WEBVTT - Kopi Time E067: Year-end commentary: Testing the guardrails

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<v Speaker 1>mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to Kobe times, final episode

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<v Speaker 2>of 2022. I'm tamar chief economist coming to you without

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<v Speaker 1>a guest with our year and commentary.

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<v Speaker 2>We

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<v Speaker 1>called our 2021 Outlook a

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<v Speaker 3>bifurcated world and

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<v Speaker 2>the year lived up to that thesis. The global economic

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<v Speaker 2>recovery was extremely uneven from vaccine distribution to the impact

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<v Speaker 2>of the sharp

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<v Speaker 3>rally in asset

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<v Speaker 1>markets. Both of

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<v Speaker 2>those favored the wealthy. And let's also not

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<v Speaker 1>forget all the fiscal

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<v Speaker 2>and monetary support.

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<v Speaker 2>They were of course the

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<v Speaker 1>most supportive in nations

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<v Speaker 3>with the most were brutal.

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<v Speaker 1>A globally

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<v Speaker 2>coordinated approach to distribute medical equipment

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<v Speaker 3>and vaccines. On one hand,

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<v Speaker 2>financial support on the other hand would have shortened

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<v Speaker 3>the duration of the pandemic

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<v Speaker 1>and soften

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<v Speaker 2>its blow to

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<v Speaker 3>livelihoods. But that didn't happen

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 3>And predictably

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<v Speaker 1>Our 2022 Outlook is titled

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<v Speaker 3>testing the guardrails.

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<v Speaker 2>The bifurcated world after delays and missteps

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<v Speaker 1>has built some

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<v Speaker 3>guardrails admittedly

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<v Speaker 3>vaccine

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<v Speaker 2>production is up and distribution is becoming more. Even

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<v Speaker 2>economies are opening up with vaccinated

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<v Speaker 3>travel lanes.

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<v Speaker 2>Strong demand for manufactured goods

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<v Speaker 3>and commodities is

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<v Speaker 2>helping the emerging

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<v Speaker 3>markets that export

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<v Speaker 1>them

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<v Speaker 1>funds

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<v Speaker 3>and facilities from multi laterals

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<v Speaker 2>for short term challenges like debt repayment

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<v Speaker 3>and buying medical

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<v Speaker 1>equipment and for long term

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<v Speaker 3>challenges like

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<v Speaker 2>transition to renewable

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<v Speaker 1>fuels.

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<v Speaker 1>They

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<v Speaker 2>are becoming increasingly

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<v Speaker 1>available

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<v Speaker 1>hands

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<v Speaker 1>2022 Ought to be

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<v Speaker 2>characterized by strong consumer

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<v Speaker 3>demand in developed markets

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<v Speaker 2>and a substantial reopening

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<v Speaker 3>dynamic in emerging markets

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<v Speaker 1>clouded of

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<v Speaker 3>course attacked by U. S. Monetary policy

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<v Speaker 2>moves.

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<v Speaker 1>But the omicron variant

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<v Speaker 2>threatened to spoil

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<v Speaker 3>that narrative to some extent.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if it turns out to have more

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<v Speaker 3>bark than bite? Basically what I'm saying is it's very

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<v Speaker 2>infectious but turns out to be

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<v Speaker 1>not particularly lethal. The world's

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<v Speaker 2>vulnerability to variance

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<v Speaker 1>is will underscored

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<v Speaker 3>by these developments and that again sheds harsh light on

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<v Speaker 3>the danger posed by the global vaccine. Inequity

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<v Speaker 2>markets therefore will remain

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<v Speaker 3>on the edge with inevitable news flow of this nature.

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<v Speaker 1>Now

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<v Speaker 1>beyond the

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<v Speaker 3>pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about the

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<v Speaker 3>other big elephant in the

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<v Speaker 1>room inflation.

