker 4: own decision to make and I was never going to

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Speaker 4: tell someone one way or the other. And PERHP got

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Speaker 4: up just over fifty percent and lad Miller didn't.

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Speaker 2: But from my perspective, the referendum's done.

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Speaker 4: We now need just need to move on from personally,

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Speaker 4: just need to move on and deal with costly men crime.

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Speaker 9: That yeah, from the perspective of your colleagues that we

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Speaker 9: saw in Parliament this week, that is not the view

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Speaker 9: of your colleagues.

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Speaker 5: Having a bed each way.

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Speaker 9: They're using the race card, which I always think is

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Speaker 9: incredibly desperate. It's pretty underhanded. The way that they were

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Speaker 9: carrying on was quite vile and derogatory. The rant from

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Speaker 9: chasey Peik, the Attorney General in Parliament yesterday was just

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Speaker 9: gobsmackingly rude and disrespectful, and it's all about using a

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Speaker 9: race card to win votes.

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Speaker 4: What I would say is the discussion that came up

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Speaker 4: was in relation to a question around the Antidiscrimination Act,

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Speaker 4: which you guys have said you repeal, and that obviously

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Speaker 4: gets certain people on our side quite emotional because they

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Speaker 4: are from particular demographics that that bill is there to

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Speaker 4: help protect. What I would say at the end of

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Speaker 4: the day that no one was called a racist, and

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Speaker 4: if that was happened, I believe.

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Speaker 8: Was it said clearly I didn't hear that. That's fine,

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Speaker 8: not on Tuesday. No one was called directly a racist

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Speaker 8: on Tuesday. I think the comment from Joel Bowden on

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Speaker 8: Tuesday was that the CLP ostracizes and demonizes Aboriginal people.

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Speaker 8: And the comment from Chancey Paike is that the seal

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Speaker 8: is that Aboriginal people under a CELP government won't have

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Speaker 8: a seat at the table.

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Speaker 7: They will be they'll be on the menu. That was

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Speaker 7: That was.

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Speaker 2: The represents a very strong and very strong.

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Speaker 9: And he's the first law Officer of the Northern Territory

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Speaker 9: to hear the first law officer, the Attorney General of

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Speaker 9: the Northern Territory make those sorts of statements in Parliament

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Speaker 9: about people being racist and homophobic and bigoted.

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Speaker 5: Is really so.

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Speaker 4: Jump in because you're not immune from some of the

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Speaker 4: comments you make about people on that floor, Robin, and

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Speaker 4: you've been asked.

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Speaker 5: To attract quote quote me.

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Speaker 4: I'm more than happy to get the stuff you said

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Speaker 4: about the Deputy Chief Minister on that floor and have

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Speaker 4: been as attract has been discussing before as well.

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Speaker 2: And what so what I'm saying.

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Speaker 9: I think you're making things up brand if I'm more

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Speaker 9: than there is bloody for what I'll say is.

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Speaker 1: I think if you're trying to make a point and

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Speaker 1: you've got to lower yourself to derogatory comments to to

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Speaker 1: somebody else, it's you know, it's very hard to get

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Speaker 1: your point across, and it shows that you're not actually

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Speaker 1: able to articulate it well you know whoever and wherever

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Speaker 1: that is. But particularly when you're talking about things like

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Speaker 1: the voice, you know, to call people racist because you're

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Speaker 1: not able to get your point across, I don't think.

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Speaker 3: The right way.

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Speaker 8: There's a certain irony as well, when when what's being

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Speaker 8: debated are laws that are supposed to stop people making

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Speaker 8: offensive and insulting comments, and.

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Speaker 2: That is to unleasure. Heaps no doubt about that.

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Speaker 4: It's not the only specifically what he said, but if

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Speaker 4: he called someone a racist and he wasn't ass attract

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Speaker 4: that's that's he was.

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Speaker 9: He was asked by Joe Hersey to retract and he said,

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Speaker 9: I will retract biggoted racist and then he said, but

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Speaker 9: I'll call the CELP that So he didn't really retract

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Speaker 9: anything and he was allowed to get away.

