Speaker 1: The kids messed up and confessed. Kids. Let me say
Speaker 1: this kid, that's what they'r kid know. It's not to
Speaker 1: lie or when they when they lie, Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: it's to be in a in a in a hot
Speaker 1: situation like that in the police station, sitting in the
Speaker 1: room you ain't never set in and let's listen. Just
Speaker 1: row motherfucker's tell you what you did, how you did
Speaker 1: it for hours hours. Man, that's that's that's the same
Speaker 1: mental torture. You ain't been on that side. You gotta
Speaker 1: buil on that side to understand that type of ship. Okay.
Speaker 1: But but then two days later my parents come on,
Speaker 1: I get some attorneys or whatever. When I get some
Speaker 1: attorneys now, but say we like fourteen years old, the
Speaker 1: police couldn't work with me unless my mama was in there.
Speaker 1: I stayed in Lost Madrinas. I don't know. I know
Speaker 1: that mother. I'm fifty some years old, and I know
Speaker 1: Lost Virginia's addressed by heart. Seventy two eighty five, Queil
Speaker 1: drive down the calipoint. I know it by heart. Every
Speaker 1: time I messed up and winning there that that's where
Speaker 1: they sent me, just because man, they gotta wait a minute,
Speaker 1: you knew that, because that if you don't know, then
Speaker 1: you're still going. Well, you just said one of them
Speaker 1: is a little slower. But the way they signed the system, man,
Speaker 1: and the way some of these police get down reds
Speaker 1: is wrong. And then they sent him people to jail
Speaker 1: for nothing. It's a lot of people getting down to jail.
Speaker 1: But but that wasn't and that's a minute. Shouldn't it
Speaker 1: also be a good thing? On the flip side, if
Speaker 1: y'all wrongly convicted me, shouldn't I be paid for doing they?
Speaker 1: I mean, like one of like, shouldn't you can't pay
Speaker 1: me no amount of money for the time that I
Speaker 1: had to do and what I had to go through
Speaker 1: being in Riker's Island and all of that. He says,
Speaker 1: no money, But yeah, they up, but all of that
Speaker 1: they went through, shouldn't shouldn't they have to face the
Speaker 1: same ship. I mean, I'm creating and lying and falsifying
Speaker 1: it from make you should go to But if I'm
Speaker 1: sitting here and I'm doing what I think it's my job,
Speaker 1: by keep badgering woo woo woo woo, Badgrien James badgerom
Speaker 1: and then you finally go and Okay, that's just like,
Speaker 1: is it rape if I'm trying to get some pussy
Speaker 1: from this chick and she couldn't tell me no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, and I keep it. Come over, Come on, baby,
Speaker 1: come on baby. I don't think the woman was This
Speaker 1: was early late nineties and the victim, her name is
Speaker 1: Tricia Mellie Maine. Did they get a lineup on these kids?
Speaker 1: And she said, that's all up, that's the I don't
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the way it went down because
Speaker 1: she was beating they Donald Trumping all day and they
Speaker 1: were putting out ship Donald Trump is involved. Donald Trump
Speaker 1: back back in the day when on television and said,
Speaker 1: whoever did this? Our animals did an add on it.
Speaker 1: But my point is the prosecutor that's why she getting
Speaker 1: kept in so much till she pretty much told go
Speaker 1: through Harlem or or one of those areas and pick
Speaker 1: up everybody body, all black. They mean, this was a
Speaker 1: high profile thing, and they were exactly and they were
Speaker 1: just satisfied with arresting someone, not just arresting who was
Speaker 1: really guilty of it. And that's the code thing about
Speaker 1: being if you know they're not guilty, but you you
Speaker 1: fight hard to send. But eventually, if if they wouldn't enough,
Speaker 1: and I understand what you're saying about the age and
Speaker 1: the peer pressure stuff, but if they wouldn't have eventually
Speaker 1: unfortunately UH copped out to it, then they would have
Speaker 1: never been convicted. Now I would take that if this
Speaker 1: was nineteen and up five year old cats. But we're
Speaker 1: talking about fourteen year old young men. One sixteen child,
Speaker 1: Tomas an adult. Now I'm just think going to rikers
Speaker 1: out in at sixteen, you pretty much pussy. You don't
Speaker 1: ruin my life, this lady. Those police officers ruined them kids,
Speaker 1: absolutely took their life, ruined them, and then they polices
Speaker 1: or something. I can see if they created I'm one
Speaker 1: of those. One of the things that they did was
Speaker 1: they wrote statements and made them sign it to that's
Speaker 1: not fair. I gotta watch this. I don't watch the show,
Speaker 1: read up on it because documentary. I mean, I didn't
Speaker 1: watch them, and I think I'll see it from us all.
Speaker 1: I mean, they can continue this one because I really
Speaker 1: want to see you, I mean, Lord and mercy man,
Speaker 1: because every guy that ever went to jail, know, every
Speaker 1: guy that's been s in that room back in the day,
Speaker 1: is when they used to give you a cigarette. You
Speaker 1: want some coffee, you want some chips. And then right
Speaker 1: after that, if you ain't talking, you got your ass
Speaker 1: whopped in there. You got your ass whipped in there.
