WEBVTT - When They See Us Part 2 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:07.760 The kids messed up and confessed. Kids. Let me say 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:13.720 this kid, that's what they'r kid know. It's not to 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:16.160 lie or when they when they lie, Wait a minute, 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:19.520 it's to be in a in a in a hot 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:22.680 situation like that in the police station, sitting in the 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:25.560 room you ain't never set in and let's listen. Just 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:29.440 row motherfucker's tell you what you did, how you did 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:34.800 it for hours hours. Man, that's that's that's the same 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:37.440 mental torture. You ain't been on that side. You gotta 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.760 buil on that side to understand that type of ship. Okay. 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:43.120 But but then two days later my parents come on, 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:45.360 I get some attorneys or whatever. When I get some 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:52.640 attorneys now, but say we like fourteen years old, the 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.640 police couldn't work with me unless my mama was in there. 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:58.560 I stayed in Lost Madrinas. I don't know. I know 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.240 that mother. I'm fifty some years old, and I know 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:04.640 Lost Virginia's addressed by heart. Seventy two eighty five, Queil 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:08.520 drive down the calipoint. I know it by heart. Every 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:11.440 time I messed up and winning there that that's where 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:16.319 they sent me, just because man, they gotta wait a minute, 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:20.880 you knew that, because that if you don't know, then 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.000 you're still going. Well, you just said one of them 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:30.360 is a little slower. But the way they signed the system, man, 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:34.120 and the way some of these police get down reds 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:38.720 is wrong. And then they sent him people to jail 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.199 for nothing. It's a lot of people getting down to jail. 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:48.280 But but that wasn't and that's a minute. Shouldn't it 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.040 also be a good thing? On the flip side, if 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:58.120 y'all wrongly convicted me, shouldn't I be paid for doing they? 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:04.320 I mean, like one of like, shouldn't you can't pay 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.560 me no amount of money for the time that I 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:07.840 had to do and what I had to go through 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:10.360 being in Riker's Island and all of that. He says, 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:12.440 no money, But yeah, they up, but all of that 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:15.679 they went through, shouldn't shouldn't they have to face the 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:23.799 same ship. I mean, I'm creating and lying and falsifying 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:25.680 it from make you should go to But if I'm 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:28.679 sitting here and I'm doing what I think it's my job, 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:33.880 by keep badgering woo woo woo woo, Badgrien James badgerom 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:36.239 and then you finally go and Okay, that's just like, 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:39.560 is it rape if I'm trying to get some pussy 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.000 from this chick and she couldn't tell me no, no, no, no, 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:46.920 no no, and I keep it. Come over, Come on, baby, 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.919 come on baby. I don't think the woman was This 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:52.880 was early late nineties and the victim, her name is 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:58.119 Tricia Mellie Maine. Did they get a lineup on these kids? 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.480 And she said, that's all up, that's the I don't 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:02.400 I don't think that's the way it went down because 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:05.480 she was beating they Donald Trumping all day and they 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:08.440 were putting out ship Donald Trump is involved. Donald Trump 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:10.640 back back in the day when on television and said, 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:13.600 whoever did this? Our animals did an add on it. 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:17.040 But my point is the prosecutor that's why she getting 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:20.120 kept in so much till she pretty much told go 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.639 through Harlem or or one of those areas and pick 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.440 up everybody body, all black. They mean, this was a 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:31.080 high profile thing, and they were exactly and they were 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.519 just satisfied with arresting someone, not just arresting who was 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:36.960 really guilty of it. And that's the code thing about 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.880 being if you know they're not guilty, but you you 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:44.280 fight hard to send. But eventually, if if they wouldn't enough, 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:47.240 and I understand what you're saying about the age and 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:50.160 the peer pressure stuff, but if they wouldn't have eventually 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:53.840 unfortunately UH copped out to it, then they would have 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:57.120 never been convicted. Now I would take that if this 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:03.040 was nineteen and up five year old cats. But we're 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:07.520 talking about fourteen year old young men. One