1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Before I even sat down on the chair, I'd turn 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: around to shut the door behind me and he said, 3 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: it's stage four cancer. I hadn't even sat down, and 4 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: I was like, ah, and that's you know, a lot worse. 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: You know, you hear that in the movies and TV shows, 6 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: and that's like, you know, the end. It ended up 7 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: getting rediagnosed a couple of months later to stage three B. 8 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: But initially when I got the diagnosis and then he 9 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: picked up a laminated sheet of paper and said, with 10 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: what you have, you have an eighteen percent chance of survival. 11 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Rise and Conker Podcast. I'm your host, 12 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 2: Georgie Stevenson, former lawyer turned entrepreneur, social media personality and 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 2: personal development junkie. This podcast is for my girl gang 14 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: who want to feed their mind with positive and expansive 15 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: thoughts to help them step into their power and live 16 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: their most oric life. We chat a variety of topics 17 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: including mindset, business, relationships, health, and so much more. Basically, 18 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: wherever you are on your journey, I want to help 19 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: you feel inspired and empowered to rise up and conquer 20 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 2: your next bold move. I know that's going to look 21 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: different for everyone, but just no, I'm right here by 22 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: your side and that you have the RNC community behind you. 23 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: Let's do this. Hello and welcome back to the Rise 24 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: and Conquer Podcast. Today we are joined by Courtney Magnan. 25 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: If you don't know Courtney, she is a proud owner 26 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: of multiple businesses. She is the host of She Was 27 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: The Fire podcast, and is also a cancer survivor with 28 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: a very inspiring journey. Courtney is an absolute powerhouse, and 29 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: in today's chat, court opens up about her cancer journey 30 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,639 Speaker 2: and what it was like going through. We chat about 31 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 2: Spin Studio and how it's grown. We chat about courts 32 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 2: involvement in all her businesses, and also how her self 33 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: development journey that started when she did have cancer completely 34 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 2: changed her life and led her to starting her own 35 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: stationary business. There's a bit of everything in this episode. 36 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: It is honestly such a goodie and I was so 37 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: excited to share Courtney with you. 38 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 3: Guys. 39 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: Courtney, Welcome to the Rising Conker Podcast. 40 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. I'm so excited, I know. 41 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: So we're currently in the Spin Studios. Appreciate you guys, 42 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: Chrome Teff. Yeah, and I appreciate you letting me use 43 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 2: the equipment so it's probably gonna be amazing audio guys. Hopefully. 44 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: I feel like roles reversal, Like last time you were here, 45 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: you were on my podcast. 46 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 47 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I've been on Courts podcast and I wanted 48 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: to get her on my podcast because we've been in 49 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 2: each other's lives kind of a lot lately, and I 50 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: feel like there's so much you know to talk about. 51 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 2: But before we do that, do you want to just 52 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 2: give a bit of an intro of yourself, a bit 53 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: of snapshot of who you are and what you do. 54 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: Okay, So those who don't know, I'm thirty four year 55 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: old single woman, a single gal, and I own a 56 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: couple of businesses and work in a few. So I 57 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: own the Spin Studio network, which is a podcasting network, 58 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: and I also own Spin and Co. Which is a 59 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: branding agency, and so we do a bunch of stuff 60 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: from like digital marketing to PR and one of our 61 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: clients is Maked Harvest. And also I work as the 62 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: creative director for James Cosmetic, which is a skincare brand. 63 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: And yeah, I think I guess the other sort of 64 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: big thing that people know about me is is that 65 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: over the last few years I've had cancer a melanoma diagnosis, 66 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: and I just finished my cancer treatment a couple of 67 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: months ago, so that's been like my big thing no 68 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: cancer at the moment, So I. 69 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: Love love for me, big congratulations, that's huge, And I 70 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 2: just saw it. It was your anniversary. 71 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: Year cancer, which is amazing the way cancer work. So 72 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: it's like you don't really get your official until five 73 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: years because it can just come back at any time. 74 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: But you know, I've got to celebrate those. At least 75 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: we're getting one step closer. 76 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: So that's exciting one hundred percent. And I really want 77 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: to chat to you about your cancer journey. But before 78 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 2: we get into that, as it is the Rise and 79 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 2: Conquer podcast, what is a quote that helps you rise 80 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: and conquer? 81 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: My favorite quote I think of all time and has 82 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: really sort of resonated me with me since a young age, 83 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: but it's really become a lot more prevalent over the 84 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: last I guess twelve months with the whole cancer stuff, 85 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: because it kind of made me feel a lot like 86 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: I just need to be who I am and stop 87 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: worrying about judgment from others, which was something that was 88 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: holding me back, and then having cancer, you're like, I 89 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: don't really care about a lot of the people think anymore, 90 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: and so find out who you are and do it 91 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: on purpose. 92 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 3: By Dolly Parton. That's my favorite question. 93 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: Oh, I love that. And can I just say that's 94 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 2: something I absolutely love about your Instagram and how you 95 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 2: show up on social media's You're so authentically yourself and 96 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: I almost feel like since they started following you quite 97 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: a while ago, I've like I've seen you almost like 98 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: blossom and do it even more. And yeah, it's just 99 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: like really incredible. See it's like one of those accounts 100 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: that I'm like, I will just go and watch and 101 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: just you know, know, the content is authentic and just 102 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 2: very different every day. Who knows what I'm going to get, 103 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: but yeah, just like very you can see you embodying 104 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: that in you know, real life. 105 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: I appreciate That's what I try and get out there. 106 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: I think that there's so much fake stuff on Instagram 107 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: and people showing their highlight reels, and especially because I 108 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: guess I live in that entrepreneur kind of space, people 109 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: glamorize that life, and I think I want to make 110 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,679 Speaker 1: sure that people see how what. 111 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,119 Speaker 3: The reality is, I guess. 112 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: And then also, you know, living with cancer, what is 113 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: that like for a young woman, you know, so I 114 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: want to show those highs and lows. 115 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 3: So I appreciate you saying that. Thank you, of course. 116 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: So let's chat about your cancer journey. So can you 117 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 2: kind of tell us from start to finish, you know, 118 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 2: what was the first moments, like when you found out? 119 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, so around about my thirtieth birthday was the first one. 120 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: So I've had it twice now. And my dad has 121 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: a history of melanoma. He has scars all over his back. 122 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: My uncle passed away from melanoma several years ago, so 123 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: there's a big history in our family with it. I 124 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: have red hair and very fair skins, so just to 125 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: look at me, you think, like that the sun's gonna 126 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: not like. 127 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 3: That girl, you know what I mean. 128 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: And so for some reason, even with all of that, 129 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: I was just complacent about, you know, going to get 130 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: a skin check. I was also always very careful about 131 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: SBF because I burned so easy. But I was just like, oh, 132 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: you know, you just think it's not going to happen 133 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: to me. 134 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 3: It's not a kids priority. 135 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: Whenever. 136 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: I have lots of moles and lots of freckles, so 137 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: it should have been something I looked at. But I 138 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: had a mole on the back of my right shoulder, 139 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: just kind of like where your brass strap sits on 140 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: your shoulder blade. And I had a few family members 141 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: say like, go get that looked at. I had two 142 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: gps say to me that it looked fine, and then 143 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: my dad said, like, go get your skin, go in 144 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: an actual my skin guy to look at it. And 145 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: then one of my other friends, her dad is a doctor, 146 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: and he said to her like, tellcor I need to 147 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: go get that looked at. 148 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:01,799 Speaker 3: And he's a GP. 149 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: So I decided to go to my dad's skin specialist 150 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: and he looked over my whole body and then I said, 151 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: like what about this one. He goes, ah, it looks 152 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: fine to me, but we'll take it a biopsy of 153 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: it just in case. So with melanoma, it's kind of 154 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: like you know, when in doubt cut it out. They're 155 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: just like always try and like get things out just 156 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: in case. So he was just sort of like, I 157 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: think it's fine, so really talking it down. Then he 158 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: said this was on like a Wednesday. He said, give 159 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: us a call on Monday and the receptionist will like 160 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: tell you, like what happened. I was like, okay, anyway, 161 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: that was Wednesday afternoon, Thursday morning, the doctor's office is 162 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: calling me and it's the doctor on the phone, not 163 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: the receptionist. 164 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 3: So it's straight. 