Speaker 1: And they can do it how they want to do it,
Speaker 1: because motherfucker's like us, don't know the long and they
Speaker 1: ain't gonna talk and ain't gonna say ship. You only
Speaker 1: got that maybe pent of officers that coming there. That's right,
Speaker 1: like your dad that come in there and say, I
Speaker 1: know you're sucked up. Just to men, you funked up.
Speaker 1: Let's get it over with. Don't come in there with
Speaker 1: no bullshit. If you didn't do it, don't come to it.
Speaker 1: Goddamn thing you didn't do. That's how Ready you said.
Speaker 1: And he walked out. You don't see Reggie, no motherfucking more.
Speaker 1: You'll be playing. Call your call Redge when you was jailer,
Speaker 1: called Redge, Tell Edge you want to talk to him. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't told you what I had to tell you,
Speaker 1: and that's it. Unfortunately, this is the bad thing and
Speaker 1: stuff because everybody's always holler we wanna talk to Ready,
Speaker 1: we wanna talk to Reggy, we wanna talk to Ready,
Speaker 1: And no, assholes and and you know, so we had
Speaker 1: problems to Oh he got arrested for me lesson and
Speaker 1: his daughter yesterday. He ain't no comp no more. You know,
Speaker 1: we have to go through ship like that. Mother's cos
Speaker 1: do that. But I never went through that. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: say stupid ship like that, you know, to try to
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think everybody if you hold
Speaker 1: civilians accountable for crimes, for murder or whatever, just because
Speaker 1: I have a badge and I killed somebody, now I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I should be a civilian. You should go to
Speaker 1: jail for this ship if you I agree with you. Women,
Speaker 1: let me clear it up. But I don't want to
Speaker 1: come across that. If that's how the situation went down,
Speaker 1: I totally agree with y'all. It's just if if if
Speaker 1: I'm pressing you and doing my job because I'm seeing
Speaker 1: this victim, this lady, that then all of this, this
Speaker 1: this doesn't happened to and I'm picturing her as my sister,
Speaker 1: my mother and all of that, I'm gonna do everything
Speaker 1: in my power to try. Who gets you to turn
Speaker 1: I watched? Does that means? That means you have to
Speaker 1: assume that the people in this room are guilty. You
Speaker 1: gotta assume they're guilty in my mind that you should
Speaker 1: try to find out. The goal is to find out
Speaker 1: if they're guilty. But the way that the interrogation seems
Speaker 1: to have one office Day already assumed right off the
Speaker 1: bat that these four black boys and then one Puerto
Speaker 1: Rican kid were guilty from the beginning and then sometimes
Speaker 1: but they committed the most of America does not understand
Speaker 1: how did five people that are not guilty of this
Speaker 1: crime end up in prison? And to me, it's they
Speaker 1: copped out to it. I wouldn't say they copped out.
Speaker 1: They were pressured. They were pressured to make statements that
Speaker 1: were untrue just to satisfy the detectives questions. And they
Speaker 1: didn't have to say no more. They get at you
Speaker 1: the d A and then the d A once they
Speaker 1: copped out. But that's what at the beginning of this
Speaker 1: this podcast, what did I say, shut the funk up?
Speaker 1: You don't learn anything else. I wish I could get
Speaker 1: somebody high profile, which Johnny shut the How don't learned
Speaker 1: anything else from me anymore? You get in the box,
Speaker 1: Shut the bunk up, explained to the cops. If he
Speaker 1: was in my position, we're talking about. I don't care
Speaker 1: how silent. Yes, yes, I teach my kids that, but
Speaker 1: you're not built. And even my kids, well, um, my
Speaker 1: kid was in a high school situation where they told
Speaker 1: him right what happened, and he actually did after I
Speaker 1: taught him, never write what happened. And I said, why
Speaker 1: did you write what happened? And they said, well, the
Speaker 1: guy told me that if if I don't write what happened,
Speaker 1: they're gonna call school police and make it a police matter.
Speaker 1: But if I write what happened, we'll just keep an
Speaker 1: internal within the school manipulation game. You know, it was
Speaker 1: a little arson that a trash can was on fire,
Speaker 1: So I told my son, you fell for the oaky dough.
Speaker 1: But still you know, but at that point, and he
Speaker 1: was fifteen and and he was afraid the consequences. That's
Speaker 1: what these kids don't understand. The day, the consequences. If
Speaker 1: they knew that they were going to prison for twenty years,
Speaker 1: if they open their mom maybe they would have been reluctant.
Speaker 1: But they don't know that, not that they thought they
Speaker 1: were going home. They just want to go home. And
Speaker 1: you cannot give promises right a wrong yesterday you can
Speaker 1: trick people, but um, you can people. Yeah, you can.
Speaker 1: You can do with ruses. It's been supported by the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court. But you can't offer false promises, but you
Speaker 1: can use people. You can ruse people. James, James told me,
Speaker 1: y'all did it, but you can't say if you tell
Speaker 1: me the truth, what happened? You know what. They still
Speaker 1: use that right now today, And a lot of these
Speaker 1: cats on the street don't understand that what James just
Speaker 1: told me, y'all just shot at him. If somebody told
Speaker 1: me you shot at the cat, all they have to
Speaker 1: take is one names the streets. They got something called
Speaker 1: I got down first. No, no, But the thing is,
Speaker 1: all these guys get out first. We won't get down first.