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Speaker 1: Well, and look, it's not the only thing that's happened

668
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Speaker 1: in Parliament in terms of some of that chaotic behavior

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Speaker 1: by the look of things. Late Wednesday, when the Labor

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Speaker 1: government turned well on Speaker Mark Monahan after a row

671
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Speaker 1: over verv, after a row of some fancy champagne.

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Speaker 9: What happened this was incredible, Katie the Member for Drystar.

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Speaker 9: The Education Minister was interjecting while the Opposition leader was

674
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Speaker 9: speaking to the point where she was told to shut up.

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Speaker 9: She didn't, and it was about comments about verve. The

676
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Speaker 9: Opposition leader tried to paraphrase what the Education Minister was

677
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 9: rattling on about and she said, I think she said

678
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Speaker 9: something like I think the Education Minister wants to have

679
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Speaker 9: a glass of verve.

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Speaker 5: The place erupted.

681
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 9: Lawla was thrown out and one by one the Labor

682
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 9: Minister stood up and argued with the Speaker about throwing

683
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Speaker 9: Lawla out to the point where minister. Our kid then

684
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Speaker 9: attempted to dissent against the speaker. I've been in that

685
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 9: place for thirteen years. I have never seen anyone attempt

686
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Speaker 9: to descent against the speakers.

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Speaker 5: That is a big move.

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Speaker 9: It was so incredibly disrespectful, but so incredibly entertaining Katie

689
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 9: because it was.

690
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Speaker 5: Dysfunction. They all lost their shit and it was incredible.

691
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Speaker 4: So what I would say is that people are blowing it.

692
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Speaker 4: I wasn't on the floor right, so I'll own I

693
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Speaker 4: missed it all come out afterwards. What I would say

694
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Speaker 4: is that it was from what I'm told, it was

695
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Speaker 4: dissent in relation to the ruling by the speaker. Well, no, no,

696
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Speaker 4: but you would agree there are two things that relate

697
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Speaker 4: to the speaker. The first one is an emotion no

698
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 4: confidence or descent into ruling. And let's be clear, yesterday,

699
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Speaker 4: for example, on my two bills, at the end of it,

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Speaker 4: the Member for Mulka put a descent on record that

701
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Speaker 4: he didn't support the outcome of the vote.

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Speaker 2: And so it does happened.

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Speaker 5: What are you talking about relating all this to the Member.

704
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Speaker 10: For Moor, your members against your speaker, your labor speaker.

705
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Speaker 5: You turned on him.

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Speaker 9: The poor Blake was sitting there, white, shrunk before our

707
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Speaker 9: very eyes, thinking, these guys, my.

708
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Speaker 2: Friends are making a story, Robin.

709
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Speaker 5: But I guess I was there.

710
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Speaker 2: Politics that we turned on him.

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Speaker 4: It was over the ruling to remove even now I

712
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 4: wasn't in the room, so I didn't I wasn't even

713
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Speaker 4: involved in it. But what I would say is that

714
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Speaker 4: there's no grander story of turning on the speaker.

715
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Speaker 8: I'd make three quick observations. I had three in my

716
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Speaker 8: head and.

717
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 7: One.

718
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Speaker 8: Labor in twenty sixteen promised as part of their restoring

719
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Speaker 8: integrity government and independent speaker.

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Speaker 7: We don't have one anymore.

721
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Speaker 8: Now there and now they're trying to move motions to overrule.

722
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Speaker 7: Their own speaker.

723
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Speaker 8: So that's a pretty extraordinary turn of events over seven years.

724
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Speaker 8: Two I can't remember, and three and three. One of

725
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Speaker 8: the observations that I've heard made since, and I don't

726
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Speaker 8: I don't have this knowledge myself, but I have heard

727
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 8: it discussed by others is that there may be some

728
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 8: disquiet in the Labor camp about the fact that Mark

729
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 8: Monaghan was overlooked for the two cabinets speaker cabinet positions

730
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Speaker 8: by Brent and Joel, who were promoted above.