165 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: Away I'm like, this is giving me red flags, and 166 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: into the phone he was just like, you know, it's 167 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: come back as a level four melanoma. And so the 168 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: way melanoma works is it's level one to five. Five 169 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: is the worst and that just means the depth of 170 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: it in your skin. So four is obviously not a 171 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: great outcome. But he said, look, I'm just going to 172 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: refer you straight up to Brisbane. They're like one of 173 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: the best in the world, because you know Australia has 174 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: so much melanoma, you're gonna go straight to doctor Smithers. 175 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: He's one of the best, so they're gonna cut it 176 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: out and get surgery pretty much straight away. So I 177 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: was just standing in the office. I work with my 178 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: brother Sam, and my dad also worked for us at 179 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: the time. 180 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 3: He does now still, but look at that time as well. 181 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: We fired him. 182 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: He doesn't work in this obviously waked to the warehouse 183 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: out were in the same office at that time, and 184 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: I was just like shocked him because he was my 185 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: dad's doctor. He said like, can you put your dad 186 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: on the phone, so he then wanted to like talk 187 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: to my. 188 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 3: Dad about it. 189 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: So I kind of just handed my phone to my 190 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: dad and then stood there kind of shell shocked. And 191 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: Sam came over and was like what's happening? And I 192 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: was like I think I have skin cancer, Like, oh 193 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: my god. And Sam was like it's all right, it's 194 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 1: all right, all right, and then he like just walks 195 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: away and starts making phone calls. Like Sam's thing is 196 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: like what strings can I pull to. 197 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 3: Make sure we're getting into the best doctors, And so 198 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 3: it kind of I guess hit me a bit like. 199 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: They're just gonna have surgery and cut it out. No 200 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: One was talking to me about like cancer treatment or aything, 201 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: so it didn't seem me it'll be fine. Yeah, So 202 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: I was kind of just been like it's all right, 203 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: Like don't go on the internet, don't look at anything, 204 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: because that's going to probably make things worse. But it 205 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: seems like they have a very clear plan and they're 206 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: actioning it quite quick, so I tried to not get 207 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: worked up. But then you also have the whole like 208 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: my uncle died of this creeping in kind of stuff. 209 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: But then my dad's had many cut out and he's fine. 210 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: So you just have that rationalizing kind of thing in 211 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: your brain where you're like one's really bad, one turns 212 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: out good, and you're trying to not like go to 213 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: either side and just trying to stay level. And so yeah, 214 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: it was a few weeks of like I had to 215 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: like go up there and see the doctor and have 216 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: chats with them, and then I guess it was like 217 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: about three or four weeks between getting the surgery. And 218 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: I'd never actually like been under before, had any kind 219 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: of surgery, so there was all I added stress of like, 220 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: oh my god, Like I had that fear of like 221 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: that I would. 222 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 3: Wake up in the surgery and no one would know 223 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 3: that I could feel everything, which I was really stressed. 224 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 2: Over actually, but yeah, you know that actually happened to me. 225 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 2: I woke up during an eye surgery and like had 226 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: woken up and they obviously I heard the guy go, 227 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 2: oh my god, she's waking up and quickly and then 228 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: I fell back to sleep because they realized, oh my god, 229 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: I didn't actually feel anything, but I remember, and like 230 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: they like got a they're taking a thing off my eye. 231 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's so scary. None of the film 232 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 3: wakes up. They can't say anything, but they can feel every. 233 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 2: Oh my god, and they're like crying. Yeah. 234 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: So I had that like in my head that obviously 235 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: didn't happen. So anyway, they chopped it out. I got 236 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: the results back. They were happy with the margins. They 237 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: also took a lymph node just to make sure that 238 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: if it was draining to a lymph node that like 239 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:30,599 Speaker 1: you know, it would all be okay. That was a 240 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: very stressful morning because you go in in the morning, 241 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: you have to get all of these tests, and for 242 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: some reason, they couldn't see my melanoma quite clearly. 243 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 3: So the lady was looking at the screen and she's 244 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 3: like calling in doctors and nurses to look over. 245 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: And I just see all these people huddling around a 246 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: screen and I'm like, it's everywhere. 247 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 3: I'm dying. 248 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: Oh my god, and you like take all these like 249 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: crazy assumptions. It turned out to be fine. And then 250 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: I was having skin checks every three months. And then 251 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: about three years later, so November twenty nineteen, I felt 252 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: a lump in my arm. Nothing on the outside, no freckle, 253 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: no mole and I was going for my normal skin 254 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: check and I just said to the doctor, this is 255 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: a lump that I've had. 256 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 3: It's been a couple of days. I thought it was 257 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 3: going to be like a boil. 258 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: Or a pimple or something, but nothing's come to the surface. 259 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: And he straightaway was like, you're going for tests like immediately. 260 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: So that day I had like a whole heap of 261 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: tests because of my you know, my record. They were like, 262 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: get her in, yeah, like straight away, which is amazing 263 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: to have such an amazing healthcare system that I can 264 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: get into appointments like literally the same day, get results 265 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: the same days, and saying so, I'm so grateful for that. 266 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: And then they referred me to like a skin cancer 267 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: surgeon to have the lump cut out because they said, 268 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 1: we can't quite tell without doing a full pet scan. 269 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: We're going to refer you to him and then he'll 270 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: get you the pet scan. I sat down with him. 271 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: I went alone because my doctor had been like, I'm 272 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: not still certain. 273 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 3: I'm sure it's going to be fine. 274 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: Shouldn't have really gone alone to that appointment because that 275 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: doctor was like, this is potentially going to be very bad. 276 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: I need you to prepare yourself for the fact that 277 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: this could be in lots of other places. I just 278 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: hope you don't light up like a Christmas tree. That's 279 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: what the doctor said to me. 280 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 3: And I was like, oh. 281 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: My god, you got with this pet scap of thirty 282 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: minutes just lying there and I'm like, yeah, don't light up, 283 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: you know, it's so stressful. Then they like, pumpy full 284 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: of radiation, get you in for the test. And then 285 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: the next day I went back with the results and 286 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: Sam came with me that time and sat in the doctors. 287 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: Before I even sat down on the chair, i'd turn 288 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: around to shut the door behind me, and he said 289 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: it's stage four cancer. I hadn't even sat down, and 290 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: I was like, ah, and that's you know, a lot worse. 291 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: You know, you hear that in the movies and TV shows, 292 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: and that's like, you know, the end, it ends up 293 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: getting rediagnosed a couple of months later to stage three B. 294 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: But initially when I got the diagnosis and then he 295 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: picked up a laminated sheet of paper and said, with 296 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: what you have, you have an eighteen percent chance of survival. 297 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: It was just like a graph that he showed me, 298 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: and I was like, what, I have an eighteen percent 299 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: chance of survival? 300 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 2: Is this doctor like autistic or something? Does he have? No? 301 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 3: I like a big trend with a lot of dogs. 302 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 3: They have that. 303 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 1: They're so matter of fact because they don't want to 304 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: give you any sort of lines because they can't they 305 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen. And melani they don't 306 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: want to give you hope. Yeah, and melanoma, it's quite serious. 307 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: If I had had this happened to me several years ago, 308 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: they would have just sent me home and been like, 309 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: there's nothing we can do. Now, there's so many amazing 310 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: medical advancements with amunotherapy, which is the form of I 311 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: guess like chemo but for melanoma, because chemo doesn't work 312 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: on melanoma. It brings my chances of survival up by 313 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: fifty percent. 314 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 3: So it was like a big difference to me. That's 315 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 3: obviously still not great starts to hear about your life, 316 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 3: but it was way better than eighteen percent. 317 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: So he said, we're going to cut it out and 318 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: then you're going to get amotherapy. And so then, yeah, 319 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: I had that surgery, which I then woke up in 320 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: in that surgery. 321 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: So I did go oh my god. I couldn't feel any. 322 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: I could just feel them stitching my arm up and 323 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: so I wasn't painful, but I could you could feel 324 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: the pressure, yeah, of them sort of like sewing my 325 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: body back together. And I had like a sheet over 326 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: my head and my arm was like one of my 327 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: arms was raised out, and I thought, like, I can 328 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: hear them talking about me, and so I don't want 329 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: to like be like, excuse me, sir, I can hear you, 330 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: because I don't want to alarm them. So I just 331 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: like wriggled my fingers a little bit just to be like, 332 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: I'm a wait, don't talk about me, don't say anything bad. 333 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 3: So then because they were almost done, they just didn't 334 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 3: do anything. 