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Speaker 1: Yesterday we spoke about the Federal member for Solomon, Luke Gosling,

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Speaker 1: reportedly in talks to Lua Aldi to the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 1: According to the paper, it'd been spurred on by that

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Speaker 1: data that proves that Aldi is the cheapest grocery retailer,

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Speaker 1: so he's trying to get the branch opened in either

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Speaker 1: Darwin or Palmerston. And Luke Gosling, the Labor Member for Solomon,

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Speaker 1: joins me on the line right now. Good morning to you, Luke.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. Luke.

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Speaker 1: Have you had a meeting with ald.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: They're not here in Canberra, but you know we've had

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Speaker 3: several conversations and email exchanges and they're doing the old

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Speaker 3: no plans to open in the Northern Territory, which is

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Speaker 3: their holding line. But that's what they said about Mackay,

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Speaker 3: which opened six weeks ago. So yeah, we're making the

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Speaker 3: case they understand the people in Darwin and Palmerston. And

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Speaker 3: I know what feedback you're getting, Katie, but I've received

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Speaker 3: a lot of positive feedback about people to be really

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Speaker 3: happy to have that increased competition. They'd be obviously when

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Speaker 3: you've got twenty five percent decrease in the price of

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Speaker 3: exactly the same basket groceries as you would get in

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Speaker 3: one of the majors. Then that's pretty compelling, particularly you

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Speaker 3: know as territories.

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Speaker 2: Battle with the cost of high grocery process.

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Speaker 1: Look, I totally agree. I think to myself, if we

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Speaker 1: can get another retailer into the market and have that competition,

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Speaker 1: it could only be a good thing. Problem is it's

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Speaker 1: got to stack up feasibly for a commercial entity, and

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Speaker 1: from what I can gather, it doesn't. You know, when

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Speaker 1: you bring in those transit costs, and I know that

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Speaker 1: with that model that Aldi have from what we can gather,

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Speaker 1: they say that they do need to keep those transport

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Speaker 1: costs down. So I just don't know how it would

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Speaker 1: be feasible for us in the territory.

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Speaker 3: Well, everything can be feasible withiciencies are there. I heard

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Speaker 3: an expert from Sydney UNI who's an expert on supermarkets

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Speaker 3: talking yesterday and essentially it comes down to distribution centers. Now,

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Speaker 3: Aldi stuff gets sent across a null bar to Perth,

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Speaker 3: it gets sent right up into northern Queensland and they're

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Speaker 3: progressively opening. Right, It's not just Mackay Townsville, Kansas pushing

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure cans will get there. So what we

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Speaker 3: need to do is they're heaps cheaper. The same basket

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Speaker 3: of goods is fifty bucks at Aldi, compared to just

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Speaker 3: under seventy bucks at the other majors.

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Speaker 2: Right for Perth, they.

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Speaker 3: Pay only a little bit more for going across the nullbar,

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Speaker 3: like seriously, like a dollar or whatever more for a basket,

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Speaker 3: So it will add up for shoppers Aldi.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised.

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Speaker 3: Crunching their numbers and what we've put to them as

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Speaker 3: a list of questions about you know, what are the

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Speaker 3: criteria you're looking at. We know that one of them

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Speaker 3: is a population of twenty thousand, Well how about one hundred.

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Speaker 2: And fifty thousand?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in the top we've got the population. They'll need

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Speaker 3: a distribution center. I'm already getting heaps.

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Speaker 2: Of good ideas about where it could go.

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Speaker 3: And why that makes sense, Why that would be cheaper

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Speaker 3: for LD if they use a certain distribution pathway, if

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Speaker 2: A certain site.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, LOK, what I guess, what are you doing

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Speaker 1: as a federal member for Solomon So for the area

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Speaker 1: that obviously we're wanting them to start operating in, what

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Speaker 1: are you doing to try to help them to do

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Speaker 1: that or potentially try to lure them here. Are there

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Speaker 1: different incentives? Are there different things that the federal government

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Speaker 1: incentivizing them to enter the market in places like not

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Speaker 1: only the Northern Territory but as you've touched on their

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Speaker 1: regional parts of Australia so that it does force those

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: That's why I'm talking with my clue legs down here.

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Speaker 3: But also and that's where this pushes come from. Right,

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Speaker 3: this is not this is about Darwin, will greater Darwin and.

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Speaker 2: The territory more broadly.

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Speaker 3: Who knows, you know, whether other stores could be opened.

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Speaker 2: We're focused on Darwin.