sixteen child, 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:09.960 Tomas an adult. Now I'm just think going to rikers 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:14.080 out in at sixteen, you pretty much pussy. You don't 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:19.719 ruin my life, this lady. Those police officers ruined them kids, 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:25.360 absolutely took their life, ruined them, and then they polices 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:27.720 or something. I can see if they created I'm one 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:32.120 of those. One of the things that they did was 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:36.000 they wrote statements and made them sign it to that's 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.159 not fair. I gotta watch this. I don't watch the show, 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.000 read up on it because documentary. I mean, I didn't 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.560 watch them, and I think I'll see it from us all. 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:49.440 I mean, they can continue this one because I really 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:53.120 want to see you, I mean, Lord and mercy man, 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:58.920 because every guy that ever went to jail, know, every 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.320 guy that's been s in that room back in the day, 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.000 is when they used to give you a cigarette. You 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:06.400 want some coffee, you want some chips. And then right 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:09.360 after that, if you ain't talking, you got your ass 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:12.680 whopped in there. You got your ass whipped in there. 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:14.800 And they can do it how they want to do it, 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.720 because motherfucker's like us, don't know the long and they 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:21.120 ain't gonna talk and ain't gonna say ship. You only 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:26.520 got that maybe pent of officers that coming there. That's right, 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:30.960 like your dad that come in there and say, I 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.520 know you're sucked up. Just to men, you funked up. 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.360 Let's get it over with. Don't come in there with 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:38.040 no bullshit. If you didn't do it, don't come to it. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.440 Goddamn thing you didn't do. That's how Ready you said. 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:42.880 And he walked out. You don't see Reggie, no motherfucking more. 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.400 You'll be playing. Call your call Redge when you was jailer, 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.560 called Redge, Tell Edge you want to talk to him. No, 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:51.360 I didn't told you what I had to tell you, 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:55.440 and that's it. Unfortunately, this is the bad thing and 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:58.040 stuff because everybody's always holler we wanna talk to Ready, 0:05:58.040 --> 0:05:59.600 we wanna talk to Reggy, we wanna talk to Ready, 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.720 And no, assholes and and you know, so we had 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:04.960 problems to Oh he got arrested for me lesson and 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.600 his daughter yesterday. He ain't no comp no more. You know, 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.160 we have to go through ship like that. Mother's cos 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:12.560 do that. But I never went through that. Yeah, they 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:14.560 say stupid ship like that, you know, to try to 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.159 I mean, you know, I think everybody if you hold 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:23.760 civilians accountable for crimes, for murder or whatever, just because 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:27.600 I have a badge and I killed somebody, now I'm 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:30.320 I'm I should be a civilian. You should go to 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:35.240 jail for this ship if you I agree with you. Women, 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:37.200 let me clear it up. But I don't want to 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:41.479 come across that. If that's how the situation went down, 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:45.680 I totally agree with y'all. It's just if if if 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:49.200 I'm pressing you and doing my job because I'm seeing 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.120 this victim, this lady, that then all of this, this 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:54.920 this doesn't happened to and I'm picturing her as my sister, 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:57.719 my mother and all of that, I'm gonna do everything 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:00.960 in my power to try. Who gets you to turn 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.720 I watched? Does that means? That means you have to 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:07.000 assume that the people in this room are guilty. You 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:10.240 gotta assume they're guilty in my mind that you should 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.680 try to find out. The goal is to find out 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:16.480 if they're guilty. But the way that the interrogation seems 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:18.520 to have one office Day already assumed right off the 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:20.800 bat that these four black boys and then one Puerto 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:24.320 Rican kid were guilty from the beginning and then sometimes 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:28.239 but they committed the most of America does not understand 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:30.200 how did five people that are not guilty of this 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:34.840 crime end up in prison? And to me, it's they 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.360 copped out to it. I wouldn't say they copped out. 