335 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: They just like let me roll back out, and then 336 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: I was, yeah, I'm like okay anyway, So it kind 337 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: of did happen to me in the end, but yeah, 338 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: no pains. 339 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 3: That was lucky. 340 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: And yeah, since then I then had to freeze my 341 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: eggs because they didn't know how their treatment was going 342 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: to affect my fertility. And then I had to have 343 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: twelve months of immunotherapy, which is basically every two weeks, 344 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: I had to go to the hospital for about four 345 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: or five hours. 346 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 3: And get my treatment. Wow, because that was it was 347 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 3: pretty long story. 348 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: No, No, I think it's important that we go through 349 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: the whole thing, and you explained that so well. I 350 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 2: want to chat to you about kind of your mental 351 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 2: state from the start and then now the end. And 352 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: because I know that we've chatted about you really a 353 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 2: kind of was like took this as like, I'm going 354 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: to improve myself. I'm going to do self development. I'm 355 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 2: it was almost like a can I call it like a. 356 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 3: Wake up definitely? 357 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, like tell us about that side of things. 358 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I've talked many times about the fact 359 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: that I would never want to call cancer a silver lining, 360 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: but I do want to look for the positives. And 361 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: that did make big positive changes in my life, having 362 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: this wake up call. I didn't have a bad life 363 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: by any means, and I was happy with my job 364 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: and my family and stuff, but I was sort of 365 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: just coasting through my life. 366 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 3: There wasn't anything that I was super passionate about a 367 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 3: good tast doing. 368 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so when I had that first cancer diagnosis, 369 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: it was that slow kind of like, oh, maybe I 370 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: should start to like be more of myself, not worry 371 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: about others. I had this real hang up which I think. 372 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 3: A lot of people do, about like, oh, what all 373 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 3: the people I used to go to school with think 374 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 3: like people who are really insignificant in your life? 375 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 2: Funny that we think that. It's like those people literally nothing. 376 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 2: I didn't even know what they're doing. What would they 377 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 2: know what I'm doing? 378 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 3: And also why would I care? 379 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, what I mean, those people aren't significant in my world, 380 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: so why would I care about what they think? So 381 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: it's just those things about like what would strangers think 382 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: if I started talking on my Instagram? 383 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? That I was just like so. 384 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: Many hang ups, and I wouldn't show up on Instagram 385 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: unless I had like a full face of makeup, and 386 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: I had all these body issues. And so I just 387 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: started to slowly be like, I'd need to start to 388 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: be more of myself and not worry about the judgment 389 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: of other people and just worry about what I think 390 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: and what I want to do. And so the first 391 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: cance diagnosis, that was a very slow kind of progression, 392 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: and then it really kicked up into high gear the 393 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: second time. Obviously, one of the first things I did 394 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: when I got the diagnosis and I went home. I 395 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: thought like, if I died in the next couple of months, 396 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: what would I look back on and regret? 397 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 3: What would I want to have changed? And nothing was. 398 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: Like I wish I'd traveled to the Great Wall of China. 399 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: There was none of those big bucket lert wish I 400 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: went skydiving. It was none of those things. It was like, 401 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: kind of I just wish I'd done something I was 402 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: really passionate about and felt like I was making impact 403 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: in the world, and that made me feel like I 404 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: was really being myself. It was like those little things 405 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: that I was like, I think I need to make 406 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: a change here, and so I'm always I was always 407 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: the kind of person that was very matter of fact, 408 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: like it wasn't that the water was the cup was 409 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: like half empty or half full. It was just like 410 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: there was water in the cup. It was just the 411 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: facts and so very pragmatic. I guess, which is good 412 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: because you don't have like lots of highs and. 413 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: Lows, but also mostly very neutral. 414 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 415 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: But when you have cancel, A lot of people talk 416 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: about the power of the mind and positivity, and you know, obviously, 417 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: you know with manifesting and things like that. I'm not 418 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: sure I'm all the way sold on that, but I 419 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: thought to myself, like, if I can help by being 420 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: positive about this and convince myself that I'm going to 421 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: be okay, why wouldn't I try it? So I started 422 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: going down this like meditation and journaling route. I did 423 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: your course that like really was a pivotal point for me, 424 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: and I talked about it than my podcast because it 425 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: was so huge for me, your course that I wanted 426 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: to speak to you to share it with everyone that 427 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: you know, stuff these like goals for myself and personal. 428 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 2: Thing, Yeah, diving into personal development and really kind of going, well, 429 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 2: what have I got to lose? Let's just see if 430 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: this works. 431 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: And I have all these businesses and stuff, and I'm 432 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: very successful in what we do, but I've been always 433 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: so career driven that I wasn't really focusing on like 434 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: my insides, I guess, and so I wanted to kind 435 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: of be like just happier and more balanced and at 436 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: peace with myself and who I am and the impact 437 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: that I'm having on the world. And so that's kind 438 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: of the route that it took me the last twelve months. 439 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 2: That's really funny that you say that, because I'm almost 440 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 2: the opposite where it was my self development that then 441 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 2: caused the career change to you know, do those certain things. 442 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 2: So that's so interesting that you were, Yeah, you were 443 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 2: in the career, you were doing the things, but then 444 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 2: it took you know, this huge shakeup to pick up 445 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 2: those things. So I guess what were some of the 446 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 2: things that obviously you were working on your mindset, you 447 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 2: were working on yourself, what some other kind of like 448 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 2: positive things that you were doing to keep self positives 449 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 2: through such a like just unknown time. 450 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, for me, like quotes are a really big thing, 451 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: as I know how for you. And so every morning 452 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: I would reveal a new quote on this flip calendar 453 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,479 Speaker 1: that I had a spoonful of Sarah, I had one 454 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: of her like flip books, and so every day I'd 455 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: reveal a new quote calendar and then ended up releasing 456 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: my own because I was so passionate about it. And 457 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: also daily affirmations was something that I would do a 458 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: lot as well, especially when I was in I would 459 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: have to have regular pet scan stuff. When I was 460 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: in the pet scan and you're lying there for thirty 461 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: minutes and all your thinking is like, don't have cancer, 462 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: don't have cancer. My focus really changed to like I'm healthy, 463 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: my mind and body are healthy, you know. I just 464 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: tried to like tell myself these positive things through that 465 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: and kind of like get myself into this meditative state 466 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 1: during the pet scan where I'm just saying these affirmations. 467 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 3: So it's like convincing my body that you're healthy, you know. 468 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: And so those kinds of things are really big. We 469 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,719 Speaker 1: changed a lot of the way that I work with 470 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: my team as well. I was running sort of on 471 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: empty I guess, having so many businesses and doing so 472 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: many things, and I was a control freak with my staff. 473 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: Everyone felt like they had to run everything through me. 474 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: Nobody could make any decisions for themselves because they were 475 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: so used to ME making it for them. So I 476 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: went through this whole thing where I thought, if I die, 477 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm leaving Sam with a bit of a shit show 478 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: with the staff because no one knows where any no 479 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: one could even log into the internet because I have 480 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: all the passwords, the simple things. So I really restructured 481 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: the way that I work with my team because they 482 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: needed to be able to be more independent in their 483 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: roles and feel like they didn't have to run everything 484 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: by me, and that they were in control of their 485 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: own position, feel that responsibility, and so that was a 486 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: big change as well. That took some of the pressure 487 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 1: off me as well, because the doctors are saying, don't 488 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: stress is something you've got to work on. So that 489 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: was something that was a big impact. So yeah, it 490 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: was just a lot of like trying sound healing and 491 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: all these different things. Not everything worked, but there were 492 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: different things that slowly started to open me up to 493 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: this more spiritual world. 494 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 3: And I'm not all the way there. 495 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: I'm just like still peeking through, but I am interested 496 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: to see that they and be positive things in your life. 497 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 2: Yeah wow, And it's like, yeah, I'd so love to 498 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 2: hear that, and I really want to kind of get 499 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 2: into spinning co and that sort of side of things. 