Speaker 1: A lot of us don't know that, don't know the loss.
Speaker 1: But then here we go. You know, you're quick to
Speaker 1: blame somebody else because the police told you, woot the
Speaker 1: whoof this? And that happened? The police said this, so
Speaker 1: you go home. This is how they destroyed half of
Speaker 1: the real thug cats out there is if you got
Speaker 1: a dirty name, you ain't no good. If you if
Speaker 1: what you say day and you said yeah something. A
Speaker 1: lot of cats have been disrespected has has been been.
Speaker 1: Your homies said, y'all shot woo the whoop up. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Your homies is the one that's
Speaker 1: told me and he said you had a wood the whoop.
Speaker 1: Y'all already know what kind of girls using the homicide.
Speaker 1: So now okay, the homies said, Now the first thing
Speaker 1: we do is get on the phone Rick Toley and
Speaker 1: motherfucker's whoo whoa. This is infamou They knew already, just
Speaker 1: like really said at the beginning, shut the funk up.
Speaker 1: If the police don't have nothing to write, are tight,
Speaker 1: they can't take the d A nothing but this right here,
Speaker 1: a blank sheet of paper. Now in the d A
Speaker 1: gotta work. I don't. I don't. I'll sit and watch
Speaker 1: forty eight I watched forty eight hours probably once or
Speaker 1: twice a day, you know when I'm board, not doing anything,
Speaker 1: doing the cookies and coffee, and I swear I sit
Speaker 1: and see. Guys, I have seen so many cases made
Speaker 1: where the right out of there where they just told
Speaker 1: on themselves. I'd be like those cops are on their
Speaker 1: best behavior on the first forty because it's a TV show.
Speaker 1: Guys in positions like that how much side Cops in
Speaker 1: positions like that are generally the cream of the crops.
Speaker 1: I have no problem with the way those detectives on
Speaker 1: first forty eight do their job. And the detectives on
Speaker 1: this case cops and you guys in the soft uniforms,
Speaker 1: not the ones in the suits and all of that,
Speaker 1: but the ones in that that was a little there's
Speaker 1: here's a great technique that cops do. They'll be sitting
Speaker 1: across from you asking and then they'll do this one
Speaker 1: that come over you Come on, man, you got a family,
Speaker 1: think about your family. They come sit, they come move
Speaker 1: over right next to you. It's all psychological. It's a game,
Speaker 1: you know. But here's the here's the problem that I
Speaker 1: have with something you said. You said they copped to it.
Speaker 1: How can you cop to something that you know nothing about?
Speaker 1: I think I changed the word after I say cop
Speaker 1: to Uh, it was forced or something. You can't cop
Speaker 1: to something you know nothing about. Yeah, correct, But they
Speaker 1: said they admitted to something. They repeated the same the
Speaker 1: stuff that the detectives were saying. But those detectives have
Speaker 1: to be smart enough to say, you know what, this
Speaker 1: guy is actually just repeating what we're just saying. But
Speaker 1: when you're trying to make a case and all of
Speaker 1: that high profile case like that, I can see the
Speaker 1: pressure and they wanted the people. But the good thing
Speaker 1: about it, most people don't know, uh, because what happened was, uh,
Speaker 1: Corey Corey Wise met up with Matt Matthews Rees in
Speaker 1: prison in jail, and that was a good thing because
Speaker 1: he was he was the only one that went to
Speaker 1: adult prison and mattheis Rees was in an adult prison.
Speaker 1: And somehow they convinced the Elmar you know, to tell
Speaker 1: the truth, and they ran his DNA and found out
Speaker 1: that his DNA matched the victims. That's how they were
Speaker 1: not guilty. There should be some accountability though, on those
Speaker 1: detectives and the prosecutor. The prosecutor she catching him, but
Speaker 1: that's nothing. I mean, she already wrote thirty but she
Speaker 1: was told actually wasn't. You can say her whole case
Speaker 1: was alive. But she didn't. She reported, she reported what Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's just like would be to be in a
Speaker 1: position such all the time rejected that case. According to her,
Speaker 1: she didn't know. Of course, she's gonna say she didn't
Speaker 1: know that. She just said, hey, this is what the
Speaker 1: law enforcement gave me. This is what I had to
Speaker 1: deal with because he catching a lot of help work
Speaker 1: with the dean, So I got to investigate more. Why
Speaker 1: she's oh, they all work together together, but they're not going.
Speaker 1: But they don't want their mom lying. They don't. They
Speaker 1: don't generally want that. UM. I think cases like that,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of should be So what makes
Speaker 1: you I don't think the FBI is more better than
Speaker 1: most local comms. I think they got more resource, that's all.
Speaker 1: They just got more time. They don't have as much.