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:41.360 They were pressured. They were pressured to make statements that 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:45.200 were untrue just to satisfy the detectives questions. And they 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.280 didn't have to say no more. They get at you 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:49.640 the d A and then the d A once they 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.520 copped out. But that's what at the beginning of this 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.840 this podcast, what did I say, shut the funk up? 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.640 You don't learn anything else. I wish I could get 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:06.560 somebody high profile, which Johnny shut the How don't learned 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:09.200 anything else from me anymore? You get in the box, 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:11.960 Shut the bunk up, explained to the cops. If he 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:15.040 was in my position, we're talking about. I don't care 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:20.400 how silent. Yes, yes, I teach my kids that, but 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:24.160 you're not built. And even my kids, well, um, my 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:27.160 kid was in a high school situation where they told 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:31.040 him right what happened, and he actually did after I 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.720 taught him, never write what happened. And I said, why 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:35.760 did you write what happened? And they said, well, the 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.640 guy told me that if if I don't write what happened, 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.880 they're gonna call school police and make it a police matter. 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:42.920 But if I write what happened, we'll just keep an 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:46.439 internal within the school manipulation game. You know, it was 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.480 a little arson that a trash can was on fire, 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:53.319 So I told my son, you fell for the oaky dough. 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:57.000 But still you know, but at that point, and he 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:03.719 was fifteen and and he was afraid the consequences. That's 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:07.200 what these kids don't understand. The day, the consequences. If 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:09.680 they knew that they were going to prison for twenty years, 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.319 if they open their mom maybe they would have been reluctant. 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:14.640 But they don't know that, not that they thought they 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:16.719 were going home. They just want to go home. And 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:20.880 you cannot give promises right a wrong yesterday you can 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:24.480 trick people, but um, you can people. Yeah, you can. 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:27.599 You can do with ruses. It's been supported by the 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:31.480 Supreme Court. But you can't offer false promises, but you 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.079 can use people. You can ruse people. James, James told me, 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:36.880 y'all did it, but you can't say if you tell 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:38.960 me the truth, what happened? You know what. They still 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.240 use that right now today, And a lot of these 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:43.599 cats on the street don't understand that what James just 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:48.280 told me, y'all just shot at him. If somebody told 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.520 me you shot at the cat, all they have to 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:54.640 take is one names the streets. They got something called 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.480 I got down first. No, no, But the thing is, 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:02.000 all these guys get out first. We won't get down first. 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.920 A lot of us don't know that, don't know the loss. 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.120 But then here we go. You know, you're quick to 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:12.360 blame somebody else because the police told you, woot the 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:16.240 whoof this? And that happened? The police said this, so 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:19.480 you go home. This is how they destroyed half of 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:22.760 the real thug cats out there is if you got 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:25.360 a dirty name, you ain't no good. If you if 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:30.839 what you say day and you said yeah something. A 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:36.720 lot of cats have been disrespected has has been been. 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:42.679 Your homies said, y'all shot woo the whoop up. You 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:44.839 know what I'm saying. Your homies is the one that's 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.480 told me and he said you had a wood the whoop. 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.160 Y'all already know what kind of girls using the homicide. 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:54.000 So now okay, the homies said, Now the first thing 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.559 we do is get on the phone Rick Toley and 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:01.760 motherfucker's whoo whoa. This is infamou They knew already, just 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:03.840 like really said at the beginning, shut the funk up. 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:07.360 If the police don't have nothing to write, are tight, 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.120 they can't take the d A nothing but this right here, 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:13.520 a blank sheet of paper. Now in the d A 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:17.240 gotta work. I don't. I don't. I'll sit and watch 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.240 forty eight I watched forty eight hours probably once or 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.880 twice a day, you know when I'm board, not doing anything, 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.679 doing the cookies and coffee, and I swear I sit 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.320 and see. Guys, I have seen so many cases made 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:30.480 where the right out of there where they just told 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:35.520 on themselves. I'd be like those cops are on their 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:39.360 best behavior on the first forty because it's a TV show. 