500 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 2: But before we go there, if what would your advice 501 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 2: be for someone you know who's maybe they're going through 502 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 2: their own cancer journey or maybe they've just been diagnosed with, yeah, 503 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 2: like a health issue or something like that, Like, what 504 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 2: would your advice be to that person? 505 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: I think that the first thing I did was really 506 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: assess what I wanted out of my life and how 507 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: I was really feeling. And that journaling process I think 508 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: has been really big for me. And I didn't really 509 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: start that until your course, where it was like I 510 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: need to I don't know, dear Diary, do I really 511 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: want to do that? 512 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 3: It's like going to work. 513 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: But it did, like as soon as I started, it 514 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: just sort of started coming out flowing, like yeah, sort 515 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: of sort of reassessed. And I don't journal every day 516 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: or anything, but when I am feeling like a blockage 517 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: or stressed, I'll sit down and be like, let's just 518 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: see what comes out. Just as you force yourself to write, 519 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: you kind of get to the bottom of your feelings 520 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: or like what your goals are. 521 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 2: Well, I find sometimes if I journal and then I 522 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 2: put it on paper of like, you know, what I'm 523 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,239 Speaker 2: worried about or upset about, and then on paper, I'm like, 524 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 2: it's not that bad, yeah, or I can deal with this, 525 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 2: and it's almost like it lessens the impact it's having. 526 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 3: On you perspective. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 527 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: So that was definitely something that I would recommend to people, 528 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: even if it's not something for you. I'm not anyone 529 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 1: who's like a good writer, not he. 530 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 2: But you said, dear diary. 531 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 3: So I was like, oh my god, you're like you're 532 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 3: like Taylor. 533 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 2: Swift actually, but no, I absolutely love that. That's such 534 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 2: a good piece of advice. So let's switch gears and 535 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 2: let's chat about Spin. Okay, So, uh, you know, Spin 536 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 2: does so much now it's PR company, and I feel 537 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 2: like it's definitely more than a PR company. It's so 538 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 2: much encompass you guys and a naked humbers. Since we're Spin, 539 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 2: a little shout out there and you now do podcasts 540 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: and you've got James Cosmetics. There's lots happening. So how 541 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 2: did Spin actually start? Did you start it originally with 542 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 2: Sam or did one of you started and then join on? 543 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: So, I mean, it's a bit of a long story, 544 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: but to cut it short, I did PR. 545 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 3: At Uni, San did law. 546 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: And Sam's always been the kind of guy who was 547 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: never going to be able to have a boss. 548 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 3: He was always going to have to be bringing his 549 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 3: own thing. 550 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always I could never see Sam with boss. 551 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: I'm happy with that kind of stuff. I always wanted 552 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: to be a leader in some respect. 553 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 2: And like sorry to Interjack, did he ever work in law? 554 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 3: No? 555 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, he finished his degree, but he never worked in law, 556 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: and so shortly after both of us graduated, I had 557 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: deferred mine to work full time. So we ended up 558 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: graduating around similar times and we got asked to help 559 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 1: out on a mayoral campaign in the Gold Coast. And 560 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: Sam and I are obsessed with the West Wing, the 561 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 1: TV show, which is about the president, I guess, and 562 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: so it was like we were like, this is our 563 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: chance to run a presidential campaign. It's the mayorag'e definitely 564 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: on the same thing, but we were sort of living 565 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: out our like fantasies there and so we helped out 566 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: on that campaign and during that Sam is an amazing networker, 567 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: so he made all these connections, and we had had 568 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: businesses together when we were young, Like Sam and I 569 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: had like a website design company when he was like 570 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: sixteen fifteen, and I was just there to be like 571 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: the adult in the room, I guess because I'm five 572 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: years older than Sam. 573 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 3: And so we'd done like a few little things together 574 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 3: over the years. And then he said that all. 575 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: Those businesses were the model of like, once you've done 576 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 1: the website, you then have to find another client, and 577 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: so you're constantly chasing new clients. But the model with 578 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: pr is that it's like a retainer, so you're not 579 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: constantly chasing new clients. You can work with them long term. 580 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: So he said, why don't we give that a go? 581 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: And then so basically after hours and on weekends, Sam 582 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: and I would kind of work on that. He was 583 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: doing the majority of it. He then quit his job 584 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: full time. Our first client paid US five hundred dollars 585 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: a month and he basically lived of that and he 586 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: spent it in Petrol because of the client was out 587 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: at Century Coves. It's like a bit of a drive. 588 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: And so yeah, that was our first client. And then 589 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: after probably two years of him kind of doing it, 590 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: we to the point where it was like, all right, 591 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: now it's time for me to leave. Which was really 592 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: scary because I kept saying to him when can I come? 593 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: When can I come? Because what we were doing at 594 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: I was a general manager of like a sales kind 595 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: of travel company, so which was like a steady income. 596 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: And I climbed up the ladder and I was in 597 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: that like management role of all the jobs that I 598 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: could move to then and I'd said to him, you know, 599 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: when can I come? And he says, never going to 600 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: be a time that we're going to be able. 601 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 3: To be like this is exactly the way it's going to. 602 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: Be making me so much money. 603 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, we can't make any more money until 604 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: you're here full time, so you just have to risk it. 605 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: So at that point I kind of saved a chunk 606 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: of money so that I could quit my job and 607 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: not feel stressed about not being able to pay bills 608 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: for a couple of months, and so then quit the 609 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: job and ever since then I would pay my bills. 610 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 2: So it's been working, isn't it funny? Like me and 611 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 2: Cooper were kind of the same where he because he 612 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: had a plumbing business that was you know, very successful, 613 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 2: you know, making over hundreds of thousands dollars per year, 614 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 2: and he had a mortgage and he had a family, 615 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 2: had a little child and quit all that, and we 616 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 2: weren't even like up and running, but just had like 617 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 2: yeah almost that, Like he was like if I don't 618 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 2: take this leap of faith, and we really needed the hands. 619 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 2: It's like it's kind of not now or never, but 620 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 2: it's like there's never going to be this like perfect 621 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 2: time where it makes sense, like let's just do this 622 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 2: now because you're to be in it to in it. 623 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what I always say people ask, you know, 624 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: what's your advice if you want to start a business, 625 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: is like they'll never be a perfect time and if 626 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: you wait for that, you'll never start. Just to start 627 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: now and you just have to take small steps to 628 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: you know, get the ball rolling and then take the risk, 629 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: you know, and sometimes it's not going to work, but 630 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,239 Speaker 1: you'll learn from that for the next time when you 631 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: do take another risk, you know. And so and starting 632 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: business is definitely not for everyone. I personally wouldn't have 633 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,959 Speaker 1: done it on my own. It was Sam me too 634 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: with me that I need that, Yeah, and like we 635 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: really compliment each other in our skill set. But yeah, 636 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: it's it was, I guess, just the big risk that 637 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: we took and it paid off and it's been working 638 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: ever since then. We just started other businesses and it's 639 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: just been growing because it was just PR initially and 640 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: now it's grown into something much bigger than that. 641 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 2: And so what would be LA Obviously it's going to 642 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 2: be hard to pick, but it's like, for example, out 643 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 2: of all your jobs that you do in the PR, 644 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 2: that you do in spin studio, that you do with James, 645 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 2: what's kind of like your favorite thing that really lights 646 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 2: you up. 647 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,479 Speaker 1: I think I really like when we do photo shoots 648 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: for James and we're going and with pitch creative ideas 649 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 1: and then you see your idea in a photo on 650 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: the website or on social media and you're like, wow, 651 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: that whole vision that I came up with has come 652 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: to life. 653 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 2: Start to finish. 654 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 655 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: And then I also, you know, like the I produced 656 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: the wild Ones podcast and they hit five. 657 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 3: Million downloads this week. 658 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 2: Incredible. 659 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Sophie Gweedle and my producer, she went 660 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: to number one on the charts this week. 661 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 3: And so those are big wins. 662 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: They're people that I brought into the studio and said, Sam, 663 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: I think they're going to make a good podcast. 