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Speaker 1: three sixty and it is time for the big issues,

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Speaker 2: We've got Dave told no good morning to.

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Speaker 3: You, Good morning Katie, and.

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Speaker 4: I don't know who this bike in the corner creeping,

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Speaker 2: Like move back. When you walked into the studio.

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Speaker 5: Looks like a rat looking over. A hedge.

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Speaker 3: Is on the bottom. I can understand your gray something

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Speaker 2: It can't explain a different person.

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Speaker 6: It's coming off today. All right, it's done. I've going

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Speaker 6: to dinner with council colleagues tonight. Got the cat commissioner

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Speaker 7: It's a little tell tale sign of people without self respect.

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Speaker 5: So it took a.

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Speaker 6: While to get it going because it's just used to

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Speaker 5: Oh oh, it's terrible. That's got to go. So I've

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Speaker 5: got a lot of respect for Sana.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Well, let's talk about some of the issues fighting around.

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Speaker 1: There's a few things that we want to get into,

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Speaker 1: but I do want to go to first this we've

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Speaker 2: Obviously have COVID the omra con cases.

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Speaker 1: So the Chief Medical Officer, Paul Kelly, says the symptoms

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Speaker 1: returning on one of those repat flights. The Health Minister

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Speaker 1: there's no risk to the wider community that person straight

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Speaker 1: But this does put a bit of a spanner in

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Speaker 7: I think it's fair to say I'm not really worried

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Speaker 7: about the omnichrome virus as much as I'm worried about

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Speaker 3: You know, that is awfully scary.

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Speaker 7: But the other interesting thing about this one is you

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Speaker 3: You really do, because.

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Speaker 7: If you feel that, the other thing is if you

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Speaker 7: just simply taken a piece. It's quite moronic.

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Speaker 6: Well I've had I've actually broken my COVID nineteen virginity.

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Speaker 5: Well, no, I know some and he's got it.

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Speaker 6: It's taken. It's taken all this time the first time. Yes,

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Speaker 6: one of my former footballers. And he said that I

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Speaker 5: He lives in Bendigo.

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Speaker 6: He's a school teacher, so he's a genuine, genuine, genuine

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Speaker 6: And so what comes out what he said it was.

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Speaker 6: What he said was he's just felt really tired. And

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Speaker 5: I just couldn't get out of bed.

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Speaker 1: Well, both my niece and nephew had COVID. They live

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Speaker 1: And there in the UK, you have to test yourself.

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Speaker 1: Both of them crooked to different levels and and look,

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Speaker 2: Oh, do you know anyone who's had it? Is it

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Speaker 7: Good represent two out of three people of it know

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Speaker 2: It because you actually, we've been so we've been so

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Speaker 5: We have the done a great job.

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Speaker 6: You can't deny the fact that, you know, the government

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Speaker 3: Yep, argu you reckon the government did that.

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Speaker 5: They can't.

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Speaker 7: You're the most isolated places in the world.

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Speaker 3: You think it's a government do it?

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Speaker 5: Still, it's good coming to day. There's other parts of the.

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Speaker 7: World that company here. It's going everywhere. It's going to

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Speaker 7: be everywhere. And the thing is, you know, the JAB

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Speaker 1: From it here, but we all know that, but it

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Speaker 5: Happy were we when Tolly got vaccinated.

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Speaker 2: It was surprised he was worried about putting it.

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Speaker 6: Was out there smoking a cigarette and telling me how

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Speaker 5: As it all is down on another gasp and there's

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Speaker 6: Cigarette because we don't we want the big fellow around

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Speaker 3: I reckon they're just taking the piece with it.

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Speaker 1: We did just catch up with Senator Sam McMahon. She

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Speaker 7: Well, politics is sort of quite interesting. It's a bit

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Speaker 7: So it'll be interesting to see what happens.

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Speaker 6: It's funny ever since she got this endorsed, basically when

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Speaker 6: So she's basically broke the shackles and she's out.

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Speaker 5: Job after the next election.

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Speaker 7: Talking about inside stuff. But the other thing that's I

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Speaker 7: She seems to be getting good, solid political advice. Now

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Speaker 1: And the thing that I like, the thing that I

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Speaker 1: So essentially Labor had given up their spots so that

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Speaker 1: or discussed early next year.

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Speaker 2: So will I.