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.760 Guys in positions like that how much side Cops in 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:48.120 positions like that are generally the cream of the crops. 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.520 I have no problem with the way those detectives on 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:54.360 first forty eight do their job. And the detectives on 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:58.880 this case cops and you guys in the soft uniforms, 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:00.480 not the ones in the suits and all of that, 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.160 but the ones in that that was a little there's 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:05.160 here's a great technique that cops do. They'll be sitting 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:07.240 across from you asking and then they'll do this one 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:11.240 that come over you Come on, man, you got a family, 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:15.520 think about your family. They come sit, they come move 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:18.959 over right next to you. It's all psychological. It's a game, 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.520 you know. But here's the here's the problem that I 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:23.480 have with something you said. You said they copped to it. 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:27.560 How can you cop to something that you know nothing about? 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:29.640 I think I changed the word after I say cop 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:33.240 to Uh, it was forced or something. You can't cop 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:38.480 to something you know nothing about. Yeah, correct, But they 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:41.000 said they admitted to something. They repeated the same the 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.240 stuff that the detectives were saying. But those detectives have 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:45.599 to be smart enough to say, you know what, this 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:48.400 guy is actually just repeating what we're just saying. But 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.040 when you're trying to make a case and all of 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:52.640 that high profile case like that, I can see the 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:58.680 pressure and they wanted the people. But the good thing 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:02.760 about it, most people don't know, uh, because what happened was, uh, 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:07.480 Corey Corey Wise met up with Matt Matthews Rees in 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:11.040 prison in jail, and that was a good thing because 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.120 he was he was the only one that went to 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:17.280 adult prison and mattheis Rees was in an adult prison. 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:22.240 And somehow they convinced the Elmar you know, to tell 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:24.839 the truth, and they ran his DNA and found out 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:28.719 that his DNA matched the victims. That's how they were 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:33.720 not guilty. There should be some accountability though, on those 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:38.280 detectives and the prosecutor. The prosecutor she catching him, but 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:43.040 that's nothing. I mean, she already wrote thirty but she 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:45.960 was told actually wasn't. You can say her whole case 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:51.240 was alive. But she didn't. She reported, she reported what Yeah, 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.120 but that's just like would be to be in a 0:13:54.280 --> 0:14:02.920 position such all the time rejected that case. According to her, 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.480 she didn't know. Of course, she's gonna say she didn't 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.920 know that. She just said, hey, this is what the 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.319 law enforcement gave me. This is what I had to 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:15.280 deal with because he catching a lot of help work 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.640 with the dean, So I got to investigate more. Why 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:23.680 she's oh, they all work together together, but they're not going. 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.720 But they don't want their mom lying. They don't. They 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:31.280 don't generally want that. UM. I think cases like that, 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:38.080 I think a lot of should be So what makes 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:39.760 you I don't think the FBI is more better than 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:43.120 most local comms. I think they got more resource, that's all. 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:47.680 They just got more time. They don't have as much. 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:51.160 They don't have much time. They have more time to 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.840 investigate where street cops they have small department. They just 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.320 have to keep working working cases, cases, cases, you know, 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:59.320 something new happening every day, where the FBI and the 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:01.240 US Attorney just get a sign on the case and 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.600 they've run with that for two years. So it's the 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.920 only difference. So the homicide, uh, the police officers that 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:10.240 was on this case, well homicide, right, No, they were 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:14.200 sex crimes Union, the best of that, you know, big 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:18.120 big department. Let me read something that the prosecutor of 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.600 the case, Linda Farsting, said recently. She said that the 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:24.360 TV show depicts me in a fictionalized version of events 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:30.120 and a grossly and maliciously inaccurate manner. Well, we though 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:34.040 TV show I say that about Tom, They great, Katie 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:35.800 has made me and I'm still cool with him because 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:37.880 but you know what we expect for her to say. 