664 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 3: Let's you know. 665 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: I really had to pitch who they were and he 666 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: was like, right, if you think they're going to work, 667 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: let's do it. And then I've worked with them to 668 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: get them to that point. So it's you know, and 669 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 1: the girls are amazing at what they do, all of 670 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: those women, but you know they're following obviously helps as well, 671 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: but it's a whole like collaborative process that I really 672 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: like being a part of. And podcasts with something I've 673 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: been passionate about for years, and that's why Sam was like, 674 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: why don't we do a podcasting network. 675 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 3: You really like podcasts, Let's do that. 676 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: And our kind of philosophy has always been chasing things 677 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: that we're really passionate about, Sam Starr the skincare thing. 678 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 3: Because we all love skincare. 679 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: We're obsessed with like masks, and you know that's pampering stuff. 680 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 3: It's like, let's do our own, you know. So it's 681 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 3: just been about following like our passions as well as 682 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 3: like things that would be good for business ideas. 683 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yes, that's probably what I would like 684 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: seeing like a project start to finish. All the successes 685 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: of the podcasts. 686 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is really cool when you have a vision 687 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: and then you can you know, organize it with the 688 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 2: team and then it comes to life and you're like, 689 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 2: oh wow. 690 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: Or even like when I'm actually good at my job, yeah, 691 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: or when I went to the live show for the 692 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: wild Ones, that was incredible, a pretty big moment to think. 693 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 3: Like this just started with like yay to Sam. 694 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: See these two girls, they party a lot, and then 695 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: all of a sudden we're in a room and there's 696 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: hundreds of people like they're all so excited. 697 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 3: And it was just, yeah, it's pretty amazing. 698 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 2: Yeah amazing. And so let's chat about the teams thing. So, 699 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 2: like you were saying, you had this huge shift where 700 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 2: you're like, I, what would happen if I was to 701 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 2: die so so grim? And yeah, you would leave Sam. 702 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 2: You know with this team that you were very controlled 703 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 2: because I'm a control for freak, so I completely get that. 704 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 2: And that's definitely been a journey of myself where I'm like, 705 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 2: I have to let go of control. And I something 706 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 2: I kind of talk about and think about a lot 707 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: is like you know people's zones of genius, and it's 708 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 2: like you hire people because you can't do that job 709 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 2: as good as someone else, or you know you need 710 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 2: that help. So when certain things come up, I try 711 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 2: and leave people's zone a genius like to them, yes, 712 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 2: And it is so hard, especially when the company is 713 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 2: like your baby and you had so much passion towards 714 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 2: it and so much love. So you explained that you know, 715 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 2: you the letting God control. What's kind of different of 716 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 2: like how your teams run now. 717 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: So this is going to sound really silly, but this 718 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: technique really worked and I'm very close with my team. 719 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 3: We've worked together for years. A lot of people that. 720 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: We hired were friends, family, all of that to begin with, 721 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: so it's not like there were lots of outside It's 722 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: no business. 723 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 3: So this may not work for everyone. 724 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: But one problem that we were having was that people 725 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: were asking me things repeatedly because I was always so 726 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: available to them. I sit in the same room as 727 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: my team. We have an open plan like floor plan, 728 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: so I sit there with them. I'm so available to 729 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: them that they would just ask me anything that went 730 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: through their mind. 731 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 3: Yell it out, yeah exactly, or they. 732 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: Wouldn't trust their own judgment and they needed to confirm 733 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: everything with me. So I said to the team, this 734 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: has to change. Here are the options. One, every time 735 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: somebody does this, I can pull them into the office 736 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: and have a one on one chat and say, like, 737 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: you've been asking this repeatedly, I've already answered it. 738 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 3: You know what do you think the answer should be? 739 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 3: I do that very like HR approach. 740 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: Or I can just come up with a funny word 741 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: that we all agree on and I'll just say it 742 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: openly and we'll just see how that goes. And they 743 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: all agreed that they wanted me just to say pineapple 744 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: when someone asked something that they probably should have known 745 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: the answer to. And so it became this funny thing 746 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: that they're like, oh, did you just get pineappled? 747 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 3: So it was like, howing pineapples do you have? 748 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: It was like a funny thing that they were all 749 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: trying to compete not to get pineappled. And it was 750 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: after a few weeks I was not giving any pineapples. 751 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: They were just were so much better and they were 752 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: thinking about things before they did it. 753 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 3: So it kind of took the pressure off. 754 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: Like I would have thought that they wouldn't have gone 755 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: down that route because they wouldn't want to be publicly. 756 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: But we made it a joke that it was like, 757 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: took the. 758 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 3: Pressure off it. Yeah, it seems like it's relacily. I 759 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 3: don't know. 760 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: It really worked for us, and so that's been a 761 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: big change for us now. And even when I trained, now, 762 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: I'll say, and they asked me a question, it's like, well, 763 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: what would you do? What do you think? 764 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 3: You know? 765 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: You can't try and put that back on them, because 766 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: the more you feed someone answers easier, it becomes for 767 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: them not to think for themselves. You know, and so 768 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: that's a big trend in what we do now. When 769 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: I train, it's like, you give it a go first 770 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: and see what you think. It's even like when my 771 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: mum and dad will be like, I don't know how 772 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: to use my phone, it's like, yeah, you do, give 773 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: it a go. What do you think you would press next? 774 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 775 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: Like you know Apple phones, they're built for to be 776 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: user friendly. You can do it, give it well, then 777 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: you get them. They get the confidence because like, well 778 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: I could send that text message on my own. 779 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, now they're finding emotion. 780 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 2: You're like, if you're constantly helping them, if you're always available, 781 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 2: you're enabling them. 782 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. 783 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 2: You always asked for help. 784 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: And it definitely as a boss is easier just to go, oh, 785 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: it's fast for me to do it myself, but in 786 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,959 Speaker 1: the long run that's not sustainable. As a business grows, 787 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: you don't give people that you know, responsibility themselves, and 788 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: they don't feel like they can control what they're doing 789 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: within the realm of their jobs. So I just learned 790 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: that yes, it is fast for me to do it myself, 791 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: but in the long run it actually isn't better. 792 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 3: So that was a big change for me. 793 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: And now everybody has their own sort of roles that 794 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: they have and I just kind of check in with 795 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: them and oversee them. They'll update me, so I kind 796 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: of know what's going on with everyone, but I'm not 797 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: like in everything. Yeah, a part of every single moving 798 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: piece before. 799 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 2: And that's it would also like open you up so 800 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 2: much just in regards to your capacity to do other 801 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 2: things and really kind of dive deeper into your role 802 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 2: rather than being over everything. It's almost like you're, you know, doubling, yeah, exactly. 803 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: And it also definitely gives me the chance to work 804 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: on the team environment as well. When you're working so 805 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: much micro stuff, you kind of lose track of sometimes 806 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: if the team's feeling flat or like they're not feeling connected. 807 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: And for us, so much of what we do is 808 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: team work. So even when we have a James Cosmetics pitch, 809 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: if Sam says we're releasing this new product in a 810 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: few months, anyone in the business can pitch an idea. 811 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 3: For a phone love that. 812 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: They can be the graphic designer, they can be the 813 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: publicist at Spinn and Co. They could be the audio 814 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: guy at the Spin Studio network. Anyone in the building. 815 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: It could be my mum, she's a receptionist, you know, 816 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: it can be anyone in the building that wants to pitch. 817 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: If they want to join the creative team to be 818 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: a part of this, then they're welcome to. So we 819 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: try to create this foster this environment that everyone can 820 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: get a piece of anything that lights. 821 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 3: Them up in the business. 822 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 2: I love that. 823 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 3: And we have committees. 824 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: So we have like a Christmas Committee because at the 825 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: end of the year, gifting is like a big thing 826 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: for us, and so for a few months, everyone gets 827 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: together and gets to chat about who they think the 828 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,280 Speaker 1: ideas are for the Christmas Committee. 829 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 3: So everyone gets to choose which committee they want to 830 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 3: be on. 831 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: You can be on the product committee, which means that 832 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,760 Speaker 1: you get to try and new James products before anybody 833 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 1: else does. 834 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 3: So we try to really foster. 