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<v Speaker 1>The inflation

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<v Speaker 3>debate, supply versus demand

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<v Speaker 2>temporary versus

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<v Speaker 1>structural

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<v Speaker 3>has run its

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<v Speaker 2>course with policy liftoff from the emergency accommodation very likely

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<v Speaker 2>to be the

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<v Speaker 3>big team

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<v Speaker 2>For 2022.

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<v Speaker 2>The US Fed would

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<v Speaker 3>have to balance inflation risk against keeping the economic recovery intact.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the key challenge

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<v Speaker 1>inflation out turn

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<v Speaker 2>in the U. S. Gets most of the headlines. But

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<v Speaker 2>the phenomenon goes beyond

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<v Speaker 3>its domestic factors like strong stimulus tight labor market and

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<v Speaker 3>will

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<v Speaker 2>affect stemming from a

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<v Speaker 3>frothy asset market.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact

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<v Speaker 2>many items in the consumer price

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<v Speaker 1>index in the

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<v Speaker 2>U. S. Or elsewhere that have soared lately

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<v Speaker 2>are

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<v Speaker 3>taking their cues

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<v Speaker 1>from global

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<v Speaker 3>prices

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<v Speaker 1>given the prevalence of common

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<v Speaker 3>factors like natural gas,

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<v Speaker 2>petroleum fertilizer and a

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<v Speaker 1>range of food items inflation

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<v Speaker 2>unsurprisingly has picked up in the euro area and the U.

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<v Speaker 1>K. Although not

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<v Speaker 3>as sharply as in the

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<v Speaker 2>US right here in Singapore inflation has picked up in

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<v Speaker 2>recent months

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<v Speaker 2>With headline inflation running at three

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<v Speaker 1>.2% through

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<v Speaker 2>october

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<v Speaker 2>although the year to date

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<v Speaker 3>average price level is

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<v Speaker 1>Up only about two

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<v Speaker 2>over the corresponding

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<v Speaker 3>period last year.

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<v Speaker 2>What about

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<v Speaker 1>emerging asia? Well, china India and Indonesia have

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<v Speaker 2>not yet seen comparable

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<v Speaker 1>upward pressure to

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<v Speaker 2>prices reflecting subdued domestic demand, an

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<v Speaker 3>incomplete pass

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<v Speaker 1>through of world prices at the local pump level. Still

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<v Speaker 1>inflation by no means is a non issue in India

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<v Speaker 2>and there is a risk of fuel

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<v Speaker 3>prices being raised in china and

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<v Speaker 1>Indonesia

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<v Speaker 1>at the component level.

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<v Speaker 3>Energy prices

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<v Speaker 2>admittedly have soared this year

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<v Speaker 3>and demand some degree of

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<v Speaker 1>scrutiny from us.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about

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<v Speaker 3>it, demand for energy has jumped

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<v Speaker 2>due to trade rebound with

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<v Speaker 3>gas prices jumping on account of low stock and strong

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<v Speaker 1>demand, especially as

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<v Speaker 2>coal usage has been discouraged

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<v Speaker 1>on oil. Opec kota has held up

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<v Speaker 2>shale production in the U.

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<v Speaker 3>S. Has been poor

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<v Speaker 2>and transportation demand

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<v Speaker 3>has jumped with economic reopening

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<v Speaker 1>then

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<v Speaker 2>there is call which has suffered from pandemic induced

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<v Speaker 3>supply disruptions

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<v Speaker 1>in all cases though,

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<v Speaker 3>supply is coming back gingerly, but it is coming back

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<v Speaker 1>outside of

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<v Speaker 2>industrial economies. On the food price side, we have seen

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<v Speaker 2>major development

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<v Speaker 3>with respect to rise in soybean. These are important ones.

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<v Speaker 3>They have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>political and social sensitivities and there are reasons to worry

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<v Speaker 2>about these prices and also quote for broader

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<v Speaker 3>range of prices

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<v Speaker 1>on the rice

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<v Speaker 2>and soybeans side, they

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<v Speaker 3>rose a lot last year. Uh They

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<v Speaker 1>have somewhat moved

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<v Speaker 3>past the pandemic

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<v Speaker 2>induced supply crunch and some idiosyncratic

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<v Speaker 3>factors. For example, in china last

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<v Speaker 2>year there was a major driver

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<v Speaker 3>for soybean demand

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<v Speaker 2>and prices because there was a

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<v Speaker 3>spike in soybean based feedstock demand.