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:42.040 Um Eva Diverne, the producer of the show, actually says 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:45.400 she reached out to the prosecutor, the former prosecutor, to 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:47.800 bring her in on the show to get her side 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:51.080 of the story. And she said that the prosecutor, Miss 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:55.080 Linda Farstein, had all of these requests about having creative control, 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:57.640 being able to tell it the way she wanted to 0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:59.280 tell it, and they said, no, no, no, this is 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:03.040 our story. This is actually these guys story. We want 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.680 to bring you in too for your input. And she 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.520 didn't want any party to do with the show. Why 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.960 is that, Well, obviously because opinions in the way that 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.400 she was depicted, like like like like like I said earlier, 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.720 where go pick up all black guys, go pick up everybody? 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:20.560 And then she was like, well I did to tell 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:22.840 them to go pick up everybody involved in the case. 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:27.280 You know what I mean? You know, just like everything. 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:31.000 That's why you can't look at shows versus documentary. I'd 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.480 rather see the documentary because I know there's gonna be 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:36.920 a little bit of um, you know, some creative license 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:41.400 used to to tell the four part series. Yeah, but 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:45.200 from what I understand, EVA is a stickler for the facts. 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:49.080 The producer and UM and what these guys are saying, 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:53.160 and some recent interviews are pretty much you know, accurate, 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.800 meaning what that they can't be trusted or they picked 0:16:57.920 --> 0:16:59.880 ms I'm saying. So they're gonna they're gonna tell there 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:03.720 they're true. I believe what they're saying now, I mean, 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.040 I mean no, I mean, we have no choice because 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:10.280 it's already been it's factually known the rapist as a 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:13.360 whole another person, and these five teenagers at the time 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:17.720 have nothing to do stupid enough. It's the interrogation. It's 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:20.800 the interrogation tactics that I'm critical of. On first forty eight, 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.800 I have no problem with the way we see those detectives, 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:27.040 whether it's in um, what cities do they do they St. 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:32.120 Louis Dallas, I haven't. I don't have any criticism. Those 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:36.639 are professional homicide detectives. They asked the right questions, they 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:40.240 put enough pressure on there. What these detectives did in 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:42.800 this case was like a thousand times a thousand what 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.480 you see on first forty eight. You know, I don't 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:47.600 No one needs to get beat up in the interrogation room. 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:51.679 How many people get their ass kicked on first forty eight, 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:57.040 but how many at the end of pursuits. Now you 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.280 know that helicopter the news helicopters don't have. It's not 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:02.600 it's not necessary. You don't need to be that someone 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:06.240 during interrogation with very where the body cam you should 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.320 have every everybody that goes in that room. It should 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:13.320 be videotaped. How did Jerry gate that person? Even the 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:17.000 CIA says, um certain interrogations that they've done in the 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:22.600 past ineffective. If you're water boarders water boarding someone, they're 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:26.080 gonna say whatever you want to have you ever felt 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:28.320 what it's like. I actually got water boarder one because 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:31.920 I wanted to feel those like it is torture. Somebody's 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:33.639 pouring water on the top of my head and they 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:37.000 want me to say where when Mohammed is at. I'm 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.840 telling Mohammed is around the corner of the street, up 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:45.760 the hill, down the stair. So the CIA actually determined 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:50.400 that water boarding people yielded false information. So you can't 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:54.800 tell me that aggressive interrogation techniques is going to yield 0:18:54.840 --> 0:19:01.200 false information sometimes too, right, Actually, all right, Reggie's quiet 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:06.320 right now. But I mean, I think the CIA probably 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.600 knows more about interrogation than any other government body on 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:16.000 the planets. Yeah, Central Intelligence Agency, the ones that actually 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:20.400 use water boarding, and a lot of CIA experts say 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:24.560 it yields false information. So my question is, do you 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:29.480 understand why an Arab in Saudi Arabia that's being water 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:31.320 boarded in the basement of a safe house that the 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:33.919 CIA is running is gonna tell them whatever they want 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:41.280 to hear. It's the same concept, so the innocent innocent. 