1 00:00:11,780 --> 00:00:14,989 UU: Price target. Price target. 2 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,980 S1: Hold on. Welcome to the West Tigers podcast is episode 3 00:00:23,980 --> 00:00:28,720 S1: number 240, the mid-week show. And it's Eddie Otto, joined 4 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,550 S1: by only Steve Stratton. Steve, what's going on? Looks like Gary, 5 00:00:33,550 --> 00:00:37,000 S1: Joel and Declan a rats deserting a sinking ship after 6 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:37,780 S1: two losses. 7 00:00:37,930 --> 00:00:42,010 S2: Yeah well, I think Gary is still curled up in 8 00:00:42,010 --> 00:00:45,610 S2: a corner at Lockhart Oval somewhere. And Declan's caught a 9 00:00:45,610 --> 00:00:48,220 S2: plane for the coast. Mate, he's gone. Yeah, I think. 10 00:00:48,220 --> 00:00:51,490 S1: He's back to, uh. Is he from Scotland or Wales? 11 00:00:51,490 --> 00:00:55,840 S1: He'll get annoyed that he's following Celtic Link rather than 12 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,990 S1: the Tigers. But, Steve, we will look back briefly on Sunday. 13 00:00:58,990 --> 00:01:02,110 S1: I know it was a horror show and you know, 14 00:01:02,110 --> 00:01:03,460 S1: I did get to hear a little bit of your 15 00:01:03,460 --> 00:01:06,430 S1: thoughts on Sunday before me. Gary and Joel did the 16 00:01:06,430 --> 00:01:09,670 S1: podcast on Monday. You described it as a failure. I 17 00:01:09,670 --> 00:01:12,550 S1: said it was an apt. I guess my question to 18 00:01:12,550 --> 00:01:16,330 S1: you is, do your emotions sort of ease after a 19 00:01:16,330 --> 00:01:18,340 S1: few days or do you sort of see it in 20 00:01:18,340 --> 00:01:21,190 S1: the cold light of day is very similar. By Wednesday. 21 00:01:21,340 --> 00:01:25,120 S2: My emotions have definitely eased, that's for sure. Like doing that, 22 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:30,130 S2: doing that pod Sunday night is always dangerous because you 23 00:01:30,130 --> 00:01:34,479 S2: are still highly emotional. But my my opinion on on 24 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,620 S2: the on the game hasn't changed. I still maintain it 25 00:01:38,620 --> 00:01:41,770 S2: was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from 26 00:01:41,770 --> 00:01:44,200 S2: a Tigers team. And I know there's going to be 27 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,720 S2: lots of debate about that and it's early season and 28 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,600 S2: is that too harsh and all that sort of thing. 29 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:54,340 S2: And I just maintain they had so much to play for. 30 00:01:54,460 --> 00:01:57,970 S2: The season started with so much promise. There was a 31 00:01:57,970 --> 00:02:01,180 S2: lot of talk about changes and how proactive the team 32 00:02:01,180 --> 00:02:05,590 S2: had been. Probably too much talk, really put put pressure 33 00:02:05,590 --> 00:02:07,750 S2: on them I reckon. And then when they came out 34 00:02:07,750 --> 00:02:10,570 S2: in round one and that was a poor performance and 35 00:02:10,570 --> 00:02:12,730 S2: you can accept that, but then to follow it up 36 00:02:12,730 --> 00:02:18,310 S2: with what was just a disastrous afternoon, every single thing 37 00:02:18,310 --> 00:02:21,520 S2: that could go against the night went against the Knights 38 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:27,010 S2: and we still couldn't. We we couldn't do anything. We hardly, 39 00:02:27,010 --> 00:02:31,060 S2: you know, shot a shot across their their bow at all. 40 00:02:31,060 --> 00:02:36,670 S2: You know, we were rudderless. We were just dead, you know. So. No, 41 00:02:36,669 --> 00:02:38,169 S2: it hasn't. It hasn't changed. 42 00:02:38,260 --> 00:02:40,540 S1: No. I mean, I think there'll be a bit of 43 00:02:40,540 --> 00:02:43,419 S1: soul searching to do during the week because like you said, 44 00:02:43,419 --> 00:02:46,450 S1: you know, Steve, it's not I mean, teams have started 45 00:02:46,450 --> 00:02:49,660 S1: out one two before. And, you know, it's not unusual 46 00:02:49,660 --> 00:02:51,580 S1: for teams to start. Oh and two, but it's it's 47 00:02:51,580 --> 00:02:54,910 S1: sort of the context of where our club is positioned 48 00:02:54,910 --> 00:02:57,490 S1: at the moment, sadly, coming off a wooden spoon. And 49 00:02:57,490 --> 00:02:59,410 S1: then you get a new side like the Dolphins that 50 00:02:59,410 --> 00:03:02,169 S1: win two in a row who've been together for ten seconds, 51 00:03:02,169 --> 00:03:04,390 S1: even the Dragons came out, had a big win. The 52 00:03:04,389 --> 00:03:07,600 S1: Bulldogs have had a big win. So sadly, as we've 53 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,630 S1: seen earlier this week, the press is already squarely focused 54 00:03:10,630 --> 00:03:12,730 S1: on the Tigers. And you have to say, you know, 55 00:03:12,730 --> 00:03:16,269 S1: not unfairly in the instance of this performance on Sunday. 56 00:03:16,510 --> 00:03:19,570 S2: No, it's it's unfair the way we are constantly the 57 00:03:19,570 --> 00:03:22,840 S2: centre of media attention all the time. And and and 58 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,220 S2: there actually I find some of them are now getting 59 00:03:27,220 --> 00:03:30,550 S2: to the point where it's just quite laughable they're treating 60 00:03:30,550 --> 00:03:31,720 S2: us well. I find that. 61 00:03:32,470 --> 00:03:35,320 S1: I the thing that annoys me is not so much 62 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,770 S1: the criticism, but just the, the yeah. The targeting or 63 00:03:38,770 --> 00:03:41,590 S1: the smugness that goes with it. They almost, you know, 64 00:03:41,590 --> 00:03:43,510 S1: the show I'm talking about, they're almost smirking by the 65 00:03:43,510 --> 00:03:45,940 S1: time they're talking about it. So it's I know what 66 00:03:45,940 --> 00:03:49,270 S1: you mean and it's frustrating but you know the club 67 00:03:49,630 --> 00:03:51,940 S1: in in this instance you know, put a target on 68 00:03:51,940 --> 00:03:53,710 S1: its back because like you said, everything went our way 69 00:03:53,710 --> 00:03:57,910 S1: Sunday home crowd and still couldn't get the job done. 70 00:03:58,420 --> 00:04:01,540 S2: Yeah well that's the point Like that smugness is annoying, 71 00:04:01,540 --> 00:04:05,170 S2: but at the moment we're asking for the criticism. We're, 72 00:04:05,260 --> 00:04:09,130 S2: you know, we, we deserve it really. But there's two 73 00:04:09,130 --> 00:04:14,260 S2: things that are concerning me. One is the is the 74 00:04:14,260 --> 00:04:17,590 S2: game plan. I just think the game plan is nowhere 75 00:04:17,589 --> 00:04:20,740 S2: near what it should be for for an early season, 76 00:04:20,890 --> 00:04:24,669 S2: for early season games. You know, and that's it's easy 77 00:04:24,670 --> 00:04:27,490 S2: to say in hindsight because I was excited after the 78 00:04:27,490 --> 00:04:31,539 S2: Raiders trial when we were playing expansively. But we're just 79 00:04:31,570 --> 00:04:35,440 S2: we're not respecting the go forward at the moment. And 80 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,300 S2: the other thing that worries me and I've mentioned this 81 00:04:37,300 --> 00:04:41,050 S2: before and it was worrying me before the season, I 82 00:04:41,050 --> 00:04:45,940 S2: just can't see us performing with Brooks and Dewi running 83 00:04:45,940 --> 00:04:48,820 S2: us around the paddock and leading us, you know. You 84 00:04:48,820 --> 00:04:51,820 S2: know my thoughts on both those guys. I've got high 85 00:04:51,820 --> 00:04:56,320 S2: opinions on both of them, but not, not as game managers, 86 00:04:56,710 --> 00:05:00,220 S2: you know, as individual footballers. Yeah, but as game managers, 87 00:05:00,220 --> 00:05:03,700 S2: it's not even. It's not even close to looking, right. 88 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,719 S1: No. And it was it was pretty startling. On Sunday 89 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,250 S1: I had a look at little bit, you know, I 90 00:05:09,250 --> 00:05:11,440 S1: was obviously I was at the game and you see 91 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,359 S1: the game and you know, your emotions are high, but 92 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,070 S1: you generally have a good feel for it. But then 93 00:05:15,070 --> 00:05:17,620 S1: you look at the replay and even when I looked. 