731
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Speaker 7: I don't know.

732
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Speaker 8: Whether that is what's going on, but it seemed to

733
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Speaker 8: be there did seem to be.

734
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Speaker 1: Some Look, we are going to have to take a

735
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Speaker 1: very short break. You are listening to the week that

736
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Speaker 1: wasn't in the studio this morning. We've got Billy and

737
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Speaker 1: Robin Lamley, Matt Cunningham and Brent Potter and tell you

738
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: what well I did not while I was away that

739
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: there was a poll conducted nine months out from the

740
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Speaker 1: next Northern Territory election and found that the Labor government

741
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: is less than half as popular as the Country Liberal Party.

742
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: I believe that you had reported on this. Six hundred

743
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: territorians in Darwin, Ala Springs and some rural areas were

744
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: surveyed for the poll between November sixteen and eighteen. It

745
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Speaker 1: was conducted by Melbourne based company Redbridge. I got the

746
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Speaker 1: phone call the day before I left or Yeah, for Tasmania.

747
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: I got one of those phone calls and I thought, oh.

748
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Speaker 3: Hang on a sec this has been conducted.

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Speaker 1: First off, I thought, oh, it's been conducted by the

750
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Speaker 1: Labor Party, and I thought, oh, hang on, this has

751
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Speaker 1: been conducted by the COLP.

752
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 3: Then I thought hang on a second.

753
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Speaker 1: As some more of the questions got asked, I thought

754
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Speaker 1: it must be you know, some kind of of not

755
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: community group, but some kind of organization maybe looking to

756
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: find some more information out about about domestic violence funding

757
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: and that kind of thing, because a lot of the

758
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Speaker 1: questions were really quite extensive, you know, there was like

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of questions asked. It wasn't just

760
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Speaker 1: too are you going to vote for or you know

761
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Speaker 1: what political part. There was a lot of questions about

762
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: police resourcing and all sorts of things. So I find

763
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Speaker 1: it quite fascinating now the result that's come through. I

764
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Speaker 1: know that polls, you know, can mean very little at

765
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Speaker 1: different times.

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Speaker 3: But Matt, what did you make of it?

767
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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 8: I did speak to kas Samaras, who conducted the poll

769
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Speaker 8: for red Bridge. He's a former labor strategist, and I

770
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Speaker 8: did ask him who had commissioned the poll because and

771
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Speaker 8: I did ask him why there was the focus on

772
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Speaker 8: social services. But he did say that Redbridge commissioned the

773
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Speaker 8: pole itself, and he said it would do a couple

774
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Speaker 8: more before the next election. And it's interesting because we

775
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 8: don't often get piling here. I mean, it's you know,

776
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Speaker 8: I mean, there's a few caveats with the Pole one.

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Speaker 8: You know, really the only polled people in Darwen and

778
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Speaker 8: Alice Springs. It's difficult to poll people in the bushes,

779
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Speaker 8: we know, although he did say that he had a

780
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Speaker 8: really high pick up rate. He said when they poll

781
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Speaker 8: in other states and territories, a lot of people just

782
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Speaker 8: hang up the phone straight away when they know it's

783
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Speaker 8: a polster, whereas here most most people he said that

784
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 8: they spoke to were keen to answer the questions. And

785
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Speaker 8: he thought that was because we don't have poll for Tea.

786
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 8: We're not getting those calls all the time. And maybe

787
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 8: it's because we don't get polled a lot. You know,

788
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 8: people are keen to have their say. It was six

789
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 8: hundred and one people with a margin of era of

790
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 8: five point four percent, So I mean, you know, you

791
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 8: need to put all those caveats in place, and you

792
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 8: also need to remember, you know, the advantage of incumbency

793
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 8: here in the Northern Territory. If you're a good local member,

794
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 8: you can work your electorate and even if your parties

795
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 8: on the nase, you can still win. But I think

796
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Speaker 8: the numbers were a bit of a worry for Labor

797
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 8: and I actually think they've been a little bit rattled

798
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Speaker 8: by them in the last week.