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Speaker 1: Suppose all kind of come down to a little bit

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Speaker 7: the last twenty years. It's completely different Parliament, different players

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the two facets of it obviously are the rights

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Speaker 6: you don't find too many Territorians that will defend being

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Speaker 5: Of the people the issue is, Yeah, it depends, but

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Speaker 6: Of it is people that want to have the right

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Speaker 6: I think for me it's about equality Austraians, you know,

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Speaker 6: we should have equal rights on this and Victoria had

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Speaker 6: be given the same rights as other Australians now, I.

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Speaker 7: Think, you know, on that point though, it's interesting how

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Speaker 7: You know, it's all good well to sit there and

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Speaker 7: say we've got to have rights to determine euthanasia, but

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Speaker 7: sit there and ask them whether we should have the

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Speaker 7: and whether the Aborige land rights actually be taken away

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Speaker 7: lot of people would sit there and say, well, that'd

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Speaker 7: be a great thing. But I can tell you what,

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Speaker 7: and you'd know yourself highly from past experience, that there'd

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Speaker 1: And speaking of these different issues, these different federal issues,

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Speaker 7: Well, to me, it's inevitable sooner or later, you're going

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Speaker 7: for God's sakes, you know, is it too much to

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Speaker 1: Well, the Indigenous Australians Minister ken White, He's insisted that

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Speaker 2: He said no voter.

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Speaker 1: Will be denied the right to vote, but obviously wanted

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Speaker 5: You think, get a life, But it's a very small proportion.

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Speaker 6: And I think the thing about voting, and I've always

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Speaker 5: So I don't think it's a big issue.

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Speaker 6: I don't think it's something that has to be pushed

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Speaker 7: This weekend, of course, is the New South Wales local

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Speaker 3: I didn't know whether you're aware of this. You will

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Speaker 7: and you know what in New South Wales now nobody

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Speaker 2: Their phone, and.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, inevitably they have to identify themselves before they're going

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Speaker 3: All these Bedweathers still wet in their bed about.

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Speaker 7: COVID and that sort of stuff, it's more than likely

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Speaker 3: Get into vote here. Checking across the country, well, that

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Speaker 1: The problems that we've had though with the Catherine outbreak,

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Speaker 2: So I do think that it's a.

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Speaker 1: Little bit different here in the Northern Territory to what

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Speaker 7: And you know, Harley made the point about sixteen thousand

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Speaker 5: Is times that day, well well there you go. You know,

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Speaker 1: I told you that.

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Speaker 5: That's the party told you.

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Speaker 6: So I voted at about six different booths that day

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Speaker 7: But look, you know, the fact is you've got a

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Speaker 7: Something is important as voting. I think it's just makes

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Speaker 6: And I think if we ever went to electronic voting,

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Speaker 7: So after every single election campaign, party members of all

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Speaker 7: don't have people there who can speak in language, laborer

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Speaker 7: you know. But to sit there and say there's no truth,

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Speaker 7: just have a system of identification to say who you are,

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Speaker 3: You only vaight once.

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Speaker 1: Well, look we are going to take a very short break.

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Speaker 1: It is just ten minutes away from eleven o'clock. You

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Speaker 1: government confirmed a police watchhouse has been placed on a

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Speaker 2: So this dart has shown that.

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Speaker 1: Almost sixty young people per day, almost all of whom

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Speaker 1: Pressure release that just came out from the Northern Territory

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Speaker 2: They've now been apprehended by the police.

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Speaker 1: It was reported as being stolen from a hotel earlier

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Speaker 1: Like to me, I don't think that we can pretend

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Speaker 7: Oh, it's a slap on the wrist any end. I mean,

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Speaker 7: they're anti police. There's nothing of any decency that comes out.

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Speaker 3: Of the I just can't. They haven't been wound up.

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Speaker 1: They do have some good reporters who are doing you know,

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Speaker 1: You know, is like, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: There's a reason why they've been picked.

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Speaker 7: People are getting terrorized all around town by this bloody

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Speaker 7: And one of the ab se LA meant about, oh,

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Speaker 1: A terrible situation when you've got a ten year old

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Speaker 5: If you like that, Katie, I think we need to.

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Speaker 6: You know, there's no silver bullet in regards to law

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Speaker 6: at risk. And certainly in Parmeston we know we've got

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Speaker 6: a big youth engagement plan out there through Council Funderbod

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Speaker 6: I think when people don't have hope, that's when you

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Speaker 3: What's a crime rate like in Parmiston.