Speaker 1: They don't have much time. They have more time to
Speaker 1: investigate where street cops they have small department. They just
Speaker 1: have to keep working working cases, cases, cases, you know,
Speaker 1: something new happening every day, where the FBI and the
Speaker 1: US Attorney just get a sign on the case and
Speaker 1: they've run with that for two years. So it's the
Speaker 1: only difference. So the homicide, uh, the police officers that
Speaker 1: was on this case, well homicide, right, No, they were
Speaker 1: sex crimes Union, the best of that, you know, big
Speaker 1: big department. Let me read something that the prosecutor of
Speaker 1: the case, Linda Farsting, said recently. She said that the
Speaker 1: TV show depicts me in a fictionalized version of events
Speaker 1: and a grossly and maliciously inaccurate manner. Well, we though
Speaker 1: TV show I say that about Tom, They great, Katie
Speaker 1: has made me and I'm still cool with him because
Speaker 1: but you know what we expect for her to say.
Speaker 1: Um Eva Diverne, the producer of the show, actually says
Speaker 1: she reached out to the prosecutor, the former prosecutor, to
Speaker 1: bring her in on the show to get her side
Speaker 1: of the story. And she said that the prosecutor, Miss
Speaker 1: Linda Farstein, had all of these requests about having creative control,
Speaker 1: being able to tell it the way she wanted to
Speaker 1: tell it, and they said, no, no, no, this is
Speaker 1: our story. This is actually these guys story. We want
Speaker 1: to bring you in too for your input. And she
Speaker 1: didn't want any party to do with the show. Why
Speaker 1: is that, Well, obviously because opinions in the way that
Speaker 1: she was depicted, like like like like like I said earlier,
Speaker 1: where go pick up all black guys, go pick up everybody?
Speaker 1: And then she was like, well I did to tell
Speaker 1: them to go pick up everybody involved in the case.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You know, just like everything.
Speaker 1: That's why you can't look at shows versus documentary. I'd
Speaker 1: rather see the documentary because I know there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a little bit of um, you know, some creative license
Speaker 1: used to to tell the four part series. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: from what I understand, EVA is a stickler for the facts.
Speaker 1: The producer and UM and what these guys are saying,
Speaker 1: and some recent interviews are pretty much you know, accurate,
Speaker 1: meaning what that they can't be trusted or they picked
Speaker 1: ms I'm saying. So they're gonna they're gonna tell there
Speaker 1: they're true. I believe what they're saying now, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean no, I mean, we have no choice because
Speaker 1: it's already been it's factually known the rapist as a
Speaker 1: whole another person, and these five teenagers at the time
Speaker 1: have nothing to do stupid enough. It's the interrogation. It's
Speaker 1: the interrogation tactics that I'm critical of. On first forty eight,
Speaker 1: I have no problem with the way we see those detectives,
Speaker 1: whether it's in um, what cities do they do they St.
Speaker 1: Louis Dallas, I haven't. I don't have any criticism. Those
Speaker 1: are professional homicide detectives. They asked the right questions, they
Speaker 1: put enough pressure on there. What these detectives did in
Speaker 1: this case was like a thousand times a thousand what
Speaker 1: you see on first forty eight. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: No one needs to get beat up in the interrogation room.
Speaker 1: How many people get their ass kicked on first forty eight,
Speaker 1: but how many at the end of pursuits. Now you
Speaker 1: know that helicopter the news helicopters don't have. It's not
Speaker 1: it's not necessary. You don't need to be that someone
Speaker 1: during interrogation with very where the body cam you should
Speaker 1: have every everybody that goes in that room. It should
Speaker 1: be videotaped. How did Jerry gate that person? Even the
Speaker 1: CIA says, um certain interrogations that they've done in the
Speaker 1: past ineffective. If you're water boarders water boarding someone, they're
Speaker 1: gonna say whatever you want to have you ever felt
Speaker 1: what it's like. I actually got water boarder one because
Speaker 1: I wanted to feel those like it is torture. Somebody's
Speaker 1: pouring water on the top of my head and they
Speaker 1: want me to say where when Mohammed is at. I'm
Speaker 1: telling Mohammed is around the corner of the street, up
Speaker 1: the hill, down the stair. So the CIA actually determined
Speaker 1: that water boarding people yielded false information. So you can't
Speaker 1: tell me that aggressive interrogation techniques is going to yield
Speaker 1: false information sometimes too, right, Actually, all right, Reggie's quiet
Speaker 1: right now. But I mean, I think the CIA probably
Speaker 1: knows more about interrogation than any other government body on
Speaker 1: the planets. Yeah, Central Intelligence Agency, the ones that actually
Speaker 1: use water boarding, and a lot of CIA experts say
Speaker 1: it yields false information. So my question is, do you
Speaker 1: understand why an Arab in Saudi Arabia that's being water
Speaker 1: boarded in the basement of a safe house that the
Speaker 1: CIA is running is gonna tell them whatever they want
Speaker 1: to hear. It's the same concept, so the innocent innocent.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about people that got water board We found
Speaker 1: out that most of the people in Guantanamo Bay had
Speaker 1: nothing to do with terrorism, and they were sitting in
Speaker 1: Guantanamo Bay for nothing to do with terrorist at all.