94 00:05:17,620 --> 00:05:20,290 S1: The replay stood out more times, like the amount of 95 00:05:20,290 --> 00:05:22,510 S1: times AP was sort of before he's going to pick 96 00:05:22,510 --> 00:05:25,690 S1: the ball up, looking both sides thinking, you know, who's calling, 97 00:05:25,690 --> 00:05:26,680 S1: which way am I going to go? 98 00:05:27,130 --> 00:05:30,400 S2: Yeah. Yeah. And there was there was more to it 99 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,690 S2: than that, too, you know, because the effort there was 100 00:05:34,690 --> 00:05:37,960 S2: effort out on the field. Everyone was trying, you know, 101 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:42,130 S2: it wasn't a gutless performance. Right. But those effort plays 102 00:05:42,130 --> 00:05:44,679 S2: a talk about those 1% as those little things are 103 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,070 S2: good players do and the good teams do constantly. We're 104 00:05:48,070 --> 00:05:50,980 S2: just missing from our game. Well, you mentioned AP. You know, 105 00:05:50,980 --> 00:05:53,619 S2: I remember on 2 or 3 occasions he made a 106 00:05:53,620 --> 00:05:56,650 S2: break or a half break or there was space around 107 00:05:56,650 --> 00:05:59,650 S2: dummy half and there was no one pushing through. There 108 00:05:59,650 --> 00:06:02,799 S2: wasn't a forward coming through. Lowrie wasn't coming through one 109 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,580 S2: of the houses and looking to support. And those effort 110 00:06:06,580 --> 00:06:09,400 S2: plays that make the difference just weren't there. He could 111 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,610 S2: have had AP, could have had two try assists, you know, 112 00:06:12,650 --> 00:06:16,839 S2: if players had been pushing through on another occasion. I 113 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,270 S2: just remember this Brooks grabbing across field and it was 114 00:06:19,270 --> 00:06:22,450 S2: it was poor directional play from Brooks but no one 115 00:06:22,450 --> 00:06:24,640 S2: no one was there to to come back on his 116 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:29,529 S2: inside and straighten up the attack. They just was they 117 00:06:29,529 --> 00:06:31,810 S2: were there, but they weren't in motion. 118 00:06:32,350 --> 00:06:34,060 S1: I mean, that's the thing that I think is going 119 00:06:34,060 --> 00:06:37,050 S1: to take a few weeks for me to work out. 120 00:06:37,050 --> 00:06:39,460 S1: And hopefully the team works it out quicker. But it's 121 00:06:39,460 --> 00:06:43,539 S1: hard to sort of quantify, Steve, whether it's a lack 122 00:06:43,540 --> 00:06:45,250 S1: of effort in terms of because I know what you're 123 00:06:45,250 --> 00:06:47,290 S1: talking about when AP jumps out and there's, you know, 124 00:06:47,290 --> 00:06:50,980 S1: three forwards not running decoys or just standing back or 125 00:06:50,980 --> 00:06:54,280 S1: whether it's just an overcomplicated game plan and no one 126 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,590 S1: quite knows when to push the button or what to do. 127 00:06:56,589 --> 00:06:59,140 S1: That's what appeared a little bit more that way to 128 00:06:59,140 --> 00:07:02,950 S1: me than guys not making effort. But I suppose it's 129 00:07:02,950 --> 00:07:04,600 S1: hard to determine after two weeks. 130 00:07:05,350 --> 00:07:09,280 S2: Yeah, the effort was a hard one because when I 131 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,940 S2: say effort play, I'm not talking about effort on the field. 132 00:07:12,940 --> 00:07:15,490 S2: I think they were they were busting their guts and 133 00:07:15,490 --> 00:07:18,370 S2: it just wasn't working. But it's just having the you 134 00:07:18,370 --> 00:07:20,980 S2: know what it is, it's footy nous. It's having the 135 00:07:20,980 --> 00:07:25,270 S2: footy nous to know. Um, AP, AP is going to, 136 00:07:25,300 --> 00:07:28,270 S2: AP is going to run here. I need to push 137 00:07:28,270 --> 00:07:31,090 S2: up and be there in support or or Brooks is 138 00:07:31,090 --> 00:07:35,200 S2: running cross field. I need to fall back in on 139 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,020 S2: the inside and straighten the attack and come underneath him 140 00:07:38,020 --> 00:07:41,500 S2: and that footy nous and the effort to do that 141 00:07:41,500 --> 00:07:42,430 S2: just wasn't there. 142 00:07:42,430 --> 00:07:44,860 S1: Yeah, I mean, I don't want to talk too much about, 143 00:07:44,980 --> 00:07:47,980 S1: you know, Hastings, he's gone from the club, but I 144 00:07:47,980 --> 00:07:50,860 S1: don't think in hindsight. I remember this time last year 145 00:07:50,860 --> 00:07:53,320 S1: after his first couple of wins with us, I thought, well, 146 00:07:53,590 --> 00:07:55,900 S1: you know, he should be our marquee player and, you know, 147 00:07:55,900 --> 00:07:58,390 S1: worth 809 hundred grand. I don't think having watched him 148 00:07:58,390 --> 00:07:59,980 S1: for a year in the NRL, he's quite up to 149 00:07:59,980 --> 00:08:03,280 S1: that level. He's he's quite slow and pedestrian. But one 150 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,680 S1: thing he does do is bark his sort of troops around. 151 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,540 S1: And I think, you know, the shoe was on the 152 00:08:07,540 --> 00:08:09,490 S1: other foot for him, but he sort of managed that 153 00:08:09,490 --> 00:08:13,870 S1: Newcastle team quite well. And I just wonder, I wonder, 154 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,450 S1: you know, I think Tigers fans wonder across the board 155 00:08:16,450 --> 00:08:19,210 S1: whether we made the right choice there in the off 156 00:08:19,210 --> 00:08:20,140 S1: season with the halfback. 157 00:08:20,140 --> 00:08:24,400 S2: Well it's, there's no doubt we're missing what he brings. 158 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,070 S2: You know, what he brings to a football game is 159 00:08:27,070 --> 00:08:30,250 S2: exactly what we need right this moment. But, you know, 160 00:08:30,250 --> 00:08:32,170 S2: if you're to go on what Tim Sheen says, and 161 00:08:32,170 --> 00:08:34,690 S2: I've got no reason to doubt what Tim Sheen says, 162 00:08:35,710 --> 00:08:38,109 S2: he was in the plans. He wanted him as a 163 00:08:38,110 --> 00:08:41,830 S2: ball playing 13. And he was and he was honest 164 00:08:41,830 --> 00:08:43,540 S2: with him about that and said that's what your role 165 00:08:43,540 --> 00:08:46,270 S2: is going to be. And Hastings didn't want that and 166 00:08:46,270 --> 00:08:48,580 S2: then took up the opportunity to go and play halfback 167 00:08:48,580 --> 00:08:52,000 S2: at the Knights. That's the story that Tim Sheens is 168 00:08:52,030 --> 00:08:56,590 S2: is pushing. And, you know, I imagine that's, you know, 169 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,490 S2: true or pretty close to the truth. So, you know, 170 00:08:59,500 --> 00:09:01,330 S2: maybe it wasn't our decision in the end. 171 00:09:01,570 --> 00:09:04,240 S1: Just finally on on Hastings because I didn't I didn't 172 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,880 S1: catch your opinion on it on the the post game 173 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,810 S1: incident on the field with Clough and Klemmer. But I 174 00:09:10,809 --> 00:09:12,790 S1: sort of I don't really think there's much in it. 175 00:09:12,790 --> 00:09:15,520 S1: Like I said on Monday, you know, I'd be more 176 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,490 S1: horrified if I saw Talal joking around with Hastings. And 177 00:09:18,490 --> 00:09:20,800 S1: to me, the thing that really Mason actually brought it 178 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,830 S1: up in a podcast. He goes, You know, Jackson Hastings 179 00:09:23,830 --> 00:09:26,800 S1: had just done a minute interview on on the camera 180 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:28,750 S1: and the camera to asked him what he's, you know, 181 00:09:28,750 --> 00:09:31,900 S1: what about the Tolo incident? And then he's he reckons 182 00:09:31,900 --> 00:09:35,260 S1: basically Jackson Hastings was doing that for the camera until 183 00:09:35,260 --> 00:09:37,870 S1: hours almost called him out for it. Whereas saying, you know, 184 00:09:37,870 --> 00:09:40,660 S1: if you're a real man, you do that in the sheds. 185 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,250 S1: Is there a little bit of that going on? Because 186 00:09:42,250 --> 00:09:43,900 S1: it looked like the Tigers didn't want anything to do 187 00:09:43,900 --> 00:09:44,230 S1: with him. 188 00:09:44,230 --> 00:09:46,720 S2: The more I listened to Jackson Hastings and now that 189 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,700 S2: I'm not sort of emotionally attached to him because he's 190 00:09:48,700 --> 00:09:51,130 S2: not the club, the more I think he plays the 191 00:09:51,130 --> 00:09:53,530 S2: media game pretty well and says all the right things 192 00:09:53,530 --> 00:09:57,400 S2: and and comes across the way he wants to come across. Right. 