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:44.119 I'm talking about people that got water board We found 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.359 out that most of the people in Guantanamo Bay had 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:48.159 nothing to do with terrorism, and they were sitting in 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:51.840 Guantanamo Bay for nothing to do with terrorist at all. 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:57.119 Most of them, I would say that over sevent them 0:19:57.160 --> 0:19:59.000 had nothing to do with were never linked to any 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.960 terrorist activity. Yeah, they got a few of them, but 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:03.720 they swept up a whole lot. It's just like what 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:06.600 this prosecutor said, there's a line like you were mentioned 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.800 and go to Harlem, go to uptown and get every 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:12.480 black kid and bring them in for questioning. You know, 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:16.520 that's what That's what the movie depicts. That's what the 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:20.360 movie depicts. Yeah, she's denying that, you know. Of course 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:23.400 she's gonna deny. She's gonna deny everything. I mean, she's 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:25.600 got a lot to lose, she's got her publishing deals, 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:28.199 she's on a bunch of boards that don't want her 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:31.320 on there anymore, and there's some sponsorships all right. So 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:34.080 I wanted to bring up one more thing that I 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:38.000 thought was kind of interesting. Um, I think the article 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:40.520 was a little misleading, but there's an article that said 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:47.399 the crypts trademark the marathon continues the trademarking. Yeah, so 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:50.800 I looked it up, and what it is is Nipsey 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:56.440 Hustle's brother is trademarking the word um ther the phrase 0:20:56.480 --> 0:21:01.000 the marathon continues, but within the trademark it actually has 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.520 the words cripts and bloods in it. So I think 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:08.359 the media kind of got a misunderstanding of of what 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:13.320 maybe Nipsey's brother was trying to do if. But it 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:17.200 also brings up an interesting idea about what gangs can do. 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:22.119 So James, imagine if you or one of your homeboys decided, Hey, 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:27.760 let's incorporate or trademark the phrase mob piru. And then 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:31.639 and let's start encouraging our youth from the neighborhood to 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:34.879 start creating businesses under the banner mab Piru. Now ma 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:37.560 Piru is a corporation. And now we got a car 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:40.560 wash under mab Piru. We got a Hamburger stand under 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:43.640 mab piru. Because that's really what Nipsey's brothers doing. He's 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:47.359 doing a T shirt T shirts. It is. And I 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:50.679 think that all gangs should start moving in this direction. 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:52.920 In fact, gang members have already been moving in this 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:57.600 direction for the last years, being more entrepreneurial, investing their 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:02.520 money buying property. But usually it's elicit money that's generated 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:07.440 through drugs. Are Yeah, it's usually like drug dealer money 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:10.840 being poured into legitimate enterprises. But now we can be 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:14.040 at a point where like like Black Sam, Nipsey's brother, 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:18.200 he could actually take legitimate money and invested into something 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:20.480 and just keep flipping, keep flipping, keep flipping, as they 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:23.120 say on the streets in the drug game. And I'm 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:28.680 just surprised that more gangs do not become corporations. You 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:32.040 don't have too many gangs out there that God leaders. 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:36.000 That's intelligent like that. That that's really on the business 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:39.159 aspect of it. Not back then you weren't looking at 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:42.879 it like that. Nowadays you can get your phone and 0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:45.879 google anything and you can come up with something like this. 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:50.720 Back then, you no one would ever think that's use 0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:54.480 our hood to benefit in a in a in a 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:57.800 righteous way. I saw the brother from West Side Paru Wacko, 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:00.920 he's making Paru shirts that's now putting the p on it. 0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:03.360 And now people might look at that as, oh, that's 0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:07.400 that's gang banging, But it's really the culture, right It's 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:10.600 it's the culture. It's the neighborhood as the community, and 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:13.879 why not make some shirts and and build a business 0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:16.080 off of it. Whether it says par rou or whatever. 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:18.600