799
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Speaker 1: Very keen to hear from our listeners this morning centers

800
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: a message if you like, let us know what electorate

801
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: you're in and who are you going to vote for.

802
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: 'll be keen to get a bit of an idea

803
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Speaker 1: of how people are feeling out there.

804
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 3: I mean, Brent, was it a surprise.

805
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: I think you shouldn't be a shocked anyone when you

806
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 2: get polling.

807
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 4: I think what it should be is when you get

808
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 4: polling like this, you know you need to take you

809
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 4: need to look at how the poll has been conducted.

810
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 4: I think what I'm more concerned about is any polls

811
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 4: that come closer to the election we're getting to the

812
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 4: end of the year. I think there was some discrepancies

813
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 4: in the poll, but I wouldn't use that as a

814
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 4: reason to discredit. I think we just need to take

815
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 4: it that we need to do better in certain areas,

816
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 4: but it doesn't detract, at least personally from me as

817
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 4: the minister, what I'm focused on, and that's reducing crime.

818
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 6: I think the polls a reflection of how this Labor

819
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 6: government's been doing during this term, and I think if

820
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 6: you've got to look at it in the bigger picture too,

821
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 6: said I had in the last twenty two years Labor

822
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 6: have been in power, and we've seen where we've gone

823
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 6: from two thousand and one to where we are now.

824
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 6: There's been an increase and steady increase in crime. You

825
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 6: just got to look at our budget and said we're

826
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 6: we're forecasts will be ten point one.

827
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 7: Three billion dollars in debt and people have had enough.

828
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 7: You should be ham and Haes. Then Bill?

829
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Speaker 6: Should you oh certain politics?

830
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Speaker 7: Matt, we know that droves dog? Is it? What's that? Well?

831
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Speaker 7: Do you think the people win the next election?

832
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 5: No?

833
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 6: No, I can't sit here and say I'd love to

834
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 6: see her and say we're going to win the next election.

835
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 6: We've got work to do and we'll be working hard

836
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 6: to make sure that we're providing alternative government for territories

837
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 6: because that's what.

838
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 7: We need to do. I don't think we can survive

839
00:36:59,080 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 7: another four years of blow.

840
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Speaker 9: I think the Labor Party should be extremely worried about

841
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 9: that polling result. Yes, it's early days and things can

842
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 9: twist around, but I think what we saw over the

843
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 9: last week in Parliament, the behavior of the Labor members

844
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 9: would indicate very clearly to most people that they are rattled,

845
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 9: they're worried, and they're starting to unravel.

846
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Speaker 1: Now, Matt, I know you're right about this on the weekend,

847
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: and well you certainly mentioned this on the weekend and

848
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: said that, you know, elections are not often decided upon

849
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: based on crime. But I think what we've seen over

850
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Speaker 1: the last couple of years, and again you're right about

851
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: this as well, is it's not just sort of been crime,

852
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: but it's been that real element of people not feeling

853
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: personally safe anymore, and that personal safety really seeping into

854
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: people's everyday lives. So I do wonder what kind of

855
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Speaker 1: impact that is going to have.

856
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 3: But what we're going to.

857
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: See in urban areas and then what we're going to

858
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Speaker 1: see out in the bush. And you know, let's be honest,

859
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Speaker 1: I've only got a few weeks left now until the

860
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: end of the year the last parliament has sat for

861
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: the we step into you know, January February next year,

862
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Speaker 1: it is election mode.