193 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,500 S2: But I don't know what happened there. But I'm with 194 00:09:59,500 --> 00:10:02,950 S2: you 100%, Eddie. I would much prefer to prefer to 195 00:10:02,950 --> 00:10:05,410 S2: see a little bit of fire and brimstone after the 196 00:10:05,410 --> 00:10:07,780 S2: game and players get into each other. Even players from 197 00:10:07,780 --> 00:10:10,480 S2: their own team get into each other rather than all 198 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,949 S2: this backslapping. And let's have a coffee mate that goes on, 199 00:10:14,950 --> 00:10:16,660 S2: you know, after a after. 200 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:17,490 S3: Heavy loss. 201 00:10:18,660 --> 00:10:21,270 S1: Expectations. Steve, I think, you know, you were the only 202 00:10:21,270 --> 00:10:23,460 S1: one on the panel. You tipped us, I think to 203 00:10:23,460 --> 00:10:26,640 S1: make the eight was probably more through through hope than, 204 00:10:27,090 --> 00:10:28,920 S1: you know, whether you believed it or not. But you 205 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,469 S1: did say, you know, top eight or bust. And I 206 00:10:31,470 --> 00:10:35,100 S1: think that's the attitude the squad and the coaches have 207 00:10:35,100 --> 00:10:38,010 S1: to have. But what about deep down after two weeks? 208 00:10:38,010 --> 00:10:41,099 S1: Do you sort of think. Okay, this is going to 209 00:10:41,100 --> 00:10:43,740 S1: be another long season or you sort of thinking, no, 210 00:10:43,740 --> 00:10:45,689 S1: these guys have got the quality, they've got to turn 211 00:10:45,690 --> 00:10:46,260 S1: it around. 212 00:10:46,860 --> 00:10:49,980 S2: Well, right now you'd have to say we're going to 213 00:10:49,980 --> 00:10:52,440 S2: struggle to find two points all season, but we're not 214 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,349 S2: going to play like this all season. We will improve. 215 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,990 S2: We have to improve. We can't play much worse than 216 00:10:57,990 --> 00:11:01,110 S2: what we played on the weekend. I'd recommend Can we 217 00:11:01,110 --> 00:11:04,410 S2: make the. I still think that we can. I'm going 218 00:11:04,410 --> 00:11:06,480 S2: to stick with what I've been saying for probably 12 219 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,860 S2: months now in that, you know, I like I like 220 00:11:10,860 --> 00:11:12,839 S2: a lot of the squad. We're still a couple of 221 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,440 S2: players short for sure. But like what the club is 222 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,350 S2: putting together, we're all we all have said in the 223 00:11:19,350 --> 00:11:22,020 S2: off season and not just us on the spot. I'm 224 00:11:22,020 --> 00:11:24,840 S2: talking Tigers fans generally. We've all said how good the 225 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,530 S2: recruitments been. You look at this forward pack, you know, 226 00:11:27,670 --> 00:11:30,870 S2: you know Stefano and Klemmer with AP hockey, you've got 227 00:11:30,870 --> 00:11:36,330 S2: Bloor and you've got this week who's just making huge strides. 228 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,359 S2: Paul look like that is a good forward pack you 229 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:44,459 S2: know with with with tall and often Galli especially coming 230 00:11:44,460 --> 00:11:47,339 S2: off the bench and you've got Bateman who's still not 231 00:11:47,340 --> 00:11:50,040 S2: even there yet to me that is a forward pack 232 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:54,900 S2: that can play some really good footy. Um, I like 233 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,939 S2: what's happening, I like what's happening in the full pack. 234 00:11:59,940 --> 00:12:03,390 S2: I'm not so confident about the backline and I'm really 235 00:12:03,390 --> 00:12:06,660 S2: worried about our halves and that's where I'd need to 236 00:12:06,660 --> 00:12:10,829 S2: be convinced the, the halves have to improve heaps if 237 00:12:10,830 --> 00:12:12,990 S2: we're going to make the eight. But I still think 238 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:14,790 S2: we can push for the eight. 239 00:12:15,510 --> 00:12:18,630 S1: Yeah, it's almost like we just, I just think we 240 00:12:18,630 --> 00:12:20,819 S1: need a win no matter how. Steve Just to, just 241 00:12:20,820 --> 00:12:23,730 S1: to settle everyone down. You could see, you know, in 242 00:12:23,730 --> 00:12:26,160 S1: that last ten minutes, Tim Sheens coming to the sideline, 243 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,069 S1: there was, you know, an air of desperation about it 244 00:12:29,070 --> 00:12:32,069 S1: just based off the fact of, you know, the the 245 00:12:32,070 --> 00:12:35,070 S1: new signings and the expectation because Tigers fans have turned 246 00:12:35,070 --> 00:12:37,620 S1: out in force the first two weeks. And it's you know, 247 00:12:37,620 --> 00:12:40,230 S1: when you lose to Newcastle and the Gold Coast at home, 248 00:12:40,650 --> 00:12:42,990 S1: I just you know, I wouldn't have been so worried 249 00:12:42,990 --> 00:12:45,420 S1: if they had scrapped out a 14, 12 win on 250 00:12:45,420 --> 00:12:48,480 S1: the weekend because it just settles everything down. But now that, 251 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,000 S1: you know, the pressure, players start to feel that. 252 00:12:51,150 --> 00:12:53,700 S2: But we do that to ourselves, you know, because what 253 00:12:53,700 --> 00:12:55,110 S2: we do it on the field, we're doing it to 254 00:12:55,110 --> 00:12:57,660 S2: ourselves on the field for a long time, but we 255 00:12:57,660 --> 00:13:00,390 S2: do it to ourselves off the field too. And I 256 00:13:00,390 --> 00:13:02,280 S2: think the clubs got a lot better at, you know, 257 00:13:02,370 --> 00:13:04,200 S2: it leaks don't seem to come out of the club 258 00:13:04,380 --> 00:13:07,800 S2: like they used to, but there's too much talk. There's 259 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,130 S2: too much talk. Like Tim Sheens is a smart man 260 00:13:11,130 --> 00:13:15,569 S2: and he's experienced coach and works the media, I imagine, 261 00:13:15,570 --> 00:13:19,090 S2: pretty well. But. Oregon. He's put pressure on the team 262 00:13:19,090 --> 00:13:20,800 S2: by coming out and saying, you're not going to recognise 263 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,990 S2: the West Tigers. I'm going to play this really expansive 264 00:13:22,990 --> 00:13:25,240 S2: role and it's going to be exciting and our fans 265 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,360 S2: are going to love it. That's really hot. And then, 266 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,479 S2: you know, Lee had you can tell us he can't 267 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,500 S2: help himself because he's got this I don't know how 268 00:13:33,500 --> 00:13:35,380 S2: often it is weekly or every couple of times a 269 00:13:35,380 --> 00:13:38,590 S2: week on RSN. And of course they're going to question 270 00:13:38,590 --> 00:13:41,800 S2: him and he's on air live. He's got to answer. 271 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,260 S1: Yeah, but it's a trap, isn't it? I mean, the 272 00:13:44,260 --> 00:13:47,170 S1: media use it. I saw the show last night that 273 00:13:47,170 --> 00:13:49,449 S1: they have on Fox, you know, the Paul Kent Show, 274 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,060 S1: whatever it's called. And they they target him no matter 275 00:13:52,059 --> 00:13:54,309 S1: what he's going to say. But I tend to agree. 276 00:13:54,309 --> 00:13:57,400 S1: I just think the message messaging needs to come from 277 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,740 S1: one person and that's the coach. And I don't think 278 00:13:59,740 --> 00:14:03,190 S1: Lee commenting on public radio saying, you know, if we 279 00:14:03,190 --> 00:14:05,830 S1: attacked better and the performance is, you know, I don't 280 00:14:05,830 --> 00:14:08,079 S1: think that helps anyone. 