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Speaker 6: our Safer Communities meeting, the police come and they go

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Speaker 6: through the crime stats at the start of the meeting.

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Speaker 6: And so because we've had an election and we haven't

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Speaker 6: had a current meeting.

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Speaker 3: Tell me it's as bad as a northern suburb.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't believe it is our sports.

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't be I'd only be making it up if

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Speaker 6: I tried to say it was bad or it was

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Speaker 6: good or whatever it was.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, is raising the age of criminal responsibility

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Speaker 1: going to make a difference, because if we're talking about

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Speaker 1: ten year olds or whether we you know, whether somebody

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Speaker 1: goes to don Dale when they're teen or when they're twelve. Like,

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Speaker 1: the reality is, shouldn't there be other programs and things

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Speaker 1: in place already before it gets to the point of

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Speaker 1: someone going into.

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Speaker 7: This mu This is decades of problems, you know, the

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Speaker 7: seventies or eighties. I think they got rid of the

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Speaker 7: cane in schools. You know when I went to school,

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Speaker 7: I got the cane every single year.

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Speaker 6: Very single years, you know, and people would get excelled

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Speaker 6: and held back and all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 7: And I can say I know I've particular instance. Fellow said, look,

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Speaker 7: my kid's not performing at school. Went to talk to

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Speaker 7: the headmaster, said, look, I'd like to keep him back

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Speaker 7: a year. Oh, I know you can't do that. What'll

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Speaker 7: do to his self esteem? And you know he's going

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Speaker 7: to be an older kid in a class of younger kids.

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Speaker 7: You know, you sort of sit there and think, well,

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Speaker 7: but he hasn't learned what he's supposed to have learned.

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Speaker 3: But oh, it doesn't matter. We just moved them forward.

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Speaker 7: But my point now is a teacher can't even yell

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Speaker 7: at a child, and you know if they do, they're

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Speaker 7: up on some sort of harassment thing or bullying charge

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Speaker 7: or something like that. And you know that there is

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Speaker 7: absolutely no discipline whatsoever in schools anymore.

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Speaker 3: We've walked away.

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Speaker 7: I'm not advocating the reintroduction of the cane at all,

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Speaker 7: but what.

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Speaker 6: I'd suggest is it there he introduced last year and

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Speaker 6: a lot of home home parent parenting.

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Speaker 5: My footballer is down south, he said.

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Speaker 6: His first day, first day is parent when he was

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Speaker 6: at home teaching his kids.

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Speaker 5: He goes day one of home teaching.

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Speaker 6: He put on Facebook, the cane has been reintroduced.

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Speaker 5: Of his kids with all their heads down, writing.

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Speaker 6: Working hard in his stick from the bodies.

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Speaker 7: You know, now, someone may finished girl seventeen or eighteen

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Speaker 7: years old. They've never experienced any sort of discipline in

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Speaker 7: their lives, and we wonder why that when they get

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Speaker 7: at a young age.

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Speaker 3: These people feel like they're bulletproof.

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Speaker 7: And can't be touched, and they can do anything they

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Speaker 7: like because they've never actually experienced discipline.

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Speaker 3: Mike Carli says, there's.

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Speaker 7: None at home, certainly in those years when I was

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Speaker 7: a kid, Like I say, I get the cane, but

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Speaker 7: it was nothing compared to the flogging that I'd get

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Speaker 7: at home.

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Speaker 3: The cane once once, the tea, that's right, once, the teacher. Once.

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Speaker 7: The headmaster rang my parents and said, look then you're

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Speaker 7: a jew in here and disciplined him.

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Speaker 6: I'm glad he's had a crack at naughty boys, he's

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Speaker 6: had a crack at the ABC. Imagine if we had

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Speaker 6: to board up public servants out of time, were holding

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Speaker 6: down the desk servants.

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Speaker 3: I just don't like them. Shiny bum grobble up all

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Speaker 3: our money.

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Speaker 1: We run out of time, and let's just reiterate, then

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Speaker 1: three point sixty the big is shoes is not calling

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Speaker 1: for a reintroduction of the cane in the.

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Speaker 5: About a little bit of discipline.

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Speaker 2: Thank you vote so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Don't told that Damian Hale always