863
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Speaker 8: Yeah, And the point that you make about crime and elections,

864
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Speaker 8: I think there is this great myth in the Northern

865
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 8: Territory that Northern Territory elections are won and lost on

866
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 8: crime and whichever party can be toughest on crime wins

867
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 8: the election and that parties you know trying you know, history,

868
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 8: if you have a good look at it would show

869
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 8: that's not true. I think the last election was a

870
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 8: COVID election. The one before that was a referendum on

871
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Speaker 8: the CLP government, and if you go back to twenty twelve,

872
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 8: that was actually a cost of living election. Yeah, you know,

873
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 8: twenty twelve, the economy was booming, we were riding the

874
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 8: impects wave, but the concerns that people had in urban

875
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 8: areas where that the cost of buying a house and

876
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 8: the cost of renting a place was absolutely going through

877
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 8: the roof. You couldn't get a tradee because you know,

878
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 8: it costs your five hundred bucks to get someone to

879
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 8: come and fix a leaking tap.

880
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 7: And Terry Mills campaigned on that.

881
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Speaker 8: And also in twenty twelve there was a revolt against

882
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 8: labor in the Bush and that was largely due to

883
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Speaker 8: super shies.

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Speaker 7: So I think it's interesting.

885
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Speaker 8: I think the Bush is going to be really interesting

886
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Speaker 8: to watch in this election because the COLP is saying

887
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Speaker 8: we're going to wind back some of that when it

888
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Speaker 8: comes to local government, but they're also opposing treaty, so

889
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Speaker 8: you can see how this is going to play out.

890
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Speaker 8: Labor is going to attack them for opposing the Voice

891
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Speaker 8: and opposing treaty. CLP in the Bush is going to

892
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Speaker 8: try and make the case, well, we're undoing the super

893
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Speaker 8: shy legislation that you all hated so much from back

894
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Speaker 8: in two thousand and seven. And then I think in

895
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Speaker 8: the urban areas there is going to be crime is

896
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Speaker 8: going to be an issue because of that issue you

897
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Speaker 8: raised before.

898
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Speaker 7: I mean, I've been.

899
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Speaker 8: A victim of petty crime in the last few months.

900
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Speaker 8: I think everyone either has been or knows someone who

901
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Speaker 8: has been. And I just think, and the point that

902
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Speaker 8: Cos Samarus made is that when you've already got a

903
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Speaker 8: cose cost of living crisis, when people are struggling more

904
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Speaker 8: to pay the mortgage, to pay the bills, et cetera,

905
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Speaker 8: and then you get that crime issue laid on top

906
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Speaker 8: of that, that really.

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Speaker 6: Crime, the crime, the crime stuff exacerbates cost of living issues.

908
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Speaker 6: So the cost of living is going up and we're

909
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Speaker 6: probably going to see another RBA increase prior at the

910
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Speaker 6: end of the year, so and that's going to of

911
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Speaker 6: course affect inflation. And then you've got the stuff that

912
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Speaker 6: people are dealing with in their homes and their businesses

913
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Speaker 6: with the cost of crime having effect. I got done

914
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Speaker 6: over two or three weeks ago. House got broken into stuff,

915
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Speaker 6: smashed up stuff style, and like, I'm step further springs,

916
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Speaker 6: but that's a cost on my pocket as well. I've

917
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Speaker 6: got to fix my house, I've got to replace the

918
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Speaker 6: stuff that's been stolen, and that comes.

919
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Speaker 2: Off my world.

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Speaker 1: And look, I think it's a step further in fact

921
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Speaker 1: with the crime in that you know, if you're raising

922
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Speaker 1: your family here and you've got young kids here, you

923
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Speaker 1: want your children to be able to live their lives

924
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Speaker 1: and do so in a safe manner. You want to

925
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Speaker 1: know that you can send your kids if they want

926
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Speaker 1: to go with their mates to Casarina or if they

927
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Speaker 1: need to catch the bus somewhere, that they can do

928
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Speaker 1: so safely. And at the moment, I think a lot

929
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Speaker 1: of us as parents really don't feel that level of

930
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Speaker 1: confidence to be able to have our young people, if

931
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Speaker 1: you're raising your kids here, to be able to do

932
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Speaker 1: those stiff, diferent things that were a rite of passage

933
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Speaker 1: for a lot of us growing up. You know, I

934
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Speaker 1: grew up in Mountain Eiser. It was rough as guts,

935
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Speaker 1: but I could walk home without fear of getting rolled.