281 00:14:09,030 --> 00:14:12,060 S2: Yeah, I agree with that. It should be. It should 282 00:14:12,059 --> 00:14:14,069 S2: be the coach and that should be it. I think 283 00:14:14,070 --> 00:14:17,429 S2: they just need to, you know, quiet and everything down 284 00:14:17,429 --> 00:14:21,750 S2: and bunker up and just get on with being internal 285 00:14:21,750 --> 00:14:25,380 S2: and not listening to the outside stuff, but not creating 286 00:14:25,380 --> 00:14:27,810 S2: some of the outside stuff as well. I think that 287 00:14:27,810 --> 00:14:31,440 S2: would be beneficial for them for sure. Yeah. The other 288 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,530 S2: thing about that that I've, I've noticed and I don't 289 00:14:34,530 --> 00:14:39,990 S2: know Tim Sheens very well, but he looked flustered, man. He, 290 00:14:40,110 --> 00:14:46,260 S2: he looked cranky at the media and he looked frustrated already. 291 00:14:46,260 --> 00:14:48,540 S2: And that to me is a bit of, a bit 292 00:14:48,540 --> 00:14:49,230 S2: of a worry. 293 00:14:49,230 --> 00:14:53,310 S1: Yeah, I saw that in his expression. But I mean, 294 00:14:53,310 --> 00:14:55,890 S1: everyone he was feeling the pain of that loss like 295 00:14:55,890 --> 00:14:58,740 S1: everyone was. On Sunday afternoon. We're going to preview the 296 00:14:58,740 --> 00:15:01,260 S1: Bulldogs game, Steve, because the side has been named and 297 00:15:01,260 --> 00:15:05,430 S1: this and some key changes. But before we look at 298 00:15:05,430 --> 00:15:08,670 S1: the team specifically, you mentioned before the game plan and 299 00:15:08,670 --> 00:15:11,370 S1: that's the thing that I look at and I scratch 300 00:15:11,370 --> 00:15:15,000 S1: my head because I just think early in the season, 301 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,479 S1: with so many new signings, especially the signings where they've 302 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,060 S1: been made in the forward pack, that the game plan 303 00:15:21,060 --> 00:15:24,150 S1: we used in this past, the parcel sort of football 304 00:15:24,150 --> 00:15:26,190 S1: and now it looked good in the trial game but 305 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,040 S1: under the asset of proper two games it's looked a 306 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:30,930 S1: bit of a mess. Do they just need to dumb 307 00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:33,390 S1: it down and simplify it this week? Surely they do. 308 00:15:33,930 --> 00:15:37,080 S2: Absolutely. That would be my number one first point on 309 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,460 S2: a on a game plan sheet. All right. Simplify what 310 00:15:41,460 --> 00:15:45,060 S2: you're doing. Like everyone, everyone has a whinge about Taylor 311 00:15:45,060 --> 00:15:47,400 S2: Ball and everyone has a whinge about five head ups 312 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,990 S2: and kick butt. Early season football, in my opinion, is 313 00:15:51,990 --> 00:15:54,930 S2: all about building pressure. The best way to build pressure 314 00:15:54,930 --> 00:15:57,540 S2: is play football down the other end of the field 315 00:15:57,540 --> 00:16:00,960 S2: and try to get repeat sets where possible and build 316 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,440 S2: pressure on the opposition. Tryline And you've just got to 317 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:09,120 S2: go forward, hit the ball up short when the opportunity 318 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,450 S2: presents itself in the right spot on the field, take 319 00:16:12,450 --> 00:16:14,400 S2: your advantage. But you've got to do the hard work 320 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,580 S2: first and that's got to come off the dummy half. 321 00:16:17,580 --> 00:16:19,860 S2: It's got to come off the first receiver. It's got 322 00:16:19,860 --> 00:16:25,950 S2: to be lots of forwards in motion, running straight lines 323 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,060 S2: hard and and quick, play the balls and just getting 324 00:16:30,060 --> 00:16:33,920 S2: that momentum downfield. That to me is how you win early. 325 00:16:34,020 --> 00:16:36,480 S2: And then sorry, I'll add to that then a good 326 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,170 S2: fifth tackle kick because that is something we um, is 327 00:16:40,170 --> 00:16:42,540 S2: pretty scarce from us at the moment. 328 00:16:43,050 --> 00:16:44,910 S1: Yeah. I mean I look through some of the stats 329 00:16:44,910 --> 00:16:48,030 S1: and I think David Klemmer only ran for 80m and 330 00:16:48,030 --> 00:16:50,640 S1: I don't think you could say, you know, he wasn't 331 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,130 S1: having a go out there. I just think it was 332 00:16:52,140 --> 00:16:53,970 S1: a game plan we were using where he sort of 333 00:16:53,970 --> 00:16:56,520 S1: shuffling the ball on and that might look good in 334 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,520 S1: round 10 or 11 when the team's combining and connected. 335 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,160 S1: But I just think at the moment someone like AP 336 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,230 S1: is going to benefit more from just forwards hitting the 337 00:17:04,230 --> 00:17:06,330 S1: advantage line. Even Stefano, you've got to say he's been 338 00:17:06,780 --> 00:17:09,900 S1: pretty disappointing, at least his first first since the last 339 00:17:09,900 --> 00:17:10,590 S1: couple of weeks. 340 00:17:11,190 --> 00:17:14,609 S2: Yeah, I agree. I remember thinking I've only watched the 341 00:17:14,609 --> 00:17:19,830 S2: game once on TV, but live. Um, and I remember 342 00:17:19,830 --> 00:17:24,060 S2: thinking where is Stefano? Where where is Klemmer. Where is 343 00:17:24,060 --> 00:17:27,659 S2: awful lot? I just can't remember them hitting the ball up, 344 00:17:27,660 --> 00:17:30,030 S2: you know? They should be. They may not all be 345 00:17:30,030 --> 00:17:31,350 S2: on the field at the same time, but, you know, 346 00:17:31,350 --> 00:17:33,900 S2: two of them should just be hitting that ball up. 347 00:17:33,900 --> 00:17:36,900 S2: Play one, play two or play two, play three, one 348 00:17:36,900 --> 00:17:39,930 S2: after another. Quick, play the ball. But that should be 349 00:17:39,930 --> 00:17:43,860 S2: incredible momentum with the hooker we've got who can create 350 00:17:43,859 --> 00:17:48,869 S2: space and throws a good pass. You know those guys 351 00:17:48,869 --> 00:17:52,200 S2: have got incredible potential that you do that and then 352 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,870 S2: you go to wide and go out to Blau on 353 00:17:54,869 --> 00:17:58,109 S2: an edge who can be incredibly damaging. We should be 354 00:17:58,109 --> 00:17:59,850 S2: getting huge momentum. 355 00:18:00,090 --> 00:18:02,790 S1: And I just I think you need to score like 356 00:18:02,790 --> 00:18:04,530 S1: it looked like we're trying to score every try by 357 00:18:04,530 --> 00:18:07,500 S1: going around them and even the try we did score 358 00:18:07,500 --> 00:18:09,600 S1: at the end was just a matter of going through 359 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,510 S1: a forward going through and 12 should have scored. And 360 00:18:12,510 --> 00:18:14,459 S1: if you can get that consistent, you know if you 361 00:18:14,460 --> 00:18:17,310 S1: look at the Bulldogs you know pack this week, it's 362 00:18:17,310 --> 00:18:19,679 S1: nothing really to write home about. If I was coaching 363 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,960 S1: the Tigers this week, I'd be saying like, let's put 364 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,450 S1: our names up against their names and who's who's got 365 00:18:24,450 --> 00:18:27,720 S1: a better forward pack and let's try and win the middle. 366 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,090 S1: And if we win the middle and lose the game, 367 00:18:30,090 --> 00:18:32,340 S1: so be it. But I just think at the moment, 368 00:18:32,670 --> 00:18:35,370 S1: you know, it's 18 errors on the weekend. You just 369 00:18:35,369 --> 00:18:36,450 S1: give yourself no chance. 370 00:18:37,390 --> 00:18:41,020 S2: No, that's right. And that's up there with simplifying the 371 00:18:41,020 --> 00:18:44,860 S2: game plan has to be error free football, and that 372 00:18:44,859 --> 00:18:47,980 S2: comes down to concentration and attention to detail. You know, 373 00:18:47,980 --> 00:18:50,980 S2: like like play the ball penalties or, you know, or 374 00:18:51,700 --> 00:18:54,310 S2: losing the losing the ball because you play the ball incorrectly. 375 00:18:54,310 --> 00:18:59,230 S2: That's just really poor concentration under fatigue, you know, And 376 00:18:59,230 --> 00:19:02,470 S2: that's got to that's there's no place that in first grade. 