Speaker 1: Most of them, I would say that over sevent them
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with were never linked to any
Speaker 1: terrorist activity. Yeah, they got a few of them, but
Speaker 1: they swept up a whole lot. It's just like what
Speaker 1: this prosecutor said, there's a line like you were mentioned
Speaker 1: and go to Harlem, go to uptown and get every
Speaker 1: black kid and bring them in for questioning. You know,
Speaker 1: that's what That's what the movie depicts. That's what the
Speaker 1: movie depicts. Yeah, she's denying that, you know. Of course
Speaker 1: she's gonna deny. She's gonna deny everything. I mean, she's
Speaker 1: got a lot to lose, she's got her publishing deals,
Speaker 1: she's on a bunch of boards that don't want her
Speaker 1: on there anymore, and there's some sponsorships all right. So
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up one more thing that I
Speaker 1: thought was kind of interesting. Um, I think the article
Speaker 1: was a little misleading, but there's an article that said
Speaker 1: the crypts trademark the marathon continues the trademarking. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I looked it up, and what it is is Nipsey
Speaker 1: Hustle's brother is trademarking the word um ther the phrase
Speaker 1: the marathon continues, but within the trademark it actually has
Speaker 1: the words cripts and bloods in it. So I think
Speaker 1: the media kind of got a misunderstanding of of what
Speaker 1: maybe Nipsey's brother was trying to do if. But it
Speaker 1: also brings up an interesting idea about what gangs can do.
Speaker 1: So James, imagine if you or one of your homeboys decided, Hey,
Speaker 1: let's incorporate or trademark the phrase mob piru. And then
Speaker 1: and let's start encouraging our youth from the neighborhood to
Speaker 1: start creating businesses under the banner mab Piru. Now ma
Speaker 1: Piru is a corporation. And now we got a car
Speaker 1: wash under mab Piru. We got a Hamburger stand under
Speaker 1: mab piru. Because that's really what Nipsey's brothers doing. He's
Speaker 1: doing a T shirt T shirts. It is. And I
Speaker 1: think that all gangs should start moving in this direction.
Speaker 1: In fact, gang members have already been moving in this
Speaker 1: direction for the last years, being more entrepreneurial, investing their
Speaker 1: money buying property. But usually it's elicit money that's generated
Speaker 1: through drugs. Are Yeah, it's usually like drug dealer money
Speaker 1: being poured into legitimate enterprises. But now we can be
Speaker 1: at a point where like like Black Sam, Nipsey's brother,
Speaker 1: he could actually take legitimate money and invested into something
Speaker 1: and just keep flipping, keep flipping, keep flipping, as they
Speaker 1: say on the streets in the drug game. And I'm
Speaker 1: just surprised that more gangs do not become corporations. You
Speaker 1: don't have too many gangs out there that God leaders.
Speaker 1: That's intelligent like that. That that's really on the business
Speaker 1: aspect of it. Not back then you weren't looking at
Speaker 1: it like that. Nowadays you can get your phone and
Speaker 1: google anything and you can come up with something like this.
Speaker 1: Back then, you no one would ever think that's use
Speaker 1: our hood to benefit in a in a in a
Speaker 1: righteous way. I saw the brother from West Side Paru Wacko,
Speaker 1: he's making Paru shirts that's now putting the p on it.
Speaker 1: And now people might look at that as, oh, that's
Speaker 1: that's gang banging, But it's really the culture, right It's
Speaker 1: it's the culture. It's the neighborhood as the community, and
Speaker 1: why not make some shirts and and build a business
Speaker 1: off of it. Whether it says par rou or whatever.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying. If you thought about it years ago,
Speaker 1: just think where you'll be now. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Just like I mean, it's catchy, but none of us
Speaker 1: don't like this. Are are thinking that was business minded?
Speaker 1: Should I say? No, brothers twenty years ago with business minded,
Speaker 1: but it was it was I'm saying, it was more
Speaker 1: about crack cocaine. How do I cut this ups but
Speaker 1: it's taking it's taking that same mentality something else in
Speaker 1: nineteen Now it's totally different. The technology is different. You know,
Speaker 1: we didn't have a phone where we can do all
Speaker 1: this different ship with Now, man, this is this. This
Speaker 1: is a great ideal because a lot of things gonna
Speaker 1: come with this. You know, you do anything that got
Speaker 1: nipsey on it. They putting on the rights to it.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be interesting to see how long this
Speaker 1: this plays out, how long Lauren London and her her
Speaker 1: daughter or her sign. I sat back and uh let
Speaker 1: the family continue to uh on on this patent. It
Speaker 1: says they're gonna create shirts, T shirts, sweaters, beanies, hats, sweatsuits,
Speaker 1: varsity jackets, pants, socks, footwear. I mean every anybody can
Speaker 1: do that for their neighborhood and community. Well he was
Speaker 1: already going to anybody can do that for the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: But there we get together and go to every different
Speaker 1: hood and we put a plan together in Gentlem, this
Speaker 1: is what we can do for your neighborhood. We can
Speaker 1: get shirts, has many, we create everything. We're creative thing
Speaker 1: and give y'all of whatever we make. Games. No, no,
Speaker 1: it's glorifying the neighborhood, the community. It's it's more about
Speaker 1: pride where you grew up, like open up an organization
Speaker 1: where that money can go into that. It helped that
Speaker 1: neighborhood victims is what I'll call it. Gunshot victims. So
Speaker 1: now I know you're from the mob and you're claiming
Speaker 1: the mob, and I'm from Santana Black you when you
Speaker 1: got everybody you think that, you think that wackos shirts,
Speaker 1: whacko from West Side, Piru making those Piru shirts. That's
Speaker 1: a dangerous thing. Yeah, yeah, we're just to be on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because now I know you, I know where you're from.