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Speaker 3: We've also cracked down on any competitive behavior in the soupermarket,

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Speaker 3: making them join a mandatory code of conduct. We've got

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Speaker 3: the Choice mob, the Choice magazine mob every quarter reporting

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Speaker 3: the fines that as well as the Natrical the Inquiry

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Speaker 3: they are showing signs of collusion, if they if they

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Speaker 3: we've seen that our prices with the majors are pretty

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Speaker 3: Eldie is so much cheaper. So that's why I'm talking

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Speaker 3: AUTI I'm talking to my colleagues and we'll keep doing

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Speaker 1: I mean they did say, or my understanding is that

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Speaker 3: Katie, You've been around this game for long enough to

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Speaker 3: going to announce that we're moving to Darwin. But as

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Speaker 3: I said in Mackay, they said that. So they opened

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Speaker 3: their six weeks ago. So we've got to mount in

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Speaker 3: the argument. We've got to give them the different ideas

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Speaker 3: for them to load up those trucks thend them.

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Speaker 2: Up to Stuart Highway, use a distribution.

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Speaker 3: Center that plugs into a local shop and people territoriins

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Speaker 3: have given me quite a few ideas about how this

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Speaker 3: if we can show ALDI that they are going to

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Speaker 1: On look, someone's just messaged through and said, could the

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Speaker 1: local member campaign to reduce the fuel excise? Would that help?

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Speaker 1: It would not only potentially help to get ALDI here

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've seen fuel prices go up and down. It

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Speaker 3: was good to see them come down recently. But this

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what we're inquiring into. How can these local

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Speaker 3: we've got to balance that with direct direct the tax cuts,

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Speaker 3: then we continue to look at ways that we can.

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Speaker 1: Help look It sounds like like the federal government could

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Speaker 3: I think three years is too early anyway. I think

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Speaker 3: We're not focused on going to an early election. I

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Speaker 1: Certainly us here in the Northern Territory are very focused

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Speaker 1: on the Northern Territory election, Luke, I do want to

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Speaker 1: ask you. We know that Labor Senator Fatima Payman is

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Speaker 3: So you know, I haven't got any particular insights. A

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Speaker 3: Well, we actually have the curious issue here right is

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Speaker 3: that we want a two state solution and we're working

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Speaker 2: Very powerful speeches.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, the conflict over there, both of what happened on

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Speaker 3: tens of thousands of Palestinian lives lost, is incredibly sad,

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Speaker 3: but it has been going on for decades. We are

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Speaker 3: working constructively with international partners to get towards a long

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Speaker 3: So a two state solutions. So I'm not sure what

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Speaker 3: see in the short In the short term, Luke, just.

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Speaker 1: A very quick one. I know that you'd spoken in

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Speaker 1: in Canberra and anywhere by pro Palestinian protesters. I mean,

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Speaker 1: those war memorials being defaced, in my eyes is horrendous.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely disgusting. Well I saw it with.

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Speaker 3: My own eyes down at the Warmorial on Monday morning.

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Speaker 3: The the facing of the Vietnam and Korea war memorials

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Speaker 3: are the ones that I stopped, stopped by, and I

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Speaker 3: went straight up into Parliament and just called out the

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Speaker 3: idiotic and just discussing behavior. Now, when you have slogans

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Speaker 3: like River to the Sea, which is about having only

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Speaker 3: one state and therefore the other state can't exist, that's

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Speaker 3: not that's not appropriate. That the discussing it basically means

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Speaker 3: that to be spray painted on a memorial for Australian soldiers,

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Speaker 3: sailors and them and that have given their lives for

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Speaker 2: Is absolutely disgraceful.

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Speaker 3: And I'll put the speech I made yesterday up on.

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Speaker 2: Social media people can have a look at it.

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Speaker 3: But I really it's so out of step with mainstream Australia.

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Speaker 3: We just owe everything to those that have served our country,

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Speaker 3: and I'm including the police, strength taking police and everyone

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Speaker 3: that's taken part in peacekeeping, taking part in making our

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Speaker 3: have in Australia, it's not free. It's been paid for

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Speaker 2: Others over the decades.

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Speaker 3: And for that to be vandalized and brought into it,

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Speaker 3: just keep that crap out because we don't want it.

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Speaker 3: We're Australian and we're going to honor the people that

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Speaker 3: that continues to frustrate me greatly, and I'm sure your

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Speaker 1: I bet it does. I will bet that we get

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Speaker 1: messages about that. Luke Gosling, we are going to have

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Speaker 1: to leave it there. I know you've got to get

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Speaker 1: to a meeting. We've got another interview. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for your time. We'll chat with you again soon.

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Speaker 2: Good on you, Katie. We'll get ldip here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Good on you.