377 00:19:02,470 --> 00:19:04,060 S2: But I'd agree with you that that's got to be 378 00:19:04,060 --> 00:19:06,369 S2: up there. But the other thing I'd say looking at 379 00:19:06,369 --> 00:19:09,850 S2: the the Bulldogs team, you know, if they can pressure 380 00:19:09,850 --> 00:19:13,869 S2: Flanagan and isolate him, he panics. I've said that before. 381 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,600 S2: He's not the greatest half in the world, in my opinion, 382 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:20,109 S2: and he, he can be pressured pretty easily. And the 383 00:19:20,109 --> 00:19:22,780 S2: other thing is if you put pressure on Burton's kicking 384 00:19:22,780 --> 00:19:26,050 S2: game and stop those tearing bombs and then when he 385 00:19:26,050 --> 00:19:28,750 S2: does get away, diffuse and actually catch the ball on 386 00:19:28,750 --> 00:19:32,139 S2: the fall, then I think we're we're a huge chance 387 00:19:32,140 --> 00:19:37,090 S2: of upsetting the Bulldogs. But if we let Flanagan kick 388 00:19:37,180 --> 00:19:39,580 S2: us out of the game. Burton Kick us out of 389 00:19:39,580 --> 00:19:42,700 S2: the game and if we don't take on their forward pack, 390 00:19:42,700 --> 00:19:45,130 S2: then we'll, we'll be in trouble. 391 00:19:45,940 --> 00:19:48,040 S1: Let's look at the team, Steve, because there's been some, 392 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:52,120 S1: some forced and unforced change starting with the fullback that 393 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,760 S1: was that. I think there were rumors that he may 394 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,220 S1: have been, you know, slightly injured. But I think this 395 00:19:57,220 --> 00:20:00,609 S1: is a tactical change. I think Dane Lawrie obviously hasn't 396 00:20:00,609 --> 00:20:02,800 S1: been at his best. It's the first two rounds and 397 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,100 S1: I don't mind it because even that last 15 minutes 398 00:20:06,100 --> 00:20:09,010 S1: I liked what Charlie Staines bought. I know he's not 399 00:20:09,010 --> 00:20:10,600 S1: so much of a ball player, but at the moment 400 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,220 S1: it seems like everyone in the team wants to be 401 00:20:12,220 --> 00:20:13,780 S1: a ball player. Maybe we just need someone at the 402 00:20:13,780 --> 00:20:17,140 S1: back to run hard and sniff off some of those forwards. 403 00:20:17,410 --> 00:20:20,680 S2: Yeah, I don't mind it. You know, I think Charlie 404 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,010 S2: Staines is a pretty good footballer. I, I do think 405 00:20:24,010 --> 00:20:26,500 S2: Laurie's injured. There's a reason he got moved to the 406 00:20:26,500 --> 00:20:28,750 S2: wing at the end of the game, obviously, but I 407 00:20:28,750 --> 00:20:32,080 S2: actually thought he brought the ball back quite well last week. 408 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,050 S2: I thought he. I've probably got a different opinion to most. 409 00:20:35,260 --> 00:20:37,480 S2: I thought that was one of his better games from 410 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,240 S2: that perspective. Bringing the ball back. He he made a 411 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,940 S2: lot of yardage from the back, but he didn't catch 412 00:20:42,940 --> 00:20:44,919 S2: the ball and he didn't push through the middle. The 413 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:46,689 S2: thing that worries me about Staines and I don't know 414 00:20:46,690 --> 00:20:48,790 S2: what the answer is, Eddie, because Laurie's out and only 415 00:20:48,790 --> 00:20:52,450 S2: got one other option, um, at this stage of the season. 416 00:20:52,750 --> 00:20:56,950 S2: But Staines, Staines, it relies on his pace and likes 417 00:20:56,950 --> 00:21:00,460 S2: to run around the edges. We need someone to come 418 00:21:00,460 --> 00:21:03,580 S2: through that middle. We need through the middle support. And 419 00:21:03,580 --> 00:21:05,980 S2: I really hope he brings that to his, you know, 420 00:21:06,010 --> 00:21:07,480 S2: to his game on the weekend. 421 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,410 S1: Yeah, a big opportunity for him because, I mean, he 422 00:21:11,410 --> 00:21:13,990 S1: didn't I assume he didn't leave the club, you know, 423 00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:16,389 S1: a club like Penrith to make a sideways move and 424 00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:18,250 S1: be a winger or be a reserve grader. So a 425 00:21:18,250 --> 00:21:21,090 S1: chance at fullback for him will be like gold. I 426 00:21:21,100 --> 00:21:24,100 S1: hope he takes it this week. Obviously Stafford Taylor comes 427 00:21:24,100 --> 00:21:27,250 S1: into the centre as that's with uh, Tommy till now 428 00:21:27,250 --> 00:21:30,370 S1: that's out. I think Tommy allows out with it and 429 00:21:30,369 --> 00:21:32,110 S1: then Junior to go onto the wing. I'm looking forward 430 00:21:32,109 --> 00:21:34,480 S1: to seeing him because we saw him in the last trial. 431 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,060 S1: There's no doubt he's raw, but he's the sort of 432 00:21:37,060 --> 00:21:39,610 S1: talent that we need. Steve in the backline, I think 433 00:21:39,609 --> 00:21:41,710 S1: we're going to have to take some of the good 434 00:21:41,710 --> 00:21:45,640 S1: with the bad, but at least, you know, without bagging 435 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,369 S1: off aluma, you know, I just think we know what 436 00:21:48,369 --> 00:21:49,900 S1: we're going to get from not for now, which is 437 00:21:49,900 --> 00:21:53,320 S1: a declining footballer for me and someone like Tupou. I 438 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,570 S1: think we've almost got to give him the next 610 439 00:21:55,570 --> 00:21:57,669 S1: weeks to to learn and grow into this side. 440 00:21:58,300 --> 00:22:00,880 S2: Yeah, well, I agree with you. I think he's a 441 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,760 S2: great talent. He's going to do really well to turbo. 442 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,900 S2: What worries me with that with with the backline is 443 00:22:06,910 --> 00:22:10,659 S2: as it is, he's jumping out of the line like 444 00:22:10,990 --> 00:22:13,420 S2: the fact that it's allows not there this week is 445 00:22:13,420 --> 00:22:16,000 S2: probably a good thing from this perspective like he's just 446 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,820 S2: been jumping out of the line so much he didn't 447 00:22:18,820 --> 00:22:20,800 S2: so much round one he did last week and he 448 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,810 S2: did in the trial. Um, and if you jump out 449 00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:26,230 S2: the line you give out a give, give those outside 450 00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:29,260 S2: backs in the Bulldogs space or even give Kik our 451 00:22:29,260 --> 00:22:33,460 S2: space to wind up at a car. Obviously you're asking 452 00:22:33,460 --> 00:22:36,669 S2: for trouble at there. So those, those outside backs on 453 00:22:36,670 --> 00:22:39,370 S2: both sides have got to hold their nerve work together 454 00:22:39,369 --> 00:22:42,850 S2: and not jump out of the line, otherwise we will 455 00:22:42,850 --> 00:22:43,869 S2: get run around. Yeah, I. 456 00:22:43,930 --> 00:22:46,869 S1: Mean that's one thing. I remember last year they were 457 00:22:46,869 --> 00:22:49,990 S1: quite good at under Mick Potter is they would sometimes 458 00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:52,270 S1: kick early on the second or third time the winger 459 00:22:52,270 --> 00:22:54,460 S1: or centre would jam up and Addo-carr got some tries, 460 00:22:54,460 --> 00:22:57,429 S1: so they did look good last week, the Bulldogs, but 461 00:22:57,430 --> 00:23:01,270 S1: that was against a vastly under-strength Melbourne team. The back row. Steve, 462 00:23:01,270 --> 00:23:04,030 S1: it's you wouldn't have predicted that in round one. You 463 00:23:04,030 --> 00:23:06,369 S1: probably would have raised a few eyebrows if you saw 464 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:12,490 S1: power law and parlay. Um, but again, opportunity for them 465 00:23:12,490 --> 00:23:14,710 S1: all and you'd have to say that Coppell was probably 466 00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:15,850 S1: our best player on the weekend. 