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<v Speaker 2>But these

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<v Speaker 1>things have

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat run its course,

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<v Speaker 3>but not everything.

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<v Speaker 2>If you think about cereals

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<v Speaker 3>beyond rice, uh coffee,

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<v Speaker 1>sugar, meat, fish, edible oil,

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<v Speaker 2>these things have gone through major

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<v Speaker 1>supply shortages while

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<v Speaker 3>they have had to keep up with sustained global demand

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<v Speaker 3>of these food items that I just talked about.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no major

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<v Speaker 3>driver of supply demand dynamic to ease anytime

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<v Speaker 1>soon. You see

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<v Speaker 2>food production

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<v Speaker 3>is somewhat inelastic in the

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<v Speaker 1>short run

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<v Speaker 1>and

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<v Speaker 3>climate change related events are causing crop failure with increasing frequency.

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<v Speaker 2>So there is reason to

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<v Speaker 1>worry here.

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<v Speaker 1>If elevated food prices is a given that would cause

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<v Speaker 1>considerable

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<v Speaker 3>stress in developing societies that are food important dependent. Another

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<v Speaker 3>risk for them is

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<v Speaker 2>that the US

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<v Speaker 3>dollar strength, which is probably likely next year around taper

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<v Speaker 3>and rate increase

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<v Speaker 1>that would also push

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<v Speaker 3>up the import costs for developing countries.

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<v Speaker 1>No,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a good chance that energy

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<v Speaker 2>and food prices won't keep

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<v Speaker 3>rising, will remain high but not necessarily keep rising

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<v Speaker 2>because there would be some

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<v Speaker 3>degree of demand adjustment. You may have um in elastic supply,

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<v Speaker 3>but there's a limit of how much we can buy

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<v Speaker 3>these things at very high levels. So demand would have

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<v Speaker 3>to adjust to some extent. But one area where demand

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<v Speaker 3>looks rather in elastic is base metals,

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<v Speaker 2>demand for various metals

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<v Speaker 3>related to electronic

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturing continues to

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<v Speaker 2>soar as the

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<v Speaker 3>world turns more digital and energy transition efforts gathered momentum,

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<v Speaker 1>low

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<v Speaker 2>greenhouse gas technologies including renewable energy, electric cars, hydrogen

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<v Speaker 3>and carbon

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<v Speaker 1>capture. All of these

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<v Speaker 3>things require more metals than their fossil fuel based counterparts.

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<v Speaker 1>A multiyear

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<v Speaker 3>rally in metals, industrial metals, that is

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<v Speaker 1>look

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<v Speaker 3>pretty likely to

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<v Speaker 1>us

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<v Speaker 1>all. The high prices of metals such

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<v Speaker 2>as cobalt,

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<v Speaker 2>copper,

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<v Speaker 1>lithium and nickel could

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<v Speaker 2>inadvertently cause

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<v Speaker 3>delays in climate transition. So that's one major downside

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<v Speaker 2>interestingly. And finally

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<v Speaker 3>on the inflation side,

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<v Speaker 1>precious metals would be obvious

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<v Speaker 3>candidates for a rally at this juncture

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<v Speaker 2>as their historical role has been to act

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<v Speaker 3>as a hedge against a broader rise in the price level,

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<v Speaker 3>oddly, that has really not been the

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<v Speaker 1>case.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Earlier, gold and silver bowl jumped. That's during

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<v Speaker 3>the uncertainty heavy phase of the pandemic

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<v Speaker 2>for last year.