Speaker 1: I know what everyone already knows where he's from. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about talk about him, But the person that's wearing it,
Speaker 1: I got a pirate. I'm not a Piru. And I
Speaker 1: got one of them shirts. I got the Hoover shirt.
Speaker 1: They got a thing called fixed Side. I got a
Speaker 1: Hoover shirts over there and do gang gang out and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But when when I got a little
Speaker 1: when I'm going to school and got my little fourteen
Speaker 1: fifteen year old, So I bet you won't let yourself
Speaker 1: wearing them that way? You got a point but I'm
Speaker 1: talking about for adults. I'm talking about for adults. But
Speaker 1: then who's gonna visually wanted? I don't know's I mean?
Speaker 1: It is like the Crenshaw, the marathon thing and all
Speaker 1: of that, because it's not doing game members and game.
Speaker 1: I mean I gained territories. I don't mean to say
Speaker 1: members gained territories, meaning you support. It's like the m
Speaker 1: OB sign. Uh, everybody putting on the m ob pinky
Speaker 1: ring and all of that stuff. Now, that would have
Speaker 1: been a great trademark, but the Crenshaw is a gang
Speaker 1: thing though. In fact, let me tell you one of
Speaker 1: the first games. You know. Maybe you'll say, but but
Speaker 1: that's not what Nimpsey was was promoting. He was really
Speaker 1: promoting CRENSHAWL. Slawson. Well that's wrong with sixty script name.
Speaker 1: I mean, but but he would. But we didn't look
Speaker 1: at it, and we looked at it as Crenshaw Boulevard,
Speaker 1: our our Avenue, whichever wanted. Maybe you did, because I
Speaker 1: didn't look at that. I wore the Crunshaw shirt once
Speaker 1: when I was going to interview some five dudes Hoover's.
Speaker 1: When I got to the little shop that they had,
Speaker 1: they asked me, can you take that shirt off? And
Speaker 1: I was like why, They said, because that's neighborhood Chris.
Speaker 1: So they gave me a fix Side Hoover shirt. So
Speaker 1: I literally took the Crunshaw shirt off and put the
Speaker 1: fix Side shirt off that they gave me. So you
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a problem. You just told me a few
Speaker 1: minutes a problem. I mean, wouldn't like that wanta beat
Speaker 1: my ass? And I knew who you were, They knew
Speaker 1: you wouldn't a crunshall. They just just like, I'm sure
Speaker 1: if I had on a Pyreus shirt and I walked
Speaker 1: over into Santana Block neighborhood, they're gonna be like, you
Speaker 1: gotta really wear that over here. They're not gonna be
Speaker 1: my but let my son, your son or somebody like
Speaker 1: that come winning over there. They you're claiming that, huh
Speaker 1: And you over here you got something that that's silly
Speaker 1: like that, And yeah, you're gonna have a problem wearing it.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a problem wearing But I mean, you
Speaker 1: can understand that what you're saying. But I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it's gonna be future guns. Go to the Laker game
Speaker 1: and wait outside. But Piru is a street just like
Speaker 1: Compton is. But I know, I like argument. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: you just like crunch, I got you. Now, I always
Speaker 1: see these Compton hats with the old English right across
Speaker 1: the top. Who makes those hats? Remember the Nano tots
Speaker 1: and everybody start coming out with the DIFP coats and
Speaker 1: all that Beverly Hills. Then they make it first come
Speaker 1: from all that the phone. But yeah, I remember those
Speaker 1: T shirts wasn't big. But what was they called? I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: we did that, but it was really Beverly Hills. I
Speaker 1: think they started. Now, what if someone trademarked Compton and
Speaker 1: put it on hats and shirts and started selling that.
Speaker 1: You think somebody might feel a certain kind of way,
Speaker 1: but they can ain't nobody. I know that the swap
Speaker 1: mean make those hats, Yeah, but I don't think that
Speaker 1: the Koreans that the swap mean trademarked, trademarketing. Shoul Ice
Speaker 1: Cub don't get the credit that he should get for
Speaker 1: the Raiders and the White Sox and then he was
Speaker 1: the first one to start wearing on him and easy
Speaker 1: and in double A because man, then the NFL sall
Speaker 1: hold up and they started trademarking them. Could you imagine
Speaker 1: how much money ice Cube and then Double A and
Speaker 1: all of them lost would have had if they would
Speaker 1: have helped the Raiders or this or went to them
Speaker 1: and say, hey, this is what we're going to create.