467 00:23:16,300 --> 00:23:21,879 S2: Yeah, I have so much time for Cooper. I think 468 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,510 S2: he's a great player and I was really surprised when 469 00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:29,080 S2: I saw him named in second row in the in 470 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,870 S2: the trial. Was it the second round in the trial 471 00:23:32,380 --> 00:23:35,270 S2: that that surprised me. But he played fantastically and I 472 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,520 S2: haven't seen him up close. I know. Gary's been to 473 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,470 S2: a couple of trainings and he said the guy has 474 00:23:39,470 --> 00:23:42,379 S2: really bulked up. And so if he's got the size 475 00:23:42,380 --> 00:23:46,160 S2: and he's got the ability, let's go for it, because 476 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,210 S2: I think he's going to be one of our future stars. And. 477 00:23:50,210 --> 00:23:54,080 S2: Blau You know, if Blau can get around with that injury, 478 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,780 S2: he could do anything because he's looked fantastic when he's 479 00:23:56,780 --> 00:23:59,450 S2: been on the paddock so far this year. I'm looking 480 00:23:59,450 --> 00:24:02,480 S2: forward to seeing him again on Sunday. And I'll say 481 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,060 S2: the same about Paul. I think Paul hit the ground 482 00:24:05,060 --> 00:24:08,300 S2: running too. You know, there's the potential for those three 483 00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:11,510 S2: to be, you know, real stars of the game. 484 00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:15,050 S1: The bench, Steve, are I suppose with Jake Simkin nearly 485 00:24:15,050 --> 00:24:17,419 S1: getting killed last week. I hope he's okay. I expect 486 00:24:17,420 --> 00:24:19,250 S1: him to be out for possibly more than one week 487 00:24:19,250 --> 00:24:20,930 S1: because that was a nasty one that he copped off. 488 00:24:20,930 --> 00:24:23,900 S1: So but it gives an opportunity to brand and wake 489 00:24:23,900 --> 00:24:27,290 S1: him and that will obviously raise some eyebrows because people 490 00:24:27,290 --> 00:24:29,720 S1: will go, you know, he's been playing halfback in reserve grade. 491 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,290 S1: They've won both their games. I know from watching Wakem 492 00:24:33,290 --> 00:24:35,270 S1: a bit at Canterbury that he can be very much 493 00:24:35,270 --> 00:24:37,970 S1: rocks and diamonds and Gary, by all accounts, he's been 494 00:24:37,970 --> 00:24:40,760 S1: very good. The first two state Cup games. My question is, 495 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:45,200 S1: do you expect him to come on and rest as 496 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,060 S1: a hooker or do you expect, you know, a bit 497 00:24:47,060 --> 00:24:49,130 S1: of a strange shuffle and he could spend some time 498 00:24:49,130 --> 00:24:49,700 S1: in the halves? 499 00:24:50,060 --> 00:24:53,390 S2: I expect what happened last season to happen. I expect 500 00:24:53,390 --> 00:24:56,510 S2: wake him to come on and play seven and Brooks 501 00:24:56,510 --> 00:24:59,810 S2: to go into nine. Yeah. Like that or not. Yeah 502 00:24:59,810 --> 00:25:04,369 S2: yeah I do. Yeah I think I think Brooks should 503 00:25:04,369 --> 00:25:06,340 S2: have been moved tonight a long time ago but but 504 00:25:06,530 --> 00:25:09,410 S2: you know that's another argument for another day. But I 505 00:25:09,410 --> 00:25:12,619 S2: do like that. Let me let me preface it though. 506 00:25:12,619 --> 00:25:15,560 S2: I watched like him when he started at halfback in 507 00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:19,670 S2: that trial and he was absolutely clueless, I thought. But 508 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,729 S2: to his credit, I haven't seen the games. But for 509 00:25:22,730 --> 00:25:25,730 S2: those who have said that he's played really good football 510 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,470 S2: at seven in reserve grade and so I would like 511 00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:33,050 S2: to see him come on and and see what he 512 00:25:33,050 --> 00:25:35,690 S2: can do because to be honest, I've got very little 513 00:25:35,690 --> 00:25:38,629 S2: faith in what's going on at the moment at six 514 00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:41,840 S2: and seven. And that's I just want to again, it's 515 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,780 S2: all individually, I like Adam Dewey. I like Adam too, 516 00:25:44,780 --> 00:25:47,660 S2: is a football. I'm just saying from a running the team, 517 00:25:47,780 --> 00:25:49,429 S2: you know, running the team around the paddock. 518 00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:52,369 S1: Yeah I suppose that's the I mentioned on Monday Steve 519 00:25:52,369 --> 00:25:55,369 S1: but I don't know whether it's an advantage, but at 520 00:25:55,369 --> 00:25:59,000 S1: least we're not locked into these guys, you know? Daine 521 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,040 S1: Laurie's off contract the end of this year. Brooks is 522 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,470 S1: off contract in this year. He's resigned at the end 523 00:26:03,470 --> 00:26:07,160 S1: of 2024. So very much sort of playing for their 524 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,320 S1: futures at the club this season, aren't they? 525 00:26:09,650 --> 00:26:12,890 S2: I can't remember his name. The guy who's can't play 526 00:26:12,890 --> 00:26:17,330 S2: at around 11 who's been playing reserve grade fullback. Yeah, yeah. 527 00:26:17,630 --> 00:26:21,470 S2: He's got, um, he's got some great potential. So Daine 528 00:26:21,470 --> 00:26:24,680 S2: Laurie would be looking over his shoulder for sure. And 529 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,080 S2: Brooks and Dewey. Well, we said it preseason, mate. This 530 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,500 S2: is their, this is their chance to. To show that 531 00:26:30,500 --> 00:26:33,590 S2: they can play six and seven together and round one 532 00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:34,760 S2: and two. They haven't done it. 533 00:26:35,390 --> 00:26:37,429 S1: No. You mentioned Jerome Buller and that you might be 534 00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:40,310 S1: right about Daine. Laurie Steve because he's he's on that 535 00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:45,050 S1: extended bench which I thought under the NRL rules being 536 00:26:45,050 --> 00:26:47,810 S1: outside the top 30, he wasn't allowed to qualify until 537 00:26:47,810 --> 00:26:50,479 S1: after round ten. So I notice him being on that 538 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,960 S1: extended bench may suggest an injury to Daine Laurie but 539 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:59,990 S1: also seems like our Pommy from from he's come off 540 00:26:59,990 --> 00:27:02,390 S1: Bondi Beach Steve and he might be playing this week 541 00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:06,379 S1: uh Tony Bateman I personally think he has been injured. 