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<v Speaker 1>But since

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<v Speaker 2>then gold has been largely

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<v Speaker 1>flatter week

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<v Speaker 3>while silver

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<v Speaker 1>jumping on the back of

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<v Speaker 2>demand uh, do from coming from china

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<v Speaker 1>has corrected lately.

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<v Speaker 3>Also with china's

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<v Speaker 1>slowdown.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that tell us? Well, to me that

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<v Speaker 2>is a major verdict from the

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<v Speaker 3>market that it is fairly sanguine about the medium term

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<v Speaker 3>inflation scenario. So there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of discussion about the near term inflation

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<v Speaker 1>and we recognize

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<v Speaker 3>some of those risks,

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<v Speaker 1>but for the medium term market

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<v Speaker 3>based indicators are telling us there isn't that much to

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<v Speaker 3>worry about.

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<v Speaker 1>That's

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<v Speaker 2>That for inflation, let's move on. What are the other

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<v Speaker 2>risk factors for 20

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<v Speaker 1>22? Well, first in that list is the state of

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<v Speaker 1>the asset market

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<v Speaker 2>marked by historically high evaluation across the spectrum.

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<v Speaker 2>While interest rates, liquidity and

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<v Speaker 3>investor appetite

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<v Speaker 2>remain conducive for that fraud to

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<v Speaker 1>persist. The

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<v Speaker 2>space between profit

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<v Speaker 1>taking and a downward spiral

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<v Speaker 3>is narrowing because of such lofty levels.

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<v Speaker 1>Unlike the

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<v Speaker 2>chinese authorities who appear impervious to asset price correction

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<v Speaker 3>to some extent,

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<v Speaker 1>the Fed faces

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<v Speaker 2>tremendous pressure to support the markets and

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<v Speaker 1>Therefore 2022 will

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<v Speaker 2>brings several

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<v Speaker 1>tests for the Fed, which

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<v Speaker 2>would want to go ahead with paper and rate increases,

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<v Speaker 2>but at

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<v Speaker 3>the same time would would not want to undermine asset

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<v Speaker 3>markets in a very

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<v Speaker 2>big manner because

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<v Speaker 3>then the negative wealth effect can

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<v Speaker 2>percolate through the system and cause the

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<v Speaker 1>recovery to falter.

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<v Speaker 1>The second risk factor

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<v Speaker 3>is china.

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<v Speaker 3>The global

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<v Speaker 1>economy and markets

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<v Speaker 3>took notice of china's market

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<v Speaker 2>sell off and economic slowdown

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<v Speaker 1>In 2021. But there was actually very little spillover.

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<v Speaker 3>That's surprising given china's

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<v Speaker 1>large scale.

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<v Speaker 1>Now,

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<v Speaker 2>just because that didn't

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<v Speaker 3>happen in 2021 doesn't mean it will not happen in

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<v Speaker 3>2020

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<v Speaker 1>two.

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<v Speaker 1>So we think that further correction in china, be

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<v Speaker 2>it from pandemic resurgence regulatory crackdown or power

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<v Speaker 1>shortage could

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<v Speaker 2>put a major dent

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<v Speaker 3>in global demand and investor sentiment next year. So watch

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<v Speaker 3>out for

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<v Speaker 1>that

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<v Speaker 1>3rd, dealing with the fiscal cost of the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, many countries have

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<v Speaker 2>seen their debt

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<v Speaker 3>GDP ratio go up by

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<v Speaker 1>15 to 30

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<v Speaker 3>over the past couple of years,

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of the level of interest

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<v Speaker 3>rates. The time to stop adding to debt has arrived,

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<v Speaker 2>which would require both healthy GDP growth

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<v Speaker 3>and reduction in fiscal support.

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<v Speaker 1>So you need

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<v Speaker 2>GDP to continue to grow that can add or stop

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<v Speaker 2>addition to grow debt

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<v Speaker 3>GDP to go up

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<v Speaker 2>or you can start cutting back on

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<v Speaker 3>fiscal support, which can also then reduce the fiscal impulse

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<v Speaker 3>and debt

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<v Speaker 1>creating flows.