Speaker 1: We want to percentage and we're gonna help market your stuff. Man. Man, well,
Speaker 1: I think there's a way that gangs could try to
Speaker 1: incorporate themselves produce product that maybe not as gang related
Speaker 1: as Yeah, the p for pyrou is very obvious. That's
Speaker 1: I mean just to say that if to get games
Speaker 1: to be really on a more positive note, to create
Speaker 1: something that that can go anywhere and everywhere, let's not
Speaker 1: have the game mentality to put it out there like
Speaker 1: that on some gang ship. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The marathon is basically like, you know, there's some good ship.
Speaker 1: We doant some hood ships, so Nigga's gonna buy. But
Speaker 1: I think people all over the world go to the
Speaker 1: website they want a pirous shirt. White folks and Middle
Speaker 1: America want a piroushert. But still everybody ain't. They wasn't
Speaker 1: even trying to sell that crush Shall stuff to people
Speaker 1: in the hood. He was mainly doing it for out
Speaker 1: of towners and people to come and visit the show,
Speaker 1: and and and and mainly most of their sales was
Speaker 1: done what on the internet. Yes, so I think the
Speaker 1: marathon continues. Slogan is it's very neutral. But I love
Speaker 1: all of that. I just man, they must have a
Speaker 1: strong family because the baby mamas are being awfully quiet.
Speaker 1: Well what's your name? Got the baby? I mean she got,
Speaker 1: but there's another baby my mouth there. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they should be more quiet. More the street about this
Speaker 1: generally don't happen. I know I can do it. Well.
Speaker 1: The first baby mama was upset because she lost her
Speaker 1: little court hearing trying to get this custody of Yeah,
Speaker 1: Nipsey's family has the kids. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know what she There's a lot of other don't okay,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't know. I don't know specifics about her.
Speaker 1: All I know is she the judge definitely agreed with
Speaker 1: Nipp's family that you are not getting the kid. You know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But they tried to interview her while
Speaker 1: she was walking out the court and she didn't have
Speaker 1: anything to say. No, she looked pretty good, she looked okay,
Speaker 1: and then um, I saw some photos of her on
Speaker 1: her Instagram page. She looked fine, but I was I
Speaker 1: was told that she went to her Instagram and deleted
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff that made her look bad so
Speaker 1: that maybe she can get her kid back. But she
Speaker 1: didn't get the kid back. I don't know. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: heard another kid. But I heard that the Marathon store
Speaker 1: was back ordered, like thousands and thousands of orders. I
Speaker 1: heard it made like dollars. And since it's depth, at
Speaker 1: one point, everybody any mama trying to get to get
Speaker 1: that major advertisement. He got shoes, he got shows, she
Speaker 1: got everything out there. Well, I think that all these
Speaker 1: different neighborhoods throughout Los Angeles should start thinking more business
Speaker 1: minded and perhaps come up with more neutral terms. But
Speaker 1: also it represents your neighbor like Rosecrans. I saw I
Speaker 1: saw ge Weed from Campanella Park once wearing a Rosecrans shirt.
Speaker 1: You know that doesn't necessarily mean you pirou Rosecrans goes
Speaker 1: through Let's see, Rose Crest can go anywhere. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's cool. But what I'm saying is, man, I just
Speaker 1: gotta just gotta really like think I really don't have
Speaker 1: Santana block Rosecrans kind of hits one side of Santana Block.
Speaker 1: Rose Crans goes straight on up. Yeah mostly, but when
Speaker 1: she said that down though, but Santano Many Alameda or
Speaker 1: Santa Fe or Rose Street, but they're right on the
Speaker 1: south side of the roads. Well, but I don't think
Speaker 1: they represent Rose when you when you say everybody in town?
Speaker 1: But would you think would you say, would you say
Speaker 1: rosecrans is a more neutral term that could be used
Speaker 1: for That's a good point, Like, that's a good one.
Speaker 1: I just I just think, man being a game banger
Speaker 1: and trying to get away and separate yourself from being
Speaker 1: a game banger, you should not think or trying to
Speaker 1: keep the game banging mentality. If you moved on, let's
Speaker 1: move on now, let's be more creative on what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to do and how I want to do it.
Speaker 1: That's the only way you can just truly get away
Speaker 1: from the game banging thing. But did Nipsey have the
Speaker 1: gang banging mentality? Still? Yeah? Yeah, your that will never
Speaker 1: go nowhere. But I took it somewhere else. He didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't. His whole focus was on some hoodship because
Speaker 1: he could have been a big old and h on
Speaker 1: everything he had. But he didn't do it like that.
Speaker 1: He chose something like we just said, Chris Shaw. But
Speaker 1: what did he say every time he greeted you? This
Speaker 1: is neighborhood? N Every greeting was neighborhood, NI and who
Speaker 1: and who. Ain't getting down like that, But I'm not
Speaker 1: with it. But this is who I am. Now, I
Speaker 1: got no problem with it. And and man, I guarantee
Speaker 1: you nobody else had a problem with him saying that.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is just to to get away
Speaker 1: from the game banging mentality and be creative with what
Speaker 1: you're really trying to do and you really want to
Speaker 1: take it somewhere, Let's not think like that. Let's get
Speaker 1: outside of that box and let's go and let's create
Speaker 1: something that I think everybody you want without having the
Speaker 1: second guess of putting it on, of what color it
Speaker 1: is or whatever. It'd be nice. Game bang. It ain't
Speaker 1: gonna be eradicated. Yeah, I don't think gangs are going
Speaker 1: anywhere anytime soon. They've been in America for fifty years.