542 00:27:06,380 --> 00:27:09,680 S1: I don't know why the clubs surrounding it in mystery 543 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:14,840 S1: because I only think it's invited ridicule. Um, but guess, 544 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,720 S1: would you rush him back if he has been injured 545 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,480 S1: or do you think if it's a genuine ankle injury, 546 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,610 S1: which I'm sure it is, I don't think for any 547 00:27:22,609 --> 00:27:26,449 S1: reason you'd put him out for two weeks to acclimatise. Um, 548 00:27:26,869 --> 00:27:28,220 S1: would you play him this week? 549 00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:31,160 S2: Oh, my. I think it's really simple. If he's ready 550 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,889 S2: to play, he plays. If he's not, if he's injured, 551 00:27:33,890 --> 00:27:36,560 S2: he's not ready to play. He doesn't play. I can't 552 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,740 S2: see any reason other than that. Not to play him. 553 00:27:40,460 --> 00:27:41,690 S1: So secretive about it then. 554 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,010 S2: I'm not. 555 00:27:43,010 --> 00:27:46,520 S1: Idea. Yeah. I just don't get it. Unless it is 556 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,860 S1: a change. You know change can be stubborn. You might 557 00:27:48,859 --> 00:27:51,020 S1: just be saying, well, he does need 2 or 3 558 00:27:51,020 --> 00:27:53,990 S1: weeks to get himself up to speed. But for me, like, 559 00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:56,419 S1: I think someone like John Bateman could have been handy 560 00:27:56,420 --> 00:27:58,250 S1: last week just to get people's heads off. 561 00:27:58,550 --> 00:28:03,020 S2: Yeah, well, I agree. You know, it's obvious that confidence 562 00:28:03,020 --> 00:28:06,740 S2: has dropped already only after two rounds, and a guy 563 00:28:06,740 --> 00:28:10,340 S2: of Bateman's experience would be handy out there. Um, but 564 00:28:10,340 --> 00:28:13,790 S2: I will say Sheens has said that he's not considering 565 00:28:13,790 --> 00:28:17,660 S2: him until round four, so I was surprised to see 566 00:28:17,660 --> 00:28:22,280 S2: him in the extended team list for this week because 567 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,590 S2: I can't see Shane's going back on that unless he 568 00:28:24,590 --> 00:28:26,810 S2: threw that out. There is a furphy. We'll find out 569 00:28:26,810 --> 00:28:28,230 S2: I suppose, on Saturday. 570 00:28:28,490 --> 00:28:31,340 S1: I wouldn't be surprised if he's playing Sunday. I don't 571 00:28:31,340 --> 00:28:33,170 S1: know if he'll start, but I reckon he might play 572 00:28:33,950 --> 00:28:36,639 S1: the Bulldogs. We mentioned them for me. There's the other. 573 00:28:36,890 --> 00:28:39,680 S1: You know, the club can't escape the storylines. Last week 574 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,910 S1: it was Hastings back to Lockhart. This week it's Cerrado. 575 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,790 S1: Not that I really care about Cameron Cerrado, Steve, but 576 00:28:46,790 --> 00:28:50,000 S1: you can imagine, you know, there's that extra layer to 577 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,010 S1: the game given we went after him and missed out 578 00:28:52,010 --> 00:28:54,320 S1: and it'd be nice to see us get one over him. 579 00:28:55,650 --> 00:28:58,980 S2: Oh, it certainly would just be nice to get two points. 580 00:28:59,290 --> 00:29:01,440 S2: Don't worry about who we're getting, though. Just good to 581 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:06,000 S2: get two points. But you know what it will do 582 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,560 S2: if they win? If they if the Bulldogs beat us, 583 00:29:09,570 --> 00:29:12,300 S2: you can you can bet for sure at that angle. 584 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,080 S2: Yeah the story all week will be tigers missed their 585 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,890 S2: man and miss Tigers man demolishes the tigers you know 586 00:29:19,890 --> 00:29:21,270 S2: it'll be that sort of garbage. 587 00:29:21,570 --> 00:29:25,590 S1: It's interesting because I think since they've been back to Belmore, 588 00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:27,510 S1: they might have played about six games and lost five 589 00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:28,980 S1: of them. So they've been a little bit like us 590 00:29:29,070 --> 00:29:31,680 S1: like it, their sort of spiritual home. I was thinking 591 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,020 S1: about going to Belmore Steve, but at the moment I 592 00:29:34,020 --> 00:29:37,350 S1: can't think of anything worse than being surrounded by 12,000 593 00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:41,190 S1: Canterbury fans, you know, at Belmore. So I'm sort of 594 00:29:41,490 --> 00:29:43,710 S1: going to hold my, my judgement on whether I go 595 00:29:43,710 --> 00:29:45,000 S1: until Sunday maybe. 596 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,840 S2: Of course, there's another aspect that could come into play. Eddie, 597 00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:52,830 S2: and that's Josh Reynolds, who's on the extended bench, comes 598 00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:57,390 S2: into the 17 and plays a blinder again against us. 599 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,060 S4: That would pop it off. Really mean this first blinder for. 600 00:30:00,060 --> 00:30:03,660 S1: What, five years or something? That would be, um, please, surely, 601 00:30:03,660 --> 00:30:07,830 S1: surely not. But we will give our tips. Steve. I'll 602 00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:10,290 S1: leave our game till the end. I'll just flick through 603 00:30:10,290 --> 00:30:12,780 S1: the round three games and you can give me who 604 00:30:12,780 --> 00:30:16,560 S1: you think might win. Uh, starts off tomorrow night. That's 605 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,750 S1: been my highlight of the year so far. He was 606 00:30:18,750 --> 00:30:22,560 S1: watching Parramatta lose. They go to Manly, so I'm going 607 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,150 S1: for Manly. I think they'll knock Parramatta over. 608 00:30:25,010 --> 00:30:28,459 S2: Yeah, I am. Yeah, that's a that's a toss of 609 00:30:28,460 --> 00:30:30,290 S2: the coin for me. That one. Yeah. I think I'll 610 00:30:30,290 --> 00:30:33,440 S2: go manly as well. Yeah. If they're playing good footy 611 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,260 S2: under Sivo. Well they've, they've played one game didn't they. 612 00:30:36,260 --> 00:30:38,960 S2: They had the bye one game so yeah. Their first 613 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,980 S2: game was solid. 614 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,300 S1: Knights. Dolphins that's in Newcastle. Newcastle are actually outside because 615 00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:47,540 S1: they're just ravaged by injury as we saw last week. Yeah. 616 00:30:47,540 --> 00:30:50,060 S2: Well you know you can't tip against the Dolphins at 617 00:30:50,060 --> 00:30:50,470 S2: the moment. 618 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,900 S1: Premiership favourites win, which will set up a huge round 619 00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:56,750 S1: four game against the Broncos for them the Derby South 620 00:30:56,750 --> 00:31:00,200 S1: Roosters two teams. I can't stand it. I think Souths 621 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:00,950 S1: will beat them again. 622 00:31:01,670 --> 00:31:03,500 S2: I'm gonna go roosters roosters. 623 00:31:03,620 --> 00:31:06,860 S1: Titans storm on the Gold Coast I think I know 624 00:31:06,860 --> 00:31:09,500 S1: it's early days but I think this could be the 625 00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:11,750 S1: year the storm almost missed the eight. I don't know 626 00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:13,970 S1: missing a heap of players Munster. But they looked to 627 00:31:13,970 --> 00:31:15,020 S1: have some holes this year. 628 00:31:15,170 --> 00:31:19,730 S2: Yeah they do but I'm expecting a Craig Bellamy. Yeah, 629 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,520 S2: he's going to have the Craig Bellamy effect. They're going 630 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,910 S2: to he will they will respond to him and they'll 631 00:31:25,910 --> 00:31:26,660 S2: play well this week. 632 00:31:27,740 --> 00:31:29,780 S1: We think we'd probably think the Cowboys would beat the 633 00:31:29,780 --> 00:31:34,720 S1: Warriors at home and the Broncos beat the Dragons at home. Um, 634 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,360 S1: I don't see Steve disagreeing there. Raiders Sharks is the 635 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,820 S1: last game Raiders I think maybe the only other team 636 00:31:40,820 --> 00:31:45,590 S1: without a win could be wrong. Uh against the sharks. 637 00:31:45,890 --> 00:31:46,490 S1: He wins that one. 638 00:31:47,540 --> 00:31:51,110 S2: Sharks haven't got it together. Where's that being played at Canberra. Canberra? 639 00:31:51,370 --> 00:31:51,800 S3: Yeah. 640 00:31:52,570 --> 00:31:55,600 S2: Now. I can't sleep again. Nicole Hynes is still out, 641 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,730 S2: isn't he? Yeah, I go right, I'll go right. 642 00:31:57,730 --> 00:31:59,020 S3: It's right is okay. 643 00:31:59,020 --> 00:32:02,470 S1: And our tip for Sunday, Steve, I. I'm going to. 644 00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:04,690 S1: I backed us the first two weeks. I'm trying the 645 00:32:04,690 --> 00:32:09,850 S1: reverse psychology this week I'm going to go 3416 bulldogs 646 00:32:10,390 --> 00:32:13,030 S1: and a bit of an ugly day. Hopefully that works. 