835 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: This environment that is about team and everyone's equal to 836 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: everyone else. Because Sam and I had worked in so 837 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: many businesses where we didn't feel valued, and we were 838 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: always the kind of people who treated every business as 839 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: though it was our own, and we were putting everything 840 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: into those jobs and not getting the recognition that we 841 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: really deserve. We weren't valued and so we think about 842 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: that in our old roles and always think we don't 843 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: want any of our staff to feel like we did, 844 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: so what would we have changed. Now we're doing that 845 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: with our own business, and you know, it pays off. 846 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: We've had I think three people leave us in eight years, 847 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: and two of them are like still very close friends 848 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: of mine, and one decided to become an actress. 849 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 3: Another one had a baby, you know what I mean. 850 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, to Melbourne, we don't have high turnover at all, 851 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: and that's because people like it here, yes, which is 852 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: you know, a real testament to the work that we're 853 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: trying to put in. That's what we want for our staff. 854 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 2: That's incredible and it's like that's one hundred percent. Like 855 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 2: I remember me and Cooper sitting down and going, you know, 856 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 2: we've hated previous jobs. I worked corporate and yeah, really 857 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 2: felt devalued when I was putting so much of myself 858 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 2: into a role and it's like, what's the point almost 859 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 2: and you almost don't want to go above and beyond 860 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,760 Speaker 2: because you don't feel valued. And so that was something 861 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 2: that we're huge on at Naked Harvest too. And I 862 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 2: also really loved the idea of being like it doesn't 863 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 2: matter what role you have, pitch an idea and get involved, 864 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 2: like there's no ceiling. I think that's yeah, that's really 865 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 2: huge and I'm not gonna lie. We see me and 866 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 2: mel will see your stories on like doing the teen 867 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 2: gay and stuff, and we're like, oh my god, we 868 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 2: want to work at Spinning Coder so we can play 869 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 2: games real because it's silly, but like everyone loves doing 870 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 2: a bit of trivia and like fun. 871 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a big thing that we did during 872 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 1: isolation because we're all working from home for three months 873 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,439 Speaker 1: and we were on Zoom and we would do every 874 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: day we call it Spimbledon, which is like a spin 875 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 1: on Wimbledon, and every day I'd play a game with them, 876 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: So it could have been like picturing. You have to 877 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 1: hold up your drawing and someone would points or whatever 878 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: and then they'd win. At the end of the week, 879 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,320 Speaker 1: I'd go around to everyone's house and drop off safely, 880 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: obviously like a little care package to them for winning. 881 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just about creating that team environment, and 882 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: we're not always perfect at it. 883 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 3: We have high stress things, things go wrong. 884 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course it's just like a normal environment 885 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 1: where we all get stuck in our jobs and we 886 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: get down and it's like, oh god, we're really stressed. 887 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,720 Speaker 1: I'm not going to pretend that it's all like raindom 888 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 1: pors and rainbows here. Yeah, exactly, but we try to 889 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: make sure that we're recognizing those times and we do 890 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: something to counteract it. 891 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, incredible, Okay, rn C fam. I'm going too quickly 892 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 2: interrupt myself to ask you a couple of wellness questions. 893 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 2: Do you get enough sleep? Do you wake up feeling rested? 894 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 2: Do you fall to sleep easily? If you answered no 895 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 2: to any of these? Girlfriend, you need Naked Harvest Supplements 896 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 2: Moon Milk Hot Chocolate. It's a functional blend of unique herbs, minerals, 897 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 2: and vitamins that are going to help your body and 898 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 2: mind unwind and recover. 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If it sounds like something you need, 926 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 2: I also have a sneaky discount for you. You can 927 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 2: just enter Rise and Conquer Podcasts at checkout that is 928 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 2: spelled completely out, no symbols, and I will put a 929 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 2: link in the show notes and the code and the 930 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 2: show notes. But enough about wellness, let's get back into 931 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 2: the show. Well, I want to then now chat about 932 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 2: your business, your baby, which I have just loved seeing. Yeah, 933 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 2: you create and really blossom, and I know that you 934 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 2: did so caught did the Rise and Conker project. Was 935 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 2: it round two? No, it was around one, round one, 936 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 2: So you did the project and yeah, we were chatting 937 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 2: over it on Instagram because you'd always do those like 938 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 2: stories on the Sunday when you you know, did the 939 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 2: weekly bits and then we'd have a little chat. And 940 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 2: then from then you said that you really felt like 941 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 2: the I guess backing to do your own thing and 942 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 2: do something that you're really passionate about. Yeah, which, yeah, 943 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 2: you went off and did your own thing. Can you 944 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 2: tell us about like February, it was June, I think 945 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 2: it was Mindia. 946 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I at that time I was just studying 947 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: my podcast as well, so it was all around that 948 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: same time, it was like your goals got me thinking, oh, 949 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 1: maybe I should have my own I have a whole network, 950 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,400 Speaker 1: maybe I should have my own podcast. And then also 951 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: I was sharing these like printouts printable yes daily. 952 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you always showed your flip book and it's 953 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,399 Speaker 2: something like people would, yeah, enjoy on your. 954 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 3: Story, yes exactly. 955 00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,840 Speaker 1: So I was showing these quotes every day, and I 956 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: also was giving this free like downloadable daily like planner 957 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,359 Speaker 1: or whatever. And so I just thought, like people would 958 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,360 Speaker 1: ask me, could you make this a physical thing that 959 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,319 Speaker 1: we could buy. And then also I thought, well, I 960 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,240 Speaker 1: love this daily flip book that I'm doing with the quotes, 961 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 1: but be great if there was a calendar attached to it. 962 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: So I thought, I'm gonna put my own spin on it, 963 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: and it's spoonful of Sarah. I'm not gonna lie in 964 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:19,759 Speaker 1: my heart. I was like, oh my god, does you 965 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: think I'm like stealing her ideas? I was doing her 966 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: thing every single day. So I told her I was 967 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: doing it because she would always like share my stories. 968 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: And I said to her like, oh, just say, you know, 969 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to create something like this myself, but I'm 970 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: going to change up and do this, and she was 971 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: so supported she even I sent it to her. She 972 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,879 Speaker 1: shared it on her Instagram like women supporting women. 973 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 3: I love that. 974 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 1: And still every day I flip my calendar and I 975 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 1: flip her so I'm still you know what I mean, 976 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 1: I love two quotes, So why not? 977 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think it's important for Aaron to realize, like, 978 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 2: no one reinvents the wheel. Yeah, it's not like you're 979 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 2: going to come out with an idea that is so different, 980 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 2: because it's like, literally everything's been done as long as 981 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 2: you're you know, not literally copying someone's work, and it's 982 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 2: coming from a place that feels authentic to you, you 983 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,359 Speaker 2: and you've got your personal spin on it, like it's so. 984 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And that's what she was like, of course, 985 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 1: like that she's not the only quote coming. Yeah, you 986 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like they exist. I've had one 987 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: on my desk for years. Yeah, and so yeah, it 988 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 1: was kind of like I thought, well, I'm already getting 989 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: asked these questions about should I make these things my own? 990 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 3: Why don't I do it? And I hadn't plan to. 991 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: Release it until this year really, but Sam said to me, like, 992 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:23,799 Speaker 1: what are you waiting for? 993 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know, like time and we 994 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,719 Speaker 3: love effecting everything. Yeah, and he was like, why are 995 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 3: you doing that? And then I'm like, oh, listen to 996 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,839 Speaker 3: my own advice, and. 997 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,839 Speaker 1: So yeah, I just decided to wing it in. Forty five 998 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,799 Speaker 1: days later I released it, and yeah, it's not I'm 999 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,880 Speaker 1: not trying to build like a stationary empire. 1000 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 3: I already have a lot of businesses that I. 1001 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: Love, But it was kay watch out exactly, But it 1002 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 1: was just something that I was passionate and I wanted 1003 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 1: it to be just like an added thing that I 1004 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 1: have in my life that like I'm helping other women 1005 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: be confident in my podcasts and helping people be organized 1006 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: with some of the stationery, and then there's other things 1007 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: that I want to eventually be able to do as well. 1008 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 1: It's just like all part of like what I'm trying 1009 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: to like put out and the world to help people. 