Speaker 1: They're probably gonna be here. Um for as long as
Speaker 1: society exists, we're gonna have gangs. But we can move
Speaker 1: gangs into a different direction, though, we can push them
Speaker 1: over here where killings drop, conflict drops, assault shop. You're
Speaker 1: never gonna have zero conflicts, zero shooting, zero killings. But
Speaker 1: if you've got more people incorporating thinking about let me
Speaker 1: make these shirts or let me press these um well,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say CDs, that's getting played out, but
Speaker 1: let me work on the music, let me do this,
Speaker 1: let me do that, you're gonna have less people out
Speaker 1: there saying let me go shoot this dude, let me
Speaker 1: go dump on this guy. No, every day, every day
Speaker 1: you got a new blood and you got a new crip.
Speaker 1: But you gotta new something, want to be something everybody
Speaker 1: wants the name at the beginning. If you if you
Speaker 1: stop these kids, these fourteen fifteen year old kids, and
Speaker 1: give them something productive, then you run out of o
Speaker 1: g s. Because if you got these nineteen year old
Speaker 1: cats and you say, okay, the nineteen years old they're
Speaker 1: gonna do this, they should gonna play out. But if
Speaker 1: I'm stopping everything from there on down and teaching them
Speaker 1: and showing them there's a different way out. You don't
Speaker 1: have to be a game banger. You could be this.
Speaker 1: You can be that. You can go to the military.
Speaker 1: You can do this. If we get them kids, then
Speaker 1: you it wee it'll wear itself out. Well you're talking
Speaker 1: about I'm talking about, yeah, teaching our kids, don't. Don't.
Speaker 1: Every black man has a son. Every black man should
Speaker 1: be accountable for his son. I'm proud to be a
Speaker 1: father of a king. Treat your son such as teaching ship.
Speaker 1: I didn't have the privilege of having my father teach
Speaker 1: me how to be bate a hook with a worm.
Speaker 1: I didn't have the privilege of my father on the
Speaker 1: football with me. It takes you somewhere else. I had
Speaker 1: a grandfather though, that taught me good, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But you still take that somewhere else. So
Speaker 1: you need more than conversation. Just because he taught me everything,
Speaker 1: don't mean I'm gonna be everything. So I mean we
Speaker 1: gotta step our game up as father's you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Just because you're at home with him and
Speaker 1: and and you say good morning sun every day, don't
Speaker 1: mean you're being a good father. You gotta teach him.
Speaker 1: You gotta show him. I gotta show you how to
Speaker 1: treat this woman. I gotta show you how to groom yourself.
Speaker 1: I gotta show you how to do this. Beating up
Speaker 1: women don't do nothing but but take away from your
Speaker 1: your your your your manhood. Just I mean, you gotta
Speaker 1: teach him a lot of type of ship, a lot
Speaker 1: of ship. Well, I agree, in an ideal world, all
Speaker 1: of that's definitely for the betterment of a kid. Well,
Speaker 1: if daddy, if if, if, if fathers step up from
Speaker 1: day one, if if, if they step up, your your
Speaker 1: child got a better chance. And not just going out
Speaker 1: there and saying because there's so much out here to
Speaker 1: show your son, this is what happens if you want
Speaker 1: to take this round. It's so much out there. So
Speaker 1: be be a teacher to your your your child. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Be be a teacher as well
Speaker 1: as your father and your son to get it your
Speaker 1: son to understand we didn't have that. But all you
Speaker 1: have to do is do it now. And and man,
Speaker 1: you save your kids. Well, you know, we should definitely
Speaker 1: talk about that topic next week and more in depth
Speaker 1: about the role moms have and the role that that
Speaker 1: men have in terms of raising our kids. In Los Angeles, Compton,
Speaker 1: Long Beach, Watts and in these streets because a lot
Speaker 1: of it has to do with family, why these guys
Speaker 1: go on the streets. And then also, UM, I want
Speaker 1: everybody to watch this show. It's four episode. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you got four. Um it's four episodes, and
Speaker 1: maybe we can talk specifically about I would actually recommend
Speaker 1: listening to some interviews of these guys too, so you
Speaker 1: can get some some factual stuff, because I don't know
Speaker 1: how accurate the show is, but the show is when
Speaker 1: they see us for four episodes on Netflix, and um,
Speaker 1: I just watched the one episode and I was just
Speaker 1: completely appalled at the interrogation techniques that these detectives were using.
Speaker 1: But um, we're gonna wrap it up right there now.
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to another episode of The Gangster Chronicles,
Speaker 1: and uh, stay tuned for another great episode next week.
Speaker 1: Thanks for watching. Good morning, goodnight, good evening, wherever you
Speaker 1: may be really listening from Bye Bye out of here.