936
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Speaker 2: So I'd completely agree with you, Cading.

937
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Speaker 4: I came on your show and i said, measure me

938
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Speaker 4: on my actions, and I've got a bunch of work

939
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Speaker 4: to do before next year to get to a point

940
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Speaker 4: where people feel safe for their.

941
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Speaker 7: Kids to go out.

942
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Speaker 2: I completely agree with you, and we agree crime stats

943
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Speaker 2: are too high.

944
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Speaker 4: And I've given my two priorities, which is supporting police

945
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Speaker 4: gaining the resources toill do what they need, but also

946
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Speaker 4: when you call the copy, you get a coop. And

947
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Speaker 4: we're working towards that now with the commission that starts

948
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Speaker 4: with the reduction in retention, and we're seeing that we're

949
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Speaker 4: down from we're down to about seven percent in the

950
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Speaker 4: sevens for constable separation rates before COVID, before twenty nine

951
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 4: it was six percent, So we're seeing a change within

952
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Speaker 4: the Northern Territory Police Force. What I would say though,

953
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 4: is the SEALP at some point needs to get their

954
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Speaker 4: policies out and say how they're going to address cost

955
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Speaker 4: of living. Because we've come out with that, we can

956
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Speaker 4: demonstrate how we deal with cost of living and that's

957
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 4: not selling off our utilities and making sure that territories

958
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Speaker 4: aren't paying more for their power. Everyone else in the

959
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 4: country has gone up by about fifteen percent on their

960
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Speaker 4: power bills.

961
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Speaker 2: We've capped at two point seven percent.

962
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Speaker 4: Can do that because we didn't sell off our utilities,

963
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Speaker 4: and that's what they see people do and they said that,

964
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Speaker 4: So unless you've got an alternate policy bill, I'd love

965
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Speaker 4: to see it.

966
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Speaker 5: No one sold off the utilities, but hold on.

967
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Speaker 9: And the bottom line is brand no one would buy

968
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Speaker 9: our utilities because.

969
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Speaker 5: They're financially unviable.

970
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Speaker 9: And if you did your homework, you would know that

971
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Speaker 9: no human being in their right mind would buypower, water,

972
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Speaker 9: Jaicana or Territory generation.

973
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Speaker 7: The real.

974
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Speaker 5: And the Northern Territory.

975
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Speaker 9: Has changed dramatically under this labor government and a lot

976
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Speaker 9: of us are feeling very very unhappy.

977
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Speaker 5: And whilst we hear.

978
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Speaker 9: The words of the brand new, shiny police Minister reassuring

979
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 9: us that he's going to turn it all around, people

980
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Speaker 9: do not believe you, because they have suffered for two lives.

981
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Speaker 4: And I need to demonstrate that to the through actions.

982
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 4: I would not disagree with you one bit, Robin, and

983
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Speaker 4: that my words have to be matched up with my

984
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Speaker 4: actions and the results.

985
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Speaker 1: Absolutely we are going to have to a very quick break.

986
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Speaker 1: You're listening to Mix one O four nines three sixty.

987
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Speaker 1: It is the week that was. What an hour of

988
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Speaker 1: power this morning has been, I'll tell you what, Bill.

989
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much for your time.

990
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Speaker 6: Teams, Katie and I won't be back up until next year,

991
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Speaker 6: so I wish everybody up here and merry Christmas, and

992
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Speaker 6: I hope everyone has a wonderful fish too.

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Speaker 1: Mate.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you in the new year. Robert Lamley, the

995
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Speaker 3: Independent member for Aara.

996
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Speaker 9: Lun Thank you, Katie, and thank you for keeping us

997
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Speaker 9: honest all here.

998
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see you then and I try my best,

999
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: as does Matt Cunningham.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, Matte, Thanks Katie and Brent.

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Speaker 3: Posher, thank you for your time this morning.

1002
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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie. I'm sure I'll be on before Christmas.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Great to catch up a couple more times.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you all so much. You are listening to

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Speaker 1: Mix one O four nines three sixty