1010 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 1: I guess in the way that I know how. 1011 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 2: To, that's incredible and I think all but in saying that, 1012 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 2: like all the best business ideas I think really come 1013 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,880 Speaker 2: from a place where you're trying to, yeah, like feel 1014 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 2: something that you really enjoy yourself and that you're really 1015 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 2: passionate about and you can see that, you know from 1016 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,839 Speaker 2: your Cotney Magnum and Co. Staff, Like, it's just it's 1017 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,720 Speaker 2: got your spin on it. It's got you know, courts 1018 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,800 Speaker 2: feel on it. So it's really really cool to see 1019 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 2: did you have any you know, any doubts, any sort 1020 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 2: of thing that came up that you know was almost 1021 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 2: like that impost of like, who am I to do this? 1022 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,759 Speaker 1: One hundred percent? I'm not an influencer. I don't have 1023 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: a large following. At the time, I think I had 1024 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 1: like five thousand followers, and so of course in my 1025 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 1: head I was like, I don't have enough followers to 1026 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 1: sell any products. So people are going to think that 1027 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 1: I think I'm an influencer and I can start this 1028 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,960 Speaker 1: like who do I think I am? Of course, like 1029 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,719 Speaker 1: I had all of that stuff, but then I thought, 1030 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 1: you know what, No, Like people are asking me in 1031 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 1: my DMS for this. Yes, I don't have a large following, 1032 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 1: but I have a very engaged following. They feel really 1033 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,280 Speaker 1: connected to me because I have been so open honest 1034 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: on my Instagram that I get people selling me their 1035 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,839 Speaker 1: stories of the struggles that they're having all the time 1036 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 1: and that they have cancer or their family members have cancer, 1037 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,759 Speaker 1: So like, I have a very close knit community that 1038 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,680 Speaker 1: I'm a part of, and so I thought, you know, 1039 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,719 Speaker 1: this is something that they're asking for. Even if I 1040 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,560 Speaker 1: don't sell thousands of them, if I sell a couple 1041 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,360 Speaker 1: of hundred, like I sell ten, it is what it is. 1042 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:28,719 Speaker 1: I'm just going to put it out there and see 1043 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,239 Speaker 1: what happens. And thankfully, you know, it went really well. 1044 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 1: It also didn't hurt that a lot of my friends 1045 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,000 Speaker 1: are influencers and they posted it for me, and so 1046 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,239 Speaker 1: that was good. You on my networking skills all these years. 1047 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:39,880 Speaker 3: That was excellent. 1048 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 1: Ter exactly, but yeah, so it was really amazing and 1049 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,839 Speaker 1: I could see that it really did show me even 1050 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 1: as a business owner with Spin, we work with big, 1051 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,720 Speaker 1: big influences that you know, people with millions of followers, 1052 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,240 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of followers that we work with, didn't 1053 00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 1: work with a lot of micro people, and did show 1054 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,759 Speaker 1: me the power of a small, engaged following and how 1055 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,280 Speaker 1: that can be a lot more powerful than a large 1056 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:04,680 Speaker 1: following that isn't engaged. 1057 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 3: Sometimes. 1058 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,560 Speaker 1: You know you have talked about before how you were like, 1059 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,760 Speaker 1: I want to focus on making sure that my followers 1060 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,360 Speaker 1: are really engaged. It's not just about numbers and growth, 1061 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 1: and that it's about doing both of those things at 1062 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 1: the exact same time, growth and engagement. And that's really important, 1063 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: especially when you are trying to sell something yourself, that 1064 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 1: it's not. 1065 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,719 Speaker 3: Just about other people's paid posts, you know what I mean. 1066 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,279 Speaker 1: If you're trying to sell your own product, you've got 1067 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,360 Speaker 1: to make sure that people are engaged. Yeah, and that 1068 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 1: you know, your mission as well is just beyond naked harvest. 1069 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,280 Speaker 1: It's you want to make people feel better about themselves 1070 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 1: and be happier and healthier in that mission that you're 1071 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 1: trying to spread, you know, help women to grow and 1072 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,359 Speaker 1: be more positive and all of that. So being more 1073 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,600 Speaker 1: engaged is really key to that element. And so yeah, 1074 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,279 Speaker 1: it was really heartwarming to know that people would care 1075 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 1: give a shit about what I do. 1076 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 3: And yeah, it was really exciting. I can't lie. I 1077 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,520 Speaker 3: kept saying myself, I only sell ten, Like that's okay, I'm. 1078 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,879 Speaker 1: Sure I would have been like a little bit when 1079 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 1: where we sell ten, when I was getting hundreds of oiders, Yeah, oh. 1080 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,440 Speaker 2: My god, yeah you sold out, didn't you. 1081 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, like completely shocked and like calling the printer like 1082 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,000 Speaker 1: can you do more really quickly? 1083 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 3: I wasn't expecting this. 1084 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 2: I think, honestly, I love that you touched on that 1085 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,319 Speaker 2: because that is such a huge thing that people need 1086 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,040 Speaker 2: to know is you know, you could have an influencer 1087 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 2: who has one hundred thousand followers but maybe only five 1088 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,680 Speaker 2: thousand are engaged, will sell the same as Courtney with 1089 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,720 Speaker 2: five thousand followers engage. And I know, like bigger brands 1090 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,480 Speaker 2: sometimes get caught up on that, but especially yeah, if 1091 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,319 Speaker 2: you're doing your own thing, I think, don't get caught 1092 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,239 Speaker 2: up on the numbers. And also another big thing to 1093 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,439 Speaker 2: realize is when starting your own thing, Like I had 1094 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,279 Speaker 2: the owner of Banging Body on the podcast, and you know, 1095 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,880 Speaker 2: she's not an influencer, and she created this epic social 1096 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 2: media brand. And then like I think, sometimes we can 1097 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,759 Speaker 2: have such a limiting beliefs around Oh well, if I 1098 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,239 Speaker 2: want a social media brand, I have to be an influencer, 1099 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,880 Speaker 2: and you know, these things pop up and it's just 1100 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,680 Speaker 2: really cool to see you, you know, have those limiting beliefs, 1101 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,080 Speaker 2: has those things and be able to com combat then 1102 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,800 Speaker 2: and then be like, oh wow, it's actually really successful exactly. 1103 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,400 Speaker 1: And I didn't even know what a limiting belief was 1104 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,399 Speaker 1: until your course, and that really like helped me be like, oh, 1105 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 1: I actually don't believe I can do these goals, so 1106 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,560 Speaker 1: I was writing it down and that's a massive problem. 1107 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,240 Speaker 2: Well, let's chat quickly about limiting beliefs, because well, guys, 1108 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,719 Speaker 2: make sure you listen. I'm pretty sure I've already reposted 1109 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,000 Speaker 2: your episode of mind, so I will link that in 1110 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,399 Speaker 2: the show notes, well your episode, because if we talk 1111 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,600 Speaker 2: the whole time about limited place, which is so huge 1112 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,440 Speaker 2: but basically a limiting belief and R and C. Fam 1113 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,920 Speaker 2: you should know this, but maybe you've just come here 1114 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 2: formidden you maybe you're new here. If you're new here, 1115 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,960 Speaker 2: so a limiting belief is, you know, a belief that 1116 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 2: we have in our brain that is something like Court said, 1117 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,520 Speaker 2: of I don't have enough followers, I'm not going to 1118 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,040 Speaker 2: sell you know, my stationary and then it's picking that 1119 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,040 Speaker 2: and going, well, this is actually just belief, it's not fact. 1120 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,719 Speaker 2: And I always say the whole is it written you 1121 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 2: know in stone that no one in that occasion can 1122 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,640 Speaker 2: do that, And it's about really disarming that limiting belief 1123 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,160 Speaker 2: and realizing that it's not it doesn't actually have any weight. 1124 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,320 Speaker 2: And I absolutely love because we chatted a lot about 1125 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,879 Speaker 2: your limiting beliefs, But what's another limiting belief you sort 1126 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,280 Speaker 2: of had that after the course you were like, oh. 1127 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, well a lot for me is around Sam. So 1128 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,200 Speaker 1: he's such a dominant personality and he's so good at 1129 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 1: what he does that I would always end up comparing 1130 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,080 Speaker 1: myself to him with my own skills. And we have 1131 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,799 Speaker 1: very different skills sets, so I shouldn't have been comparing. 1132 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,480 Speaker 1: But I always had this limiting belief that I couldn't 1133 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,640 Speaker 1: network because Sam was so much better than me. Christine, 1134 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,080 Speaker 1: he can be good and I can be good in 1135 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,799 Speaker 1: different ways at networking, And that was something from your course. 1136 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, Like I can build 1137 00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,080 Speaker 1: relationships with people, and I can network in a different 1138 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,000 Speaker 1: way that he does. He can walk into a room 1139 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,279 Speaker 1: and everyone's like eating out of the palm of his hand. 1140 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,960 Speaker 1: That's not where I'm at. I'm more at that one 1141 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,719 Speaker 1: on one I'm in your DMS, commenting on your Instagram, 1142 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,400 Speaker 1: and like that's how I kind of am able to 1143 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:12,600 Speaker 1: build these relationships. 1144 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,400 Speaker 2: But also caught like there would be people who just 1145 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,040 Speaker 2: I don't know because of stuff they've got going on, 1146 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,600 Speaker 2: who would meet Sam and he's not their cup of tea, 1147 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,200 Speaker 2: whereas they would meet you and be like, she's my 1148 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,399 Speaker 2: cup of tea, like we And I think that's such 1149 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,319 Speaker 2: a huge light bulb moment of realizing that if you 1150 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,560 Speaker 2: are kind of completely yourself and you do things in 1151 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,120 Speaker 2: your own way, you're going to attract your community. 1152 00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:35,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 1153 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,600 Speaker 1: And I think it's so easy to get caught up 1154 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 1: in comparison about what other people are doing, but everyone 1155 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,000 Speaker 1: is totally different, and what you have to offer the 1156 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,600 Speaker 1: world is something just as good, but it can be different. 