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<v Speaker 3>Now this is going to be a challenging act to

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<v Speaker 3>say the least with a high

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<v Speaker 2>chance of a few

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<v Speaker 3>sovereign stumbles. You

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<v Speaker 2>can't really orchestrate

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<v Speaker 3>a slaughter on the debt market without

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<v Speaker 2>some stumbles here and there. You have already

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<v Speaker 3>seen that in some parts of the

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<v Speaker 2>world.

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<v Speaker 2>So these risks are likely to

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<v Speaker 3>manifest outside of Asia

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<v Speaker 2>more so than Asia.

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<v Speaker 1>But the stress could certainly spill over to these shores.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming

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<v Speaker 2>back to the Feds forthcoming

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<v Speaker 3>challenges. Even if developed asset markets managed to handle the liftoff.

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<v Speaker 1>Two questions will linger. First,

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<v Speaker 2>would inflation come down with a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of policy normalization

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<v Speaker 2>or would it require

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<v Speaker 1>forceful crow

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<v Speaker 3>dampening action.

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<v Speaker 1>Second, would

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<v Speaker 2>emerging markets be able to

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<v Speaker 3>handle the lack of volatility in

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<v Speaker 1>capital flows that

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<v Speaker 3>would accompany the Fed

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<v Speaker 1>moves.

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<v Speaker 1>So

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<v Speaker 1>lots to worry about,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is important to play called attention

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<v Speaker 2>to these risks.

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<v Speaker 1>Surely

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<v Speaker 1>there is also a good chance that it could all

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<v Speaker 3>work out next year.

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<v Speaker 1>These are

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<v Speaker 2>not some

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<v Speaker 2>very, very aspirational points.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm about to make consider the following

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<v Speaker 1>in the near term. The

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<v Speaker 2>transition to an endemic

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<v Speaker 1>Covid could keep

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<v Speaker 2>progressing.

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<v Speaker 2>Put aside omicron

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<v Speaker 1>for a second. Think about the

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<v Speaker 3>wider picture,

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<v Speaker 2>vaccination. Rollout of antiviral treatments, herd immunity being

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<v Speaker 1>built up Well then maybe we are actually

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<v Speaker 3>not at a very scary part of the

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<v Speaker 1>pandemic, but we're actually the final chapter of the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there's the issue of

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<v Speaker 3>supply side bottlenecks,

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<v Speaker 1>especially at the ports.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going

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<v Speaker 2>to ease the consumer demand may remain

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<v Speaker 1>resilient, but

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<v Speaker 2>the way to release the goods, the way to distribute

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<v Speaker 2>the goods is certainly within our

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<v Speaker 3>grasp and it is in the office

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<v Speaker 3>Then there is a big challenge of our generation china.

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<v Speaker 2>Us

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<v Speaker 1>they're not going to become

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<v Speaker 3>Allies in 2020

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<v Speaker 2>two

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<v Speaker 1>but they could certainly find

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<v Speaker 3>areas of detente

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<v Speaker 2>especially over

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<v Speaker 3>climate change and technology

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<v Speaker 3>and

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<v Speaker 2>That could make for a common 22, 20

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<v Speaker 1>two supported

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<v Speaker 2>by the guardrails of

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<v Speaker 3>geopolitics, economics, and finance.

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<v Speaker 1>That's

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<v Speaker 3>it for this year.

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<v Speaker 2>We hosted 28 episodes of COVID time in 2021 covering

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<v Speaker 2>subjects from fintech to climate change and of course global

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<v Speaker 2>macro and the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>What a

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<v Speaker 3>fascinating time to cover global markets and economies.

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<v Speaker 2>We thank you our listeners for your time and feedback.

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<v Speaker 1>guests who have kindly

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<v Speaker 3>given their time and

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you martin Tuckey

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<v Speaker 2>for your

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<v Speaker 2>We wish you all a happy and healthy holidays and

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<v Speaker 3>With your loved ones. See you in 20

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<v Speaker 2>22.