647 00:32:14,150 --> 00:32:17,990 S2: Yeah, I'm expecting a pretty ugly game. But I am. 648 00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:20,300 S2: And this is maybe more heart than head, but I'm 649 00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:26,860 S2: just hoping that some soul searching after last weekend brings 650 00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:30,229 S2: a Tigers out and a huge response. And they they 651 00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:32,270 S2: do whatever it takes to get the two points I'm 652 00:32:32,270 --> 00:32:33,260 S2: going to tip tigers. 653 00:32:34,130 --> 00:32:36,920 S1: Very good Steve I know your favorite part of the show. 654 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,020 S1: You've missed it for the last few months but it's 655 00:32:39,020 --> 00:32:41,270 S1: your this quiz now. These ones are pretty hard. 656 00:32:41,270 --> 00:32:44,870 S2: So I'm a bit naked here, right? There's no one. 657 00:32:45,230 --> 00:32:46,220 S2: No one around. 658 00:32:46,980 --> 00:32:51,350 S1: Gary's disappeared today, so I'll just read them out. And 659 00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:53,060 S1: these are basically for the viewers at home. I might 660 00:32:53,060 --> 00:32:54,830 S1: give you a couple of clues, but I don't expect 661 00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:56,930 S1: you to get some of them because they're tough. Question one, 662 00:32:57,530 --> 00:33:00,260 S1: who were the two oldest players to debut for the 663 00:33:00,260 --> 00:33:05,330 S1: West Tigers having not played for another NRL club? One 664 00:33:05,330 --> 00:33:08,480 S1: of them was a superstar import. One of them was 665 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,430 S1: last year, I think is no longer with us both. 666 00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:13,940 S1: They were both 27 years of age. 667 00:33:14,450 --> 00:33:16,970 S3: Oh, my. I am just terrible. This one. 668 00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:20,090 S1: Gareth Ellis wouldn't have said it. Thought he was given. 669 00:33:20,090 --> 00:33:21,620 S3: When he came out. But there you go. 670 00:33:21,860 --> 00:33:26,540 S1: 27 in 2009 and last week. Last year, Thomas Barney 671 00:33:26,540 --> 00:33:31,670 S1: was also 27. Question two Apart from Robbie Farah, who's 672 00:33:31,670 --> 00:33:35,840 S1: our only other starting forward to have scored a hat trick, 673 00:33:36,260 --> 00:33:38,750 S1: apart from Robbie Farah, this is a this is a 674 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,320 S1: not a trick question, but he transitioned from the outside 675 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:43,580 S1: backs to the forward pack. 676 00:33:44,180 --> 00:33:46,310 S2: Oh, I'd have to say. Chris Lawrence It. 677 00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:50,810 S1: Was round 17 of 2007 against the Panthers. 678 00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:55,280 S2: Question three Is that it? 50%, one up, one down 679 00:33:55,340 --> 00:33:55,820 S2: like that. 680 00:33:55,820 --> 00:33:56,540 S3: That's a pass. 681 00:33:57,170 --> 00:34:01,310 S1: Which number Jersey did Pat Richards Where in the 2004 682 00:34:01,310 --> 00:34:06,590 S1: World Sevens final, Not number two and number five seven. 683 00:34:06,890 --> 00:34:07,610 S4: All right. 684 00:34:08,090 --> 00:34:10,040 S1: Don't think that means he played prop. I think that. 685 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,830 S4: Must be the the sevens and the way they structure 686 00:34:12,830 --> 00:34:13,730 S4: the numbers. 687 00:34:13,820 --> 00:34:17,270 S1: Which of these NRL clubs, Steve have we not held 688 00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:23,150 S1: to zero in A game? A, Canterbury, B Penrith, C, 689 00:34:23,150 --> 00:34:25,279 S1: Canberra or D Brisbane. 690 00:34:26,410 --> 00:34:30,009 S2: Um, I seem to remember a Canterbury one. Was it 691 00:34:30,010 --> 00:34:32,230 S2: 50 Donnell or was 50 kilos? 692 00:34:32,380 --> 00:34:35,739 S1: It was 50 for two. So they're actually they're actually 693 00:34:35,739 --> 00:34:37,600 S1: the only team. We haven't held to nil because we 694 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:42,070 S1: beat Penrith 30 nil in 2012, Canberra 40 nil in 695 00:34:42,070 --> 00:34:47,680 S1: 2012 and Brisbane think it was 48 nil like in 2020. 696 00:34:47,830 --> 00:34:50,830 S1: Canterbury was beaten 54 two and 56 four but never 697 00:34:50,830 --> 00:34:54,340 S1: held them to nil. Okay, I want you to name 698 00:34:54,340 --> 00:34:57,130 S1: as many West Tigers players as you can who have 699 00:34:57,130 --> 00:34:59,920 S1: played for the Kangaroos while playing for our club. There 700 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:01,000 S1: are six. 701 00:35:01,540 --> 00:35:02,610 S3: Wests Tigers players. 702 00:35:03,370 --> 00:35:08,680 S2: Kangaroo as well. You'd say Robbie Farah. Yep. Five for Australia. 703 00:35:11,020 --> 00:35:13,060 S2: Brett Hudson. Did he play for Australia? 704 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:14,300 S3: No. No. 705 00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:16,569 S2: So whilst. 706 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:19,700 S3: We played for Australia. 707 00:35:20,780 --> 00:35:24,860 S1: We ran the 2010 side. There were a few. So 708 00:35:24,860 --> 00:35:28,850 S1: we had Robbie Farrell was 2009. Scott Prince did in 2005. 709 00:35:28,850 --> 00:35:33,320 S1: I don't remember that lot to carry 2010 with Chris Lawrence. 710 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,790 S1: Keith Galloway did in 2011 and Darren Woods did in 2014. 711 00:35:37,969 --> 00:35:41,219 S4: Maybe things was looking after a few of the boys 712 00:35:41,219 --> 00:35:43,280 S4: there because I think he was Australian coach during a 713 00:35:43,310 --> 00:35:44,480 S4: fair amount of that period. 714 00:35:45,140 --> 00:35:48,710 S1: Last one and this one you doubt you'll get excluding 715 00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:51,589 S1: the Dolphins, which is the only NRL club to get 716 00:35:51,590 --> 00:35:55,940 S1: to play at one one of our two spiritual home grounds. 717 00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:58,670 S1: So there's one club out there that hasn't played it 718 00:35:58,670 --> 00:36:01,790 S1: either like Out or Campbelltown in our 20 plus year history. 719 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,339 S1: I'll give you a clue. It's out at Campbelltown, which 720 00:36:04,340 --> 00:36:05,779 S1: team's never been out there? 721 00:36:06,190 --> 00:36:08,480 S2: You know, I'm going to say, I'm going to say 722 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,390 S2: I don't know about never. I'm going to say Parramatta 723 00:36:11,390 --> 00:36:15,230 S2: because that's usually in it's Homebush with it's home. 724 00:36:15,350 --> 00:36:16,250 S3: Usually there, but they have. 725 00:36:16,250 --> 00:36:18,590 S4: Been there a couple of times at Souths because Souths 726 00:36:18,590 --> 00:36:20,149 S4: is always either put at Homebush. 727 00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:22,850 S1: Or like South Sydney have never played. 728 00:36:23,090 --> 00:36:24,920 S4: At Campbelltown. 729 00:36:26,030 --> 00:36:29,900 S1: That's it. Steve I notice my zoom is ticking down, 730 00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:32,120 S1: I've got about a minute before it explodes, so I'll 731 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,719 S1: say thank you for coming on tonight and not deserting 732 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,470 S1: the ship like Gary, Joel and Declan, and let's hope 733 00:36:39,469 --> 00:36:41,570 S1: we have something positive to talk about on. 734 00:36:41,570 --> 00:36:42,560 S4: Sunday or Monday night. 735 00:36:43,250 --> 00:36:45,230 S2: Yeah, let's talk about the two points we've earned. 736 00:36:45,590 --> 00:36:51,950 UU: Thanks, Eddie. Thanks, Steve. Straight to the top. Can't the 737 00:36:51,950 --> 00:36:58,870 UU: guts got the glory? Whether this. We're not gonna stuff 738 00:36:58,870 --> 00:37:05,460 UU: just the team with a will to. Whether. I guess 739 00:37:05,460 --> 00:37:14,469 UU: it's the. Rising up to the challenge. He stops his 740 00:37:14,469 --> 00:37:40,120 UU: prey in the night. And you're watching us. Where? Where's tigers? Cressida.