1 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:06,650 Speaker 1: Mhm. 2 00:00:07,140 --> 00:00:08,670 Speaker 2: Welcome to Kobe time. 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,450 Speaker 1: A podcast series on markets and economies from DBS group research. 4 00:00:12,510 --> 00:00:16,860 Speaker 1: I'm famous economist welcoming you to our 78th episode. 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,140 Speaker 1: Today it's just yours truly with a commentary on china's 6 00:00:21,140 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: slowdown and what that means for the countries in Asean 7 00:00:25,940 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: now clearly china matters 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,050 Speaker 1: while china's outlook faces numerous headwinds. 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,659 Speaker 1: Even a recent slowdown in trend growth has not dented. 10 00:00:35,670 --> 00:00:37,659 Speaker 1: It's growing share of global output 11 00:00:38,340 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: In current US dollars between 2010 and 2020 China's share 12 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: of global GDP nearly doubled just astonishing. 13 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,370 Speaker 1: Barring a major setback china is actually on course to 14 00:00:50,370 --> 00:00:53,070 Speaker 1: become the largest economy in the world before this decade 15 00:00:53,070 --> 00:00:56,610 Speaker 1: is over. Although that's in aggregate terms is the per 16 00:00:56,610 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: capita income would still be less than a quarter of 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:00:59,460 Speaker 1: that of the US. 18 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,170 Speaker 1: Now let's look at it from another angle. But using 19 00:01:03,170 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: the same data 20 00:01:04,540 --> 00:01:09,710 Speaker 1: China's nominal GDP was $17.5 trillion 2021 21 00:01:10,140 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: Compared to $14.9 trillion dollars in the previous years. 22 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,190 Speaker 1: That means China's nominal GDP expanded on a year on 23 00:01:18,190 --> 00:01:22,350 Speaker 1: year basis by $2.6 trillion dollars last year. 24 00:01:22,740 --> 00:01:27,300 Speaker 1: That was 22% higher than the expansion of the US. 25 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:33,060 Speaker 1: As the largest contributor to global growth. China's 2022 outlook 26 00:01:33,060 --> 00:01:35,770 Speaker 1: matters for the rest of the world, particularly Asean. 27 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,910 Speaker 1: But the key question is by how much 28 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,450 Speaker 1: we examined associations reliance on china's growth by running crowds 29 00:01:44,450 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: regressions for each Asean country for the period 2005 to 2021. 30 00:01:49,410 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: So 16 17 years worth of data 31 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: with three independent variables on the right hand side there 32 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: are real GDP growth rates of china. Real GDP growth 33 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,020 Speaker 1: rates of the U. S. As well as changing oil prices. 34 00:02:02,210 --> 00:02:03,940 Speaker 1: So as you can see we're trying to get three 35 00:02:04,180 --> 00:02:06,350 Speaker 1: really different drivers of growth. 36 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: We run this exercise using both quarterly and annual data 37 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: and find fairly similar results which is China matters for 38 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,940 Speaker 1: ASEAN growth and it matters more today than it did 39 00:02:17,940 --> 00:02:21,460 Speaker 1: 10 years ago. But the us matters much more. 40 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,550 Speaker 1: The coefficient estimates vary. You can actually go through them 41 00:02:25,830 --> 00:02:29,430 Speaker 1: in detail in our made 30 weekly a link for 42 00:02:29,430 --> 00:02:32,980 Speaker 1: that is provided in the shows. But in all cases 43 00:02:32,980 --> 00:02:37,340 Speaker 1: the US enters these regression results with a substantially greater 44 00:02:37,340 --> 00:02:39,350 Speaker 1: magnitude than that of China. 45 00:02:41,220 --> 00:02:42,660 Speaker 1: The reason for this is clear, 46 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,740 Speaker 1: china's trade linkages with the region are deep and growing 47 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: but there is still largely a function of the global 48 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,580 Speaker 1: trade dynamic as opposed to china's domestic demand. 49 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,060 Speaker 1: Many goods produced in Asean countries are intermediate inputs in 50 00:02:57,060 --> 00:03:00,190 Speaker 1: the supply chain which go to china for assembly. And 51 00:03:00,190 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: the linkage also works in reverse. A large chunk of 52 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: the region's imports are made in china inputs for Ottawa's 53 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: electrical and electronic assembly. 54 00:03:10,139 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: As long as global demand is holding up china's domestic demand. 