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Speaker 1: Plenty of discussion about kat McNamara resigning from the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory Parliament effective immediately, and really the by election and

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Speaker 1: what it's going to mean. Now. Joining me live on

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Speaker 1: the line is Kesier Puick, the former Independent member and

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Speaker 1: Speaker in the Northern Territory Parliament.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Keezier, Good morning Katie. Yeah, high drama, lo

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Speaker 2: comedy for sure.

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Speaker 1: A lot's happening this week, isn't there? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Indeed, and federally you know it's all going the territory

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Speaker 2: in Australia at the moment.

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Speaker 1: It truly is. Kezier, what was your reaction when you

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Speaker 1: had seen that the Greens Member for Nightcliff announced that

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Speaker 1: she was resigning effective immediately.

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Speaker 2: I mean resigning wasn't so much as surprise as resigning

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Speaker 2: effective immediately. I mean that means she's desperate, dead, keen

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Speaker 2: to get out of there and get out of there now,

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Speaker 2: finish the job, probably tidy up her office that kind

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Speaker 2: of stuff, and go off and do something else. But

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Speaker 2: I wasn't little bit of a surprise. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: only eighteen months. Peo will take since you know she

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Speaker 2: got elected surprisingly, I guess for her, and that's probably

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Speaker 2: part of part of the issue in regards to her

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Speaker 2: membership of the Parliament was that she wasn't expected to win,

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Speaker 2: but then did win. So you've had this psyche in

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Speaker 2: your brain, you know, all through the campaign and I'd

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Speaker 2: like to win, but I'm not sure I'm going to win,

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Speaker 2: and then your buddy get elected and it's like holy shit,

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Speaker 2: now what.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's when the work starts too, that's.

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Speaker 2: Right, And it is a different kind of work and

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Speaker 2: it isn't for the fainthearted, and it can be tough,

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Speaker 2: and it can be particularly tough when you are a

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Speaker 2: particular political color or flavor. And you know, I've listened

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Speaker 2: to her talk and I've listened to Justin davisman for

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Speaker 2: Johnson talk about being an independent and how tough it

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Speaker 2: is and no one loves us and we've got no

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Speaker 2: resources and I'll get over it. You know, these people

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Speaker 2: went into the Parliament not wanting to belong to a

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Speaker 2: of being a political party. And then of course one

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Speaker 2: gets in the government and even the opposition, I mean

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Speaker 2: Selena Uber and her team getting certain resources allocated to them.

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Speaker 2: You know, through the legisltive Assembly, as does the government.

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Speaker 2: So it is a tough gig if you're going to

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Speaker 2: be an independent, but that's a choice you make. And Okay,

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Speaker 2: Cat mcmah is part of a party, the Greens Party,

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Speaker 2: but that in itself is a very they would argue otherwise,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure a small party, So it's almost like being

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Speaker 2: an independent in the true sense. And it probably was

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Speaker 2: a bit tough and probably wasn't something that she fully expected,

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Speaker 2: and I think there might have been a high level

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Speaker 2: of naivety. You know, a lot of these people I

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Speaker 2: find like her that belong to passionate about environment and

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Speaker 2: Gaza and Israeli versus Gaza and all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes they look at the world a little bit through

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Speaker 2: rose colored glasses and that's not reality. And I'm not

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Speaker 2: excusing any bad behavior in Parlament, absolutely not, or any

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Speaker 2: personal targeted attacks at her, which I think would have

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Speaker 2: been pretty poor and appalling. But it's a tough gig

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Speaker 2: and it's perhaps not for her, given she has young children,

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Speaker 2: and you know, maybe it did take a toll on her.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, I wish you's the best. Go go

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Speaker 2: and get something in life that you really do like.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to take such a toll on you.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps, absolutely, you don't want to be in a job

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Speaker 2: That's right, you know, Okay, it's not the first time.

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Speaker 2: I mean I and Ian Sloane who you day, And

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Speaker 2: I think it took a bit of a hit to him.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't really what he wanted and it did affect

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Speaker 2: his health a little bit. Jardine Carney, I know she'd

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Speaker 2: has been a long standing member, don't have many two term,

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Speaker 2: three terms, and then she got some health issue and

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Speaker 2: she quipped and left the pilot because of the pressure.

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Speaker 2: I presume success for the elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubt it would be bloody hard case.

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Speaker 1: He just I suppose just to sort of look at

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Speaker 1: four days from that risk being issued that the by

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Speaker 1: it's not an eternity, but in that time, then that

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Speaker 2: That's correct, and that's why it's beholden upon the Government

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Speaker 2: a fairly short time frame. I think there's a minimum period.

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Speaker 2: So I have no doubt the major parties and the

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Speaker 1: Who knows. But anyway, it brings me to my next

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Speaker 1: My next question, Kezia, who do you reckon is going

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Speaker 1: to run? I'm hearing for Labor there could be a

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Speaker 2: He did very well in the She did very well

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Speaker 2: in the Fanny Bay or whatever it's called, Phoebe election

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Speaker 2: by election, sorry, when Brett Potter got in. And I

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Speaker 2: actually I always had money on what you say, mister

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Speaker 2: I know Brian Manning through his father and the bands

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Speaker 2: I think the Greens will still do well whether there's

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Speaker 2: pick up their preferences. But you just don't know. You're

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Speaker 2: People might say, well, we've voted for that Green's person

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Speaker 2: what we know kind of thing. So that does happen.

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Speaker 2: People are prepared to give someone a chance, like when

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting when you look at the history of

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Speaker 1: twenty four years, but then Kathleen came in a little

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Speaker 2: Hadn't had it first. Yeah, three or four terms. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: of course be the chief minister. But it depends on

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Speaker 2: the turnover and the demographics. I mean, have the demographics

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Speaker 2: any private developments you know that have added more people

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Speaker 2: the parties will be looking at now, is you know,

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Speaker 2: where are our successful areas of the elector and where

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Speaker 2: we got our weaknesses and.

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Speaker 1: Also where some of those boundaries changed obviously at the

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Speaker 2: The things I think it's sorry you can't grow. I

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Speaker 2: think I think they picked up, we've picked up coconut growth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, part of it, I think. Yeah, And and then

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Speaker 1: house moving there, and a lot of people contacting us

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Speaker 1: be a really interesting race. It's going to be one

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Speaker 1: that we're all watching closely. Whyonn't weak easier?

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Speaker 2: Better get onto those book see what I know.

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Speaker 1: You love to look at the odds.

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Speaker 2: I know you do. Oh well, it will be an

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Speaker 2: interesting thing and interesting race. And the sooner they can

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Speaker 2: and then we can find out, you know, who really

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Speaker 2: is going to try and do their best for the elected.

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Speaker 1: And who else comes out of the woodwork. You know.

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Speaker 1: That's what I.

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Speaker 2: I know. There's some little sleepers out there that don't

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Speaker 2: show their hands too early. Yeah, as we always say

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Speaker 2: in the bush, the most obvious is not the most obvious.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, good call.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, gets the gigs and wish them well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Well, keasy lovely to catch up with

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Speaker 1: you as always, Thank you so much, Thanks you time

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 2: Hadda