1157 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,839 Speaker 1: That doesn't make it less good, you know what I mean. 1158 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,440 Speaker 2: That's trying to say no one hundred percent. And I 1159 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,719 Speaker 2: remember even going through that in my journey, even like 1160 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,239 Speaker 2: with being an influencer and seeing other influencers, you know, 1161 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,640 Speaker 2: do things so c way of being like, oh, well, 1162 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,080 Speaker 2: you know, I need to be uploading a YouTube this 1163 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,160 Speaker 2: amount of time, or I need to be doing this, 1164 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,799 Speaker 2: this and that. But it's like if it doesn't feel 1165 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,920 Speaker 2: good to you, if it doesn't feel like natural and authentic, 1166 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 2: it's not going to work the same way for that 1167 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,520 Speaker 2: other person. So I think that's such an excellent point 1168 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,759 Speaker 2: to be like, stop comparing yourself, what do you want 1169 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,399 Speaker 2: to do what feels good for you. Sorry, guys, that's 1170 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,000 Speaker 2: a tick up and go after that. 1171 00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's like, you're definitely easy when you're 1172 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,719 Speaker 3: scrolling through Instagram and you're seeing everyone's highlight rules. As 1173 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,640 Speaker 3: I said earlier, to be like, oh, well. 1174 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,000 Speaker 1: She's twenty three and she's making millions of dollars on 1175 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,920 Speaker 1: Instagram and I'm nowhere. Or she's twenty five and she's 1176 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,480 Speaker 1: bought her first house, or she's having. 1177 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:42,839 Speaker 3: A baby and I need to do things. 1178 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Instagram makes it really hard because it 1179 00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,640 Speaker 1: looks like everyone's an influencer and everyone's killing it. It's 1180 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,719 Speaker 1: not the case. And you can't compare your journey with 1181 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,040 Speaker 1: somebody else's, you know, like when you reach success at 1182 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,440 Speaker 1: any age, that's your own timeline. And what you think 1183 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 1: is success what I think it suxists can be two 1184 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,359 Speaker 1: different things. Yeah, and that's completely fine, So you can't 1185 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:05,239 Speaker 1: get caught up in that. 1186 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:05,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1187 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,200 Speaker 2: I was actually recording a solo episode and I was 1188 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,160 Speaker 2: chatting about, you know, like how we have different things 1189 00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,560 Speaker 2: on our hearts. So for example, caught like you really 1190 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,120 Speaker 2: wanting to do the stationary business and that being a 1191 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,880 Speaker 2: passion of you Obviously that's going to be different for 1192 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,040 Speaker 2: Sam because he has other passions. But that's like the 1193 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,800 Speaker 2: beauty of being human is like we have these things 1194 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,200 Speaker 2: on our hearts that are like really in our intuition 1195 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,720 Speaker 2: and like, you know, to be deep in our soul. 1196 00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,400 Speaker 2: It's for a reason. So yeah, if we can kind 1197 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,960 Speaker 2: of block out the noise, yeah, and be like I'm 1198 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,239 Speaker 2: actually just going to look within and do my own thing, 1199 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,879 Speaker 2: that's when we find success. That's when we find our 1200 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,760 Speaker 2: purpose and really get into the good stuff. 1201 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:45,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1202 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,840 Speaker 1: I think it's about looking at your core values and 1203 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,520 Speaker 1: getting to the bottom of why you have those as 1204 00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,200 Speaker 1: your core values, and then what can you do in 1205 00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,440 Speaker 1: your life to deliver on those core values? 1206 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:58,240 Speaker 2: I guess. Yeah, incredible, So caught you. So much has happened. 1207 00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,640 Speaker 2: You're now a year cancer free, You've got your in 1208 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:07,799 Speaker 2: stationary company, you run multiple businesses. Jesus Christ, what's next 1209 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,120 Speaker 2: for you? Is there anything exciting happening this year? 1210 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,359 Speaker 3: I'm I mean, I've had a few things that I've 1211 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,600 Speaker 3: been like thinking about that I want to do, but 1212 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,920 Speaker 3: I kind of the minute I finished the cancer treatment, 1213 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,160 Speaker 3: I kind of, I guess, had a bit of a hangover. 1214 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,960 Speaker 1: Where it was like I was working on over I 1215 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:23,680 Speaker 1: felt like I was on a hamstabll like trying to 1216 00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,800 Speaker 1: like make sure. I was like, be positive, be positive, 1217 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,520 Speaker 1: do all the things, live your life, like you know, 1218 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,360 Speaker 1: don't die and regret anything. I was like trying to 1219 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,440 Speaker 1: do so much that then when I finish. 1220 00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,800 Speaker 3: The treatment, I was like I need a breath. 1221 00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I'm in that moment where I'm just like, 1222 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,000 Speaker 1: it's okay if you're not releasing a new stationary product 1223 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,200 Speaker 1: every single month, Courtney, Like what happens nothing, I have 1224 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,719 Speaker 1: several other successful businesses. Yeah, it's not for money, so 1225 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,920 Speaker 1: just stop putting pressure on yourself. So I'm kind of 1226 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,840 Speaker 1: in the moment where I'm just sitting down and assessing, 1227 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,439 Speaker 1: like where to from here, and don't just do things 1228 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:54,960 Speaker 1: for the sake of it because you think that's what 1229 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,840 Speaker 1: you're supposed to do. And so yeah, I'm definitely thinking 1230 00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,560 Speaker 1: more along those lines of like how can I have 1231 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,480 Speaker 1: an impact on other people more not just through my 1232 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,520 Speaker 1: Instagram And that's kind of the area I think I 1233 00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,879 Speaker 1: might go into potentially at the end of the year 1234 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,640 Speaker 1: if I want to. If not, we'll just see what 1235 00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,120 Speaker 1: is feeling good for me. Before I get through my hangover. 1236 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:12,600 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 1237 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,080 Speaker 2: I love that you touch on that because it is 1238 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,200 Speaker 2: it's so important that we're not just doing, doing, doing 1239 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,480 Speaker 2: and trying to beat other. You know. It's almost like 1240 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,400 Speaker 2: we finish something and we're like, what's next. And I'm 1241 00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,400 Speaker 2: so guilty of this where I'm just constantly looking for 1242 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,880 Speaker 2: the next thing, and if we actually just sit and 1243 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,239 Speaker 2: we're like, what are we actually doing this for? And 1244 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,719 Speaker 2: it's usually for a feeling, but it's like we can 1245 00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,680 Speaker 2: have that feeling now, we can sit in that and 1246 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,200 Speaker 2: we can bask. And I'm actually going through a similar 1247 00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,520 Speaker 2: period where I'm like I actually just want to chill 1248 00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,879 Speaker 2: for a bit and really kind of relish and sit 1249 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,880 Speaker 2: in this because it feels like I've been climbing and 1250 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,880 Speaker 2: doing and love that, love the hustle, but it's like, 1251 00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,000 Speaker 2: let's yeah, let's enjoy life. And I love that you 1252 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,439 Speaker 2: touch on that because I think not enough people kind 1253 00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,080 Speaker 2: of express that, and there's always like, oh, I'm doing 1254 00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:00,640 Speaker 2: this goal and it's a body. 1255 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,759 Speaker 1: So if I'm doing nothing that that's a bad thing 1256 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,280 Speaker 1: or I'm lazy and I need to like reprogram myself 1257 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,640 Speaker 1: to be like no, that that's all self care time 1258 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,319 Speaker 1: is also just as valuable as working time. 1259 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:15,440 Speaker 3: But yeah, different ways. 1260 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,200 Speaker 1: And this is going to sound really silly, but I 1261 00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,200 Speaker 1: watched the Paris Hilton documentary last year whenever it came out. 1262 00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,920 Speaker 1: It's a good yeah, And she says in it and 1263 00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,799 Speaker 1: the interviewing NICKI her sister too, and they were talking 1264 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,120 Speaker 1: about how her goal in life was always to become 1265 00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,480 Speaker 1: a millionaire and then then she'd be happy. 1266 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:31,399 Speaker 3: And then she said, and then. 1267 00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,400 Speaker 1: When I became a millionaire, now all I want to 1268 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,480 Speaker 1: do is become a billionaire and then I'll be happy. 1269 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,719 Speaker 1: And it just really was like a shock to me 1270 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,120 Speaker 1: because I was like, wow, Like, it doesn't matter what 1271 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,360 Speaker 1: goal you're achieving, it's not actually making you happy because. 1272 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:44,040 Speaker 3: It's the next thing. 1273 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,040 Speaker 1: You're allway, So you need to get to the bottom 1274 00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,520 Speaker 1: of that. Like money isn't actually what's going to make 1275 00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:49,000 Speaker 1: her happy. 1276 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean. It's like that we 1277 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,200 Speaker 3: get so chase the next thing. 1278 00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,239 Speaker 2: It's next chasing the feeling, and it's like you don't 1279 00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,480 Speaker 2: actually realize you can have that feeling now, Yeah, you 1280 00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:58,839 Speaker 2: can give it to yourself. 1281 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:00,200 Speaker 3: Yeah in different way. 1282 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I definitely need to watch that doco because 1283 00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:03,880 Speaker 2: I've heard you talk about it. 1284 00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:05,600 Speaker 3: It was quite interesting. There's like obviously a lot of 1285 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:06,680 Speaker 3: other stuff. Yeah, it's not. 1286 00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:11,480 Speaker 2: The main point. Yeah, but I love that Paris Hilton. Well, Courtney, 1287 00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,000 Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming on the podcast. You 1288 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,759 Speaker 2: were just such a delight than for having me and yeah, 1289 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,120 Speaker 2: just as you know real and just you in person. 1290 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,680 Speaker 2: And I just want to say how incredible proud, how 1291 00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,960 Speaker 2: incredibly proud I am just to see you killing it 1292 00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,399 Speaker 2: life and just doing your own thing. And it's yeah, 1293 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:30,600 Speaker 2: it's also a big part of that. 1294 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,040 Speaker 3: So thank you very m It. 1295 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,200 Speaker 2: Makes me so happy. And can you just let the 1296 00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,480 Speaker 2: audience know where they can find you, where they can 1297 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,279 Speaker 2: follow these amazing stories I'm talking about. Also, Courtney does 1298 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,279 Speaker 2: cooking stories, oh my god, and she does this like 1299 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:44,160 Speaker 2: toasty thing. 1300 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,839 Speaker 1: I haven't toasty Tuesday. This week I was on set 1301 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:47,640 Speaker 1: doing a photo. 1302 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:51,759 Speaker 2: Show you didn't do it sake. So it's like it's 1303 00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,440 Speaker 2: a lot of fun over there. So make sure you 1304 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:54,200 Speaker 2: go follow courts. 1305 00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's at Courtney mangan All my podcast is. 1306 00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,279 Speaker 2: She was the fire amazing and I will check those 1307 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,160 Speaker 2: in the show notes. Thank you for listening for another 1308 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,200 Speaker 2: rn C episode. I really appreciate taking the time to 1309 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,879 Speaker 2: be here with me, and also for taking the time 1310 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,879 Speaker 2: for yourself. 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