55 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: Headwinds will not cause regional trade to suffer greatly in 56 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:18,260 Speaker 1: our view. 57 00:03:19,540 --> 00:03:22,900 Speaker 1: Now with respect to global demand. The US Outlook remains key. 58 00:03:22,900 --> 00:03:26,730 Speaker 1: As power analysis, let's look at some data on trade 59 00:03:26,740 --> 00:03:30,910 Speaker 1: data through April of this year show regional exports growth 60 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,419 Speaker 1: easing to around 10% on your on your basis 61 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,580 Speaker 1: quite strong given the wide range of adverse base effects 62 00:03:37,580 --> 00:03:39,670 Speaker 1: in place and adverse factors in place. 63 00:03:40,140 --> 00:03:43,050 Speaker 1: And PMS also have eased somewhat in the region. 64 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: But I would say they're kind of modest easing, not 65 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: sharp easing. 66 00:03:47,340 --> 00:03:50,430 Speaker 1: Considering the wide ranging headwinds in place. We find the 67 00:03:50,430 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: resilient export figures fairly encouraging 68 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,650 Speaker 1: but that's about trade. What about tourism? Haven't there been 69 00:03:58,660 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: very large? Tourism flows from china in recent years. Yeah 70 00:04:02,530 --> 00:04:06,020 Speaker 1: that's correct. The chinese made up for a very significant 71 00:04:06,020 --> 00:04:09,410 Speaker 1: part of regional tourism in recent years and a resumption 72 00:04:09,420 --> 00:04:12,350 Speaker 1: of tourism flow from china would be of course very 73 00:04:12,350 --> 00:04:13,550 Speaker 1: supportive for the 74 00:04:13,820 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: tourism dependent 75 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,060 Speaker 1: regions growth outlook 76 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:17,860 Speaker 1: spread. 77 00:04:18,339 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: Given that such flows have trickled to a halt since 78 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,790 Speaker 1: the spring of 2020. The lack of upside in 2022 79 00:04:24,790 --> 00:04:27,730 Speaker 1: won't really matter. As the base with respect to China 80 00:04:27,730 --> 00:04:28,860 Speaker 1: is all but zero. 81 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: Now granted the china's lord on dynamic is not helpful. 82 00:04:33,540 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: But the key headache stemming from the high price of 83 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: food and energy has little to do with china. The 84 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,140 Speaker 1: culprit being the war in Ukraine and other supply side constraints, 85 00:04:44,140 --> 00:04:46,410 Speaker 1: some of which were compounded by the covid crisis. 86 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,300 Speaker 1: If anything, a slowing of chinese demand could help the 87 00:04:51,330 --> 00:04:53,810 Speaker 1: commodities inflation outlook for the region. 88 00:04:54,740 --> 00:04:58,980 Speaker 1: Additionally, headwinds are coming from rising interest rates, capital flow, 89 00:04:58,980 --> 00:05:04,430 Speaker 1: volatility and pressure on regional currency markets yet again, these 90 00:05:04,430 --> 00:05:06,900 Speaker 1: complications are a function of the U. S. Vets. Monetary 91 00:05:06,900 --> 00:05:11,450 Speaker 1: policy direction with the PBOC a largely passive actor. 92 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,620 Speaker 1: So all in all we believe that between resumption of tourism, 93 00:05:16,630 --> 00:05:20,950 Speaker 1: even with those from china and Russia being negligible. 94 00:05:21,339 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: Uh secondly continued demand for exports. And thirdly moving past 95 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: the pandemic, there are three good factors in place that 96 00:05:28,370 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: tell us that asean growth could hold up this year 97 00:05:31,100 --> 00:05:35,310 Speaker 1: even if the outlook for china remains beset with uncertainty 98 00:05:35,310 --> 00:05:36,849 Speaker 1: and likely to disappoint. 99 00:05:37,940 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: Our 2022 real GDP growth forecast for key Asian economies 100 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,350 Speaker 1: are as follows. We think Indonesia will grow by 4.8% 101 00:05:45,350 --> 00:05:45,859 Speaker 1: this year, 102 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:51,830 Speaker 1: Malaysia by 5.5 Philippines. 7.5 Singapore 3.5 Thailand 3.5 in 103 00:05:51,830 --> 00:05:53,610 Speaker 1: Vietnam 7.0. 104 00:05:54,140 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: Not bad at all. Considering the circumstances, let's keep our 105 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,380 Speaker 1: fingers crossed. There are some downside risks but hopefully this 106 00:06:01,380 --> 00:06:05,310 Speaker 1: commentary has shown that there are some mitigating upside risks 107 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:05,860 Speaker 1: as well. 108 00:06:06,540 --> 00:06:09,750 Speaker 1: So that's it for our commentary today. Thanks for listening 109 00:06:10,140 --> 00:06:13,430 Speaker 1: Kobe time was produced by ken Del Ridge from supply studios, 110 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: daisy Sharma and violently provided additional assistance. 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